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| 01:52.06 | Luke-Jr | FWIW, I got my USB cable snagged and the cable broke instead of the N900 :D |
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| 06:49.46 | Sicelo | Luke-Jr: lucky :) |
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| 07:44.49 | Luke-Jr | Sicelo: well, I did pre-solder it down, so it may be more "good job" than luck XD |
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| 08:02.28 | Sicelo | Luke-Jr: lucky :) |
| 08:02.28 | Sicelo | haha, sorry .. backsrolled |
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| 08:16.11 | Sicelo | so trouble in Jolla-land it seems :/ |
| 08:17.06 | Humpelstilzchen | <--ordered a tablet :( |
| 08:20.47 | Sicelo | i have never really followed Jolla news (because i knew i didn't afford it). why did stskeeps leave? |
| 08:20.48 | jonwil | wonders if there is anyone left in this community that understands the mysteries of the battery and charger logic in the N900 |
| 08:20.49 | KotCzarny | jonwil, isnt bme replacement already written? |
| 08:20.51 | jonwil | bme replacement needs new kernel and I dont want to run new kernel if there is a solution to my battery wierdness that doesn't require doing so |
| 08:21.17 | KotCzarny | jonwil, what new kernel? |
| 08:21.18 | KotCzarny | its still 2.6.28 afair |
| 08:21.50 | Sicelo | jonwil: pali? |
| 08:21.51 | Sicelo | and DocScrutinizer05 |
| 08:21.51 | Sicelo | what battery weirdness by the way? |
| 08:22.16 | jonwil | new in the sense that AFAIK its been modified from the stock N900 kernel |
| 08:22.17 | KotCzarny | and what is exactly problem with that? |
| 08:23.31 | jonwil | for some reason whatever BME does to say "hey, the charger isn't plugged in any more, switch indications from "charging" to "discharging" isn't being sent |
| 08:23.32 | KotCzarny | you mean stuck orange? |
| 08:24.01 | jonwil | stuck orange flashing |
| 08:24.02 | KotCzarny | yeah, happens sometimes |
| 08:24.02 | jonwil | I have my N900 sitting on my desk in front of me with nothing at all plugged into the USB port and the LED is flashing orange |
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| 08:24.03 | jonwil | and the battery status bar widget is stuck in animating mode |
| 08:24.39 | KotCzarny | i usually just reboot |
| 08:24.39 | jonwil | It happened earlier today too in that it stayed stuck green |
| 08:25.20 | KotCzarny | but i dont know if cssu fixed it (my main n900 is still with the stock fremantle) |
| 08:25.38 | jonwil | ok, now this is VERY wierd |
| 08:25.54 | jonwil | I just powered it off and its powered down |
| 08:26.24 | KotCzarny | still charging? ;) |
| 08:27.43 | jonwil | now when I hold the power button to power it up, the screen displays the nokia logo in that "very dim" state it displays in nolo-emergency-charge mode and then a second or so later the status LED goes bright yellow then fades out |
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| 08:30.27 | jonwil | I just cant get my phone to boot at all with no charger plugged in |
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| 08:30.33 | KotCzarny | remove battery, wait 10s, reboot? |
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| 08:31.38 | jonwil | nope, no go, same thing |
| 08:32.27 | KotCzarny | treat as flatbat? |
| 08:32.27 | KotCzarny | ~flatbat |
| 08:32.28 | KotCzarny | ~ping |
| 08:32.28 | infobot | 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss |
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| 08:33.48 | jonwil | If I have the charger plugged in and I put in the battery, it powers up in actdead mode |
| 08:33.49 | jonwil | then boots to normal mode if I press power |
| 08:33.50 | jonwil | It seems like something is causing the phone to think a charger is plugged in when its not |
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| 08:36.59 | jonwil | time for a post on tmo, maybe someone will know whats going on |
| 08:38.49 | Sicelo | check syslog too, and hoping you don't have hw defect |
| 08:41.10 | jonwil | I dont have syslog installed |
| 08:42.47 | jonwil | nothing battery related in dmesg |
| 08:42.48 | jonwil | aha, lets see what happens if pull out my usb cable and plug my N900 into my PC |
| 08:43.23 | jonwil | ok, that gives me the usual choices of mass storage and PC suite |
| 08:43.35 | jonwil | so its picking up that the cable was plugged in |
| 08:43.58 | jonwil | hildon-status-bar-usb displays the correct things too |
| 08:44.40 | jonwil | ok, it correctly recognized the USB cable was disconnected and that there is no longer a cable plugged in |
| 08:45.05 | jonwil | and its not displaying the "charging" indicator it was when the USB cable was connected to my PC |
| 08:45.05 | jonwil | now lets see what happens if I try a restart |
| 08:46.14 | KotCzarny | -2 in int is 0xfffffffd ? |
| 08:46.39 | jonwil | no, 0xFFFFFFFE is -2 |
