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| 00:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway note that X11 doesn't need OpenGL-ES, and there are distros like SHR working just fine on a bare bones N900 via framebuffer only. Most likely it will be apps like mediaplayer that notice lack of PowerVR support |
| 00:04.02 | pavi | Just now checked the http://neo900.org/estimate at 990 is it the most expensive board ? |
| 00:05.05 | pavi | I remember when it started the estimate was around 600 for the board ? |
| 00:05.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's still the most recent (and hopefully not final but highest) estimation on cost of the NeoN-board to upgrade your N900 yourself |
| 00:05.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | 700, yes |
| 00:05.39 | pavi | so how much is the latest estimate for total phone ? |
| 00:05.59 | pavi | ok it says 130 more |
| 00:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | NeoN board plus a 130.- on top for a complete N900 we source for you |
| 00:07.39 | pavi | With Neo900 we could run maemo , replicant and maybe also Nemo on it. Complete multi boot support is guaranteed |
| 00:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 00:07.53 | pavi | ^ hope I am right ? |
| 00:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | not maybe, it's clear that Nemo porting should be feasible |
| 00:08.42 | pavi | ok |
| 00:08.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, it's a completely open hardware, how could Nemo not be possible to get ported? |
| 00:09.56 | pavi | I appreciate all your efforts in bringing this device to daylight. yes its damn expensive but still it serves as role model. |
| 00:10.08 | pavi | I wish I had such deep pockets. :( |
| 00:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it'S a pity how expensive stuff is |
| 00:11.02 | pavi | Maybe if someone sells their neo900 on ebay for cheap I will try to grab it ;) |
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| 00:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | on the bright side: for all US customers the device pretty much stayed at initially estimated price |
| 00:12.20 | pavi | yeah thats great. Atleast the $ paying customers would be happy ! I wish the first people who paid are still there to finish order |
| 00:12.41 | pavi | I mean the first ones way back in 2013-14 or so |
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| 00:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, indeed. We have quite a number of unuser vouchers |
| 00:39.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | unused* |
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| 00:54.22 | tiwake | ~flashing |
| 00:54.22 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 00:54.43 | tiwake | says it failed with error code 0 |
| 00:56.06 | tiwake | oh, maybe flasher 3.5 is not +x |
| 00:56.15 | tiwake | I bet it isnt |
| 00:56.53 | tiwake | or hmm |
| 00:58.58 | tiwake | bleh, I don't know bash enough to know what it means |
| 01:00.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiwake: you did ./flash-it-all.sh ? |
| 01:01.16 | tiwake | yeah, as root |
| 01:01.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | please pastebin the full session |
| 01:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly again the libusb32 problem |
| 01:03.11 | tiwake | DocScrutinizer05: http://pastebin.com/Nj99GHVg |
| 01:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta |
| 01:03.33 | tiwake | I'm on debian testing |
| 01:03.39 | tiwake | if that makes a difference |
| 01:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | please try - in this directory - a verbatim |
| 01:05.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 |
| 01:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and pastebin result if it differs form a single line maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: No such file or directory |
| 01:06.53 | tiwake | no, same |
| 01:07.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | please pastebin result of |
| 01:07.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l maemo_* |
| 01:08.35 | tiwake | http://pastebin.com/0q2Sjjd2 |
| 01:09.22 | tiwake | thought it was because of no +x, cause thats how it acted, but I realized with ls -l was showing it as +x already.. heh |
| 01:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 01:10.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you're missing the libusb 32bit version |
| 01:10.38 | tiwake | if its a 32bit binary then it probably will have issues, I don't have any of the 32bit runtime stuff installed |
| 01:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you are using a architecture that's not x86 at all |
| 01:11.18 | tiwake | neh, its x86_64 |
| 01:11.33 | tiwake | 4.2 kernel, debian testing |
| 01:12.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, it *should* say ./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:13.10 | tiwake | hmm |
| 01:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search libusb |
