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| 04:32.45 | mva | hi there! |
| 04:33.44 | mva | can you advice me with actual ("alive") maemo repos links? "extras" ones seems to be a bit zombies :-/ |
| 04:39.14 | mva | Although, I somehow got an "update" with bootmenu (I thought it wan't installed before, so dunno why do it installednow) and <cssu repo smth> (new update arrived, but did nothing), but, say, syncevolution-client still broken (can't find syncevolution itself to install). So I decied I missing some repos. Isn't it? |
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| 06:51.20 | fishbulb | hey |
| 06:52.12 | fishbulb | is there any way some f-head who KNOWS I run an n900 could have logged into my phone when it's connected via usb, and made it (for example) email them the text messages? |
| 06:52.37 | fishbulb | on a previous linux install that I now know was totally compromised |
| 06:53.06 | fishbulb | because unlike an android phone, it's a small linux computer, which is easier to "hack" than any android |
| 07:03.31 | bencoh | how is it "easier"? |
| 07:03.55 | bencoh | it's possible to connect to n900 via usbnet, but... |
| 07:04.37 | bencoh | mva: extras* should be working (?) |
| 07:19.14 | joga | doesn't android have usb debugging stuff that'll basically expose the device to pretty much anything |
| 07:19.28 | joga | (assuming it's turned on, not sure if rooted images have that by default or not) |
| 07:25.49 | mva | bencoh: it is working (fapman kinda syncing them). But, say, syncevolution-client is broken, some packages too. And... I didn't meant unavailability under "death". Just lack of updates (including fixes) ;) |
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| 08:43.02 | Sicelo | so it seems my IT dept. can't help me with OWA, |
| 08:50.47 | Sicelo | "outlook web access is available through the link https://owa.domain.org/owa/ without a Pulse Secure connection. The user must have a cert that matches their user account, and the username must be entered as domain\username" .. excerpt from the documents for OWA. so i asked my local IT dept. to get me this cert and they say i need to use Pulse :( |
| 08:52.00 | Sicelo | have spent over an hour explaining that i'm not looking to use Pulse. gawd. someimes techs can be difficult people if they don't get what you want or why you want it. |
| 08:56.56 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:08.41 | mva | (that's why you shouldn't ask XY-syndrome questions to techs) |
| 09:12.59 | Sicelo | ? |
| 09:14.48 | Sicelo | and where is xy syndrome in what i'm asking them? |
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| 09:36.30 | KotCzarny | mva: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 09:41.46 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: any device with physical access is usually easily hackable |
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| 11:59.11 | Sicelo | idly wonders if we can remove an email account in modest via commandline |
| 11:59.33 | KotCzarny | answer is: maybe |
| 11:59.50 | KotCzarny | if config is just text file, then any editor could do |
| 12:00.35 | KotCzarny | but they might be stored as sql db as well, and most likely are |
| 12:01.41 | Sicelo | i know the login details are kept in gconf |
| 12:03.01 | KotCzarny | nice for os integration, wtf for design |
| 12:03.21 | Sicelo | huh? |
| 12:03.30 | KotCzarny | i hate any kind of binary configs |
| 12:03.56 | Sicelo | i didn't know gconf was binary .. is it? |
| 12:04.08 | KotCzarny | flatfiles tied to the program and ~/.program.conf or ~/.program/ are the traditional way |
| 12:04.32 | KotCzarny | also, more portable |
| 12:05.11 | Sicelo | anyway, if N900 gets lost, and somehow I'm able to login remotely to it, i suppose by removing the gconf entries the finder cannot get new emails :/ |
| 12:05.31 | KotCzarny | change the mailbox pass in that case |
| 12:05.32 | KotCzarny | safer |
| 12:06.19 | Sicelo | MfE password is hashed |
| 12:07.16 | KotCzarny | i assume you are not the target of any security agency, otherwise no hash is secure |
| 12:09.01 | Sicelo | you missed the point :) |
| 12:09.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:09.23 | KotCzarny | woke up recently, still in dreamy land |
| 12:09.26 | Sicelo | but yes, i wonder if there's cleaner way to remove email accounts |
| 12:09.53 | KotCzarny | for a test you should do filesystem compare before adding/removing account |
| 12:10.03 | KotCzarny | and you could find what's changing |
| 12:10.31 | KotCzarny | i dont remember if n900's kernel has block dev tracing (would make finding what's accessed easier) |
