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| 09:38.00 | capitanocrunch | hello everybody |
| 09:39.36 | capitanocrunch | does anybody know if maemo x-terminal gives a warning if you type rm -rf / ? |
| 09:41.02 | KotCzarny | unlikely |
| 09:41.25 | KotCzarny | unless you have something like: alias rm="rm -i" in profile or bashrc |
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| 09:41.58 | KotCzarny | but if you do: rm somerandomfile and it doesnt ask then it doesnt |
| 09:44.10 | sixwheeledbeast | try it? |
| 09:45.07 | KotCzarny | swb: good point |
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| 10:02.16 | sixwheeledbeast | You would have to be root, in which case you shouldn't need a warning? |
| 10:02.40 | KotCzarny | unless he is trying to write a prank |
| 10:04.22 | sixwheeledbeast | some prank |
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| 10:14.51 | capitanocrunch | in debian it gives a warning and also an --option to do it as nonroot |
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| 10:23.25 | sixwheeledbeast | ok... |
| 10:24.21 | Pali | freemangordon: I'm going to fix that connui package |
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| 10:31.11 | Oksanaa | I have talent for getting into trouble. The folder with 500+ files from 3 days of travel? When I try to archive it into a zip, I get a read-only MyDocs, as if some files in the folder are corrupted |
| 10:32.56 | Oksanaa | And trying to sic photorec onto MyDocs gives mostly not-the-files-I-need (haven't finished weeding through 163 results of undelete-recovery operation, yet) |
| 10:33.47 | Oksanaa | Will likely attempt recovery-undelete in the future. Hopefully, it will not start by recovering the same 163 results again |
| 10:34.31 | Oksanaa | It's painful when a photo is recovered as separate jpg and exif-text files, with no clue on matching them |
| 10:41.23 | KotCzarny | um |
| 10:41.46 | KotCzarny | read-only doesnt require photorec rescue |
| 10:41.50 | KotCzarny | or am i wrong? |
| 10:44.10 | Oksanaa | Um, why would it go into read-only mode? |
| 10:44.27 | Oksanaa | does not understand filesystems much |
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| 10:48.56 | KotCzarny | oksanaa, because it wasnt umounted cleanly? |
| 10:49.17 | KotCzarny | and its vfat, so inconsistences are very easy to introduce with unclean reboots |
| 10:49.37 | Oksanaa | It wasn't read-only at first, it became read-only after archive-attempt ? |
| 10:49.45 | KotCzarny | if you didnt do anything radical to it most likely nothing was lost |
| 10:50.41 | KotCzarny | system might have encountered some inconsistency and remounted it ro to stop further damage |
| 10:51.05 | KotCzarny | unclean umount from usb cable also can be a reason |
| 10:51.24 | KotCzarny | (undetected until reacheing some point in directory structure later) |
| 10:51.33 | Oksanaa | My point of view was, tar encounters inconsistencies while trying to archive, filesystem becomes read-only |
| 10:52.02 | Oksanaa | How to repair inconsistencies? And, no usb-cable, broken usb-port |
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| 10:52.14 | KotCzarny | no, tar doesnt do anything like that, it could have been any app, its the kernel that detected incons. on the fs |
| 10:52.24 | KotCzarny | first, backup the data |
| 10:53.23 | KotCzarny | then you should umount it, dosfsck, remount |
| 10:54.42 | Oksanaa | To where? And by the way, restriction "too large file" on "share by email" is absurd, especially when I try to send many small files. I guess, it's unreasonable to ask the share-plugin to create several emails for that purpose? |
| 10:55.32 | KotCzarny | sd card? |
| 10:55.46 | Oksanaa | So, fsck would repair it? Which option was it to make corrections "instantaneous", in case of small battery-life and long fsck ? |
| 10:56.00 | KotCzarny | install tiny-smb and copy over wifi? |
| 10:56.10 | KotCzarny | also, dont ignore backup before fsck |
| 10:56.36 | Oksanaa | SD card? Good thinking, but there is a shortage of them around here. Tiny-smb sounds neat, never used it before though |
| 10:57.10 | KotCzarny | you can do the other way around, mount some network dir on the n900 via sshfs |
| 10:57.16 | KotCzarny | or nfs |
| 10:57.34 | Oksanaa | Will endeavour to do some kind of back-up. But what's the worst an fsck can do? Delete corrupt files which I already cannot reach? |
| 10:57.51 | KotCzarny | also, without mounting anything you can just use rsync to backup data too |
| 10:59.12 | KotCzarny | fsck can delete almost everything, it all depends what was the cause |
| 10:59.43 | KotCzarny | if a simple 'bitmap mismatch' then nothing much would happen |
