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| 08:22.58 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I meant that the persons in this channel seem to be both intelligent and to have a good sense of humour. |
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| 10:53.21 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 12:30.14 | jonwil | hi |
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| 13:58.59 | Luke-Jr | can Maemo emulate a USB CD drive? |
| 14:06.17 | Oksanaa | Would be nice |
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| 17:20.33 | Wizzup | Luke-Jr: emulate how? usb gadget? |
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| 17:38.54 | Pali | Luke-Jr: Linux kernel does not have support for emulating CD drivers |
| 17:39.32 | Pali | so there is no way to create CD rom device in /dev/ |
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| 18:11.34 | kerio | D: |
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| 18:39.04 | brolin_empey | Luke-Jr: You can use a physical/real USB device that emulates a USB ODD, such as the Startech S2510BU3ISO . |
| 18:57.02 | freemangordon | chem|st: it is not your account only to be suspended :). And I bet it is not because you've pissed of enough people. Mine was suspended too, incl developer account. Maybe it is time to close my account on FB. Anyway I am prepering for this for the last 2 or 3 years |
| 18:57.45 | bencoh | I thought you already dropped that |
| 18:57.50 | bencoh | had* |
| 18:58.16 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 18:58.42 | bencoh | the only downside of not having a fb plugin (and no active fb plugin dev) is that I suspect a lot of people might move away from n900 because of that |
| 18:59.00 | bencoh | same goes for whatsapp if maemo didn't have yappari |
| 19:00.25 | freemangordon | well, I am really pissed off, FB closed my account for no particular reason and with no explanation. I really can't continue to support such a behaviour. |
| 19:00.40 | bencoh | ah |
| 19:00.54 | KotCzarny | lol2 |
| 19:01.22 | freemangordon | "You're restricted from creating apps indefinitely." |
| 19:01.35 | KotCzarny | maybe some app went frenzy |
| 19:02.00 | bencoh | freemangordon: oh, so you're only prevented from developing but you can still access fb? |
| 19:02.06 | bencoh | they're just plain stupid ... |
| 19:02.07 | freemangordon | the only app I am developer of in n900 app |
| 19:02.14 | freemangordon | *is |
| 19:02.33 | KotCzarny | maybe you did something wrong (ie. not using some testing account) |
| 19:02.50 | freemangordon | see, I guess they just screwed it, but this is not an excuse for removing my access to all my applications |
| 19:03.00 | freemangordon | all == 1 |
| 19:03.17 | KotCzarny | maybe you were accidentally creating it as a new one |
| 19:03.26 | KotCzarny | and thought that you were just updating |
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| 19:03.45 | freemangordon | I dodn;t touch it for months |
| 19:03.50 | freemangordon | *didn't |
| 19:03.54 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 19:04.07 | KotCzarny | then as i said, maybe your app was misbehaving somehow? |
| 19:04.13 | freemangordon | also, I *can* log to developers.facebook.com |
| 19:04.25 | freemangordon | adnc *can* create a new application |
| 19:04.31 | freemangordon | *and |
| 19:04.46 | freemangordon | but n900 application is not listed under "my apps" |
| 19:05.45 | bencoh | maybe they just disabled/"banned" the app (because they dont like it, or think maemo is a dead platform) |
| 19:05.57 | bencoh | (it's still stupid and silly, but ...) |
| 19:06.13 | brolin_empey | Facebook = Faecesbook. |
| 19:06.18 | freemangordon | doesn;t make sense, as my account was blocked as well |
| 19:06.54 | freemangordon | also, it seems they upgraded something, as developers.facebook.com ahs a new face, compared to last time I visited it |
| 19:07.04 | freemangordon | upgraded == broke |
| 19:09.12 | KotCzarny | as i said, something changed in the api, app/developer missed it, chaos ensued |
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| 19:10.40 | KotCzarny | s/api/app development process/ |