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| 13:55.34 | fishbulb | hey, are there any functional facebook widgets left for maemo |
| 13:59.52 | Sicelo | no |
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| 14:07.48 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 18:32.14 | fishbulb | is it possible for someone to have "rooted" my n900 |
| 18:32.22 | fishbulb | and send the texts to them |
| 18:34.06 | fishbulb | it's usually on me, but I've used it so much without reflashing, and connected to so many free or totally dodgy hotspots, that it might as well have had unprotected sex with 350 prostitutes |
| 18:34.18 | bencoh | :)) |
| 18:34.30 | KotCzarny | if you are feeling unsafe just reflash |
| 18:35.06 | fishbulb | I rember last time, there was't a "just" involved |
| 18:35.14 | KotCzarny | ~ping |
| 18:35.14 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:35.18 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 18:35.19 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 18:35.31 | KotCzarny | download the script, unpack, run, done |
| 18:35.45 | KotCzarny | cant get any easier |
| 18:36.20 | fishbulb | you're right, does software still exist for backing up important stuff? |
| 18:36.27 | KotCzarny | ~bm |
| 18:36.27 | infobot | it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
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| 19:03.28 | sixwheeledbeast | backups of a compromised system isn't a good idea. I doubt anyone would bother to attack a device with so little market share |
| 19:03.59 | KotCzarny | swb: anyone with basic linux knowledge and being his 'friend' |
| 19:12.12 | Sicelo | fishbulb: you may have actually sent the sms'es yourself by mistake? it's happened to me couple of times. just last week a friend said i sent him an empty email and he wanted to be sure my systems were not compromised. turns out in my sleep (with unlocked N900 close by) i must have pressed the thing enough to send. |
| 19:12.36 | Sicelo | (no wonder they say monekys could produce a novel if left alone with a typewriter) :D |
| 19:12.46 | KotCzarny | if alcohol/drugs are involved its even more probable |
| 19:13.16 | Sicelo | well i've never indulged in any of those |
| 19:14.05 | Sicelo | s/monekys/monkeys/ |
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| 19:15.00 | fishbulb | KotCzarny: you are exactly right |
| 19:15.25 | fishbulb | I have known some pieces of SHIT |
| 19:16.50 | fishbulb | I've kept this phone for so long because of "linux" |
| 19:17.09 | fishbulb | but in reality it's probably frar easier to hack than any android device |
| 19:17.16 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 19:17.29 | KotCzarny | android is much more popular == MUCH mure exploits |
| 19:17.49 | fishbulb | yes I do realise that it's one of the two phones on the planet, basically |
| 19:18.03 | KotCzarny | and if your droid isnt supported by the maker anymore (usually most stop being supported in 6-12 months after release) |
| 19:18.12 | KotCzarny | then have luck patching holes |
| 19:18.41 | fishbulb | I know, I don't need a 400 dollar phone, and won't buy one until all my n900's are dead |
| 19:18.42 | KotCzarny | and as such n900 should be considered MORE secure |
| 19:18.47 | fishbulb | and I don't like android |
| 19:19.00 | fishbulb | but it's literally a tiny linux computer that has a phone attached |
| 19:19.05 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 19:19.55 | Sicelo | trying to imagine the motive .. someone sending himself texts from your device .. hehe |
| 19:20.23 | fishbulb | anyone who is "hacking" into my gmail would find this easier than a decent "hardened" android phone, I have a tablet I got to learn about android, it's.. actually good for some things |
| 19:21.16 | fishbulb | it's related to how someone gets past 2 step auth on my gmail |
| 19:21.38 | fishbulb | I had some garbage in my apartment, they went through my stuff, now I have problems. |
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| 19:21.47 | Sicelo | by the way .. do you know the contents of the SMSes? do they remain in Conversations application? do you perhaps have smscon installed? |
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| 19:22.28 | fishbulb | is smscon the security thing for missing phones? I had that installed once |
| 19:22.45 | KotCzarny | just flash it and put lock code on it |
| 19:22.58 | fishbulb | I want to find out of I'm being paranoid still |
| 19:23.14 | sixwheeledbeast | It's probably SMSCON causing it. |
| 19:23.22 | Sicelo | yes. smscon is for that. i have it, and after configuring it nicely, am very happy with the results |
| 19:23.37 | fishbulb | I can't think of another way of someone getting past 2 step auth on gmail |