| 08:46.54 | KotCzarny | uhum |
| 08:47.04 | jonwil | 0xFFFFFFFD is -3 |
| 08:47.25 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: you cannot depend on anything specific there, it's undefined |
| 08:47.26 | Luke-Jr | unless you mean specifically on N900, but that's just bad code <.< |
| 08:47.36 | KotCzarny | different question then, if i wanted to clear second bit will this do: val=val&0xfffffffd ? |
| 08:47.49 | KotCzarny | (ints) |
| 08:48.13 | Luke-Jr | â¦no |
| 08:48.27 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: note that ints do not have a well-defined width |
| 08:48.31 | KotCzarny | are there standard setbit/clearbit/checkbit funcs? |
| 08:48.35 | Luke-Jr | they may be 16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit, or larger |
| 08:48.35 | jonwil | You want val=val&~2 |
| 08:48.41 | jonwil | that will clear bit 2 |
| 08:48.45 | KotCzarny | jonwil: thanks |
| 08:48.53 | jonwil | assuming this is C code |
| 08:48.55 | jonwil | or C++ |
| 08:49.09 | Luke-Jr | ^ +1 |
| 08:49.12 | KotCzarny | c |
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| 08:49.45 | jonwil | ok, so something is definatly wrong with this phone, nothing I do gets it to boot up from power off state with no USB cable plugged in |
| 08:49.47 | Luke-Jr | btw, using &~2 will clear the bit with value 2, not bit in position 2 |
| 08:49.56 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 08:50.25 | Luke-Jr | if you want the bit in position 2, you need &~(1<<2) or &~(1<<(2-1)) depending on 0-based or 1-based |
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| 08:50.45 | Luke-Jr | unless you're counting bits from the other side of the number, in which case .. have fun :/ |
| 08:50.56 | KotCzarny | i'll just use ~2 |
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| 08:51.53 | Sicelo | jonwil: 0.o ... it doesn't boot with power button when nothing's connected? |
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| 09:38.00 | jonwil | posted to tmo about my wierd powerup/charging/etc issues |
| 09:38.01 | jonwil | lets hope someone can find an answer beyond "your phone is screwed" |
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| 10:07.15 | KotCzarny | huh, n900@500mhz is too slow for earwax |
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| 10:09.05 | KotCzarny | which weirdly as it is is just 64 multiplies every sample |
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| 10:13.42 | jonwil | it really is a pitty Pali seems to have left the community, he was the one who knows about bq27200 charger chip and how all that stuff works |
| 10:13.55 | KotCzarny | pali didnt left the community |
| 10:14.16 | KotCzarny | unless you know something i dont |
| 10:15.29 | jonwil | maybe he hasn't left but he hasn't been around in ages |
| 10:15.37 | KotCzarny | ~seen pali |
| 10:15.39 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #neo900, 23d 10h 43m 5s ago, saying: 'campaign for what?'. |
| 10:15.47 | jonwil | see, 23 days since last seen |
| 10:15.52 | jonwil | that counts as "AWOL" in my book :P |
| 10:15.57 | KotCzarny | might be work/vacations :P |
| 10:16.01 | jonwil | maybe |
| 10:16.16 | jonwil | and yeah trying pali-bme-replacement as a possible solution to my issues is out since it does need a new kernel |
| 10:16.19 | KotCzarny | still, he didnt say anything about dropping maemo/n9x |
| 10:16.43 | jonwil | and I dont want to run kernel-power or kernel-cssu or kernel-bme or whatever the hell it is these day that you need |
| 10:16.44 | jonwil | days |
| 10:17.14 | KotCzarny | jonwil, you should update to cssu anyway |
| 10:17.21 | KotCzarny | most of work is done there |
| 10:17.32 | jonwil | yeah I am running most of the cssu work |
| 10:17.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:17.54 | jonwil | not everything (i.e. not kernel) but most of it |
| 10:18.14 | KotCzarny | btw. are you good at optimizing code? maybe mmx/sse/neon wizard? |
| 10:18.28 | jonwil | I dont know anything about mme/sse/neon |
| 10:18.54 | KotCzarny | i have small function that i need speeding up for n900 |
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| 10:48.54 | Sicelo | did freenode make some statement regarding these splits? |
| 10:49.18 | KotCzarny | not via notice |
| 10:51.00 | Sicelo | i didn't think there would be pirate activators for Windows 10, given how it works |
| 10:51.13 | KotCzarny | who would want win10 anyway? |
| 10:51.20 | KotCzarny | it's spyware/adware |
| 10:52.14 | Sicelo | the people for whom computing == microsoft windows + microsoft office |
| 10:52.28 | KotCzarny | um, xp is enough for that i guess |
| 10:53.51 | Sicelo | in any case, i'm guess it is more risky using cracked windows 10 given the amount of spy data it keeps sending to M$ |
| 10:54.42 | jon_y | MS would be happy for you to pirate win10 |
| 10:54.48 | jon_y | they still get data |
