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| 07:34.22 | KotCzarny_ | ceene, have you dabbled in upnp perchance? |
| 07:58.59 | jonwil | KotCzarny_: Have you tried Google? A quick search shows gupnpav being the popular option for doing upnpav |
| 07:59.56 | KotCzarny | jonwil, c example please? also, minimal dependencies please, i dont want to link to the half of the gnome |
| 08:00.09 | jonwil | Is this intended for N900 or for something else? |
| 08:00.20 | KotCzarny | portable preferably |
| 08:00.46 | jonwil | I dont know of any gupnpav example but I am sure if you searched with Google you could find something |
| 08:01.06 | KotCzarny | thing is i didnt find anything in particular |
| 08:01.25 | KotCzarny | vlc code is c++ |
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| 08:01.56 | KotCzarny | if you can find libupnp/pupnp tutorial or c examples that would be awesome |
| 08:05.13 | jonwil | As for dependencies, libgupnp doesn't seem to require a huge amount of libs (the version on N900 anyway) |
| 08:05.20 | jonwil | it does need glib and dbus though |
| 08:05.23 | jonwil | and dbus-glib |
| 08:05.54 | jonwil | but yeah I have no idea about how to use it or where to find examples |
| 08:06.05 | KotCzarny | there are no examples |
| 08:06.22 | KotCzarny | or they are named in a way incompatible with the other world |
| 08:06.33 | KotCzarny | ie. some weird intel naming |
| 08:06.44 | KotCzarny | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/skatkov/upnp-client-lib/master/upnp.py |
| 08:06.53 | KotCzarny | this is upnp implementation in python |
| 08:06.58 | KotCzarny | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/skatkov/upnp-client-lib/master/upnp_test.py |
| 08:07.10 | KotCzarny | and this is the simple client in upnp |
| 08:07.15 | KotCzarny | i might reimplement that in c |
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| 08:07.49 | jonwil | there is http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/mafw-upnp-source/ |
| 08:07.57 | jonwil | which uses gupnp-av |
| 08:09.30 | KotCzarny | upnp is quite simple, but implementations are fricky convoluted |
| 08:10.20 | KotCzarny | all one would need is 1/ scan for devices, 2/ request resources available on devices, 3/ use resource |
| 08:10.39 | KotCzarny | 1/ is multicast query, 2 and 3 are http queries |
| 08:11.01 | KotCzarny | but i need to gather all the magic keywords |
| 08:21.20 | KotCzarny | http://www.upnp-hacks.org/sane2006-paper.pdf |
| 08:21.22 | KotCzarny | hah. |
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| 08:44.35 | freemangordon | jonwil: h! :) |
| 08:44.40 | jonwil | hi |
| 08:44.44 | freemangordon | hi! even |
| 08:45.05 | KotCzarny | *and they finally met* |
| 08:45.10 | freemangordon | I was in athens for a couple of days, so didn't have time to reply |
| 08:45.13 | KotCzarny | *and there was much rejoicing* |
| 08:45.16 | jonwil | fair enough :) |
| 08:45.24 | jonwil | So do you have any comments on this idea http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=96173 ? |
| 08:46.24 | jonwil | also can I get commit access to https://notabug.org/freemangordon/pulseaudio-nokia/ since I want to do some work on it? |
| 08:46.29 | freemangordon | afaik PA should be backwards-compatible, so maybe we should upgrade PA |
| 08:46.56 | jonwil | Oh and if there is anything I should know in terms of contributing to pulseaudio-nokia (e.g. certain things I need installed in my scratchbox) please let me know |
| 08:46.56 | freemangordon | jonwil: sure, I'll give you commit access, though I think it is better to move PA sources to github |
| 08:47.00 | jonwil | yes it is |
| 08:47.07 | jonwil | Lets put pulseaudio-nokia in cssu github |
| 08:47.10 | jonwil | Best place for it |
| 08:47.18 | freemangordon | yep |
| 08:47.47 | jonwil | so anything special I need to know before I start fiddling with it? |
| 08:47.48 | freemangordon | I will try to do it in the evening, as well as commenting on your questions |
| 08:47.56 | jonwil | ok |
| 08:48.52 | freemangordon | yes, you should have gcc4.7 if you want to compile xprot |
| 08:49.14 | jonwil | and I get that from where? |
| 08:49.24 | freemangordon | cssu-thumb SB |
| 08:49.31 | jonwil | ok |