| 19:12.18 | freemangordon | usually, it is supposed to send a warning or something, before blocking/suspending accounts |
| 19:12.46 | freemangordon | if the change that will result in a block is on your side |
| 19:12.48 | freemangordon | however |
| 19:13.56 | bencoh | freemangordon: account is suspended but you can access their dev site? |
| 19:14.05 | bencoh | "funny" |
| 19:15.33 | freemangordon | yes :) |
| 19:16.05 | freemangordon | well, I can log in, but can;t create application and can't access already created applications :) |
| 19:16.38 | KotCzarny | emulating cd: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2196707 |
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| 19:28.52 | chem|st | freemangordon: that is what I thought, I guess they killed all Maemo related accounts |
| 19:29.00 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 19:29.16 | KotCzarny | conspiracy? |
| 19:29.25 | KotCzarny | or just deprecated api? |
| 19:29.32 | freemangordon | chem|st: but why they should do that? |
| 19:29.50 | KotCzarny | (conspiracy intensifies) |
| 19:29.51 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: no, API is not deprecated, it was migrated to newer version |
| 19:30.10 | KotCzarny | have you tried asking THEM? |
| 19:30.17 | freemangordon | ask them WHERE? |
| 19:30.26 | chem|st | using some other persons words: some Hi-Potential smartass is trying to get attention by hurting his own company! Time to announce this on the Maemo Pages |
| 19:30.37 | Wizzup | Uhm |
| 19:30.42 | chem|st | freemangordon: would you mind to post this to the thread on TMO |
| 19:30.44 | Wizzup | Wasn't facebook going to deprecate some of their APIs a long time ago? |
| 19:30.59 | Wizzup | e.g. XMPP/Jabber? |
| 19:31.02 | freemangordon | Wizzup: were deprecated about an year ago |
| 19:31.49 | freemangordon | xmpp stopped working about 2 weeks ago. I can;t believe my n900 lasts almost 2 full days without a charge with fb xmpp account removed :) |
| 19:31.59 | KotCzarny | https://developers.facebook.com/bugs/ |
| 19:32.01 | KotCzarny | maybe there? |
| 19:32.59 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: I reported a problem to FB support on 4th of April 2015, all I got was "Thanks for reporting" |
| 19:33.34 | KotCzarny | treat them as chinese, ask until someone responds what you want to hear |
| 19:33.47 | freemangordon | chem|st: post what? that my account was suspended and I am restricted from created applications? |
| 19:34.29 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: no, I won;t, I can live happily without FB, just downloaded all of my info there, will close my account in a couple of days |
| 19:34.59 | KotCzarny | write a saucy goodbye and dont close it so it will be in the google too |
| 19:35.23 | KotCzarny | what happens to closed accounts? are they reachable? |
| 19:35.23 | freemangordon | who cares, /me not |
| 19:35.29 | freemangordon | no idea |
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| 19:43.05 | chem|st | freemangordon: wrote something to the Maemo FB site |
| 19:44.53 | chem|st | freemangordon: I cannot get into the app center for good atm |
| 19:45.43 | freemangordon | posted |
| 19:45.58 | freemangordon | app center? in the private account? |
| 19:46.51 | freemangordon | chem|st: because I can access app center in my private account, but cannot access n900 application with my dev account and cannot create a new application |
| 19:47.05 | bencoh | maemo fb site? wow, didn't know we had that (and had control over it) |
| 19:47.50 | freemangordon | I guess "fb page" is the correct term |
| 19:48.11 | bencoh | oh, and ... fmg: toldya (about xmpp eating all your battery ;) |
| 19:48.36 | freemangordon | yeah, you were right |
| 19:49.13 | bencoh | n900's just great when you remove polling stuff |
| 19:49.25 | KotCzarny | https://www.facebook.com/Maemo-7855690587/ |
| 19:49.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:50.36 | bencoh | not sure the abrasive post is what we want, but maybe we just no longer care about fb anymore |
| 19:50.48 | bencoh | (I for myself dont, but maybe some people still do) |
| 19:50.58 | KotCzarny | i never used fb |
| 19:51.14 | bencoh | me neither |