| 01:14.24 | tiwake | http://pastebin.com/5FZ0zKtw |
| 01:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux_PC |
| 01:16.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, I can't spot the libusb-0.1.4-32bit or whatever the name |
| 01:17.42 | tiwake | this is it, I'm guessing |
| 01:17.44 | tiwake | libusb-0.1-4 - userspace USB programming library |
| 01:19.08 | tiwake | but its installed already |
| 01:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiwake: you need the 32bit compatibility lib of this |
| 01:21.30 | tiwake | alright |
| 01:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2015/11/23/plasma-desktopDN3616.png |
| 01:25.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiwake: http://askubuntu.com/questions/311401/libusb-0-1-so-4-shared-lib-error-in-ubuntu-64-bit-system |
| 01:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install libusb-0.1-4:i386 |
| 01:27.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | also try> ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 |
| 01:27.33 | tiwake | yeah, getting there... had to add multi-arch |
| 01:28.09 | tiwake | alright |
| 01:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 01:28.15 | tiwake | uh |
| 01:28.25 | tiwake | ldd? |
| 01:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | lists all libs needed |
| 01:29.13 | tiwake | http://pastebin.com/n3Zibyfz |
| 01:30.28 | tiwake | does that mean linux-gate.so.1 is not provided for yet? |
| 01:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | libusb-0.1.so.4 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libusb-0.1.so.4 :-) |
| 01:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, maybe it'S already in place |
| 01:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | just no symlink |
| 01:31.18 | tiwake | well, it did something |
| 01:31.27 | tiwake | when I ./flasherwhatever |
| 01:31.35 | tiwake | I'll try the script again |
| 01:32.09 | tiwake | suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 01:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | first try maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 --help |
| 01:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, ok |
| 01:33.19 | tiwake | its doing stuff |
| 01:33.22 | tiwake | woo \o/ |
| 01:33.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 01:33.39 | tiwake | erasing CMT |
| 01:33.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | glad my script works for you |
| 01:34.10 | tiwake | a tiny bit of documentation might help :3 |
| 01:35.05 | tiwake | DocScrutinizer05: after its done I'm going to try the stable branch... http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU |
| 01:35.14 | tiwake | or should I do something else? |
| 01:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | install BM first |
| 01:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 01:35.43 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 01:35.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and do a backup of your clean system |
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| 01:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | though not exactly mandatory for a freshly flashed system, it's still a best practice and you should get used to BM |
| 01:36.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 01:36.40 | infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 01:36.52 | tiwake | backup menu? |
| 01:37.12 | tiwake | I backed up my contacts already, as thats the only thing I really care about |
| 01:37.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | please don't ignore BM, it's a really great tool and you should use it regularly |
| 01:38.12 | tiwake | heh, alright |
| 01:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's in extras-devel repo |
| 01:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or actually even in extras-testing now |
| 01:39.13 | tiwake | is there a good IRC client for it? |
| 01:39.31 | tiwake | I had xchat on it, but.. meh |
| 01:39.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | why 'meh"? |
| 01:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm quite happy with my xchat |
| 01:40.04 | tiwake | I couldent figure out how to tab-complete nicknames |
| 01:40.07 | tiwake | (lol) |
| 01:40.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just needs massive configuration |
| 01:40.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 01:40.26 | infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 01:40.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ |
| 01:41.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using shift-space, see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/keybindings.conf |
| 01:42.03 | tiwake | its like getting a new cellphone again and... |
| 01:42.13 | tiwake | why do I see my old background image? |
| 01:42.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you flashh eMMC? |
| 01:42.37 | tiwake | yeah, at least it should have |
| 01:42.41 | tiwake | hmm |
| 01:42.42 | tiwake | weirdf |
| 01:42.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you spell "YES" ? |