| 08:49.51 | freemangordon | jonwil: http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 |
| 08:50.04 | bencoh | how did nokia build it? |
| 08:50.06 | jonwil | I figured out a few more variables in the big userdata structure btw |
| 08:50.11 | jonwil | Nokia used armcc |
| 08:50.16 | bencoh | ah |
| 08:50.18 | jonwil | for the NEON stuff |
| 08:50.20 | freemangordon | bencoh: they didn't use NEON intrinsics |
| 08:50.29 | bencoh | ah² |
| 08:50.51 | freemangordon | yes, they hand-coded the NOEN stuff |
| 08:51.08 | freemangordon | also armcc seems to have wonderful auto-vectorizer |
| 08:51.25 | freemangordon | anyway, /me gtg now, see you later |
| 08:51.47 | freemangordon | jonwil: great (re bug structure) |
| 08:51.50 | freemangordon | *big |
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| 09:06.52 | jonwil | I can push pulseaudio-nokia to github if you like, I know how to do it and I have a local up-to-date copy... |
| 09:07.26 | jonwil | will go ahead and do it anyway :) |
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| 09:23.52 | jonwil | freemangordon: I pushed the code from notabug to cssu such that origin/master is the Fremantle code and origin/harmattan is the Harmattan bits we started with (since that makes more logical sense being that we want the Fremantle bits). Now I will start hacking on the code :) |
| 09:35.02 | freemangordon | good |
| 09:35.14 | freemangordon | BTW I have some uncommited code here as well |
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| 09:58.15 | KotCzarny | fmg: will you update cssu-thumb while you are at it? |
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| 10:05.24 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: hmm? update what? |
| 10:05.52 | KotCzarny | pakcages that are newer on cssu? |
| 10:06.01 | KotCzarny | unless you did it in the meanwhile |
| 10:06.06 | freemangordon | I think I already did that |
| 10:06.19 | KotCzarny | thanks, havent checked in a while |
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| 10:16.17 | freemangordon | jonwil: please pull PA |
| 10:17.29 | jonwil | I have a pull of https://github.com/community-ssu/pulseaudio-nokia as of right now sitting locally |
| 10:18.05 | jonwil | wairt no, I didn't see your pushes :) |
| 10:18.27 | freemangordon | I hust pushed |
| 10:18.31 | freemangordon | *just |
| 10:19.01 | freemangordon | and you need those 2 more commits if you're going to work on userdata struct |
| 10:19.11 | freemangordon | as I revealed a couple of more vars |
| 10:19.14 | jonwil | yes I can see |
| 10:20.24 | Wizzup | :o |
| 10:20.58 | jonwil | Will compare what you have now to what I have in my IDA DB and see how accurate you got things :) |
| 10:21.16 | freemangordon | :D |
| 10:21.17 | freemangordon | ok |
| 10:28.42 | kerio | which names do you give to the functions? |
| 10:31.24 | freemangordon | kerio: those given by IDA |
| 10:31.53 | freemangordon | or those found in meego sources or in harmattang debug symbols |
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| 10:46.17 | ceene | KotCzarny: nop, i don't know anything about upnp |
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| 11:13.29 | jonwil | freemangordon: what command do I run to actually compile things and see if the code changes I have made compile? |
| 11:22.53 | freemangordon | for the very first try it is dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b. after that you may cd to /src/voice and just make |
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| 11:41.10 | freemangordon | jonwil: seems cmtsppech_connection struct is not correct |
| 11:41.30 | jonwil | yes I know it is not, I am working on correct versions of various structs |
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| 11:41.39 | jonwil | cmtspeech_connection and also userdata |
| 11:41.41 | freemangordon | good :) |
| 11:41.50 | jonwil | will be committing something as soon as it compiles :) |
| 11:41.57 | freemangordon | ok |
| 11:42.21 | freemangordon | I REed voice_init_cmtspeech |
| 11:42.40 | jonwil | yeah I REd what its doing but didn't clone it |
| 11:42.47 | freemangordon | and voice_cmt_handler_new |
| 11:42.57 | freemangordon | I mean, I cloned it |
