| 00:16.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | spanks freemangordon with a trout |
| 00:18.04 | freemangordon | you went fishing? |
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| 00:25.43 | Wizzup | So let's pretend I'm a total newbie to maemo devel, but not to programming/devel in general |
| 00:25.55 | Wizzup | Where do I start so I can deploy/develop on/for a spare n900 that I have |
| 00:26.06 | freemangordon | Wizzup: SB |
| 00:26.26 | Wizzup | Right |
| 00:26.45 | jonwil | Do you have a Linux system? |
| 00:26.56 | jonwil | If not, the Maemo Dev VM is the easiest way to get started |
| 00:27.14 | merlin1991 | even if you have a linux system the dev vm is better |
| 00:27.32 | merlin1991 | since a lot of automagic sb does doesn't work so well anymore with new kernels :/ |
| 00:27.54 | Wizzup | jonwil: I many linux systems |
| 00:27.57 | freemangordon | well, depends on how much RAM you can spend on it. |
| 00:28.01 | Wizzup | I have an arm laptop in fact |
| 00:28.10 | Wizzup | (not sure if that makes things easier or harder - I also have intel laptop(s)) |
| 00:28.25 | freemangordon | not sure there is SB for ARM |
| 00:29.00 | Wizzup | I thought that there was something with qemu on intel that emulates arm to get a SB, but I ... am not into this yet |
| 00:29.11 | Wizzup | so basically: set up SB on an intel machine, in a vm |
| 00:29.15 | Wizzup | (the dev vm) |
| 00:29.26 | merlin1991 | no |
| 00:29.29 | Wizzup | s/set up SB/set up a/the dev VM/ |
| 00:29.29 | merlin1991 | you grab the vm |
| 00:29.33 | merlin1991 | and it has evertyhing set up |
| 00:29.37 | Wizzup | Yeah, that's what I mean. |
| 00:29.39 | Wizzup | Cool. |
| 00:29.47 | jonwil | yeah you grab the dev VM, run it n vmware and its good to go |
| 00:30.00 | Wizzup | (optional step convert to vbox or qemu :)) |
| 00:31.36 | Wizzup | I will do that tomorrow then. Time to hit the sack now. Thanks for the quick responses |
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| 02:49.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb |
| 02:49.42 | infobot | i heard scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
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| 03:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt |
| 03:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z_DIR.txt |
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| 03:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://i.imgur.com/4pLE1jX.jpg |
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| 07:33.50 | brolin_empey | Wizzup: Which model of ARM notebook computer do you have? |
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| 08:55.24 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: thx |
| 08:55.32 | Wizzup | brolin_empey: chromebook 1 and 2: snow and peach-pi |
| 08:56.02 | Wizzup | http://linux-exynos.org/wiki/Samsung_Chromebook_XE303C12 and http://linux-exynos.org/wiki/Samsung_Chromebook_2_XE503C32 |
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| 09:49.38 | Sicelo009N | so it seems i'm not behind NAT on my mobile network |
| 09:49.55 | KotCzarny | do you pay for incoming traffic too? |
| 09:50.47 | Sicelo009N | i don't know. i didn't even know there was no NAT |
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| 09:54.25 | KotCzarny | well, external ip is usually a sign of it |
| 09:55.08 | Sicelo009N | i've had others with external ip, but firewalled. this one is open |
| 09:56.58 | Maxdamantus | no NAT as in you have your own IP address, or no NAT as in only PAT (which I think is actually usually considered NAT anyway)? |
| 09:57.40 | Sicelo009N | it's a routable internet address |
| 09:58.09 | Maxdamantus | routable as in all packets go to you? |
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| 09:58.44 | Sicelo009N | yes. i could ssh into my N900 using the address on gprs0 iface |
| 09:59.11 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 10:00.02 | Maxdamantus | Interesting. |
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| 10:07.34 | Sicelo009N | mixed feelings |
| 10:08.37 | KotCzarny | sicelo: portscanner ahoy! |
| 10:10.24 | Sicelo009N | i'm happy i have iptables properly configured since years ago, but now i need to examine this more closely before i get in big problems (if not already) |
| 10:10.57 | KotCzarny | yeah, external ip is a mixed blessing |
| 10:11.11 | KotCzarny | but as long you pay for incoming traffic, it can be costly |
| 10:11.45 | KotCzarny | because even with fw you still pay for data sent your way (think udp) |
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| 10:14.15 | Sicelo009N | i'll investigate. though i've had this net for about 6 months now, and have not really had mysterious data depletion |
| 10:14.49 | KotCzarny | lucky for you freenode has cloaking |
| 10:16.04 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: I thought sometimes udp/icmp doesn't even count towards traffic 'costs' |
| 10:16.33 | KotCzarny | wizzup, nope, all data is counted, otherwise people would abuse it |