| 19:51.22 | KotCzarny | my personal fb page is only made for spam/freebies purposes |
| 19:51.30 | Wizzup | has no fb either |
| 20:07.29 | chem|st | freemangordon: yeah I can open app center but my apps is empty |
| 20:08.23 | Sicelo | xmpp doesn't trouble me as far as batteyr :/ |
| 20:12.56 | Sicelo | chem|st: which N900 apps were you managing? |
| 20:14.23 | chem|st | Sicelo: ALL of them :) |
| 20:14.31 | KotCzarny | all 1? |
| 20:14.59 | chem|st | Sicelo: I was the only one from board available with a FB account |
| 20:15.17 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 20:15.20 | chem|st | I do nothing, know nothing |
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| 20:18.30 | Sicelo | :) |
| 20:18.52 | Sicelo | the sharing plugin .. we shouldn't have API change on there, should we? |
| 20:19.41 | KotCzarny | can we assume that anything fb related stops working on n900? |
| 20:20.13 | Sicelo | i know it needed to be passed via review proces (which i had promised to do) ... is t still worth it? freemangordon? |
| 20:23.25 | freemangordon | Sicelo: without admin access we can't add you as a dev to do the review |
| 20:27.27 | Sicelo | yeah. hm. |
| 20:32.46 | chem|st | Sicelo: you see the crux? |
| 20:33.35 | chem|st | Sicelo: befriend me on fb and I'll add you as soon as we get there again |
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| 20:34.07 | freemangordon | chem|st: you think your dev access will be restored? |
| 20:34.25 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Not if you include Facebook Web sites accessed in a Web browser. Strictly speaking, the Nokia N900 is a model of computer that can run multiple operating systems in addition to Maemo. You can say that an âN900 properâ runs Maemo but not all N900 run Maemo. Maemo and Nokia Internet Tablet is analogous to Mac OS proper or Mac OS X and Apple Macintosh or Appleâs pre-iOS iPod OS and pre-iPod-Touch iPod. I had an Apple iPod 4G (only because I |
| 20:34.25 | brolin_empey | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.35 | Sicelo | chem|st: who are you on FB? |
| 20:36.01 | chem|st | freemangordon: I have friends that can write in proper newspapers small articles about how facebook restricts foss communities from accessing |
| 20:36.07 | chem|st | Sicelo: Ruediger |
| 20:36.30 | Sicelo | looking for you right away |
| 20:36.31 | KotCzarny | brolin: thing is that we still dont have many alternatives (that retain phone part), and without phone part there are superior linux devices available |
| 20:36.37 | freemangordon | chem|st: ah, yeah :) |
| 20:37.06 | bencoh | KotCzarny: not many with this form-factor though |
| 20:37.21 | bencoh | (cant' think of any actually) |
| 20:37.44 | freemangordon | me is gonna be on the tv, yeah :D:D:D |
| 20:37.59 | stryngs | Anyone from Denmark here? |
| 20:38.22 | chem|st | Jolla should bundle with PSION and release a MX6 with SFOS and cell-modem^^ |
| 20:38.23 | KotCzarny | bencoh, grab allwinner board, add battery and screen, poof! done. |
| 20:38.34 | Sicelo | hmmp my gmail .. keeps saying messages not available on server .. in modest. :/ |
| 20:38.41 | bencoh | KotCzarny: what about battery life? :p |
| 20:38.45 | freemangordon | Sicelo: install cssu |
| 20:38.54 | Sicelo | i'm on thumb :) |
| 20:38.55 | bencoh | ad keyboard, ergonomy... nah, seriously now :p |
| 20:38.57 | chem|st | KotCzarny: on seeedstudio have gsm developerboards popped up before xmas |
| 20:39.09 | KotCzarny | bencoh: you can use any battery you like. 8x 18650? ;) |
| 20:39.16 | bencoh | KotCzarny: *meh* :) |
| 20:39.16 | chem|st | you can actually build your own (limited) phone |
| 20:39.19 | Sicelo | just started this evening ... will check tomorrow.. am not home |
| 20:39.21 | freemangordon | Sicelo: login from desktop and see what has google to say about it |
| 20:39.22 | bencoh | KotCzarny: yo know what I meant |
| 20:39.56 | chem|st | stryngs: what does it matter? |
| 20:39.59 | freemangordon | Sicelo: aah, they restrict access from unknown ips |
| 20:40.03 | KotCzarny | bencoh, yeah, it eats plenty in idle (~600-700mA @ 4V) |
| 20:40.14 | stryngs | chem|st: Trying to find someone, from there, so they can make a phone call |