| 01:43.00 | tiwake | it showed my old background image, but after a second changed it to the default image |
| 01:43.27 | tiwake | yeah, though it was lowercase |
| 01:43.29 | tiwake | "yes" |
| 01:43.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that's quite weird indeed |
| 01:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, maybe lowercase |
| 01:44.03 | tiwake | it appears to be default |
| 01:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? what is default? |
| 01:44.50 | tiwake | the background, and the "desktops" |
| 01:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, well, when your old background been default, then I guess the old and new background shouldn't differ? |
| 01:45.25 | tiwake | it was just for like 2 seconds when it showed my old background images |
| 01:45.46 | tiwake | which, was weird |
| 01:45.47 | tiwake | w/e |
| 01:46.18 | tiwake | alright, so what are the things I need to do now |
| 01:46.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | add extras-devel, install BM |
| 01:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | disable extras-devel, reboot with open slider, do a backup with BM |
| 01:47.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT install any suggested updates when extras-devel is enabled |
| 01:48.42 | tiwake | uh |
| 01:48.56 | tiwake | oh thats right, app manager |
| 01:49.37 | tiwake | been a couple years since I've been in this corner of my phones software |
| 01:50.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | app manager alias HAM will take ages to come up again after enabling extras-devel - for the last time, since in CSSU you got speedyham |
| 01:50.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | which takes like 10s for somethhing the stock HAM needs 10 minutes |
| 01:51.03 | tiwake | new catalog then? |
| 01:51.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 01:51.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~extras-devel |
| 01:51.18 | infobot | [extras-devel] http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel |
| 01:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#How_to_activate_Extras-devel |
| 01:53.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply click the link in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#Additional_Repositories ;-) |
| 01:54.35 | tiwake | dododo |
| 01:54.41 | tiwake | waiting for updatingness |
| 01:55.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget to disable all those extras-* and tools and whatnot catalogs after installing whatever you want (here: backupmenu) |
| 01:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | updatingness takes 15 minutes ;) |
| 01:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | literally |
| 01:55.47 | tiwake | "checking for updates, please wait" |
| 01:55.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, with extras-devel only it may take only 9 |
| 01:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, the selection of "all" in "insstall new" will take that long, with no polite note asking you to wait |
| 01:57.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, can't check what exactly took that long, since my device already has speedyham |
| 01:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;) |
| 01:57.57 | tiwake | done |
| 01:58.35 | tiwake | oh, its complaining about the official catalogs not working |
| 01:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | install "backupmenu", you can search for the package by simply starting to type on keyboard |
| 01:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, nevermind, I hope that will not be a problem |
| 01:59.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | however while you're at it, you should fix this: |
| 01:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~repos |
| 01:59.16 | infobot | [repos] "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 02:00.08 | tiwake | ah, there is backupmenu |
| 02:00.39 | tiwake | oh, its missing dependencies |
| 02:01.59 | tiwake | so I need those other catalogs? |
| 02:02.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 02:02.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc it's i2ctools which is missing |
| 02:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 02:03.38 | infobot | methinks pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 02:04.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm nope, http://maemo.org/packages/view/i2c-tools/ |
| 02:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's in extras, extras-testing, and extras-devel |
| 02:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what been the "details" of missing packages? |
| 02:05.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | tab: details |
| 02:06.40 | tiwake | it was libsomething |
| 02:06.41 | tiwake | hold on |
| 02:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/backupmenu/1.2.0-2/ |
| 02:07.29 | tiwake | liblzo2-2 |
| 02:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, this one again |
| 02:07.57 | tiwake | ..? |