| 11:43.46 | freemangordon | but the clone is incorrect, as the structure is wring |
| 11:43.51 | freemangordon | *wrong |
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| 11:48.09 | jonwil | committed my changes to the structures |
| 11:48.48 | jonwil | I can confirm that ul_deadline does not exist in Fremantle blobs because I found voip_source_process_msg in Fremantle and it doesn't have the case VOICE_SOURCE_SET_UL_DEADLINE bit |
| 11:49.08 | jonwil | also in Fremantle blobs that field is most definatly pa_sink_input *cs_call_sink_input |
| 11:49.14 | freemangordon | ok |
| 11:50.01 | jonwil | Also I #if 0'd out a couple things in module-nokia-voice.c just so it would compile (although the linker complains about a bunch of missing functions so it doesn't produce output yet) |
| 11:50.19 | jonwil | cmtspeech_connection struct should now be correct |
| 11:50.36 | jonwil | based on my analysis of the relavent init functions for that structure |
| 11:51.17 | freemangordon | great |
| 11:51.45 | jonwil | I can confirm the various fragment size fields are size_t because A.They are size_t in meego source and B.Many of them are set from return value of pa_usec_to_bytes which returns size_t |
| 11:51.57 | freemangordon | ok |
| 11:52.02 | jonwil | mixer_state is definatly not a pa_atomic_t in Fremantle (although it is in meego) |
| 11:52.06 | freemangordon | you droppend one pa_atomic, why? |
| 11:52.50 | jonwil | in Fremantle, mixer_state is set directly and not via pa_atomic functions |
| 11:52.55 | jonwil | so it cant be pa_atomic_t |
| 11:53.00 | freemangordon | ok |
| 11:53.11 | jonwil | main module init func has u->mixer_state = PROP_MIXER_TUNING_PRI for example |
| 11:53.47 | freemangordon | ok |
| 11:54.28 | jonwil | sink_temp_buff_len is size_t in Fremantle since its size_t in meego and also its set via u->sink_temp_buff_len = 2 * u->hw_fragment_size_max and hw_fragment_size_max is size_t |
| 11:55.20 | jonwil | reverse engineering voice_parse_aep_steps and possibly also voice_pa_vol_to_aep_step should give us all the unknowns from field_248 to field_2C4 |
| 11:55.33 | jonwil | It appears to be an array of some sort, possibly an array of a data structure |
| 11:55.45 | jonwil | but that's all KI can figure out |
| 11:55.48 | jonwil | all I |
| 11:56.04 | freemangordon | I think there is statis data that initializes those |
| 11:56.12 | freemangordon | but will figure it out when it comes to it |
| 11:56.15 | jonwil | ok |
| 11:56.30 | jonwil | I believe field_3F4, field_3FC and field_3FD are all bitfields |
| 11:56.42 | jonwil | probably all bitfields of boolean values |
| 11:57.27 | jonwil | anyhow that's the data structure figured out as much as I can figure out |
| 11:57.37 | jonwil | and in fact I think we got most of it now :) |
| 11:57.46 | freemangordon | :) |
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| 11:58.45 | freemangordon | jonwil: hmm, I think you should have not removed those unkX_running members, see close_cmtspeech_on_error |
| 11:59.17 | jonwil | looks ok to me when I look at it in IDA |
| 11:59.49 | freemangordon | "if ( u->cmt_connection.unk2_running )" etc |
| 11:59.59 | freemangordon | I think this is ul_running and dl_running |
| 12:00.08 | freemangordon | and one more :) |
| 12:00.28 | jonwil | you dont have the correct definition of cmtspeech_connection I bet |
| 12:00.45 | freemangordon | hmm, might be, going to sheck |
| 12:00.49 | freemangordon | *check |
| 12:01.04 | jonwil | http://pastebin.com/qe2wfxBJ |
| 12:01.19 | jonwil | Thats what I have showing the offsets of the different fields |
| 12:02.43 | freemangordon | jonwil: you were right, it was the definition |
| 12:03.26 | freemangordon | going to clone and push voice_init_cmtspeech |
| 12:03.33 | jonwil | ok, great |
| 12:03.51 | jonwil | me, I am going to finish the clone of voice-voip-source.c |
| 12:03.56 | jonwil | i.e. make what we have now match what we need |
| 12:04.03 | freemangordon | great |
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| 12:12.43 | jonwil | ok, that's everything I can do for voice-voip-source.c |
| 12:20.07 | jonwil | ok now I see what happens |
| 12:20.48 | jonwil | voip audio comes from telepathy-stream-engine and is fed into the voip source/sink |