| 10:16.50 | Wizzup | pretty sure my ICMP is not :) |
| 10:17.00 | KotCzarny | but i cant speak for every provider |
| 10:17.02 | Wizzup | it's also not rate limited |
| 10:17.26 | KotCzarny | wizzup, setup icmp proxy at home and have free data? :> |
| 10:17.34 | Wizzup | I already have free data |
| 10:17.40 | Wizzup | but they still list how much I have used |
| 10:17.47 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: I have 8KB/s internet |
| 10:17.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:17.55 | Wizzup | 'unlimited' |
| 10:18.13 | Wizzup | Through EU, too :) |
| 10:18.15 | Wizzup | Throughout* |
| 10:18.20 | KotCzarny | not bad |
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| 10:21.30 | Sicelo009N | i blocked icmp long ago (even via wifi). and, re:cloaking, yes, it's nice. i adjusted my irssi to wait before joining channels, although once in a while it "leaks" my IP, lol. then again, i'm not often logged in via N900 directly |
| 10:22.07 | KotCzarny | sicelo, for 100% safeness you can use bouncer at home |
| 10:22.19 | Wizzup | or just ssh+irssi :) |
| 10:22.55 | Sicelo | yes, i use Wizzup's solution .. remote server ;) |
| 10:23.19 | Sicelo | Sicelo009N logs in once in a while (that's N900). |
| 10:23.37 | Wizzup | He meant use ssh from the n900 |
| 10:23.39 | Wizzup | I think |
| 10:23.44 | Wizzup | or, that is what I meant |
| 10:23.49 | Wizzup | he meant using your bnc at home |
| 10:24.24 | Sicelo | and that's what i do most of the time (ssh & irssi). i don't find bouncers as user friendly (tried znc, psy) |
| 10:26.07 | Sicelo | also, i don't have "IP" at "home" .. i'm living in company residence .. free internet via ethernet. it is filtered |
| 10:26.25 | Wizzup | that's ... bad |
| 10:28.01 | Sicelo | i don't mind it too much. unlimited fast internet would cost an arm and a leg in these parts. filtering is a much smaller price to pay |
| 10:28.14 | Wizzup | filtering is philosophical problem |
| 10:28.18 | Wizzup | I guess you can just use Tor. |
| 10:28.23 | Sicelo | i do ;) |
| 10:28.28 | Sicelo | or ssh proxy |
| 10:29.32 | bencoh | company residece :/ |
| 10:29.52 | Sicelo | actually i proxy tor through ssh .. i can more easily explain ssh traffic than tor traffic if someone was to ask :p |
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| 11:01.11 | KotCzarny | yeah, as if MB/s via ssh is easily explainable |
| 11:01.42 | Wizzup | proxy :) |
| 11:04.43 | KotCzarny | 'but you are supposed to use our *filtering* proxy' |
| 11:07.11 | Sicelo009N | KotCzarny: didn't get your MB/s statement.. |
| 11:07.39 | Wizzup | freemangordon_: is there a point to defining SW_CAMERA_LENS_COVER and others in event-switches.h ? Do the normal maemo headers lack them? |
| 11:07.50 | Wizzup | My gentoo system has all the four that are being defined there |
| 11:13.50 | KotCzarny | sicelo: ssh is very low bandwidth, so its easy to distinguish normal ssh work from bulk transfers |
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| 11:17.40 | Sicelo | i am aware, can say sftp :p |
| 11:18.21 | Sicelo | point is .. there's a bit more 'latitude' |
| 11:18.36 | jonwil | What exactly are they filtering anyhway? |
| 11:20.01 | KotCzarny | pr0n |
| 11:20.03 | KotCzarny | probably |
| 11:20.41 | jonwil | probably anything that would get the company in trouble |
| 11:21.38 | Sicelo | not a lot actually .. pr0n, known malicious websites,proxies, gambling, and few other categories .. don't remember all of them |
| 11:22.06 | KotCzarny | pr0n is 'not a lot'? :> |
| 11:22.41 | KotCzarny | internet data is mostly pr0n and spam |
| 11:22.54 | Wizzup | Sicelo: wikileaks? ;) |
| 11:23.10 | jonwil | Surprised they aren't blocking pirated content |
| 11:24.44 | jonwil | Also I do wonder what they are doing about encrypted web content (i.e. SSL) |
| 11:24.48 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: i meant .. not a lot.. not many categories .. just the obvious ones |
| 11:25.46 | Sicelo | jonwil: they do block known pirate stuff. sometimes even archive.org gets blocked .. not sure why (and this is the most common reason i enabled ssh proxy) |
| 11:26.01 | jonwil | yeah I suspected they would block pirated content |
| 11:26.06 | KotCzarny | maybe keyword matching |
| 11:26.26 | Sicelo | don't seem they touch ssl @ home, but in the work network, they have ssl inspection. |
| 11:26.50 | jonwil | Corporate networks will usually have SSL proxying for work PCs |
| 11:27.02 | jonwil | with a special local root certificate installed for the SSL proxy |
| 11:27.10 | Sicelo | yep. exactly that |
| 11:27.19 | jonwil | good that they aren't doing anything for SSL for the filtered home network |
| 11:27.45 | jonwil | Although I suspect they probably still filter by DNS or IP somewhere |
| 11:28.05 | Sicelo | but all this doesn't trouble me as generally my browsing habits are "safe" haha. but the one day i got link from jonwil .. had to proxy that as i was unsure |