| 10:54.58 | jon_y | and keep their market share |
| 10:55.01 | KotCzarny | true that |
| 10:55.11 | KotCzarny | userbase ftw |
| 10:55.25 | Sicelo | they need/want revenue .. they haven't become a charity yet |
| 10:55.32 | KotCzarny | it makes institutions consider it as viable platform |
| 10:56.01 | kerio | you can get a "legit" w10 license tied to your hardware if you activate windows 7 and then upgrade to 10 |
| 10:56.11 | kerio | at that point you can do a clean w10 install and you still keep the license |
| 10:56.21 | Sicelo | yes |
| 10:56.23 | kerio | it even works if you're moving from a bios to a uefi install |
| 10:56.29 | kerio | ...OR SO I HEARD |
| 10:56.36 | Sicelo | i'm talking about someone with no license at all |
| 10:58.16 | KotCzarny | i practically use windows for gaming only |
| 11:02.39 | kerio | Sicelo: yes |
| 11:02.45 | kerio | """activate""" windows 7 |
| 11:02.49 | kerio | with loader by daz |
| 11:04.15 | KotCzarny | oh, notice from freenoce |
| 11:04.21 | KotCzarny | ddos on the go |
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| 11:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ mquin |
| 11:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | things the world doesn't need: http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/26/scientists-create-gold-nuggets-that-are-98-percent-air |
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| 11:20.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the raspberry pi zero is 5$ |
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| 14:51.27 | yddd | ~flashing |
| 14:51.27 | infobot | i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
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| 15:51.52 | ro9u3or | ive been having problems accessing the repository for the N900, Im wondering if it is posible to add the repository's to the local SD of the tablet making it more easily accessible |
| 15:52.03 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 15:52.32 | KotCzarny | ~apt-mirror |
| 15:52.36 | KotCzarny | ~aptmirror |
| 15:52.49 | KotCzarny | anyway. google for apt-mirror |
| 15:52.54 | ro9u3or | ty |
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| 17:00.19 | KotCzarny | wow, usb fm transmitter dongle costs ~30usd, one can have whole n900 for that price |
| 17:01.13 | sunshavi | mmm, that price is excellent but not here en south america |
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| 17:01.54 | Sicelo | :D |
| 17:02.11 | KotCzarny | well, still, it's amazing comparison |
| 17:02.23 | KotCzarny | i wonder what would be the price to produce n900 today |
| 17:02.42 | KotCzarny | (with similar specs/features) |
| 17:02.56 | Sicelo | 13:02 < kerio> Sicelo: yes |
| 17:02.56 | Sicelo | 13:02 < kerio> """activate""" windows 7 |
| 17:02.56 | Sicelo | 13:02 < kerio> with loader by daz |
| 17:03.41 | Sicelo | i wonder about this ... obviously M$ should be able to tell if it was a pirate activation or not |
| 17:03.59 | kerio | and yet |
| 17:04.20 | KotCzarny | sicelo, keep in mind when they went too nazi, many corporate vendors had user troubles |
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| 17:05.25 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: right, sw would be an issue, my difficult issue with n900 is the lcd screen, It has been broken 2 times |
| 17:05.41 | Sicelo | W10 also not allowing people to install pirate games .... sounds very risky to run a pirate activation then. |
| 17:06.07 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: right now is still broken. I have a permanent bluetooth nap connection enabled on n800, and control it with shortcuts |
| 17:06.11 | Sicelo | anyway maybe just FUD ... but i won't test this with my IP :) |
| 17:06.23 | Sicelo | sunshavi: that's nice :) |
| 17:06.27 | KotCzarny | sunshavi: you should be more careful, maybe buy a case? |
| 17:06.29 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: sorry n900 |
| 17:07.21 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: not easy to get a case here. It is like tony stark with making his suit on afganistan :p |
| 17:07.29 | KotCzarny | make one? |
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| 17:09.03 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: mmm, I have never thought about it. That would be a great project. On my todo list for n900 is making an audio menu on emacs for making calls, when no computer near me. It happens a lot of times. When travelling to visit my parents |
| 17:09.40 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: btw, emacs on n900 and tinyCC too |
| 17:09.46 | Sicelo | if i were to make one i'd make it cp-408 look-alike. love that case, but was never sold SA side :( |
| 17:10.18 | sunshavi | Sicelo: I have never heard of it, I am going to take notes, thanks |