| 11:00.11 | Oksanaa | Well, unclean reboot is likely, LED pattern does not help much when LED does not work (really should get a full new flex cable for this device) |
| 11:00.30 | Oksanaa | Would it recover problematic files? |
| 11:00.56 | KotCzarny | if the inconsistency is already there, i guess problematic files will be corrupted too |
| 11:01.26 | KotCzarny | but as i said, backup first, worry later |
| 11:02.14 | Oksanaa | What has the highest probability of recovering corrupted-and-or-problematic files? |
| 11:02.33 | KotCzarny | define recovering |
| 11:04.17 | Oksanaa | Having them "like new", not damaged. Well, I can deal with having them in fragments, for mix-and-matching by hand, but it would be tiresome |
| 11:05.08 | KotCzarny | most often vfat suffers from bad usage bitmap, so if something was already overwritten then none |
| 11:07.34 | Oksanaa | Not likely to be overwritten, I hope. I did not take that many photos since then, though I did have some |
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| 11:10.57 | KotCzarny | backup first, repair fs, check then |
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| 11:13.37 | Oksanaa | Okay. Emailing 800+ MB video file (30 minutes of video) is difficult when home-fs has only 600MB free |
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| 11:23.25 | KotCzarny | oksanaa: use youtube.com then just mail link? |
| 11:24.46 | Oksanaa | Nice thought. I don't use youtube |
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| 11:27.44 | Oksanaa | cloudstor can help |
| 11:56.57 | drathir | Oksanaa: which one provider support 800m attachments? |
| 11:58.40 | drathir | Oksanaa: gdrive/dropbox/ probably, but if possible before send encrypt... |
| 12:00.04 | drathir | Oksanaa: but the best rsync to own vps... |
| 12:02.18 | drathir | Oksanaa: and take on mind even workin os overwritting data too... |
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| 14:15.33 | Petros | hello |
| 14:15.57 | Petros | i asked about this a few weeks ago but i was travelling between continents :P |
| 14:16.14 | Petros | i want to learn how to port stuff to maemo |
| 14:16.20 | Petros | i'm in computer science |
| 14:16.31 | Petros | but i don't really know how to begin :S |
| 14:16.49 | KotCzarny | if your program compiles in linux its mostly ported |
| 14:17.12 | Petros | hmm |
| 14:17.18 | KotCzarny | things that differ are just really old libs available |
| 14:17.19 | Petros | but it wouldn't run on arm |
| 14:17.33 | KotCzarny | you know what source compilation is? |
| 14:17.41 | Petros | yep |
| 14:18.09 | KotCzarny | if you dont do anything stupid in the code, gcc compiles it without a problem |
| 14:18.15 | Petros | i also can't get gcc to work - it gets stuck on printf lines |
| 14:18.42 | KotCzarny | you are doning something wrong, very |
| 14:19.08 | Petros | lol maybe :P |
| 14:19.22 | Petros | perhaps i can figure it out with some googling |
| 14:19.24 | KotCzarny | first, what dev env are you using? |
| 14:19.56 | Petros | uuum |
| 14:19.58 | Petros | nano |
| 14:20.22 | KotCzarny | k, where do you compile the code? what tools/versions? |
| 14:20.43 | Petros | on my n810 |
| 14:20.50 | Petros | i used apt-get to install gcc |
| 14:21.10 | KotCzarny | and you say you cant run hello world with printf? |
| 14:21.32 | Petros | yep |
| 14:21.56 | KotCzarny | which gcc ver/repo? |
| 14:22.34 | Petros | gimme a sec |
| 14:23.18 | Petros | ok this is weird |
| 14:23.35 | Petros | i reflasshed recently and now gcc isn't availble |
| 14:23.45 | Petros | i can't install it again |
| 14:23.53 | KotCzarny | because its probably from sdk repo |
| 14:24.07 | KotCzarny | which you should use carefully as it can f*ck up your os |
| 14:24.50 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/ |
| 14:25.00 | KotCzarny | sdk repos are way down |
| 14:25.17 | Petros | weird, i installed it like a month ago |
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| 14:25.25 | KotCzarny | but be cautious what do you install (rootfs space is little) |
| 14:25.56 | Petros | ok i'll switch to my n900 |
| 14:26.07 | Petros | see if things are better over there |
| 14:26.18 | KotCzarny | same story with n900, its not meant to be used to develop direclty |
| 14:26.22 | KotCzarny | but can be done |
| 14:26.31 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/g/gcc-4.2/ |
| 14:26.48 | KotCzarny | you can try installing gcc and other stuff one by one |
| 14:26.55 | Petros | if i got an obsolete linux distro on would it make things easier? |
| 14:26.58 | KotCzarny | but as i said, rootfs space |
| 14:27.04 | Petros | maybe with chroot |
| 14:27.11 | Petros | or to natively boot it |