| 12:23.50 | freemangordon | jonwil: seems like dl_state and ul_state are pa_atomic |
| 12:24.03 | jonwil | evidence for that? |
| 12:24.37 | freemangordon | look at close_cmtspeech_on_error |
| 12:24.43 | freemangordon | those ldrex/strex |
| 12:25.18 | jonwil | ok, if you think they are pa_atomic, feel free to change them |
| 12:25.24 | freemangordon | will do |
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| 16:38.17 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: ping |
| 16:39.34 | freemangordon | merlin1991: pong |
| 16:40.09 | merlin1991 | which package pulls libspeex1 in -tumb? |
| 16:40.50 | freemangordon | gst-plugins-bad iirc |
| 16:44.54 | merlin1991 | do you need libspeex-dsp too? |
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| 16:49.32 | freemangordon | merlin1991: most probably |
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| 16:51.30 | merlin1991 | the maemo userspace is moving further and further away form what I'm used to |
| 16:51.38 | merlin1991 | just tried to use ip on device :D |
| 16:51.52 | KotCzarny | compile, package, install, done |
| 16:52.25 | merlin1991 | nah ip needs newer kernel interfaces .. |
| 16:54.30 | Sicelo | what is ip? part of iproute2? |
| 16:54.35 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 16:55.07 | Sicelo | so what happened when you used it merlin1991? |
| 16:55.21 | KotCzarny | iproute2 |
| 16:55.22 | KotCzarny | By Linux Foundatio... - November 19, 2009 - 6:23pm |
| 16:55.23 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 16:55.29 | KotCzarny | looks like it was close |
| 16:56.04 | bencoh | we have iproute2 on device (?) |
| 16:56.14 | Sicelo | iproute(1) :) |
| 16:56.18 | bencoh | ah |
| 16:56.40 | KotCzarny | http://www.linuxgrill.com/anonymous/iproute2/ |
| 16:56.49 | KotCzarny | funnily enough tere is patch for 2.1.42 |
| 16:57.35 | bencoh | hmm still we have iproute from 2011 |
| 16:58.01 | KotCzarny | i think iproute2 was in the kernel as old as in 1997 |
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| 17:01.38 | merlin1991 | well I'm used to iproute with versions around 3.x ... |
| 17:03.27 | merlin1991 | goes back to faking a .changes file |
| 17:03.41 | bencoh | :) |
| 17:04.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:05.01 | KotCzarny | though they might have been updates on the way |
| 17:05.09 | KotCzarny | missing features etc |
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| 17:22.14 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: libspeex is in the cssu repo now |
| 17:24.28 | merlin1991 | damn I need a way to mark my n900s |
| 17:24.43 | merlin1991 | can't find the -thumb one without battery power but all of them are flat except the -testing one ... |
| 17:24.46 | KotCzarny | i've used piece of grey tape and black marker |
| 17:25.08 | KotCzarny | named them 'M', 'T' and 'D' |
| 17:25.15 | merlin1991 | meaning? |
| 17:25.16 | KotCzarny | main, testing and devel ;) |
| 17:25.18 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 17:25.28 | KotCzarny | could be also S T D |
| 17:25.32 | KotCzarny | stable, testing, devel |
| 17:25.33 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:25.58 | merlin1991 | I should have one with stock firmware one on cssu-testin one on cssu-stable and one on cssu-thumb but thb I don't even know anymore if that's still true |
| 17:26.15 | KotCzarny | then SF, CT and CS |
| 17:26.24 | KotCzarny | and CTT |
| 17:27.27 | merlin1991 | okay #1 is past flatbat recovery and currently in act_dead |
| 17:27.29 | KotCzarny | also, having different themes or colors can help |
| 17:27.33 | merlin1991 | the other one is not looking as good though |
| 17:27.47 | merlin1991 | yeah but again you need power for that :D |
| 17:27.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:27.51 | merlin1991 | I did the theme thing though |
| 17:29.22 | freemangordon | merlin1991: thanks, going to try to update |
| 17:30.18 | merlin1991 | I'm currently charging all my n900s and will reflash and reinstall the -thumb one later todat |
| 17:30.27 | merlin1991 | if I find any other packages missing I'll add them too |
| 17:32.22 | freemangordon | great |
| 17:33.16 | KotCzarny | while you are at it, can you check if doing wiki page instruction go flawlessly? |