| 02:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, just I heard this name so often in the past |
| 02:08.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/liblzo2-2/ |
| 02:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | in "Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel" |
| 02:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is the missing Nokia repo |
| 02:09.43 | tiwake | what catalog do I add to get it? |
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| 02:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's also a version in "Fremantle SDK tools free armel" |
| 02:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | click on the link in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#Additional_Repositories ;-) |
| 02:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems it's in tools repo |
| 02:11.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | however you should add the muarf repos as substituate of the Nokia base repos |
| 02:11.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~repos |
| 02:11.39 | infobot | i heard repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 02:12.12 | tiwake | should it be added thought the GUI? or commandline by editing sources.list? |
| 02:12.37 | tiwake | *through |
| 02:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | editing cmdline is a bit tricky, rather do it via GUI or by clicking on my link and then simply deleting what you got twice or don't need |
| 02:14.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | surf to http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#Additional_Repositories |
| 02:14.00 | tiwake | oh, gotta install xchat or something |
| 02:14.30 | tiwake | or that |
| 02:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 02:15.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | wiki is a tad slugguish right now, seems the backup on maemo.org is running |
| 02:16.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | http ://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia |
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| 02:19.06 | tiwake | bbl |
| 02:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
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| 02:45.15 | jonwil | is maknig some nice progress with pulseaudio-module-nokia-voice |
| 02:57.58 | Anasko | Is multi-user chat doable in telepathy? |
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| 02:59.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: hey! :-) |
| 02:59.24 | jonwil | hi |
| 03:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#Mirrors_of_standard_Nokia_repos_.28using_Application_manager.29 |
| 03:16.21 | Sicelo009N | Anasko: yes, it works |
| 03:17.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: I'd really appreciate those install files rather living on official maemo |
| 03:17.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | need mimetype |
| 03:18.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if it's compliant with maemo (council) policy regarding support of alien repos |
| 03:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | please a few of users in here check one-click install of muarf repos: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/muarf.install |
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| 03:24.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody? |
| 03:27.34 | Anasko | goes to qrcode the link over to device |
| 03:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 03:29.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | (moved) |
| 03:38.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody willing to test catalog one-click install? |
| 03:40.07 | Anasko | Two clicks, one click per catalog, I guess? |
| 03:40.37 | Anasko | Full link: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf.install |
| 03:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | err the muarf.install installs both repos |
| 03:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's either / or. Depending on whether you want to also add devel and tools |
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| 03:51.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiwake: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/11/23/plasma-desktopaG3616.png :-) |
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| 04:31.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Anasko: you tried it? |
| 04:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 04:36.47 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 04:43.11 | tiwake | back |
| 04:44.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiwake: see ^^^ |
| 04:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos |
| 04:45.09 | infobot | somebody said jrrepos was http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 04:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiwake: also http://wstaw.org/m/2015/11/23/plasma-desktopaG3616.png |
| 04:46.31 | tiwake | I think I'm going to make some mac&cheese first |
| 04:46.35 | tiwake | kinda hungry |
| 04:46.48 | tiwake | well |
