| 00:06.44 | jonwil | anyone know which part of the system detects connect/disconnect of the USB plug or charger and tells the rest of the system? |
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| 00:28.56 | jonwil | ~reois' |
| 00:28.58 | jonwil | ~repos |
| 00:28.58 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
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| 02:56.49 | jonwil | damn, where is a kernel guy when ya need em? :P |
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| 06:46.26 | jonwil | is depressed because of the problems with his beloved N900 :( |
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| 08:01.18 | Luke-Jr | jonwil: I do have an extra N900 that I may be willing to part with as soon as I get a Pyra. |
| 08:01.30 | jonwil | Pyra is? |
| 08:01.52 | jonwil | I am not yet convinced my phone is beyond hope of recovery |
| 08:04.07 | Luke-Jr | jonwil: Pyra is clamshell OMAP 5 w/ 2 GB RAM, 4G, etc http://www.pyra-handheld.com/ |
| 08:05.31 | jonwil | neat |
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| 08:47.05 | jonwil | At least I have basically all the stuff I needed to restore after my reflash earlier back where I need it |
| 08:57.02 | Maxdamantus | jonwil: if you're always getting into the act-dead state, maybe simply removing the special behaviour for that condition in the relevant init script could help? |
| 08:57.50 | jonwil | I dont think its even getting to act-dead state, its nolo going into nolo-emergency-charge state |
| 08:58.01 | jonwil | which is what it normally does first thing it powers up with a cable connected |
| 08:58.07 | Maxdamantus | disabled that check on his phone, because it was also the part that decided to shut the phone down again if the poweron wasn't due to pressing the power button or something. |
| 08:58.17 | Maxdamantus | Ah. |
| 09:00.02 | jonwil | Right now I am running another "lets empty the phone battery" learn pass because I think bq27200 chip may still not have proper rated capacity of battery |
| 09:01.02 | jonwil | So once this thing drains to empty I will know for sure if 1446mAh is actually the maximum capacity of the battery or not |
| 09:05.04 | kerio | oh, i should do a calibration run myself |
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| 09:12.36 | jonwil | found a nice solitare game for the N900 :) |
| 09:20.28 | bencoh | jonwil: does it work now? |
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| 09:23.56 | jonwil | what is it with the general instability of freenode as of late... |
| 09:24.30 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm I agree, prolly some DoS attack |
| 09:28.22 | sixwheeledbeast | jonwil: have you solved your N900 mystery? |
| 09:28.41 | jonwil | nope, its still acting weird unfortunately :* |
| 09:28.43 | jonwil | :( |
| 09:29.21 | bencoh | :/ |
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| 09:29.55 | sixwheeledbeast | It did originally sound like a faulty battery but as you say that flag doesn't seem right. |
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| 09:31.52 | jonwil | Anyhow, right now I am going to let this battery drain to auto-power-off then see what happens when I plug it in |
| 09:34.10 | jonwil | see what bq27200.sh then thinks the capacity is |
| 09:35.18 | bencoh | you dont run stock bme, do you? |
| 09:35.39 | jonwil | I do, why? |
| 09:35.53 | jonwil | stock bme, stock kernel |
| 09:36.01 | jonwil | stock nolo obviously |
| 09:36.34 | sixwheeledbeast | my /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger certainly works as expected 1 for charger connected. |
| 09:36.48 | jonwil | and 0 for disconnected charger? |
| 09:36.49 | bencoh | you'll probably have to turn it off if you want to go through a full discharge/calib cycle |
