IRC log for #maemo on 20160108

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00:18.16jonwilhi
00:18.41jonwilIf you guys see less of me for a while, its because I am knee deep in Fallout 4 :P
00:20.23Wizzup:)
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00:50.44jonwilToo bad the companion phone apps dont work on a N900 :P
00:52.56svetlanajonwil, you bastard! you getting addicted to that spying proprietary element of control over you! ;)
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01:49.19OksanaaAbout inability to go past hildon-welcome if touchscreen is out of service: there is nifty file /etc/X11/Xsession.post/04hildon-welcome-wait which speaks of sleeping while hildon-welcome is not passed
01:49.52OksanaaIf this script is made a tad more complicated, it could bypass hildon-welcome?
01:51.41jonwilhildon-welcome is what?
01:51.50jonwilIsn't that the thing that displays the hands animation?
01:52.47jonwilif you mean the thing that sets the clock etc, thats osso-startup-wizard I believe
01:53.13OksanaaAh, thank you. Confused them...
01:54.35OksanaaStill, sleep 1 while hildon-welcome is here is funny...
01:55.52kerioi think i have neither of those installed
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02:00.05OksanaaWhy does osso-startup-wizard care for SIM state?!..
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02:25.09jonwilThe reason it cares is because if the modem/network/SIM/etc are working, it will use that to get the current date/time from the cellular network
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03:36.53DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: on https://github.com/MerlijnWajer/uinput-mapper/blob/master/README.rst at least when watching it in browser there's a typo in the cmdline at bottom. \ missing before 1
03:37.41DocScrutinizer05Wizzup:  sed -r 's/[^ ]+ +([^ ]+).*/"1" : 1,/'      should be      sed -r 's/[^ ]+ +([^ ]+).*/"1" : \1,/'
03:38.20DocScrutinizer05and I'm not even convinced the "1" is correct
03:44.37DocScrutinizer05jonwil: alas this generally fails for me, the time from modem isn't available in time.
03:47.14OksanaYes, same for me. I either put it manually, or wait for startup to go through with wrong time, and then it auto-sets from cellular (unless it forgot the setting for auto-time, just like it sometimes forgets setting for 12-vs-24)
03:48.02OksanaFixing this functionality would be _great_ . It might or not be related to backup-battery having enough power for the modem?
03:48.47OksanaScratch that, loss-or-not of data (such as time, date, language, location) from memory should not affect modem, right?
03:50.45OksanaIt's like, when startup shows correct time, I cannot be sure whether it's because it got it from modem or because it remembered it in memory. But when it does not show correct time, it's obvious that it does not manage to get time from modem.
03:58.39DocScrutinizer05Oksana: bupbat never powers modem
03:59.41DocScrutinizer05bupbat only powers RTC in SoC's companion chip TWL4030 aka GAIA, plus a few byte of CMOS-RAM non-volatile memory
04:00.14Oksana... but it should not affect the problem since startup wizard tries to reach modem when mainbattery is already here. Unless startup modem does not actually know how to wake up modem, or to wait for connection to towers to be established
04:00.59DocScrutinizer05it takes time to get time from network
04:01.29OksanaSo... Would it get correct time if startup-wizard was left to rest for a while?
04:01.47DocScrutinizer05for establishing connection as you said, and also for waiting for next timestamp telegram sent from BTS
04:01.52OksanaIf yes, then neat, it just needs a progress bar ;-)
04:01.53DocScrutinizer05yes
04:02.39DocScrutinizer05actually a "sleep 15" in the initscript which launches startup wizard should already do
04:03.01DocScrutinizer05unless startup wizard also powers up modem
04:03.10OksanaYes, that's the question
04:03.12DocScrutinizer05but I think that's done by CSD
04:03.41DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall some users completely disabled annoying startup wizard
04:03.52DocScrutinizer05and their modem still worked ;-)
04:04.24OksanaIt's not annoying by itself, it's annoying when it stays on for a long time, preventing communication (like receiving calls)
04:04.37DocScrutinizer05yep
04:04.49OksanaIt could, for example, auto-proceed after successfully receiving time from modem?
04:05.06DocScrutinizer05do you happen to know off top of your head where startup wizard gets invoked?
04:06.01DocScrutinizer05AIUI, it *does* auto-proceed when RTC-time is correct on invokation
04:06.12OksanaNay. There is /usr/bin/osso-startup-wizard, /usr/bin/osso-startup-wizard.launch, and /usr/bin/osso_startup_wizard/state , or something
04:06.30DocScrutinizer05yeah, but who calls that?