| 04:46.50 | tiwake | hmm |
| 04:48.59 | tiwake | DocScrutinizer05: I went to it on my cellphone... click on one of them? |
| 04:49.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tested nuarf |
| 04:49.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | muarf even |
| 04:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, click muarf.install |
| 04:50.51 | tiwake | alright |
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| 04:59.28 | tiwake | alright, backupmenu finally installing |
| 04:59.29 | tiwake | heh |
| 05:00.51 | tiwake | set new root password? |
| 05:00.54 | tiwake | herm |
| 05:01.50 | tiwake | dododo |
| 05:01.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | having a decebt root password is a nice thing |
| 05:02.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | decent* |
| 05:02.10 | tiwake | yeah |
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| 05:03.33 | tiwake | ok and just boot the cellphone up with the keypad open |
| 05:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | (root pw) -> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#random_stuff_to_config_.2F_fix_.27things.27_.28c.26p_to_shell.29 search for "# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot" |
| 05:04.47 | Sicelo | and no cellphone ;) |
| 05:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 05:05.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: you lost me |
| 05:06.52 | Sicelo009N | that was for tiwake ... alluding to fact that we don't typically refer to N900 as a cellphone. i can 'see' the unintended pun though .. didn't mean that |
| 05:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 05:07.53 | tiwake | Sicelo009N: donno, thats all I've ever used it for |
| 05:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | a running gag: "N900 is no phone" |
| 05:09.43 | tiwake | its probably the last of the badass cellphones nokia makes |
| 05:10.31 | tiwake | alright, booted into backupmenu |
| 05:10.35 | tiwake | and pressed b |
| 05:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 05:10.55 | tiwake | probably t, to backup everything |
| 05:11.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | backup everything w/o compression, ideally to uSD card |
| 05:11.39 | tiwake | not with compression? |
| 05:11.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | takes aaaaaages |
| 05:11.50 | tiwake | also, I have no card |
| 05:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | then use internal storage for now |
| 05:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | however you eventually want to do backups to a removabe storage device |
| 05:12.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | i.e. a uSD |
| 05:13.00 | tiwake | probably won't happen |
| 05:13.03 | tiwake | lol |
| 05:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 05:14.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no micro SD cards available at your place? |
| 05:14.15 | tiwake | cause I'm not going to spend any money on this cellphone.. heh |
| 05:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 05:14.37 | tiwake | I'd rather trash it and get something that runs sailfishOS honestly |
| 05:14.54 | Sicelo009N | um |
| 05:15.01 | tiwake | but that will be a while yet |
| 05:15.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather use one of my 20 or 30 uSD cards that collect dust here, than "spending money" or using N900 without uSD |
| 05:15.56 | tiwake | plenty of space on this |
| 05:16.40 | tiwake | now that there is a backup... |
| 05:16.47 | tiwake | hmm |
| 05:17.55 | tiwake | disable the catalogs and install the CSSU |
| 05:18.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually swapping device when I need to is a matter of doing a BM backup to the uSD, then ripping out uSD and SIM and place it into the spare device, flash the spare device with BM-augmented fiasco image and boot into BM to restore all the data and stuff from BM backup on uSD |
| 05:18.30 | tiwake | ah yeah |
| 05:18.42 | tiwake | that would be nice for having more than one N900 |
| 05:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((disable the catalogs and install the CSSU)) yep, you should disable: the original broken Nokia catalogs, maemo_extras-(testing|devel), and any tools or SDK repo you might have |
| 05:20.16 | tiwake | ~cssu |
| 05:20.16 | infobot | somebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 05:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | then proceed to ~cssu and click the distro of your choice. Maybe you even want "cssu-testing" which as well is considered quite stable and way more up to date |
| 05:20.58 | Sicelo009N | ~nit |
| 05:20.58 | infobot | it has been said that nit is Nokia Internet Tablet |
| 05:22.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiwake: you can "upgrade" from cssu-stable to cssu-testing any time though |
| 05:22.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | not the other way round |
| 05:23.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, when your cmdline/bash experience is approaching zero, I can see why you would prefer sailfish |