| 20:40.18 | freemangordon | Sicelo: try to open gmail from microb |
| 20:40.29 | chem|st | stryngs: to do what? |
| 20:40.42 | stryngs | chem|st: Report to a NS provider, they're all jacked up, and to fix it |
| 20:40.44 | stryngs | 13k+ ddomains |
| 20:40.45 | stryngs | vuln |
| 20:40.46 | stryngs | etc.. |
| 20:41.07 | stryngs | Easier to do via phone, than an email that will get ignored. |
| 20:41.12 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I know, those chip aren't meant for mobile use |
| 20:41.16 | chem|st | stryngs: send an email, much faster on the serveradmins |
| 20:41.19 | bencoh | at least not for daily phones |
| 20:41.40 | Sicelo | freemangordon: mutt on N900 works.. anyway, will investigate tomorrow and rant here .) |
| 20:41.53 | KotCzarny | bencoh, with big enough battery you can (which is simple to do because its just 2 pins) |
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| 20:42.00 | bencoh | KotCzarny: .... |
| 20:43.08 | KotCzarny | for a whole day one would need ~30Wh i guess |
| 20:43.22 | KotCzarny | which translates to 4-6 cells |
| 20:43.29 | KotCzarny | so not that much |
| 20:44.35 | bencoh | that's pretty sick |
| 20:45.03 | KotCzarny | form factor would be something ~nintento 3DS |
| 20:45.07 | KotCzarny | *nintendo |
| 20:45.24 | Sicelo | chem|st: too many with your name. can i pm you my username? |
| 20:45.36 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I'd rather go for pyra+headphones then, mind you? :p |
| 20:46.11 | KotCzarny | bencoh, sure, though i'm planning to add mini amp and have a portable boombox :P |
| 20:46.13 | Sicelo | buy the upcoming iphone with no 3.5mm headphone jack :p |
| 20:46.19 | chem|st | Sicelo: you find me from the maemo page |
| 20:46.28 | chem|st | or here https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153210153685588&id=7855690587 |
| 20:47.54 | Sicelo | gotcha. thanks |
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| 20:53.46 | chem|st | :D |
| 20:54.10 | chem|st | we will see waht happens, turned my language to english and tried another ticket |
| 20:54.18 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 20:54.22 | chem|st | maybe english support staff is not that insane |
| 20:55.58 | chem|st | year starts as expected... second day and I had called 3 hotlines wrote several emails to support staff incl but not limited to phone company and facebook. |
| 20:57.18 | freemangordon | ...and it's only just begun :) |
| 20:57.52 | bencoh | err ... :] |
| 20:58.18 | bencoh | I wonder if fb is worse than paypal regarding that kind of stuff |
| 21:02.16 | chem|st | bencoh: same lvl |
| 21:16.14 | brolin_empey | stryngs: If you are asking because of the cost of making a long-distance telephone call, you can probably use VoIP.ms or a similar/competing service for a VoIP-to-PSTN call. |
| 21:19.52 | stryngs | brolin_empey: does that work for country to country? |
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| 21:24.49 | brolin_empey | stryngs: What do you mean? You can call a different country than the country you are in. I live in Canada but I can still use the service to call Denmark or any other supported country. See https://voip.ms/rates.php?l=d . |
| 21:38.58 | brolin_empey | stryngs: You can call a landline/wired line in Denmark for less than 2 cents per minute. Calling a mobile/wireless number in Denmark apparently costs at least 19 cents per minute in most cases. |
| 21:40.52 | brolin_empey | No grammar nazi correction that I should say âfewer thanâ instead of âless thanâ is necessary (sp?) because I mean âless thanâ as in the mathematical operator. :-P |
| 21:43.23 | brolin_empey | Cents as in of USD, IIRC. |
| 21:45.28 | stryngs | hmmmm |
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| 22:26.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | fakebook, farcebook |
| 22:26.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | who want or needs a weird service developed by a guy I think called suckerberg |
| 22:29.01 | brolin_empey | If someone here has too much free time, it would be funny to try to use a UDF volume on a CD to have the DVD Video file format on a CD instead of a DVD. |