| 17:33.35 | KotCzarny | last time i've tried fresh stock -> cssu-thumb it had some troubles |
| 17:33.46 | KotCzarny | mostly repos and some blocked packages |
| 17:38.48 | Sicelo | OT: when google does not find datasheets you need, where else would you look? :( specifically, i would like to get full datasheet for a now-obsolete IC, OCC8001 'CONAN' .. on Internet I can only find a 2-page abbreviated one |
| 17:39.31 | Sicelo | if any of you have ideas, i'd appreciate it. |
| 17:39.50 | KotCzarny | sicelo: go to forums and try asking people for copies |
| 17:40.42 | Sicelo | seems only one person has the info i need, but he has made a product out of the thing and no longer interested in sharing :( |
| 17:41.09 | KotCzarny | still, ask |
| 17:41.17 | Sicelo | fwiw, this 'person' is a network engineer at google (maybe he wiped all trace for the rest of us fools, haha) |
| 17:41.20 | KotCzarny | emails are still free |
| 17:41.29 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: i asked him. |
| 17:43.35 | Sicelo | tbh i don't know if he had access to datasheet too .. he posted pics that show he has nicely stocked lab .. he could just have used signal analysers, etc. the chip if for a sound system used in 1998-2002 Mercedes and Jaguar vehicles, in which the cd changer was connected to head-unit via fiber optics |
| 17:44.06 | KotCzarny | ask for notes then |
| 17:45.53 | Sicelo | 19:40 < Sicelo> seems only one person has the info i need, but he has made a product out of the thing and no longer interested in sharing |
| 17:45.56 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: ^^ |
| 17:46.00 | KotCzarny | http://kay-bruns.de/comand_spdif_low.pdf |
| 17:46.09 | KotCzarny | maybe this one has something you can scavenge |
| 17:46.18 | Sicelo | you buy his kit or forget about d2b |
| 17:46.52 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:46.59 | Sicelo | i have that pdf, thanks .. although the german makes it not so understandable. also, his scenario wasn't exactly the one we need :( |
| 17:47.34 | KotCzarny | btw. you have n900, just use fm transmitter |
| 17:47.35 | KotCzarny | and oscp |
| 17:47.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:47.37 | Sicelo | i wrote kay bruns too. unfortunately they also abandoned the project (after car was sold) |
| 17:48.11 | Sicelo | haha, i do use N900 for sure .. but who doesn't want crystal-clear sound? i live in the city here, and there are too many stations |
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| 17:49.01 | KotCzarny | well, riding in the car rarely allows you to listen to crystal clear sound |
| 17:49.15 | KotCzarny | unless its crystal clear sound of revving engine |
| 17:50.19 | Sicelo | my taste of music is bad according to friends and family .. when travelling with others (which is very often), i want to be able to have them stream music |
| 17:50.49 | KotCzarny | n900 plays streams happily |
| 17:51.12 | Sicelo | i mean their music via bluetooth to car radio ... |
| 17:51.46 | Sicelo | they don't necessarily have N900/N8 or whatever others have FM transmitter. and changing head unit isn't an option :) |
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| 17:51.53 | KotCzarny | i think n900 can also be used as bt receiver? |
| 17:52.27 | Sicelo | i tried that, yes, and it does work .. but .. it's a bit of a pain |
| 17:54.40 | KotCzarny | http://www.grajdanska.net/attachments/mercedes/Becker_BE3100.pdf page 13 ? |
| 17:55.23 | Sicelo | got that too :) |
| 17:55.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:55.40 | Sicelo | my problem is .. i need to know how to initialize the chip |
| 17:55.47 | Sicelo | that's the missing part |
| 17:55.56 | KotCzarny | RE it then |
| 17:56.12 | KotCzarny | some proto sniffer |
| 17:59.05 | Sicelo | yes, not going to be easy job, but looks like only option. unfortunate that information would completely disappear with no trace like this |
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| 18:11.41 | KotCzarny | https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22OCC+8001+Conan+Optical+Transceiver%2C%22 |
| 18:12.10 | KotCzarny | https://www.google.com/patents/US7512244 |