| 05:26.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiwake: you shouldn't forget to hook up the device to charger soonish |
| 05:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | (unless you already did) |
| 05:30.29 | tiwake | yeah, I've owned this long enough to know ;) |
| 05:32.45 | tiwake | alright |
| 05:35.26 | tiwake | it installed the thing |
| 05:35.29 | tiwake | now... up |
| 05:35.32 | tiwake | *uh |
| 05:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | please follow install instructions on ~cssu varefully. This is a multi-step process |
| 05:36.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | carefully* |
| 05:37.29 | tiwake | oh right |
| 05:39.23 | tiwake | installing |
| 05:51.42 | tiwake | gogogo |
| 05:55.50 | tiwake | woo |
| 05:55.53 | tiwake | it rebooted |
| 05:56.14 | tiwake | now what |
| 05:56.37 | tiwake | re-enable the catalogs? |
| 06:01.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 06:03.14 | tiwake | oh I should get my contacts back on it |
| 06:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the catalogs I listed above are default disabled. You only enable one of them temporarily to install a particular app from that repo. NEVER do an "update all" when any of the extras-(testing|devel) or tools etc catalogs are enabled |
| 06:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2015-11-23 Mon 06:19:08] <DocScrutinizer05> ((disable the catalogs and install the CSSU)) yep, you should disable: the original broken Nokia catalogs, maemo_extras-(testing|devel), and any tools or SDK repo you might have |
| 06:04.25 | tiwake | alright |
| 06:04.47 | tiwake | so it should be good to go then, cause the CSSU has all that stuff or w/e? |
| 06:05.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 06:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I recommend another BM backup, just in case you want to roll back to "virg |
| 06:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | to a mint system when fiddling with apps too much |
| 06:08.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | you definitely want "simple brightness applet" |
| 06:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | # "fix" the hold-key=sym nonsense |
| 06:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/inputmethod/ext_kb_repeat_enabled --type boolean true |
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| 06:11.52 | tiwake | hold-key? |
| 06:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | # set ctl-BS to my preferred operation mode. like Alt-Tab on PC KDE |
| 06:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav -t int 5 |
| 06:12.03 | Maxdamantus | alternatively, rm /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/hildon-im-module.so |
| 06:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you press and hold a key, it doesn't repeat but rather turns into the blue symbol on same key |
| 06:12.45 | tiwake | oh hey, adblock plug |
| 06:12.48 | tiwake | plus |
| 06:12.56 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, HIM does lots of weird things. |
| 06:12.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: HUH? |
| 06:13.12 | Maxdamantus | You can just remove HIM. |
| 06:13.27 | Maxdamantus | You lose the VKB though. |
| 06:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is HIM? |
| 06:13.33 | Maxdamantus | Hildon Input Manager. |
| 06:13.43 | Maxdamantus | or input mode or something. |
| 06:13.54 | Maxdamantus | method* |
| 06:13.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what would I gain by removing it? |
| 06:14.26 | Maxdamantus | You remove all the weird things you get with it, like that repeating thing, and instead get a mostly normal Multi_key. |
| 06:14.32 | tiwake | is there a map program that I can use offline? |
| 06:14.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 06:14.45 | Maxdamantus | (fn+sym is Multi_key) |
| 06:14.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know of a single really weird thing HIM does |
| 06:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiwake: there are a few, yes |
| 06:15.40 | Maxdamantus | 19:12:31 < DocScrutinizer05> when you press and hold a key, it doesn't repeat but rather turns into the blue symbol on same key |
| 06:15.47 | Maxdamantus | What about that one? |
| 06:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 06:15.52 | Maxdamantus | That always annoyed me. |
| 06:15.59 | Maxdamantus | couldn't use vim effectively. |
| 06:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you should have used gconf to disable it |
| 06:16.12 | tiwake | which one would be best? |
| 06:16.32 | Maxdamantus | I also prefer the normal Xorg Multi_key behaviour over HIM's symbol selection dialogue. |
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| 06:17.04 | Maxdamantus | ie, fn+sym, â¹"âº, â¹o⺠= ö |
| 06:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiwake: http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools |
| 06:18.05 | Sicelo009N | tiwake: Ovi Maps :) |
| 06:18.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: then you should adapt your keymapping |