04:07.11DocScrutinizer05a grep will tell
04:07.33OksanaRTC-time can be correct on invocation only if battery held the data intact. It would be nice if it also auto-continued if RTC-time is off, after time gets corrected by modem
04:08.46OksanaFor example, right now, osso-startup-wizard showed itself... with correct time. Does it mean that it got it from modem, and didn't auto-proceed without user's approval because RTC-clock was off before modem corrected it?
04:09.25DocScrutinizer05hmmphh  http://paste.opensuse.org/10325924
04:10.16OksanaThere is also Xsession.d/30
04:10.44DocScrutinizer05Oksana: no, time in RTC can also be correct when modem been fast enough (or had enough time) so it was able to set correct time in system at the moment startup-wizard gets invoked
04:11.14OksanaBut then, it would have auto-proceeded, instead of waiting for user's "Save" button?
04:12.01DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure about startupwizard actually automatically proceeding when time is correct
04:12.33OksanaHn...
04:12.44DocScrutinizer05glares at >> /etc/osso-rfs-scripts/osso-startup-wizard-rfs.sh:rm -f /var/lib/osso-startup-wizard/osso_startup_wizard_state <<
04:13.52DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty sure this semaphore file is related to whether or not startup-wizard continues or blocks boot
04:16.16Oksanaosso-startup-wizard gets started in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso-startup-wizard or something
04:18.42OksanaCollected information to decide whether to show GUI: FirstTimeRun, DateTimeUnset, SIMpresent, CurrentSimId, ChangedSettings, ValidPin, SettingsChangedBefore, SimSeenBefore, LastValidSimId, ChangedWithoutSimBefore... It's complicated
04:20.06OksanaThere is a possibility in osso-startup-wizard to exit if there is no need for it, but what is exactly the equation for auto-proceeding?
04:22.00DocScrutinizer05funny enough my system has no /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard
04:22.12OksanaIt's from .launch file, by the way
04:22.26OksanaIs it  /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso-startup-wizard ?
04:22.39OksanaNokia confuses _ and - , sometimes
04:22.51OksanaAnd I do not care to remember which one is where
04:23.04DocScrutinizer05my system has no /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30*
04:23.51OksanaDo you have osso-startup-wizard installed? What does dpkg -L say?
04:24.20OksanaAnd yes, I do have  /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard , short-ish as it is
04:27.20DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/28699642
04:28.30OksanaBy the way, .launch file recognises SIM states possible as Unknown, Ok, PIN requires, SIM removed, SIM permanently blocked, SIMless Offline, PUK required, SIMlock not okay, SIM not ready (let's wait for it), SIMlock initializing, or unknown
04:29.09DocScrutinizer05IroN900:/home/user# locate Xsession.d/30
04:29.10DocScrutinizer05locate: Warnung: Die Datenbank "/var/cache/locate/locatedb" ist älter als 8 Tage (Das Alter ist 135,8 Tage).
04:29.12DocScrutinizer05/media/mmc1p2/etc/X11/Xsession.d/30xTs_Calibrate
04:29.13DocScrutinizer05/media/mmc1p2/N900-1-archive/etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard
04:29.44OksanaHeh, in archive...
04:30.08OksanaRenamed to prevent wizard from showing up?
04:30.24DocScrutinizer05err, I think it still shows up
04:30.42DocScrutinizer05but maybe I actually nuked it, lemme try
04:31.09DocScrutinizer05a pity after only 20 days of uptime
04:32.04OksanaOuch... :-) Funny name does not nuke it? Wizard states are: settings-changed, SIM-seen, changed-without-pin? I am just guessing from binary file opened with vim
04:33.11DocScrutinizer05I usually do the 'funny name' thing when I wanna get rid of files
04:33.51DocScrutinizer05let's see, I hope it was long enough with no batt
04:33.55OksanaWhy does binary.launch file mention scratchbox? Maybe, it considered 30 to be more important than the filenametail?
04:35.16DocScrutinizer05hmm, dunno, either it was not long enough or this device has excellent bupbat or I actually did remove the 30 file
04:36.02DocScrutinizer05anyway time is correct
04:36.17OksanaOokay... Just don't be surprised when it boots up with wrong language and-or location ;-)
04:36.32DocScrutinizer05and that's probably why I removed that 30* file
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04:37.05DocScrutinizer05why would it boot with wrong location or lang when I previously set it correctly?