| 11:28.41 | Sicelo | yep, the do dns filtering .. i made sure my dns queries go via the ssh proxy too (and tested it) :p |
| 11:28.59 | Sicelo | that's why i know opera mobile on N900 is not very "safe" |
| 11:29.33 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 11:29.39 | jonwil | Security is something I care a lot about |
| 11:29.55 | Sicelo009N | as far as proxying .. KotCzarny (re:opera) |
| 11:29.56 | jonwil | Which is why I am doing whatever I can to update the N900 and make it more secure |
| 11:30.06 | Sicelo009N | :) |
| 11:30.11 | Sicelo009N | jonwil: \m/ |
| 11:31.09 | KotCzarny | having updated kernel/iptables/libs(libc,ssl)/servers is usually enough |
| 11:32.42 | Wizzup | jonwil++ |
| 11:33.43 | jonwil | Updating OpenSSL and the things that use it is high on the wishlist |
| 11:34.42 | jonwil | As is updating the set of root certificates on Maemo |
| 11:34.52 | jonwil | inside maemo-security-certman |
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| 11:47.26 | jonwil | and also update nss inside microb |
| 11:47.50 | jonwil | Those 3 are the most important things to do for security |
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| 11:50.48 | jonwil | currently waiting to see if Juhani Mäkelä can provide more info about how to update the certificates |
| 12:07.44 | Maxdamantus | In the long run, everything should really be ported to Debian. |
| 12:07.59 | Maxdamantus | or abandoned. |
| 12:10.40 | jonwil | Ideally yeah |
| 12:10.46 | jonwil | but for now we are stuck with maemo-security-certman |
| 12:13.01 | jonwil | and all the closed things that link to it like activesync for exchange, browser UI, wifi security daemon and various bits of the connectivity UI layer |
| 12:15.52 | Maxdamantus | I don't care about Maemo enough to do most of it. Maemo is just more hackable (easy to swap components aroundâworks relatively similar to other unix-like OSes) than others, so it's preferable to me. |
| 12:16.10 | Wizzup | ok |
| 12:16.38 | Wizzup | Luckily, others in here (#maemo), do |
| 12:16.53 | jonwil | My goal is to make Maemo more secure without sacrificing useful functionality |
| 12:17.23 | Maxdamantus | I'd be happier running some custom xmonad configuration as a WM and some simple UI/database system for SMS/telephony. |
| 12:17.35 | Maxdamantus | (on top of ofono or something) |
| 12:17.44 | jonwil | If it was up to me, I would say "screw ActiveSync" but aparently there are people on this earth who own a N900 and need to talk to an ActiveSync server |
| 12:17.46 | Wizzup | well, do it |
| 12:17.51 | Maxdamantus | hasn't figured out what there is of the last part yet. |
| 12:18.00 | Wizzup | I find the maemo UI much more pleasant for mobile than any WM I have tried |
| 12:18.13 | Wizzup | jonwil: there are? (re: activesync) |
| 12:18.21 | jonwil | aparently there are |
| 12:18.53 | Wizzup | I would say screw activesync -atm- and worry about it later :) |
| 12:19.00 | Sicelo | yes, i'm one of them. |
| 12:19.05 | jonwil | anyhow, zzz time :), later guys |
| 12:19.50 | Maxdamantus | just sshes into his main computer to do email/IRC/etc |
| 12:20.22 | Sicelo | EAS is currently the only well-integrated sync method still working on N900 |
| 12:20.57 | Sicelo | discounting syncml via usb (pc suite) |
| 12:21.46 | Sicelo | or bluetooth .. all of which are of course not so convenient |
| 12:22.47 | Sicelo | Maxdamantus: EAS is not only email .. it can sync calendar & contacts. works very well on N900, trust me |
| 12:24.10 | freemangordon_ | Wizzup: there are defined in linux/input.h, and are missing in 2.4.26 |
| 12:24.17 | Wizzup | freemangordon_: 2.6.26 I presume |
| 12:24.45 | freemangordon_ | 2.6.28 :) |
| 12:24.55 | Wizzup | eh, yeah |
| 12:27.02 | Sicelo | (re:my network... torrents aren't blocked, but you'l! definitely be asked what's up) |
| 12:28.39 | Sicelo | anyway, i don't generally torrent anything. |
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| 16:13.36 | brolin_empey | Wizzup: OK, thank you. |
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| 16:16.59 | bencoh | Maxdamantus: to be honest, the best part about maemo is probably the community/ecosystem around it :) |
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| 17:17.42 | freemangordon | Pali: russell applied the patches, just don;t ask me to which tree :). also, see https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=574aab1e02837927e3c94193eedf94128ad10b6d, going to cherrypick to see if it fixes the net oops |
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| 17:38.07 | Pali | freemangordon: ok, do not forget and just check that patches will be in 4.5-rc1 |
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| 17:44.55 | freemangordon | sure |
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| 18:41.04 | freemangordon | Pali: ke-recv still spits "ke_recv[2434]: get_usb_cable_udi:1725: coudn't find USB cable indicator" |
| 18:41.27 | Pali | there is something broken in hal or ke-recv.. |