| 06:18.33 | Maxdamantus | DocScrutinizer05: how? |
| 06:18.33 | tiwake | Sicelo009N: I would also need a good source for a map :-x |
| 06:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders what's fn+sym |
| 06:18.45 | Maxdamantus | fn+ctrl, if you want. |
| 06:19.44 | Sicelo009N | tiwake: nokia maps... |
| 06:20.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiwake: http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools#Keeping_Data_Costs_Down_.28International_Roaming.29 |
| 06:21.39 | Maxdamantus | DocScrutinizer05: so what parts of HIM do you find useful? |
| 06:22.22 | tiwake | I don't have a dataplan, and always find it annoying when they try to use internet for a map thing |
| 06:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not going to give you another opportunity to harass me |
| 06:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ Maxdamantus |
| 06:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiwake: http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools#Keeping_Data_Costs_Down_.28International_Roaming.29 |
| 06:23.24 | Maxdamantus | Okay, sorry. Didn't realise you were sensitive about these discussions you invoke. |
| 06:23.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | *plonk* |
| 06:24.56 | tiwake | I had doom installed... was fun to show people |
| 06:25.31 | tiwake | esp. back when I first got it... could play doom and talk to people on the cellphone and whatever else I wanted to do at the same time |
| 06:25.37 | tiwake | :3 |
| 06:25.57 | tiwake | now thats a more common thing for cellphones |
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| 06:28.43 | tiwake | lol borg sound effects |
| 06:28.56 | tiwake | I'm going to have fun browsing |
| 06:30.10 | Sicelo009N | tiwake: ovi/nokia maps only use dataplan for searching. you can save all map data ahead of time |
| 06:30.14 | Sicelo009N | does |
| 06:30.29 | Sicelo009N | and i don't even search 90% of the time |
| 06:32.04 | tiwake | hmm |
| 06:35.27 | tiwake | CUPS server? lol awesome |
| 06:38.17 | tiwake | ooo offline wikipedia |
| 06:39.13 | Sicelo009N | now you know why we don't refer to N900 as a cellphone so much |
| 06:39.26 | tiwake | enh yeah |
| 06:39.35 | tiwake | I wont use this stuff hardly at all |
| 06:40.27 | tiwake | I'm just going over the "its shiny and new" stage because re-installed the OS and updated it |
| 06:40.35 | tiwake | only I did it correctly this time |
| 06:40.40 | tiwake | thanks to you guys |
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| 06:49.55 | tiwake | overclocking? |
| 06:50.00 | tiwake | lol |
| 06:50.18 | tiwake | I guess its not any worse than overclocking the router |
| 06:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~omap-oc |
| 06:51.32 | infobot | somebody said omap-oc was http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 |
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| 06:52.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~oc |
| 06:52.04 | infobot | oc is probably an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s |
| 06:52.21 | tiwake | I want an OC3 line |
| 06:52.24 | tiwake | :P |
| 06:52.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~overclocking |
| 06:52.25 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 06:52.34 | tiwake | lol |
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| 08:49.05 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 08:49.23 | zGrr | :) |
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| 13:23.05 | merlin1991 | go jonwil :D |
| 13:51.41 | jonwil | ok, that's about as much as I can do, now its up to freemangordon to do more :) |
| 13:53.28 | jonwil | or someone else with more skills than me :) |
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| 14:38.47 | jon_y | ~modeswitch |
| 14:39.11 | jon_y | hmm, how do you query infobot? |
| 14:39.18 | KotCzarny | ~ping |
| 14:39.18 | infobot | ~pong |
| 14:39.25 | KotCzarny | ~listkeys modeswitch |
| 14:39.33 | KotCzarny | ~listkeys switch |
| 14:39.42 | KotCzarny | but maybe you need: |
| 14:39.43 | KotCzarny | ~hen |
| 14:39.44 | infobot | well, hen is hostmode-easy-now, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode |
| 14:39.53 | jon_y | I remember the n900 can do host mode |
| 14:39.57 | jon_y | yeah that |
| 14:40.03 | jon_y | thanks |
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| 14:49.47 | klopsi-u3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.59 | KotCzarny | there is a thread on tmo for that |
| 14:50.32 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96041 |
| 14:50.50 | Wizzup | klopsi-u3: 8 |
| 14:51.03 | KotCzarny | and this one is similar in meaning: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88888 |
| 14:51.51 | Wizzup | jon_y: freemangordon: sorry I haven't been able to free up time for the pa mods REing yet, life is hard atm |
| 14:52.01 | Wizzup | (assuming jon_y is jonwil) |
| 14:52.11 | KotCzarny | i thienk he is not |
| 14:52.49 | merlin1991 | jonwil did quit about 30 mins ago ;) |
| 14:59.11 | Wizzup | I saw that |