| 18:12.18 | KotCzarny | maybe you figure out something from those too |
| 18:13.22 | KotCzarny | http://www.google.pl/patents/US6473469 |
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| 19:01.10 | KotCzarny | hmm, what's the algo deciding which package versions stay in repo and which are cleared out? |
| 19:01.14 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/o/oscp/ |
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| 19:06.48 | Sicelo | cleared out in what way? |
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| 19:27.42 | KotCzarny | sicelo: when new version is uploaded, uploader also removes old version based on some algo |
| 19:27.57 | KotCzarny | otherwise there would be 53 debs of oscp |
| 19:28.18 | KotCzarny | but only 7 remain |
| 19:28.36 | KotCzarny | with seemingly random pattern. maybe some bug in uploader? |
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| 19:41.57 | jonwil | hi |
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| 20:11.49 | bencoh | probably not random, but ... |
| 20:12.12 | KotCzarny | bencoh, looking at file dates its fully random |
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| 20:52.09 | Sicelo | ceene: how far you got with cellwriter? :) |
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| 21:42.47 | ceene | Sicelo: exactly 0 |
| 21:42.52 | ceene | i totally forgot about that |
| 21:42.59 | ceene | i've been quite busy at work |
| 21:43.09 | ceene | and that always leaks into post-work hours |
| 21:43.25 | ceene | that's the problem when you almost enjoy your work |
| 21:44.46 | ceene | i'm enjoying a lot my new project at work, which is basically playing around with a fpga evaluation board |
| 21:46.21 | bencoh | neat : |
| 21:46.25 | bencoh | :) |
| 21:46.55 | bencoh | having fun at work is always a good thing (except for side projects :) |
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| 22:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's cellwriter? |
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| 22:31.17 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: maybe this thing ? http://risujin.org/cellwriter/ |
| 22:31.43 | ceene | yep, that's the thing |
| 22:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_(Palm_OS) |
| 22:34.36 | ceene | in fact, that's how i reached cellwriter |
| 22:34.44 | ceene | by asking here about something similar to graffiti :) |
| 22:35.15 | ceene | i had a palm m125 and a palm tx |
| 22:35.39 | ceene | i still like those PIM applications a whole lot more than those of maemo and android |
| 22:36.24 | ceene | i liked too the fact that you could obscure/hide certain entries a protect them with a password |
| 22:36.49 | ceene | maemo can't do that, and as far as i know, android can't unless using specific apps, if they even exist |
| 22:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | "using certain apps" is the generic way which applies to maemo as well |
| 22:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, I fully agree that all maemo core apps are *very* poor on separating stuff (except for calendar which actually is great with multiple separate calendars). See gallery for a abysmal example, as well as contacts |
| 22:47.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | we should add a "user2" or $younameit account on most basic unix level, and a way to actually log in not only with "lock-code" but also with selecting which user account to log into |
| 22:47.57 | bencoh | ? |
| 22:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: maemo5 fremantle has a single user account "user" |
| 22:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it actually also has "root" |
| 22:48.33 | ceene | that way you could lend the phone to friend without fear of him reading your personal mail, contacts or whatever |
| 22:48.37 | bencoh | yeah, I kinda know about it ;) |
| 22:48.58 | bencoh | lending my n900 feels a bit odd though |
| 22:49.13 | ceene | nobody knows how to use it :) |
| 22:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | separating private and business use scenarios however feels pretty sane |
| 22:49.23 | bencoh | krkr :) |
| 22:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt gallery would benefit from an additional user, but gallery is fubar anyway |