| 22:29.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | googlemail, twitter, facebook, whatsapp. "Oh it's for free! great!" - then cry baby since they don't treat you nice. Did you ever hear the old rule "Either you're the customer or you are the product"? |
| 22:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | a conjugation of the above rule would be: you always pay, either your money, or with your time or your data or your attention |
| 22:31.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | only in the first case you have a clear idea of total cost of "ownership" |
| 22:36.32 | Pali | brolin_empey: UDF... do you know if there is fsck for UDF? |
| 22:39.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | in case of farcebook and wutsap you pay with your data and own literally nothing in turn |
| 22:41.19 | Pali | you have fb account? you really do not mind that you can be deported to USA? and you agree with it? |
| 22:44.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | facebroke, the wet dream of every three letter agency on this globe (even those that have more than 3 letters) |
| 22:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm already worrying to become looking suspicious by _not_ having a FB account :-// |
| 22:47.27 | Pali | has any agency more than 3 letters? :D |
| 22:47.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | mossad |
| 22:48.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe only 6 letters in western alphabet, I don't know err even the name of what they write in .il |
| 22:49.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it's not Cyrillic |
| 22:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | is it? |
| 22:50.14 | Pali | it is Hebrew |
| 22:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 22:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | heard of that before ;-) |
| 22:50.39 | Pali | israel |
| 22:51.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe time for another coffee |
| 22:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2 letter: Shin Bet |
| 22:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I'm cheating: it's officially called ISA |
| 22:54.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | or shabak |
| 22:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw, cutetube2 works great, after cutetube stopped working shortly after I installed it |
| 22:58.43 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: see this: http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/4/10712026/facebook-android-research-trust |
| 22:59.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeew, the title alone makes me puke |
| 22:59.26 | Pali | "Facebook has tested the loyalty and patience of Android users by secretly introducing artificial errors that would automatically crash the app for hours at a time, says one person familiar with the one-time experiment." |
| 22:59.42 | Pali | "The purpose of the test, which happened several years ago, was to see at what threshold would a person ditch the Facebook app altogether." |
| 22:59.50 | Pali | "The company wasnât able to reach the threshold. "People never stopped coming back," this person says." |
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| 23:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 23:04.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | they can do such stuff |
| 23:05.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they will, just because they can |
| 23:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | remembers a story told by Dieter Hildebrandt and sees the parallels in that "reality will become what we tell you it is" |
| 23:12.56 | Pali | similar for Big Brother... "He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past." |
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| 23:44.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://youtu.be/kNtQ3fmk14M?t=1806 golden |
| 23:53.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | (producer planning a TV 'special' about Dieter hildebrandt) producer:"but who plays your part in that movie?" Hildebrandt: "I thought *I* do..." producer:"naaah, you're not the right character" |