| 19:23.58 | sixwheeledbeast | set it up wrong and you will have random texts and emails. |
| 19:24.01 | fishbulb | nobody touches my phone anyway |
| 19:24.05 | Sicelo | is lost between Gmail step 2 & N900 |
| 19:24.07 | Sicelo | :/ |
| 19:24.20 | fishbulb | oh. someone was getting past the 2 step |
| 19:24.37 | Sicelo | and how does that relate to N900? |
| 19:24.39 | fishbulb | a piece of garbage who I rented a room to |
| 19:24.59 | fishbulb | because this is my only phone ,and the texts for 2 step go to it |
| 19:25.09 | Sicelo | lol |
| 19:25.37 | Sicelo | so we're troubleshooting N900 when we should be troubleshooting Gmail |
| 19:26.05 | fishbulb | well maybe |
| 19:26.14 | fishbulb | but it's still useful to me :) |
| 19:26.37 | Sicelo | when the step 2 texts come, they come from the usual/correct phone number? |
| 19:27.01 | Sicelo | and in gmail, you should be able to see previous successful logins |
| 19:27.50 | fishbulb | I know, the ip addresses have all been from this place |
| 19:28.01 | Sicelo | shared connection? |
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| 19:28.13 | fishbulb | it shouldn't be |
| 19:28.20 | fishbulb | I'm not voluntarily sharing it |
| 19:29.50 | fishbulb | zero other people shoud have access |
| 19:30.04 | Sicelo | the you have something in there which is likely already pre-approved for authentication, or your gf/wife is the one logging into your gmail :D |
| 19:32.06 | KotCzarny | does smscon have some kind of log? |
| 19:33.20 | Sicelo | it does. but the problem here is not that N900 sends/receives messages. the real "problem" is someone/thing is logging into his Gmail successfully, so that N900 receives successful login acknowledgement message |
| 19:33.30 | Sicelo | interogate your gf! :D |
| 19:33.39 | Sicelo | N900 is innocent |
| 19:33.46 | KotCzarny | or just change all the locks and passwords |
| 19:33.59 | KotCzarny | and review security settings on your gmail |
| 19:34.13 | fishbulb | I have done all that, nuked my partitions, installed new distros, blah blah |
| 19:34.28 | fishbulb | I just wanted to know how probable the phone was for being compromised |
| 19:34.38 | fishbulb | and it's "at least as much as any other phone, if not more" |
| 19:34.41 | KotCzarny | the same as your pc/android |
| 19:35.03 | fishbulb | yeah. but these days it seems like android is harder |
| 19:35.07 | KotCzarny | having physical access == no problem with compromising |
| 19:35.17 | KotCzarny | ever heard of stagefright? |
| 19:35.32 | KotCzarny | anything from 2.x to 4.x |
| 19:35.51 | fishbulb | yeah if you have physical access you can do literally anything, and this is the last thing left that hasn't been nuked from orbit (partitions zeroed, all that shit) |
| 19:36.03 | KotCzarny | and if your android phone is not on the 'supported with patches' list, bad luck, no way to fix the exploit |
| 19:36.07 | fishbulb | stagefright? |
| 19:36.37 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: compromising droid with something as simple as opening video attachment or playing a video |
| 19:37.02 | fishbulb | there's all this shit about "oh I'm a hacker, but it's only because I'm so smart, and I'm responsible, it's a challenge and I'm not doing any harm" etc etc |
| 19:37.48 | fishbulb | and a lot of people totally accept that |
| 19:38.04 | Sicelo | fishbulb: you saying even after changing gmail pass, the smses continue? |
| 19:38.38 | fishbulb | but if I was like "I have a rock, I've been practicing breaking windows, and for scientific purposes I already broke in and rubbed my balls all over your clothes and toothbrush last week" |
| 19:38.40 | KotCzarny | no, he doesnt know for sure |
| 19:38.50 | KotCzarny | thats why i asked for log |
| 19:39.10 | fishbulb | about 100% of people would have a problem with that |
| 19:39.54 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: i have my n900 since 2009, never reflashed after initial setup, no problem |
| 19:40.12 | KotCzarny | it's the human link that is usually the exploitable hole |
| 19:40.16 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: i meant password for gmail :) smscon has no business there |
| 19:40.35 | KotCzarny | similar with my laptop's os (slackware 4.0 and just update since then) |
| 19:41.34 | fishbulb | KotCzarny: you're without a doubt waaaay better with linux than I am |
| 19:41.59 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 19:42.21 | KotCzarny | i just dont go to dangerous places |
| 19:42.35 | KotCzarny | and dont do suspicious software |
| 19:42.39 | fishbulb | basically after dos 6.11 (I knew that shit back to front) I found myself without much computer access until about 6 years ago, and I'm 2 years into linux |