| 14:27.59 | KotCzarny | i have gcc on both my devices (n800 and n900). it can be done if you know what you are doing and know linux enough |
| 14:28.41 | KotCzarny | but if you want to be safer, install scratchbox and sdk (on pc), or just grab prepared image for virtualbox |
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| 14:30.00 | Petros | while i mess with things around here i'll use this time to say thanks for the help so far :P |
| 14:30.43 | KotCzarny | http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ |
| 14:30.53 | KotCzarny | grab Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 14:30.59 | KotCzarny | and just run it in virtualbox |
| 14:32.48 | Petros | alright, so i'm trying to install the armel versions of gcc on my n900 but i get the incompatible blah blah error |
| 14:32.56 | Petros | however i'm doing it with the applications manager |
| 14:33.02 | Petros | should i use dpkg -i? |
| 14:33.11 | KotCzarny | check free space first |
| 14:33.21 | Petros | i have a lot of that |
| 14:33.34 | KotCzarny | on / ? |
| 14:33.38 | KotCzarny | check again |
| 14:34.18 | Petros | 1,35 GB |
| 14:34.22 | Petros | avaiable |
| 14:34.30 | KotCzarny | you are looking at the wrong place |
| 14:34.40 | KotCzarny | not /opt, but / or rootfs |
| 14:34.49 | KotCzarny | unless you did something to your layout |
| 14:35.10 | Petros | that was under the "memory for installable apps" |
| 14:35.17 | Petros | which i assumed to be / |
| 14:35.24 | KotCzarny | run terminal, do: df |
| 14:35.28 | Petros | since the rest are my sd and the internal memory |
| 14:35.29 | Petros | sec |
| 14:36.23 | KotCzarny | that 1.35GB would be true if those packages were optimized (optified), otherwise if you grab the wrong thing it would go mostly to / |
| 14:36.36 | Petros | guessing it's in kb |
| 14:36.42 | Petros | i have 77mb available |
| 14:37.03 | KotCzarny | should be enough then for experiments, but as i said, keep an eye on it |
| 14:37.16 | Petros | will do |
| 14:37.37 | Petros | so should i try to install them with dpkg or are they actually incompatible? |
| 14:38.17 | KotCzarny | i dont know the actual error, and you seem inexperienced in hacking things |
| 14:38.28 | KotCzarny | if you want to use dpkg, try apt-get install before |
| 14:38.50 | Petros | i am inexperienced but i really want to learn stuff |
| 14:39.06 | Petros | i'm only 20 so i'm hoping i'm not late :P |
| 14:40.19 | KotCzarny | nice thing about n8x0/n900 that even if you do the worst, you can always reflash |
| 14:40.34 | KotCzarny | just make sure you haven't got anything valueable there |
| 14:40.39 | Petros | ikr |
| 14:40.53 | Petros | i've only bricked an htc dream a few years back |
| 14:41.00 | Petros | bad radio flash :P |
| 14:43.55 | Petros | so what knowledge would i need to learn more about "hacking"? |
| 14:44.17 | KotCzarny | mostly about backups, reflashing, installing packages |
| 14:44.27 | KotCzarny | command line too |
| 14:44.32 | KotCzarny | (that's for starters) |
| 14:44.49 | Petros | i think i'm becoming comfortable with these |
| 14:44.58 | Petros | are the rest tools that i need to research? |
| 14:46.09 | KotCzarny | you want hello world first, that means installing gcc at least |
| 14:46.36 | Petros | i'm working on it |
| 14:46.57 | Petros | i may need to reflash, i think i messed my sources up |
| 14:47.33 | Petros | manually adding them with vi is a bitch |
| 14:47.49 | KotCzarny | do you have a pc? |
| 14:47.56 | Petros | on a phone anyway |
| 14:47.57 | KotCzarny | ssh makes it easier |
| 14:48.02 | Petros | aaaaah |
| 14:48.05 | Petros | forgot aboutit |
| 14:48.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:48.14 | Petros | lol |
| 14:48.49 | Petros | is the name openssh? |
| 14:49.06 | KotCzarny | apt-cache search ssh |
| 14:49.46 | Petros | yep |
| 14:49.56 | Petros | it says it had trouble processing catblock |
| 14:50.13 | KotCzarny | apt-get remove catblock ? |
| 14:50.38 | Petros | done |
| 14:50.41 | Petros | retryibg' |
| 14:50.45 | Petros | retrying* |
| 14:50.58 | Petros | oh |
| 14:51.03 | Petros | it can't remove it |
| 14:51.34 | Petros | subprocess post-installation script > exit status 2 |
| 14:51.35 | KotCzarny | you can paste the output to pastebin.com or something |
| 14:51.56 | Petros | oh |
| 14:52.29 | Petros | unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory |
| 14:53.21 | Petros | same thing with apt-get install -f |
| 14:53.25 | Petros | tries to configure catblock |
| 14:54.01 | KotCzarny | you can try dpkg -r catblock |
| 14:55.02 | Petros | same thing only it also gives a similar error while trying to execute a pre-removal script |