| 09:42.43 | jonwil | Essentially the main wtf with this problem is the way nolo starts up, sees that part of the circuitry says "hey, charger connected" and starts in nolo-special-charging-mode before seeing from another part of the circuitry "hey, no juice is comming from the USB port" and shutting down |
| 09:42.44 | sixwheeledbeast | jonwil: yes 0 for disconnected |
| 09:44.26 | bencoh | jonwil: everything "works" if you plug usb in? |
| 09:45.01 | jonwil | If I plug in USB or charger, the phone goes into nolo-special-charging-mode which then says "hey, enough charge in the battery to boot kernel" |
| 09:45.07 | jonwil | and that then boots into actdead |
| 09:45.18 | jonwil | and of course from there if I press power it goes into full boot |
| 09:45.56 | bencoh | and what if you remove usb once booted? |
| 09:46.23 | jonwil | If I remove usb, charging light stays going (full green or flashing orange as appropriate) |
| 09:46.45 | bencoh | and /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger shows 1? |
| 09:46.47 | jonwil | yes |
| 09:46.49 | jonwil | it does show 1 |
| 09:46.56 | bencoh | hmmm |
| 09:50.57 | sixwheeledbeast | how about /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode ? |
| 09:51.53 | jonwil | right now it shows b_idle because its not connected to anything and charger is somehow at 0 |
| 09:52.11 | jonwil | but when its in the bogus "thinks its charging but isn't" mode I dont know |
| 09:52.21 | sixwheeledbeast | should be idle on charger and peripheral on USB |
| 09:53.54 | jonwil | so b_idle is correct for "nothing plugged in"? |
| 09:55.46 | jonwil | oh and how do I disable BME if I wanted to do that (for my discharge/calib cycle) |
| 09:55.58 | jonwil | right now I have VDQ at 1 |
| 09:56.05 | jonwil | so its properly learning |
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| 09:57.49 | bencoh | as simple as "stop bme" afair |
| 09:59.17 | sixwheeledbeast | jonwil: yes idle on both charger and nothing here |
| 10:04.11 | jonwil | as long as I dont go anywhere where I need to power my phone off and then turn it back on later (and where I wont have power available to turn it back on) for the short term at least it does work. |
| 10:04.54 | jonwil | The bad thing is that I will be flying on an airplane in a few weeks |
| 10:05.39 | jonwil | and airplanes are one of those few places where you actually need to turn the phone off rather than just having it on silent/non-distracting (like you would at, say, a movie theater) |
| 10:06.36 | sixwheeledbeast | airplane mode? |
| 10:07.09 | jonwil | not sure airplane mode is allowed during takeoff and landing |
| 10:08.06 | sixwheeledbeast | I don't see why not, that's the point of it surely. I was under the impression it's best to have your device on. |
| 10:08.27 | jonwil | anyhow its not for weeks yet, anything can happen |
| 10:08.29 | jonwil | maybe I fix my phone |
| 10:08.34 | jonwil | maybe I get a new N900 somehow |
| 10:08.58 | sixwheeledbeast | This is so airport don't thing you are using it to smuggle something nasty on. |
| 10:09.06 | sixwheeledbeast | s/thing/think/ |
| 10:09.28 | jonwil | this is Australia and its a domestic flight |
| 10:09.32 | jonwil | the rules are different |
| 10:10.04 | jonwil | although last time I flew, I had the phone on when I went through security (not that anyone cared) and turned it off before boarding |
| 10:10.57 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 10:11.31 | sixwheeledbeast | I can understand domestic would be different over there. |
| 10:12.01 | jonwil | they even largely did away with the checkin desks |
| 10:12.23 | jonwil | you walk up to a kiosk, enter in your booking number etc and it spits out a boarding pass and bag tags |
| 10:12.48 | jonwil | you then put the tags on your luggage and take it to a bag-drop station |
| 10:13.13 | jonwil | that reads the bag tag, weighs the bag and sends it into the bowels of the airport somewhere |
| 10:14.03 | jonwil | hmmm, it looks like my wl1251-cal clone is broken, the mac address of my WiFi card (as set by the wl1251-cal clone) is wrong |