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| 19:35.18 | Sicelo | N900 doesn't have a selfie-stick .. if one was to make one, what's the best way to capture at that distance? :) |
| 19:36.08 | KotCzarny | does it have a timer? |
| 19:37.26 | Sicelo | yes |
| 19:37.36 | Sicelo | camera2-ui .. up to 20s |
| 19:38.12 | Sicelo | but it would be nice to have some remote button/control |
| 19:40.36 | bencoh | do we really want a selfie-stick? :( |
| 19:41.14 | Sicelo | haha, i don't (because i hate taking pics) |
| 19:42.07 | freemangordon | Pali: yeah, hal |
| 19:42.56 | freemangordon | merlin1991: : do we have maemo hal in gitorious backup? |
| 19:46.54 | Wizzup | Sicelo: create a network input device with a 'camera button' ? :P |
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| 19:47.30 | Sicelo | :) |
| 19:48.32 | Sicelo | i'll look to see how the others work |
| 19:50.11 | Sicelo | i've seen people connect to earphone jack .. but i don't understand how that relates to camera |
| 19:51.05 | bencoh | Sicelo: listening to a hal/mce/whatever event and sending a dbus command, I guess |
| 19:51.12 | bencoh | or something close |
| 19:54.58 | Sicelo | nice idea |
| 19:55.44 | Sicelo | e.g. listen for headset button (which we already have in Maemo) |
| 20:01.49 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: no idea |
| 20:02.23 | Defiant | pitty that the n900 doesn't have an ir receiver |
| 20:02.33 | KotCzarny | it has bt |
| 20:02.38 | KotCzarny | should be enough |
| 20:02.47 | Defiant | ir is way simpler |
| 20:02.58 | KotCzarny | bt passes through obstacles |
| 20:03.12 | KotCzarny | so you can have it in your pocket etc |
| 20:03.30 | Defiant | I never did make selfies, so no idea if obstacles involved |
| 20:03.50 | Defiant | but ir could be set up in no time |
| 20:04.00 | Defiant | no paring.. |
| 20:04.02 | Sicelo | although our N900 is quite a brick. i'm sure the weight would be felt |
| 20:04.43 | KotCzarny | sicelo, bt mini keyboard |
| 20:04.48 | KotCzarny | == instant button |
| 20:04.52 | Sicelo | ;) |
| 20:05.27 | KotCzarny | couldnt be simpler i think |
| 20:05.33 | Sicelo | that's also neat idea. camera-ui2 actually captures when you press C on keyboard |
| 20:05.44 | KotCzarny | only thing you need to set up is pairing devices |
| 20:05.52 | KotCzarny | no need to tweak/hack anything |
| 20:06.09 | Wizzup | Finally, a use for bluetooth! |
| 20:06.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:06.24 | KotCzarny | bt mouse could work too |
| 20:06.45 | KotCzarny | assuming you block the laser and only rely on buttons |
| 20:07.42 | Sicelo | that may start needing hacks .. how do you capture? |
| 20:07.52 | KotCzarny | press the button? |
| 20:08.16 | Sicelo | i don't think that would work without some sort of mapping? |
| 20:08.17 | KotCzarny | (you need to position mouse pointer over the clicky area first, then put a piece of tape over the laser |
| 20:08.35 | Sicelo | haha, nah.. that would be difficult |
| 20:08.39 | KotCzarny | camera-ui2 doesnt have a make-a-photo-on-click ? |
| 20:08.46 | Sicelo | it does |
| 20:08.51 | KotCzarny | but bt keyboard is way easier |
| 20:08.59 | Sicelo | yes, your idea is bed |
| 20:09.04 | Sicelo | *best |
| 20:10.01 | KotCzarny | are there bt headsets with more buttons that can be mapped? |
| 20:10.26 | bencoh | what's wrong with the wired headset button ? :p |
| 20:10.31 | bencoh | not-simple-enough? |
| 20:10.33 | freemangordon | merlin1991: who should I ask, xes? |
| 20:10.37 | KotCzarny | not-long-enough |
| 20:10.52 | KotCzarny | also you dont want cable in the photo, do you? |
| 20:11.14 | bencoh | it's on the stick ... |
| 20:11.15 | Sicelo | it can be long enough .. but you need some dbus-foo as well to make it trigger |
| 20:11.38 | KotCzarny | sicelo, that dbus-foo is trivial |
| 20:11.57 | KotCzarny | you can even use oscp-dbus.py from oscp to just map the event to something |
| 20:12.10 | KotCzarny | for example faking 'c' key |
| 20:13.25 | Sicelo | yes, of course. i did like the headset idea. i'm just saying that bt keyboard definitely is quickest/painless way (even for someone that knows zilch about dbus, etc.) |
| 20:13.45 | Pali | freemangordon: https://github.com/community-ssu/hal |
| 20:14.54 | Pali | my git repo from Jun 11 2014 |
| 20:19.19 | freemangordon | Pali: thanks |
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| 21:22.16 | freemangordon | Pali: how do you think, where should we get usb cable status? bme or isp? |
| 21:22.21 | freemangordon | isp1707 that is |
| 21:24.31 | freemangordon | Pali: or we should add button.type = usb.cable to hald bme addon? |
| 21:24.50 | bencoh | how does it work thus far? |
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| 21:25.16 | freemangordon | bencoh: which one? |
| 21:25.17 | Pali | from hal bme |
| 21:25.31 | Pali | (hald-addon-bme) |
| 21:25.31 | freemangordon | Pali: hal bme addon? |
| 21:25.34 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:25.41 | freemangordon | I was thinking the same :) |