04:37.39OksanaTime becomes not correct only if it forgets the time (bad bupbat) _and_ it forgets the setting for auto-updating the time from modem (which rarely ever happens, but it does)
04:37.46DocScrutinizer05I'm however not surprised it booted with incorrect time after batt change in La Gomera
04:37.51DocScrutinizer05;-P
04:38.35OksanaWell, I haven't seen it for a long time, but I think that it can forget language-and-or-location because of bad bupbat and-or bad shutdown
04:39.21DocScrutinizer05no, time becomes not correct after each batt removal on dead-bupbat device, until the correct time gets fetched from cellular network. Which works great in DE-telefonica network, but obviously not so good in La Gomera
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04:40.04DocScrutinizer05no, never seen it forgetting lang or (timezone)location
04:40.49DocScrutinizer05timezone otoh is supposed to get auto-updated on roaming - if the cellular network provides all the needed data correctly
04:41.03OksanaI know, I just mean that sometimes I have seen the device forgetting both auto-update-from-modem-setting and 12-vs-24 setting. Not so sure about language-and-or-location, it is not that obvious (English-USA vs English-UK)
04:41.29DocScrutinizer05never happened to me so far
04:41.54DocScrutinizer05but then I almost never shutdown hard
04:42.27Oksanawinces - having "Recharge battery" shutdown is not rare for me
04:42.48DocScrutinizer05well, that's a graceful shutdown
04:43.43OksanaWell, I also have moments when GUI freezes, and the only way to do anything is to shut-down it with power button. Is it graceful, too?
04:43.55DocScrutinizer05I may note that I'm not running the BME-replacements. All stock on my system
04:44.17DocScrutinizer05yes, that should also be almost graceful
04:44.58OksanaBecause I do not have cases (well, haven't had them for a very long time) when I would have to take the battery out without shutting down first
04:45.20OksanaTo be fair, LED does not work, so taking battery out is always case of wait-and-guess
04:45.32DocScrutinizer05well, when startup-wizard never runs, those config files never are opened in write-mode and thus no buffers may get lost during hard shutdown ;-)
04:46.47DocScrutinizer05oh that's a pity
04:47.18OksanaI should just replace flex-ribbon, front-camera doesn't work either
04:47.27DocScrutinizer05:-/
04:48.00DocScrutinizer05for "wait and guess" a count up to 40 is not unreasonable
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04:58.02DocScrutinizer05btw /etc/osso-cud-scripts/ seem to be CleanUpDevice
04:58.32DocScrutinizer05lemme guess - rfs then means ResetFactoryState
04:59.05DocScrutinizer05as in /etc/osso-rfs-scripts/
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05:00.12DocScrutinizer05rtcom-eventlogger-clean.sh :-))
05:00.39DocScrutinizer05now after 5 years the *official* method to handle bloated eventlog-db
05:02.45DocScrutinizer05:-)) http://paste.opensuse.org/26394682 :-))
05:02.52OksanaHmm, wouldn't cleaning eventlog remove all SMS or something?
05:03.00DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly
05:03.16DocScrutinizer05all SMS and all call-log
05:03.18freemangordon~rescueos
05:03.19infoboti guess rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
05:03.20Oksanais rather attached even to such useless things
05:04.56OksanaIt's a case of "my cellular provider knows when I send and receive SMS, why shouldn't I know it, too?" Somewhat similar to lifelogging concept
05:08.57DocScrutinizer05well, once your $HOME/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db grows to several MB size, you really want to backup it and then run /etc/osso-cud-scripts/rtcom-eventlogger-clean.sh
05:10.47OksanaDoes the Conversations become too sluggish?
05:12.48DocScrutinizer05everything comes to a grinding halt when an inbound call pulls in the complete 30MB el-v1.db into RAM cache
05:14.06DocScrutinizer05it's a rdbms file, and you know how those are handled, right?
05:14.34OksanaHrm, wouldn't it be a question of separating database into monthly chunks-files, and only handling one or two files at a time?