| 19:43.06 | KotCzarny | if you want to know linux run it without graphical ui |
| 19:43.26 | fishbulb | well. if you know dodgy people, dodgy shit is going to happen. like I've lived in 20+ sharehouses, had most of my stuff stolen, but this invasion of my privacy is persisting |
| 19:44.23 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:44.30 | fishbulb | there's the option of trying to harden the security, and hope the person doing it doesn't know all the exploits, but from what I've seen, they haven't left many traces |
| 19:44.35 | Sicelo | you don't write gmail password on sticky note somewhere, of course? |
| 19:44.40 | KotCzarny | encrypted os for laptop |
| 19:44.45 | fishbulb | the other option, I go to his house, bash his teeth in with a pipe |
| 19:44.51 | KotCzarny | and not leaving phone unattended |
| 19:45.25 | Sicelo | lol fishbulb. you have no proof it's someone else. all evidence is pointing to yourself :p |
| 19:45.29 | fishbulb | or I just go there, and choke him out then kick his ribs in. |
| 19:45.33 | KotCzarny | before you start bashing you should know what and where |
| 19:45.51 | KotCzarny | otherwise it could only get worse |
| 19:45.54 | Sicelo | and be careful, he might just shoot, while you're busy raising pipe :D |
| 19:46.29 | fishbulb | this is australia, beatings are almost a currrency |
| 19:47.01 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 19:47.09 | KotCzarny | sounded like a ghetto in us |
| 19:47.11 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:47.19 | fishbulb | it's just like that |
| 19:47.27 | fishbulb | most large cities are pretty similar |
| 19:48.05 | KotCzarny | check gmail first then |
| 19:48.31 | KotCzarny | for logs, accesses |
| 19:48.37 | KotCzarny | go there, deauth all devices |
| 19:48.43 | fishbulb | it's always come from this ip |
| 19:48.51 | fishbulb | inside the router |
| 19:49.49 | fishbulb | the only way to get into my gmail and whatever, is with the codes from my phone |
| 19:49.50 | Sicelo | change WiFi password? |
| 19:50.10 | Sicelo | codes from your phone? meaning? |
| 19:50.19 | fishbulb | 2 step auth |
| 19:50.20 | KotCzarny | oh, and change the router |
| 19:50.21 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:50.37 | fishbulb | I can't afford to but I was going to try decent firmware |
| 19:50.45 | fishbulb | surely that's good enough? |
| 19:51.10 | KotCzarny | if its a dlink etc and still on the firmware that it came with.. |
| 19:51.18 | KotCzarny | then i guess anything would be better |
| 19:51.34 | KotCzarny | you might also disable wifi altogether |
| 19:51.36 | KotCzarny | and go wired |
| 19:52.22 | fishbulb | it's an asus whatever |
| 19:52.44 | Sicelo | this 2 step thing, lol. |
| 19:53.09 | fishbulb | no I'm not giving up anything, if I can't stop the wind I won't try, if they're actually not as good as I think they are, I could probably harden things enough |
| 19:53.24 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 19:54.05 | KotCzarny | but to not let them sniff out your passwords you should start from the bottom up |
| 19:54.39 | Sicelo | i never enabled it .. so i don't know what happens exactly -- so you attempt to login via password (step 1), then google sends an sms with a code to your number (step 2), you enter the code and login. after this google sends you a confirmation sms? |
| 19:54.46 | fishbulb | I don't know if it's the passwords they're even sniffing out, because they got straight through 2 step auth with no problem |
| 19:54.55 | Sicelo | is this the correct sequence? |
| 19:54.59 | fishbulb | no, I get a code, then I log in |
| 19:55.07 | fishbulb | there's never a confirmation one |
| 19:55.22 | KotCzarny | hmm, is your cellphone on some shared plan? |
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| 19:55.54 | fishbulb | shared with who? |
| 19:55.58 | fishbulb | like an ex? no way |
| 19:56.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:56.15 | Sicelo | goes to check this google thing (curiosity kicking in) |
| 19:57.28 | fishbulb | I know who is doing this, the guy is trash, it's not unknown. nobody would bother doing this to look at how much money I don't have or get a kick out of reading my stuff if they were like, in latvia, becuse they can't transfer money anyway, and wouldn't give a shit what I do in gmail or facebook |
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| 20:00.46 | Sicelo | ah, if you know him then there's nothing to troubleshoot :) |
| 20:01.35 | KotCzarny | https://security.google.com/settings/security/permissions |
| 20:02.07 | KotCzarny | if there is something, clear it |
| 20:02.22 | KotCzarny | and all those other settings |