| 21:26.01 | freemangordon | Pali: where is the code? |
| 21:26.10 | freemangordon | in cssu? |
| 21:26.29 | Pali | hald-addon-bme source code is on github cssu |
| 21:26.31 | freemangordon | found it |
| 21:27.44 | freemangordon | Pali: is that supposed to work with stock kernel? |
| 21:28.15 | Pali | bme replacement hald-addon-bme has same API as nokia bme |
| 21:28.51 | Pali | so if you use hald-addon-bme API it should work on both stock Maemo and bme-replacment Maemo |
| 21:29.15 | freemangordon | Pali: I know, but is that addon supposed to work with KP and stock kernels? as we'll duplicate usb.cable |
| 21:29.40 | freemangordon | ke-recv takes 1st found, but I wonder is someone else uses that |
| 21:29.44 | Pali | no, bme replacment version work *only* with bme replacment (kp or upstream kernel) |
| 21:30.17 | freemangordon | ok, bu KP exports /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_1d6b_2_musb_hdrc |
| 21:30.20 | freemangordon | *but |
| 21:30.33 | freemangordon | with button.type = 'usb.cable' (string) |
| 21:30.44 | Pali | freemangordon: but I did not catch up where is problem... |
| 21:30.47 | Pali | in ke-recv? |
| 21:30.49 | freemangordon | I will add the same in bme |
| 21:31.01 | freemangordon | so we'll have 2 udis with button.type = 'usb.cable' (string) |
| 21:31.08 | Pali | ke-recv needs musb device! |
| 21:31.14 | Pali | not bme! |
| 21:31.19 | freemangordon | this is not musb device |
| 21:31.26 | freemangordon | this is usb cable detection |
| 21:31.30 | Pali | ok, so what is problem? |
| 21:31.40 | freemangordon | (23,30,59) freemangordon: so we'll have 2 udis with button.type = 'usb.cable' (string) |
| 21:32.00 | Pali | in which kernel? |
| 21:32.04 | freemangordon | KP |
| 21:32.09 | Pali | stock too? |
| 21:32.26 | freemangordon | if used with bme-replacement, yes |
| 21:32.51 | freemangordon | but I guess this is not possible |
| 21:33.59 | freemangordon | Pali: I don't know it this will bring problems, just making a note |
| 21:34.00 | Pali | ok, I'm lost... problem is in which combinations? stock+nokiabme; kp+nokiabme; kp+replacbme; upstream+replacbme |
| 21:34.12 | freemangordon | kp+replacbme |
| 21:34.34 | Pali | and which hal UDIs have that? |
| 21:35.08 | freemangordon | now only /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_1d6b_2_musb_hdrc |
| 21:35.26 | freemangordon | if I add it to bme, both bme and ^^^ will have it |
| 21:35.38 | freemangordon | when the combination is kp+replacbme |
| 21:35.46 | Pali | what if you add to bme? |
| 21:35.59 | freemangordon | button.type = 'usb.cable' |
| 21:36.08 | Pali | and why you want to add it? |
| 21:36.10 | freemangordon | because ke-recv needs it |
| 21:36.20 | Pali | ?? |
| 21:36.26 | Pali | nokia bme does not add it |
| 21:36.31 | freemangordon | libhal_manager_find_device_string_match(hal_ctx, "button.type", "usb.cable", &num_devices, &error); |
| 21:36.33 | Pali | so ke-recv does not need it |
| 21:36.58 | freemangordon | it is added by p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } hald-addon-usb-cable |
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| 21:37.13 | freemangordon | hald-addon-usb-cable |
| 21:37.46 | Pali | now I'm lost... can you explain me again what is problem? |
| 21:38.00 | freemangordon | ke-recv needs to detect when usb cable is connected |
| 21:38.21 | freemangordon | to show you the "mass storage" dialog |
| 21:38.24 | freemangordon | ok? |
| 21:38.29 | Pali | ok |
| 21:38.35 | Pali | this is done by gadget driver |
| 21:38.36 | Pali | musb |
| 21:38.42 | Pali | musb kernel code |
| 21:38.45 | freemangordon | not in upstream kernal |
| 21:38.51 | freemangordon | *kernel |
| 21:38.59 | Pali | hm? this should be there |
| 21:39.07 | freemangordon | but it is not |
| 21:39.24 | Pali | hm... maybe I removed something important from .config? |
| 21:39.29 | freemangordon | no idea |
| 21:39.43 | freemangordon | but it was the same before you cleaned it up |
| 21:40.14 | Pali | so problem is that in ke-recv "usb_cable_udi" variable is empty? |
| 21:40.16 | freemangordon | which udi you think should export that? |
| 21:40.34 | Pali | that UDI which export musb state |
| 21:40.53 | Pali | b_idle b_peripheral ... |
| 21:41.04 | freemangordon | Pali: the problem is that ke-recv cannot find udi which exports "button.type"="usb.cable" |
| 21:41.30 | Pali | can you share me again lshal? |
| 21:41.55 | freemangordon | ~ # lshal | grep idle |
| 21:41.55 | freemangordon | ~ # |
| 21:41.55 | infobot | it has been said that # is pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board, or octothorpe |
| 21:41.57 | freemangordon | sure |
| 21:42.32 | Pali | $ cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 21:42.39 | Pali | is in stock kernel |
| 21:42.55 | Pali | similar sysfs entry must be also on upstream kernel |
| 21:43.01 | freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/RVb9Ruh5 |
| 21:43.15 | Pali | and if exists it should be exported to HAL (if not, bug is in HAL) |