| 17:10.20 | kerio | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 17:10.27 | KotCzarny | i just put it in the side pocket of my backpack |
| 17:10.38 | BluesLee_ | !seen DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:10.49 | KotCzarny | blueslee: its ~ |
| 17:11.04 | BluesLee_ | thanks |
| 17:11.32 | BluesLee_ | ~seen DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:11.33 | infobot | docscrutinizer05 is currently on #n9 (5h 1m 38s) #qi-hardware (5h 1m 38s) #maemo (5h 1m 38s) #harmattan (5h 1m 38s) #openmoko-cdevel (5h 1m 38s) #infobot (5h 1m 38s) #openmoko (5h 1m 38s) #neo900 (5h 1m 38s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 4h 22m 26s, last said: '~+uptime'. |
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| 17:21.43 | KotCzarny | hi pali, jonwil was missing you greatly |
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| 17:23.40 | Pali | KotCzarny: hi |
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| 21:10.17 | KotCzarny | jonwil: pali is alive |
| 21:11.08 | jonwil | :) |
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| 21:26.51 | Ashley` | Pali: i was looking for you |
| 21:27.04 | Ashley` | Pali: over a year ago :D |
| 21:27.14 | Pali | I'm here! |
| 21:27.17 | Ashley` | Pali: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2014-02-19.log.html#t2014-02-19T23:13:16 |
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| 21:51.41 | chad | hello guys, was trying to download backupmenu from the n900 installer, I don't use SSU and would like to start. The installer can't download it, do you think I should start the endless update process? |
| 21:52.57 | chad | (just because it is very slow and I don't know what package to download for my system) |
| 21:53.40 | chad | I started it anyway lol, who knows when I'll use it again |
| 21:56.41 | chad | it still fails, took less than I thought because repositories didn't work. I'm going to install it via .deb, trying with 1.2.0-2 armel |
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| 22:08.47 | sixwheeledbeast | ~bm |
| 22:08.47 | infobot | methinks backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
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| 22:26.38 | chad | thank you sixwheeledbeast |
| 22:26.58 | sixwheeledbeast | chad: np |
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| 22:51.09 | jonwil | ok, time to continue with pulseaudio-nokia :P |
| 22:52.09 | jonwil | I would say that pulseraudio-nokia is the most complicated piece of software I have ever had a hand in reverse engineering (more complex than any of the games I have worked with) |
| 22:54.59 | jonwil | pali: Do you know of a way to get libbmeipc-dev from your bme repo into scratchbox? If not, we need one somehow so that we can use libbmeipc-dev in pulseaudio-nokia |
| 22:56.33 | Pali | jonwil: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/bme-replacement/pool/free/libb/libbmeipc/libbmeipc-dev_1.0-2_armel.deb |
| 22:56.41 | Pali | wget + fakeroot dpkg -i |
| 22:57.56 | Pali | jonwil: or you can compile it yourself in scratchbox |
| 23:02.13 | jonwil | That doesn't work, it complains that I need libbmeipc = 1.0-2 |
| 23:02.26 | jonwil | libbmeipc0 that is |
| 23:03.18 | jonwil | and libbmeipc0_1.0-2 wont install because it depends on kernel-feature-rx51-battery |
| 23:03.31 | jonwil | which of course scratchbox doesn't have |
| 23:04.46 | jonwil | Pali: any ideas? |
| 23:05.56 | jonwil | also if anyone knows anything I can do on the N900 to help drain the battery faster (I need to drain the battery so it can properly learn its capacity per http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 ) please do say so |
| 23:05.57 | Pali | edit deb package by hand |
| 23:06.15 | Pali | -dev package should work fine with stock libbmeipc0 |
| 23:10.36 | jonwil | I think for the benefit of being able to compile this stuff going forward, it would be worthwhile to change the official libbmeipc github repo (and then the bme-replacement repo deb file) to remove the specific =(version) bit |
| 23:10.48 | jonwil | That way anyone can just wget the file and dpkg install it without needing to hand edit things |
| 23:11.47 | jonwil | Pali: any objections to my suggestion? |
| 23:12.35 | Pali | yes, removing that =version lock is ok |
| 23:12.44 | jonwil | ok, do you want to do it or should I edit the repo? |
| 23:12.58 | jonwil | github repo that is |
| 23:13.37 | Pali | you can do that |
| 23:14.07 | jonwil | great, I may also have access to bme-replacement repo (I know I have access to cssu-devel repo which is on same server) |
| 23:17.06 | jonwil | looks like I have access to it |
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| 23:19.01 | jonwil | I will push the new libbmepic packages to bme-replacement repo now unless you have any objections |
| 23:24.37 | jonwil | ok, its in the repo now :) |
| 23:26.06 | Pali | :-) |
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