| 14:56.18 | KotCzarny | apt-get install --reinstall catblock ? |
| 14:56.58 | Petros | same |
| 14:57.24 | Petros | what about booting to a linux distro? |
| 14:57.36 | Petros | like arch or ubuntu or something |
| 14:57.45 | KotCzarny | figure which file it whines about and add it as an empty script |
| 14:57.54 | KotCzarny | i think there was easydebian |
| 14:58.12 | Petros | wouldn't that waste too much ram |
| 14:58.21 | KotCzarny | and booting other linux distros usually means losing telephony features |
| 14:58.22 | Petros | having maemo run in the background alL THAT |
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| 14:58.51 | Petros | yeah |
| 14:59.09 | Petros | i would like to work on that sometime |
| 14:59.15 | Petros | getting stuff like that to work |
| 14:59.27 | Petros | though it must sound ridiculous coming from me :P |
| 14:59.32 | KotCzarny | fixing things is a great opportunity to learn |
| 15:01.12 | Pali | freemangordon: fixed and pushed to github & cssu-devel |
| 15:04.09 | Petros | do you have anything to suggest to broaden my knowledge? |
| 15:04.24 | Petros | to be more comfortable or learn more about hacking and all that? |
| 15:04.57 | KotCzarny | learn the command line and the package management first |
| 15:05.15 | Petros | you mean how to use dpkg and apt? |
| 15:05.27 | KotCzarny | that too |
| 15:05.39 | Petros | what more is there? |
| 15:05.53 | KotCzarny | knowing how it works |
| 15:06.44 | Petros | so read the manuals? |
| 15:06.57 | Petros | or find the sources and understand them? |
| 15:07.04 | KotCzarny | manuals |
| 15:07.09 | KotCzarny | and google |
| 15:07.17 | Petros | phew |
| 15:07.19 | KotCzarny | start with that catblock |
| 15:07.43 | KotCzarny | make it your homework #1 |
| 15:07.59 | Petros | noted |
| 15:08.06 | Petros | once i'm done? |
| 15:08.30 | KotCzarny | install gcc and friends |
| 15:08.53 | Petros | so fight i will |
| 15:08.56 | Petros | no reflashing |
| 15:09.15 | KotCzarny | if it takes more than 3 days, reflash and grab the virtualbox image |
| 15:10.28 | Petros | gotcha |
| 15:10.34 | Petros | who's my next enemy? |
| 15:11.12 | KotCzarny | who knows |
| 15:11.31 | Petros | :P |
| 15:11.40 | KotCzarny | bbl |
| 15:12.15 | Petros | k |
| 15:13.26 | sixwheeledbeast | what is catblock? |
| 15:13.42 | Petros | that's what i'll be learning! :P |
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| 15:57.38 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: Do You have a deb pkg 4 xvkbd? |
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| 16:23.42 | KotCzarny | sunshavi: probably, let me find it |
| 16:38.37 | KotCzarny | sunshavi: i've attached the files to the first post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=18621 |
| 16:38.49 | KotCzarny | drat, he left |
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| 17:21.31 | Petros | hello i'm back |
| 17:21.50 | kerio | hi back, i'm kerio |
| 17:21.52 | kerio | huehuehuehuehue |
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| 17:22.04 | Petros | nyoooooooo |
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| 17:22.08 | Petros | y u do dis |
| 17:26.46 | bencoh | -_- |
| 17:27.33 | kerio | aeuhauehuaheuhaeuae |
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| 18:27.08 | sixwheeledbeast | there's two people gone today... |
| 18:28.34 | bencoh | ? |
| 18:29.44 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: thanks. I got the files |
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| 18:39.24 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: it works, probably i would like not to have numpad, and bigger keys :) |
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| 19:32.31 | KotCzarny | sunshavi: its fully configurable |
| 19:32.34 | KotCzarny | you can do both |
| 19:32.58 | KotCzarny | you can change the layout as you want and you can change the def sizes in config files |
| 19:50.55 | sunshavi | great, let's do it then ;) |
| 19:51.58 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: xvkdb, could a replacement 4 not hildonizing emacs yet |
| 20:05.16 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: what is "Com\nPose" for? |
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| 20:18.40 | Oksanaa | By the way, after I uninstalled wireshark, there was still /opt/maemo/usr/lib/wireshark/ directory with 20+MB. Is it just me, or does it need better clean-up postrm scripts? |
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| 20:31.15 | KotCzarny | sunshavi: dont remember all the linux/xorg key functions |
| 20:31.29 | KotCzarny | probably something like altgr on windows |
| 20:35.51 | sunshavi | ok |
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