| 10:14.12 | sixwheeledbeast | Well it's not exactly easy driving from one side to the other so I understand the popularity in domestic flights. |
| 10:15.10 | sixwheeledbeast | and the requirement to make them less hassle |
| 10:16.24 | jonwil | This flight I will be taking is somewhere around 5-6 hours |
| 10:16.35 | jonwil | thankfully I will be taking some nice books to read :) |
| 10:16.49 | jonwil | since the in-flight stuff on the airline I am flying sucks |
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| 10:45.36 | KotCzarny | jonwil, you might try flashing stock and see if it fixes your troubles anyhow |
| 10:45.47 | jonwil | tried a reflash this morning |
| 10:45.50 | jonwil | no go |
| 10:45.51 | KotCzarny | but i bet on the stuck bits in the battery controller |
| 10:46.07 | KotCzarny | or in the usb logic somewhere |
| 10:46.20 | KotCzarny | hardware dies sometimes |
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| 10:47.57 | jonwil | I just hope it doesn't die to the point where it becomes unusable anymore and I need a new phone (if I cant get a N900 I would have to buy something crap like a Samsung Galaxy) |
| 10:48.50 | jonwil | Although as long as I live I will never spend a cent of my own money on any products made by companies with pieces of fruit as logos |
| 10:48.52 | KotCzarny | start looking for second hand deals |
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| 10:49.11 | jonwil | well I dont know for sure the thing is dead yet :) |
| 10:49.22 | KotCzarny | you could use a devel spare, right? |
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| 10:49.41 | KotCzarny | and once (and if) it dies, you will be ready |
| 10:51.07 | Maxdamantus | Just wrap it in aluminium foil (or tinfoil as I suspect it's also called in Australia). |
| 10:51.14 | Maxdamantus | The guys at the scanners will understand. |
| 10:51.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 10:58.53 | freemangordon | jonwil: does it make sense to RE Harmattan AEP, instead of Fremantle? |
| 11:00.01 | jonwil | Have a look and see if the code looks similar enough |
| 11:00.21 | freemangordon | it looks totally different |
| 11:00.43 | freemangordon | but it is supposed to do the same |
| 11:00.54 | freemangordon | unless I miss something |
| 11:01.38 | jonwil | It might not be doing the same thing since all the hardware on N9[50] is different to N900 |
| 11:02.02 | freemangordon | what I think is - in Fremantle we have a GP voice audio processing executable (init_main()), of which only a small part is used |
| 11:02.26 | freemangordon | while on Harm we have only the used parts, implemented with some other code |
| 11:02.47 | freemangordon | well, IIRC phone functionality was working on Meego DE |
| 11:03.01 | jonwil | anyhow, its up to you what you want to do |
| 11:03.17 | jonwil | See how the parameter files compare between Harmattan and Fremantle |
| 11:03.27 | jonwil | i.e. the stuff that tells eap exactly what to do |
| 11:03.36 | freemangordon | do we have meego DE parameter files? |
| 11:04.17 | freemangordon | hmm, I have the image |
| 11:07.56 | jonwil | hmmm, seems like wl1251-cal clone isn't broken after all, its just acting weird and isn't properly running sometimes |
| 11:10.01 | jonwil | aha, I see whats going wrong |
| 11:14.59 | jonwil | or not |
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| 11:49.46 | jonwil | so no I am no closer to figuring out why my wl1251-cal clone sometimes acts weird |
| 11:50.15 | KotCzarny | maybe whole device got fried a bit |
| 11:50.22 | jonwil | nope, stock wl1251-cal works |
| 11:50.29 | jonwil | so its something werid in my clone |
| 11:50.46 | jonwil | lets just switch back to stock wl1251-cal, I dont need to run my clone reaslly |
| 11:50.58 | jonwil | I was only running it because hey I cloned it so lets run it :P |