| 21:43.40 | freemangordon | udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_musb_hdrc_0_auto' |
| 21:44.55 | Pali | freemangordon: see HAL hald/linux/addons/addon-usb-cable.c |
| 21:45.35 | freemangordon | what to look for there? |
| 21:45.39 | freemangordon | sysfs paths? |
| 21:45.48 | Pali | yes |
| 21:45.55 | Pali | this is usb-cable module |
| 21:46.01 | freemangordon | see 10-usb-cable.fdi |
| 21:46.09 | Pali | so this module is responsible for exporting usb.cable right? |
| 21:46.11 | freemangordon | I know |
| 21:46.14 | freemangordon | no |
| 21:46.19 | freemangordon | see ^^^ fdi |
| 21:46.56 | Pali | HAL hald/linux/device.c |
| 21:46.57 | freemangordon | <match key="button.type" string="usb.cable"> |
| 21:47.03 | Pali | search for "usb.cable" |
| 21:47.37 | Pali | this code set button.type to usb.cable |
| 21:47.38 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 21:47.50 | Pali | if exists hal_util_get_string_from_file (sysfs_path, "../mode"); |
| 21:47.55 | freemangordon | yes |
| 21:49.06 | Pali | it should match in our case udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_musb_hdrc_0_auto' which has linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/devices/platform/68000000.ocp/480ab000.usb_otg_hs/musb-hdrc.0.auto' |
| 21:49.18 | freemangordon | yes |
| 21:49.24 | Pali | so check which sysfs node has entry "mode" |
| 21:49.32 | freemangordon | it has, just checked |
| 21:49.41 | Pali | find /sys -name mode |
| 21:49.43 | Pali | what is result? |
| 21:49.58 | freemangordon | /sys/devices/platform/68000000.ocp/480ab000.usb_otg_hs/musb-hdrc.0.auto # ls |
| 21:49.58 | freemangordon | driver driver_override gadget modalias mode musb-hdrc.0.auto power srp subsystem uevent vbus |
| 21:50.37 | freemangordon | oh |
| 21:50.43 | freemangordon | it looks for "../mode" |
| 21:50.57 | Pali | hmm |
| 21:51.02 | Pali | will look at stock Maemo |
| 21:51.30 | freemangordon | I have KP booted, will check |
| 21:51.49 | freemangordon | /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 21:52.22 | Pali | ah right |
| 21:52.25 | freemangordon | usb_device.linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb1' |
| 21:52.45 | Pali | see for info.product |
| 21:52.51 | Pali | host driver |
| 21:52.57 | Pali | binded to usb1 |
| 21:53.08 | freemangordon | yep |
| 21:53.14 | Pali | you should see it in lsusb |
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| 21:53.30 | Pali | what do you see on upstream kernel in lsusb? |
| 21:53.41 | freemangordon | nothing :) |
| 21:53.49 | Pali | this looks like broken gadget support |
| 21:53.58 | Pali | can you compile g_nokia as external module? |
| 21:54.05 | Pali | (not linked into zImage) |
| 21:54.46 | freemangordon | ok, gimme 5 minutes |
| 21:55.27 | freemangordon | Pali: only g_nokia? |
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| 21:55.42 | Pali | yes |
| 21:55.51 | Pali | or you can also g_mass_storage |
| 21:55.55 | freemangordon | hmm, why is # CONFIG_USB_MUSB_GADGET is not set |
| 21:56.11 | freemangordon | ah, p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } CONFIG_USB_MUSB_DUAL_ROLE=y |
| 21:58.03 | Pali | I know why |
| 21:58.12 | Pali | isp1704 disconnect gadget at load |
| 21:58.26 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 21:58.28 | Pali | so if gadget is not loaded *after* isp704 we loose it |
| 21:58.57 | Pali | and when gadget is compiled into zImage it cannot be initialized after isp1704 easily |
| 22:01.34 | freemangordon | ok, rebooting |
| 22:07.15 | freemangordon | Pali: [ 260.860717] g_nokia gadget: using musb-hdrc, OUT ep1out, IN ep1in |
| 22:07.26 | freemangordon | still lsusb prints nothing |
| 22:07.42 | Pali | hm... |
| 22:08.20 | freemangordon | same when usb_f_mass_storage is loaded |
| 22:09.10 | freemangordon | Pali: there is no /proc/bus/usb |
| 22:09.51 | Pali | /proc/bus/usb does not exists |
| 22:10.05 | freemangordon | ok |
| 22:10.06 | Pali | use /sys/bus/usb or /dev/bus/usb |
| 22:12.54 | freemangordon | Pali: there is /sys/devices/platform/68000000.ocp/480ab000.usb_otg_hs/musb-hdrc.0.auto/musb-hdrc.0.auto |
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| 22:14.05 | Pali | hm... |
| 22:14.12 | Pali | ls -l -a /sys/devices/platform/68000000.ocp/480ab000.usb_otg_hs/musb-hdrc.0.auto/musb-hdrc.0.auto/../mode |
| 22:14.19 | Pali | it exists! |
| 22:14.21 | Pali | (in qemu) |
| 22:14.42 | Wizzup | want me to boot a mainline kernel I had a bit ago? had basic gadgets working. |
| 22:14.52 | freemangordon | yes |
| 22:15.08 | Pali | hm... that HAL code first check for usb device |
| 22:15.12 | Wizzup | hang on - will take a few minutes (I think the battery ran out) |
| 22:15.15 | Pali | and then check for that ../mode |
| 22:15.24 | Oksanaa | : moving bookmarks around + low battery shutdown -> loss of bookmarks being moved around? |
| 22:15.26 | freemangordon | it exists here too |
| 22:15.30 | xes | freemangordon: do you stil need the backup? Or have you already solved? |
| 22:15.36 | freemangordon | solved |