| 20:04.18 | KotCzarny | also, all forwardings etc in gmail |
| 20:05.51 | Sicelo | would generate a login code though |
| 20:06.01 | Sicelo | anyway, KotCzarny you're on CSSU or stock? |
| 20:06.11 | fishbulb | well, right now I'm locked out anyway |
| 20:06.11 | KotCzarny | my main phone is still on stock |
| 20:06.13 | Sicelo | *wouldn't generate... |
| 20:06.19 | KotCzarny | dev and testing on cssu-thumb |
| 20:06.53 | KotCzarny | out of your account? |
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| 20:07.09 | KotCzarny | also, check your 'recovery email' setting |
| 20:07.24 | Sicelo | great. could i ask you to set camera on 1.3Mpix capture mode, then see if captured picture is exactly what you see in the viewfinder |
| 20:07.33 | fishbulb | I'm locked out of my account anyway |
| 20:08.03 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: ^^ |
| 20:08.07 | fishbulb | I have a tablet that runs cyanogenmod, and that's authorised |
| 20:08.37 | KotCzarny | sicelo: i think it's what viewfinder shows |
| 20:08.43 | KotCzarny | +/- my shaky hands |
| 20:08.56 | Sicelo | please try anyway |
| 20:08.56 | fishbulb | and I don't think any other device is, I don't use my n900 for much, facebook doesn't really work, does gchat? |
| 20:09.08 | Sicelo | fishbulb: suspect that tablet |
| 20:09.22 | KotCzarny | sicelo: just tried and said |
| 20:09.29 | fishbulb | I didn't have the tablet at the time |
| 20:09.34 | fishbulb | I barely ever use it |
| 20:09.38 | KotCzarny | 1.3M low resolution setting |
| 20:09.56 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: ok. so camera2-ui has a bug .. i get a cropped/zoomed result |
| 20:10.23 | fishbulb | I have 3 n900's, what's the coolest thing you can think of doing with more than 1? there were competitions ages back that had some pretty cool entries |
| 20:10.35 | KotCzarny | sicelo, viewfinder is cropped if one selects nonidentical-to-screen aspect ratio |
| 20:10.51 | fishbulb | and now, all that source code has disappeared |
| 20:11.05 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: just anything you can do with linux |
| 20:11.19 | KotCzarny | i wrote me an audio player |
| 20:11.32 | KotCzarny | if you know/learn, its perfect for testing code |
| 20:11.42 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: check on your dev/testing devices ;) |
| 20:11.50 | fishbulb | yeah but I'm not much of a coder, and someone spent months if not years doing some aerial photography thing for kites |
| 20:11.53 | KotCzarny | sicelo: im away from home, ask again tomorrow |
| 20:12.17 | fishbulb | now that I'm scratch building a drone, the n900 seems like the ultimate companion |
| 20:12.27 | Sicelo | cool |
| 20:13.18 | fishbulb | to learn the sort of coding I can steal immediately from github or whatever and modify, would take years, and I'd never get the stuff done |
| 20:13.59 | fishbulb | stealing then modifying code is one way to gradually learn, learning the foundations is of course the best way |
| 20:14.53 | stryngs | fishbulb: check pm |
| 20:14.55 | stryngs | =) |
| 20:15.23 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: you can only steal the code if you violate copyright, with gpl you are just forking ;) |
| 20:17.57 | Sicelo | stryngs :) |
| 20:21.46 | sixwheeledbeast | grr, another kernel panic third in two weeks |
| 20:22.37 | Sicelo | N900? |
| 20:24.16 | fishbulb | you know what I mean, take code I didn't write then use it |
| 20:24.26 | sixwheeledbeast | nah buntu |
| 20:24.35 | fishbulb | not many projects would get done without doing that though |
| 20:25.19 | KotCzarny | its the open source, it encourages sharing, using, changing (as long as you distribute modified source with your project you arent stealing anything) |
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| 21:36.41 | Sicelo | fennec performing quite well for me since i stopped the opening of numerous tabs |
| 21:37.48 | Sicelo | can actually open maps.google.com, here.com, etc. |
| 21:41.34 | bencoh | oO |
| 21:41.45 | bencoh | are you seriously using those on your phone? |
| 21:42.17 | bencoh | how long does it take to load / print proper routing instructions (for instance) ? |
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| 21:45.10 | Sicelo | haha. i use Ovi Maps. i was just testing. it's slow, but definitely not as bad as before. if you have urgent need to access a 'modern' site and you only have N900 with you .. it may come in really handy |
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| 21:58.19 | Oksanaa | Isn't it weird when filepicker opens at /home/user directory, and shows its contents, not only MyDocs? |
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