| 11:52.05 | jonwil | I also note that my clone picked "US" for regulatory domain but stock binary seemed to pick "EU" |
| 11:52.22 | jonwil | probably because my clone gets it from cal but stock gets it from somewhere else |
| 11:52.39 | jonwil | actually I think stock uses mobile network mcc |
| 11:53.27 | KotCzarny | could be user settable, but most likely its the one that also sets default device language/region |
| 11:54.53 | jonwil | the one in cal is specifically labeled wlan-channel |
| 11:55.02 | jonwil | and on my phone it says fcc/us |
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| 11:55.58 | KotCzarny | ie. factory chip setting vs firmware region |
| 11:56.44 | jonwil | my clone uses the value set in cal (set by factory to fcc/us in my case) |
| 11:57.19 | jonwil | but the stock wl1251-cal gets mobile network mcc from cellular modem |
| 11:57.41 | jonwil | then uses a list of specific country codes to determine what regulatory domain to use |
| 11:58.18 | KotCzarny | but if uses selects for example australia in the welcom screen? |
| 11:58.42 | KotCzarny | it gets saved, then used by wl1251-cal? |
| 11:59.32 | jonwil | nope |
| 11:59.49 | jonwil | wl1251-cal specifically asks the cellular services daemon for the current mobile country code |
| 11:59.55 | jonwil | and uses that to ID the wifi reguatory domain |
| 12:00.03 | jonwil | stock that is |
| 12:00.13 | jonwil | probably the correct way to do it since you want the regulatory domain for the country the user is in at that time |
| 12:00.22 | jonwil | not some other country |
| 12:00.30 | KotCzarny | but if one never enables cellular? |
| 12:01.03 | KotCzarny | or modem gets broken? |
| 12:01.53 | jonwil | I believe it picks "US" by default |
| 12:02.01 | jonwil | rather than "EU" |
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| 12:07.23 | jonwil | the counties that are considered as "US" by mobile country code seem to be canada, usa, guam, taiwan, brazil, argentina, mexico and colombia |
| 12:07.36 | jonwil | all the other country codes other than the ones in its hardcoded list will make it pick "E" |
| 12:07.38 | jonwil | "EU" |
| 12:08.09 | jonwil | and of course if there are country codes for any of those countries that maemo doesn't know about (USA in particular has a lot of valid country codes) then it will pick EU as well |
| 12:08.39 | jonwil | but hey, I decided to stop caring so much and just run stock rather than try and figure out why my clone wont always set mac address correctly |
| 12:09.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 12:22.46 | jonwil | the other thing owning a N900 has taught me is just how much I totally SUCK at chess |
| 12:22.54 | jonwil | Even on easy I get beaten every tim |
| 12:22.55 | Wizzup | hah |
| 12:22.55 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 12:22.56 | jonwil | time |
| 12:23.13 | KotCzarny | still, its better to have challenge |
| 12:24.37 | jonwil | seems like chess engine is just gnuchess |
| 12:26.03 | jonwil | the chess UI is FOSS too which is nice :) |
| 12:26.41 | jonwil | seems like the sounds and graphics are nokia-closed though (makes sense, nokia probably made those :) |
| 12:28.14 | jonwil | freemangordon: I will leave nokia-voice alone until you give me something more I can do on it :) |
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| 13:47.43 | jonwil | ~sb |
| 13:47.43 | infobot | [scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 13:50.27 | jonwil | freemangordon: ping |
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| 16:51.29 | kerio | holy shit my battery is like 1.2Ah |
| 16:51.32 | kerio | it used to be 1.4 |
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| 17:01.27 | KotCzarny | life |
| 17:01.35 | KotCzarny | original? |
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| 17:36.07 | kerio | KotCzarny: no, some weird chinese battery with an orange label and no discernible brand |
| 17:36.22 | kerio | although to be fair it's winter |