| 22:15.39 | Pali | Wizzup: do you have working mainline kernel? |
| 22:15.43 | xes | freemangordon: ok |
| 22:15.50 | Pali | Wizzup: which version? |
| 22:17.54 | Wizzup | Pali: it is from a month or two ago. hang on. I made lots of notes |
| 22:18.16 | Pali | older version is perfect |
| 22:18.26 | Wizzup | 4.1.0-rc4 is what I have |
| 22:18.34 | Wizzup | (your branch) |
| 22:19.02 | Wizzup | (it is not running maemo - though - but I had gadgets working in gentoo I think) |
| 22:20.21 | Wizzup | what do you want me to do - it is booted |
| 22:20.35 | Pali | output from lsusb |
| 22:20.40 | Pali | (when gadget is active) |
| 22:20.51 | Wizzup | gentoo900 ~ # lsusb |
| 22:20.52 | Wizzup | unable to initialize libusb: -99 |
| 22:20.53 | Wizzup | eh. |
| 22:21.00 | freemangordon | sudo? |
| 22:21.04 | Wizzup | no -as root |
| 22:21.09 | freemangordon | :) |
| 22:21.16 | Wizzup | http://sprunge.us/aIbO |
| 22:21.24 | Wizzup | it is probed |
| 22:21.35 | freemangordon | the same here |
| 22:22.52 | Wizzup | interestingly enough |
| 22:22.58 | Wizzup | the gadget does work |
| 22:23.55 | Wizzup | I have /sys/bus/usb |
| 22:25.24 | Wizzup | I'm confused - do I still need to do something - or not really |
| 22:26.03 | freemangordon | Wizzup: I guess no |
| 22:26.26 | Wizzup | It is weird that libusb doesn't want to initialise, though. but one problem at the time :) |
| 22:26.46 | freemangordon | what is error -99? |
| 22:26.49 | Wizzup | I tried to get host mode to work some time ago - but gave up at some point, I think because it wasn't possible to set the mode using the debugfs anymore or something - something was removed/changed |
| 22:26.53 | Wizzup | good question. |
| 22:27.03 | Wizzup | do you not get that error? |
| 22:27.12 | Wizzup | as I said - this is an older version that what you are using, I think |
| 22:27.36 | freemangordon | well, lsusb just outputs nothing here |
| 22:27.40 | Pali | Wizzup: usb host mode should be possible to set via upstream kernel too! but interface is chnages since kernel-power |
| 22:27.46 | freemangordon | didn't check $? |
| 22:27.50 | Wizzup | Pali: could noy find it last time |
| 22:27.57 | Pali | first you need to read kernel source code |
| 22:28.07 | Wizzup | freemangordon: http://sprunge.us/LIKd |
| 22:28.10 | Pali | and then do magic via debugfs (not procfs) |
| 22:28.16 | Wizzup | Pali: I see |
| 22:28.34 | freemangordon | Wizzup: same here, without the error message |
| 22:28.41 | Pali | you need to manually write something to registers |
| 22:28.51 | Pali | (same what kernel-power is doing...) |
| 22:28.56 | Pali | it is really tricky |
| 22:29.00 | Wizzup | Pali: ok, I did look at the source some time ago, didn't find it. will have another look again at some point |
| 22:29.43 | Pali | I remember that I traced coude and find that it should be possible (if code is correct bug-free) |
| 22:30.05 | Pali | you need to mount something into /dev/bus/usb ? |
| 22:30.11 | Wizzup | I will retry it with a newer kernel version soon then - I will first continue finishing this home raid setup before I get too tired |
| 22:30.19 | Wizzup | there is nothing in /dev/bus/usb |
| 22:30.27 | Pali | or check strace |
| 22:30.29 | Wizzup | there is something in /sys/bus/usb |
| 22:30.34 | Wizzup | fair point. |
| 22:30.52 | Wizzup | that will take a bit longer - no portage tree on the n900 (I compile using chroot on my arm laptop) |
| 22:31.00 | Pali | strace lsusb on my laptop: |
| 22:31.01 | Pali | openat(AT_FDCWD, "/dev/bus/usb", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY|O_CLOEXEC) = 3 |
| 22:32.01 | Pali | -99 is -EADDRNOTAVAIL |
| 22:33.04 | Wizzup | http://sprunge.us/ESGY |
| 22:33.54 | Pali | Wizzup: lsusb --version |
| 22:34.01 | freemangordon | neither /proc/bus/usb nor /dev/bus/usb exists here |
| 22:34.05 | Wizzup | ilsusb (usbutils) 008 |
| 22:34.11 | Wizzup | without the 'i' in front of it :) |
| 22:34.22 | Pali | I have 005 on laptop |
| 22:34.40 | Pali | and 0.72 on Maemo |
| 22:36.53 | Pali | Wizzup: aaaa I remember 007+ lsusb does not work without systemd! |
| 22:37.18 | Pali | Wizzup: is your systemd running? |
| 22:41.38 | Wizzup | Pali: no, I do not use systemd |
| 22:42.03 | Wizzup | http://sprunge.us/CBcf <-- laptop, also not systemd |
| 22:42.26 | Wizzup | Pali: I think the only difference seems to be that lsusb doesn't search in /sys/bus/usb |
| 22:42.34 | Wizzup | Pali: it only tries /proc/bus/usb and /dev/bus/usb |
| 22:42.44 | Wizzup | openat(AT_FDCWD, "/dev/bus/usb", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 22:42.46 | Pali | Wizzup: then downgrade to 006 version |
| 22:42.47 | Wizzup | openat(AT_FDCWD, "/proc/bus/usb", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 22:42.55 | Wizzup | Pali: ack, I can do that (later) :-) |
| 22:43.00 | Wizzup | freemangordon: what is your libusb version? |
| 22:43.07 | freemangordon | maemo |
| 22:43.07 | Pali | 007 version needs udev from systemd |
| 22:43.13 | Wizzup | Pali: I use eudev |