05:16.57OksanaIt's not like Photos doesn't have an option already to display images grouped by months, so it would fit the them
05:17.01Oksanatheme*
05:20.18OksanaOr, just have separate databases for separate contacts. Like, when you want to add something to database, you already know the phone-number-or-whatever, and you can pull up appropriate database. But, number of months in a lifetime is likely larger than number of contacts, and the spread is more uniform, so it would make more sense to go with months, as long as you know time correctly
05:23.40DocScrutinizer05Oksana: you noticed that missed calls adds the number of not yet seen missed calls from same number and lists them only once, with a integer showing how many calls you missed? This will need the db crawling through all records, even when they are separated into many files. Also a rdbms doesn't work like "let's chunk it up into files"
05:24.41OksanaIn fact, most parts of the system would not notice if they were fed only last-month part of database. Like, user would not need to know about calls missed previous month, or the month before that. But, user would need a file-defensive script for moving files around when the next month comes.
05:25.33DocScrutinizer05anyway rtcom-call-ui rtcom-messaging-ui osso-addressbook all three access this el-v1.db and it seems to me we can't change those three programs easily
05:26.45OksanaBut, scrolling down the conversations, and into earlier messages (be it in main-list or in separate-conversation) would be tricky. And calling up communication history with a contact. And yes, all these programs are not easily changable.
05:38.35DocScrutinizer05should actually clean out his el-v1.db - it's again 1.3MB
05:40.24DocScrutinizer05also when you clean resp delete the el-v1.db, don't forget to again add the stored procedures to calculate call duration
05:41.33DocScrutinizer05glares at recaller, which doesn't record SIP
05:45.01OksanaWhat about orecchiette? Does it record SIP?
05:45.24OksanaAlbeit, it has to have its GUI started up, to be able to auto-record calls
06:15.24DocScrutinizer05I'm sure patching recaller would be rather easy. The author simply didn't think of SIP when defining the dbus messages to listen for
06:16.43DocScrutinizer05actually _I_ wouldn't listen for the call messages but for the audio policy changes
06:17.21DocScrutinizer05well, you want to listen for the call messages anyway, for the telefone numbers
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07:37.18DocScrutinizer05KDE custom shortcut, trigger: "Search" (((searchkey on my mouse)))  Action: Command/URL:  /usr/bin/kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing "https://ixquick.com/do/metasearch.pl?query=`qdbus org.kde.klipper /klipper getClipboardContents`"
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08:21.55KotCzarnytechporn: http://i.imgur.com/UOv9RUD.gif?_You_guys_clearly_aren__039_t_fucking_appreciating_all_this_shit.
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09:01.39WizzupDocScrutinizer05: you're right, let me look at that...
09:09.57DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: I get a list like http://paste.opensuse.org/6742143 even with the fixed \
09:10.06DocScrutinizer05is this how it's supposed to look?
09:11.18Wizzupno
09:11.25DocScrutinizer05thought as much :-)
09:11.44Wizzuphttp://sprunge.us/RHSC
09:12.26DocScrutinizer05yeah, gathered that. And I suspect the first part should be a "\2" maybe? instead of the "1"
09:12.59DocScrutinizer05lemme try if I can fix it by guessing
09:14.31DocScrutinizer05actually nope, \1 needs to be \2
09:14.46Wizzupwhat gcc version do you have
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09:16.41Wizzupit works for me, oddly enough
09:17.50DocScrutinizer05sed -r 's/[^ ]+ +([^ ]+)(.*)/"\1" : \2,/'  ?
09:19.03DocScrutinizer05after sed it looks like http://paste.opensuse.org/71983028
09:20.55DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/96477214  is the result of      gcc -E -dM /usr/include/linux/input.h | egrep ' (EV|SYN|KEY|BTN|REL|ABS|MSC|LED|SND|REP|SW)_[A-Za-z0-9_]+' | ( echo "#include <linux/input.h>" ; echo "input_constants_dict = {" ; sed -r 's/[^ ]+ +([^ ]+)(.*)/"\1" : \2,/' ; echo "}" ) | gcc -E -o /dev/stdout - | grep 'input_constants_dict = {' -A 100000 > uinputmapper/uinput_gen.py jr@saturn:~> less uinputmapper/uinput_gen.py
09:21.34DocScrutinizer05does this look ok-ish to you?
09:22.28DocScrutinizer05well, it's the head -n 46
09:22.45WizzupYeah, that looks good
09:22.48WizzupI think :)
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09:24.07DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/75886370 full
09:25.02DocScrutinizer05cmd: http://paste.opensuse.org/98031835
09:25.16DocScrutinizer05don't ask me what the second gcc does
09:25.33DocScrutinizer05I fixed the whole thing by mere guessing
09:26.03Wizzupok - I would like to work on it more now, but must dash to work - back later :)
09:26.11DocScrutinizer05:-)
09:26.33DocScrutinizer05I'll pester you how to actually install that thing, then
09:26.33MaxdamantusIt presumably expands the macro labels that aren't inside string literals.