| 17:36.27 | KotCzarny | expected then |
| 17:36.31 | KotCzarny | (being chinese) |
| 17:36.37 | kerio | no no it used to be 1.4 |
| 17:36.40 | kerio | this battery is legit |
| 17:37.27 | KotCzarny | on of the few symptoms is losing capacity faster |
| 17:38.18 | kerio | u shut up |
| 17:38.22 | kerio | :< |
| 17:38.34 | KotCzarny | it wont help your battery |
| 17:38.35 | kerio | this is the little battery that could |
| 17:39.00 | kerio | i dunno man i think i'll have to switch to android at some point in the future |
| 17:39.06 | KotCzarny | no, this is the bastard made using cheap labor and thrown into the wild |
| 17:39.25 | KotCzarny | still, i love my n900 |
| 17:39.46 | kerio | KotCzarny: because nokia batteries are made with organic, free-range chinese labor |
| 17:39.52 | kerio | right |
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| 17:40.32 | KotCzarny | nope, similar cheap labor, but with better paid workoverseers |
| 17:40.48 | KotCzarny | also known as pen masters |
| 17:41.12 | KotCzarny | in another news, oscp effects rock |
| 17:41.30 | KotCzarny | would be great to know dsp magic :/ |
| 17:49.20 | Sicelo | switching to android because of battery? :p |
| 17:50.33 | KotCzarny | if one just does phoning and not much more, battery life would be deciding factor :P |
| 17:52.41 | erlehmann | interestingly enough, i have the impression that android uses battery much faster |
| 17:52.48 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:52.57 | erlehmann | i can leave my n900 accidentally logged in on IRC the night and it will not discharge |
| 17:53.03 | KotCzarny | displaying ads is no trivial bussiness! |
| 17:53.05 | erlehmann | ahaha |
| 17:53.06 | erlehmann | :D |
| 17:53.22 | KotCzarny | also perpetual collection of user data |
| 17:53.52 | KotCzarny | most 'free' aps on droid just suck ads all the time |
| 17:54.04 | KotCzarny | which results in bettery drain |
| 17:54.27 | KotCzarny | most likely with wifi/data disabled it could get decent battery life |
| 17:54.39 | erlehmann | ah |
| 17:57.23 | KotCzarny | now, show me any ads supported app for n900 |
| 18:01.23 | M4rtinK2 | I think this is quite overlooked but very important point in favor of Maemo and also Sailfish OS |
| 18:01.25 | M4rtinK2 | no adds |
| 18:01.38 | M4rtinK2 | I sometimes come to contact with Android devices |
| 18:01.47 | M4rtinK2 | and the adds everywhere are disgusting |
| 18:02.13 | M4rtinK2 | not to mention distracting and making the already small screen less usable |
| 18:04.15 | KotCzarny | when i use apps on droid i try to disable all data before |
| 18:05.18 | KotCzarny | this usually gets rid of all ads |
| 18:06.10 | KotCzarny | but some kids apps REQUIRE data connection even if app doesnt really need one, and exiting if there is connectivity problems |
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| 18:49.34 | erlehmann | KotCzarny kids apps? |
| 18:49.52 | KotCzarny | thos hundreds megs game apps |
| 18:49.56 | KotCzarny | *those |
| 18:52.31 | kerio | hearthstone is over a gb i think |
| 18:52.32 | kerio | maybe not |
| 18:52.32 | erlehmann | i have no idea what app you mean |
| 18:52.43 | erlehmann | incidentally, i do not play hearthstone |
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| 18:52.54 | KotCzarny | i do not use those apps neither |
| 18:52.55 | kerio | yep, 1.03gb |
| 18:52.55 | erlehmann | but have a lot of magic the gathering cards lying on my gfs bed right now :d |
| 18:52.59 | erlehmann | :D |
| 18:53.05 | KotCzarny | but doing family support i know about them |
| 18:53.09 | erlehmann | we played cube yesterday http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/notes/mtg-pauper-cube.html |
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| 19:22.33 | jonwil | ok, looks like "last measured discharge" is now reading 1486mAh after that last drain |
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