| 14:59.19 | Wizzup | oh well :) |
| 15:02.35 | freemangordon | Wizzup: yeah, jonwil is jonwil :) |
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| 15:26.57 | KotCzarny | http://i.imgur.com/wuyoKvD.png |
| 15:27.05 | KotCzarny | scammers gonna scam |
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| 15:43.38 | brolin_empey | tiwake: Quake III: (Team) Arena can run on Maemo 5 too. Doom 3 has been ported to the Android OS. |
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| 15:44.29 | tiwake | hehe |
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| 15:46.34 | brolin_empey | tiwake: Quake II can run in a modern Web browser using WebGL. |
| 16:18.27 | Sicelo | stock calculator, besides calculating say 14% of 100 (100%14), is there a simpler way to add 14% to 100? |
| 16:19.41 | KotCzarny | echo $(( 100*114/100 )) |
| 16:20.00 | Sicelo | i mean in the stock calculator... |
| 16:20.13 | KotCzarny | use the bash luke, use the bash |
| 16:21.23 | KotCzarny | or just install some calc alternative that actually has calculator features |
| 16:22.54 | klopsi-u3 | heh |
| 16:23.12 | KotCzarny | free42, ati85 etc |
| 16:24.04 | Sicelo | 100+14% actually works :) |
| 16:25.27 | Sicelo | and, i do have ati85 ... but isn't that overkill for this function? and no, i'm not interested in having dozens of programs installed that do the same thing. i'd have gone android for that |
| 16:30.31 | KotCzarny | well, its not about having dozens of programs, just 1 that works |
| 16:30.52 | KotCzarny | dozens of programs exist because people have different tastes/needs |
| 16:32.09 | KotCzarny | (and that's a good thing (having alternatives)) |
| 16:33.15 | klopsi-u3 | yes but too many bad alternatives are worse than a few good ones |
| 16:33.20 | klopsi-u3 | they waste your time |
| 16:33.41 | KotCzarny | unfortunatelly that's true |
| 16:34.19 | KotCzarny | still, better to have alternatives and waste some time, than have no alternatives and keep grumbling everytime you have to do something |
| 16:35.47 | Sicelo | osso-calc is preinstalled on device .. may as well learn to use it well if it can work for one's circumstances |
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| 17:31.16 | KotCzarny | https://www.jitbit.com/alexblog/249-now-thats-what-i-call-a-hacker/ |
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| 18:43.22 | Sicelo | vulgar |
| 18:46.18 | Sicelo | and the coffee script could burn the heating element as there's no test for presence of water |
| 18:46.39 | KotCzarny | maybe that's why he got fired |
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| 20:56.27 | Oksanaa | How to play h264/avc/aac/mp4 video on N900? Media format not supported |
| 20:56.48 | Oksanaa | Maybe, too high resolution? 1000, whatever it means for ABC |
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| 21:02.50 | Sicelo009N | codecs installed? |
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| 21:24.04 | jonwil | hi |
| 21:24.23 | Oksanaa | Sicelo009N: omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti installed, yes |
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| 21:25.56 | Oksanaa | If you wish, test. abc.net.au/news , Koalas chewing bark, something_1000.mp4 |
| 21:27.03 | jonwil | freemangordon: ping |
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| 21:36.20 | brolin_empey | Oksanaa: Have you tried using VLC Media Player? |
| 21:42.39 | Sicelo009N | maybe give full link Oksanaa :) not finding it, and news sites make me drowsy |
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| 22:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: afaik omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti only supports H.263/264_low-profile - see http://www.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=14649&navigationId=12643&templateId=6123 >>IVA⢠2+ (Image Video Audio) accelerator enables multi-standard (MPEG4, WMV9, RealVideo, H263, H264) encode/decode at D1 (720x480 pixels) 30 fps, and up to 720p resolutions<< |
| 22:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | so >><Oksanaa> Maybe, too high resolution? 1000<< yes, definitely |
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| 22:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw H.26(3/4) are encumbered by software patents according to wikipedia. Which gives a hint why Nokia would not have included any codecs for it that are not shipped by TI already |
| 22:21.17 | Oksana | Hmm... I heard about 1080p playback support somewhere? But anyway, display is only 800x480, so I should try a different resolution, I guess |
| 22:24.28 | Sicelo009N | we never had 1080p |
| 22:28.11 | jon_y | obviously we need to push it by supporting h265 playback :) |
| 22:28.30 | jon_y | seriously though h265 compression is pretty insane |
| 22:28.47 | jon_y | while somehow still maintaining crisp quality |
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| 23:03.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: yes, a transcoder proxy would be a very handy thing |
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