09:31.40Maxdamantusgcc -E -dM /usr/include/linux/input.h | sed 's/^.*\(\(EV\|SYN\|KEY\|BTN\|REL\|ABS\|MSC\|LED\|SND\|REP\|SW\)_[A-Za-z0-9_]\+\).*$/"\1": \1/te; d; :e' | gcc -E -o - -
09:32.57DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/19514918
09:35.01Maxdamantusgcc -E -dM /usr/include/linux/input.h | (echo '#include <linux/input.h>' && sed 's/^.*\(\(EV\|SYN\|KEY\|BTN\|REL\|ABS\|MSC\|LED\|SND\|REP\|SW\)_[A-Za-z0-9_]\+\).*$/"\1": \1/te; d; :e') | gcc -E -o - -
09:35.28MaxdamantusMeh.
09:35.43MaxdamantusSo that's what the final grep is for.
09:38.52MaxdamantusMissed a semicolon too, before the `te`
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12:24.31stevenmanyone know what SIP User Agent that n900/maemo uses (as seen from a sip server) ?
12:25.03stevenmI know Symbian devices would use things like 'Nokia RM-244 400.34.0.11' - but with n900 being linux I'm not sure
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12:27.49stevenmhmm i think it mightbe Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.5.18.1
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13:11.14bencohwould make sense since it uses telepathy
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15:17.57DocScrutinizer05stevenm: yep
15:18.03DocScrutinizer05sth like that
15:18.11stevenmsth!?
15:18.17stevenmoh something
15:19.04stevenmcan it be changed?  the platform i'm trying to connect to checks useragents and allows s60 devices though - but wouldn't allow that through
15:19.05DocScrutinizer05Telepathy-SofiaSIP
15:19.31DocScrutinizer05duh, it checks the type of client?
15:19.36stevenmyup
15:20.00DocScrutinizer05I'm afraid this string is prolly hardcoded into the SIP lib
15:20.27DocScrutinizer05which means you can change it with a hexeditor
15:20.32Sicelowhy would they do that by the way?
15:20.53stevenmSicelo, you mean 'why have they done that by the way?'
15:20.56DocScrutinizer05do what? check client name?
15:21.02stevenmbecause they're BT and they're shit
15:21.16Sicelowhat's BT?
15:21.21stevenmhttps://www.btwholesale.com/pages/static/products-services/ip-voice-services.htm
15:21.45stevenmtheir SBC checks user agents so only approved devices which they've checked for compatibility can connect
15:21.48Siceloso are you sure only S60?
15:21.51Sicelohmm
15:22.14stevenmno lots of others too - but I have an asterisk server I managed to connect (which I can change user agents on) so I can test which user agents get past and register... and which don't
15:22.18stevenms60 devices are approved anyway
15:23.26Siceloi just wonder if the N900 is not failing something else (not necessarily UA).. for example, N900 can't connect to Ekiga servers
15:23.49stevenmwho said I'd even tried it?
15:24.24stevenmif the useragent is Telepathy-SofiaSIP then then I've tried that on my test asterisk install and it failed - where as a Nokia RM-?? user agent works
15:24.38Sicelook
15:25.13stevenmdon't worry about it anyway - lots of stuff doesn't work with their crappy platform
15:25.42stevenmthats why i've got asterisk in the first place to act as a proxy... although i'd much rather use kamailio but i'm not sure how to yet
15:31.40DocScrutinizer05Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.2  in /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip
15:41.39DocScrutinizer05a ~>     cp /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip_BACKUP; sed -i s#Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.2#S60                     # /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip   ;#      should do
15:48.14DocScrutinizer05though it seems you have an old version 0.5.18.1, so you should find the string by yourself (strings /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip|grep SofiaSIP) and make sure you replace it by exactly same number of chars via sed
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21:14.59Sicelohahaha!!
21:15.22Sicelogot OWA access via own method
21:15.58SiceloI'll close the ticket with IT Dept.
21:17.24Sicelohttps://github.com/iSECPartners/jailbreak helped .. to export a non-exportable cert. N900 happily accepted it
21:20.57kerio?
21:27.15Sicelofor context, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2015-12-21.log.html#t2015-12-21T10:43:02
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