| 22:43.20 | Wizzup | udev fork without systemd |
| 22:43.23 | Pali | I already faced that problem |
| 22:43.39 | freemangordon | libusb-0.1-4 |
| 22:43.58 | freemangordon | 2:0.1.12-5osso3+0m5 |
| 22:44.14 | Wizzup | let's try something ugly. |
| 22:45.33 | Pali | /dev/bus/usb is generated by udev |
| 22:45.42 | Pali | clearly you have wrong version of udev |
| 22:45.45 | Wizzup | bind mount from /sys/bus to /dev/bus does get it a bit further |
| 22:46.01 | Wizzup | Pali: weird. let me double check that then :) |
| 22:46.02 | Pali | /sys/bus and /dev/bus had different structure! |
| 22:46.06 | Wizzup | ah. |
| 22:46.15 | Pali | /proc/bus and /dev/bus should have similar/compatible |
| 22:46.35 | Pali | I have udev 175 |
| 22:46.36 | Wizzup | actually -- this system still uses systemd-udevd it seems |
| 22:46.47 | Wizzup | # /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --version |
| 22:46.48 | Wizzup | 216 |
| 22:47.18 | Wizzup | well - I need to work on this other thing atm - happy to upgrade/downgrade in a bit |
| 22:47.58 | Pali | Wizzup: downgrade lsusb |
| 22:48.22 | Pali | or at least compile older version (no need to downgrade) |
| 22:48.23 | Wizzup | I will try that in a bit |
| 22:50.14 | freemangordon | Pali: besides g_nokia, what else I can check? |
| 22:51.40 | freemangordon | hmm, ifconfig usb0 up seems to work |
| 22:52.25 | KotCzarny | you can get udev from devuan maybe |
| 22:56.10 | Pali | freemangordon: checking kernel source code |
| 22:57.00 | freemangordon | Pali: ok, wish you luck, I am going to have some sleep as I have to wake-up in about 6 hours :) |
| 22:57.03 | freemangordon | night |
| 22:57.16 | Pali | bye |
| 22:58.59 | Pali | freemangordon: check dmesg | grep -i usb |
| 22:59.17 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: I think eudev will do fine too |
| 22:59.19 | Pali | in qemu I have this: [ 0.633819] HS USB OTG: no transceiver configured [ 0.634246] musb-hdrc musb-hdrc.0.auto: musb_init_controller failed with status -517 |
| 22:59.29 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: with eudev on my system I have /dev/bus/usb |
| 22:59.51 | Wizzup | Pali: I get this on the n900: [ 2.171417] musb-hdrc musb-hdrc.0.auto: musb_init_controller failed with status -517 |
| 23:00.05 | Wizzup | again - 4.1.0-rc4 |
| 23:00.26 | Pali | ok, then problem is in kernel :-( |
| 23:00.38 | Wizzup | does fmg get that? |
| 23:01.25 | Pali | looks like DTS related |
| 23:02.05 | Pali | how is IS_ERR defined? |
| 23:03.11 | Pali | is if (IS_ERR(NULL)) true? |
| 23:05.10 | Wizzup | Pali: is it defined in a few places I think |
| 23:05.18 | Wizzup | grepping now |
| 23:05.27 | Wizzup | ./include/linux/err.h:#define IS_ERR_VALUE(x) unlikely((x) >= (unsigned long)-MAX_ERRNO) |
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| 23:16.21 | Wizzup | let me know if you want me to test things tomorrow evening or so |
| 23:16.29 | Wizzup | I also need to hit the sack soon |
| 23:17.20 | Pali | looks like probe defer |
| 23:17.33 | Pali | at next time it is loaded... |
| 23:20.51 | Wizzup | Pali: yeah, it does seem to work |
| 23:21.04 | Wizzup | Pali: http://sprunge.us/PDfJ |
| 23:21.09 | Pali | I hate those EPROBEDEFER... |
| 23:21.37 | Pali | it contains false-positive errors |
| 23:22.18 | Wizzup | hang on... |
| 23:22.21 | Wizzup | that is the wrong dmesg. |
| 23:22.25 | Wizzup | wrong device... |
| 23:23.15 | Wizzup | http://sprunge.us/ggaC |
| 23:24.04 | Pali | [ 7.936096] ALSA device list: |
| 23:24.04 | Pali | [ 7.942260] No soundcards found. |
| 23:24.04 | Pali | !!! |
| 23:24.29 | Pali | [ 7.142364] tpa6130a2 2-0060: Write failed |
| 23:24.35 | Pali | [ 7.142456] tpa6130a2 2-0060: Failed to initialize chip |
| 23:24.36 | Pali | [ 7.142639] tpa6130a2: probe of 2-0060 failed with error -121 |
| 23:24.37 | Pali | !!! |
| 23:24.44 | Pali | [ 7.777282] rx51-audio n900-audio: Failed to add TPA6130A2 controls |
| 23:24.44 | Pali | [ 7.784912] rx51-audio n900-audio: ASoC: failed to init TLV320AIC34: -19 |
| 23:24.44 | Pali | [ 7.792633] rx51-audio n900-audio: ASoC: failed to instantiate card -19 |
| 23:24.46 | Pali | !!! |
| 23:26.57 | Wizzup | Pali: weird, I know that alsa worked before |
| 23:26.59 | Wizzup | maybe it's a race |
| 23:27.13 | Wizzup | let me reboot it |
| 23:28.07 | Pali | hm... that remind me that there is some bug in that tpa6130a2 chip and it does not load always :-( |
| 23:28.16 | Pali | looks like this is problem just in upstream kernel |
| 23:29.13 | Pali | https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/7/25/98 |
| 23:29.17 | Pali | reported ^^^^ |
| 23:29.18 | Wizzup | http://sprunge.us/MdiC |
| 23:29.23 | Wizzup | after reboot^ |
| 23:29.32 | Wizzup | Pali: ah, I see |
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| 23:51.08 | brolin_empey | bencoh: I no longer use a Nokia Internet Tablet but I am still in this channel because of the (smart and funny) community. |
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| 23:56.08 | KotCzarny | funny? lol |