| 22:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | call history and contacts actually would work as expected with a user-too |
| 22:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 22:51.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | also messaging |
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| 22:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess camera and gallery *could* get set up in a way so they ignore the alien account's directories and files. Maybe even with mount namespaces |
| 22:53.07 | ceene | gallery doesn't run with 'user' privileges? |
| 22:53.24 | ceene | or does it use trackerd which is global? |
| 22:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter, though tracker is not exactly global |
| 22:54.47 | ceene | two trackerd then, one per user? |
| 22:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could probably lock tracker.cfg so user can't edit it without root permissions. Then config tracker so it doesn't index the photo dirs of user2 |
| 22:55.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, two tracker.cfg and databases, one per user |
| 22:55.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | both life in $home anyway, so there's no magic in this |
| 22:56.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | the major problem is missing comprehensive file permissions on the 29GB ~/MyD* |
| 22:57.11 | ceene | well, MyDocs should be ext3 or whatever |
| 22:57.23 | ceene | ah, so many things to do |
| 22:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | but *maybe* that could get cured by sophisticated mounts |
| 22:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, with ext3 MyDocs would be easy to handle |
| 22:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | right now camera stores pictures on a fatfs MyDocs dir and that's pretty difficult to separate for tracker, unless you configure tracker.cfg accordingly to ignore any data in ~/MyDocs/$path1 and only index ~/MyDocs/$path2 |
| 23:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | *or* you simply create separate user-proprietary MyDocs partitions on eMMC and only mount the one that is owned by lohgged-in user |
| 23:02.10 | ceene | is tracker open source? |
| 23:03.13 | ceene | anyway, i guess the easiest thing would be to simply execute every user file accesing daemon twice as current user, and simply use an ext3 MyDocs |
| 23:03.25 | ceene | probably a full /home/ that is mounted in the space currently reserved for MyDocs |
| 23:03.38 | ceene | and simply remove the concept of MyDocs |
| 23:03.45 | ceene | MyDocs=~ |
| 23:03.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | trackerd is open iirc |
| 23:04.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 23:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/93696466 |
| 23:07.06 | ceene | that's right |
| 23:07.18 | ceene | i can't really understand the need to have a 2Gb /home partition |
| 23:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2015-11-23T00:45:56 |
| 23:08.17 | ceene | it'd be simpler if /home was /dev/mmcblk0p1 extending until current end of /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 23:08.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops |
| 23:08.59 | ceene | https://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash this? |
| 23:09.45 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, resizing /home is a well known and documented process. You just need to take care about stuff like camera which has hardcoded path to MyDocs |
| 23:10.02 | ceene | i guess this is the only thing that could be a bit cumbersome |
| 23:10.11 | ceene | not being able to mount any partition as usb mass storage |
| 23:10.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | loopback device? |
| 23:10.55 | ceene | dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/user/MyDocs.ext2 bs=1G count=2 |
| 23:10.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, mass storage wouldn't work for sure with ext3 |
| 23:11.09 | ceene | well, that would fill up n900 ram |
| 23:11.18 | ceene | so probably bs=32M count=whateever |
| 23:11.24 | ceene | and they MyDocs would live in that file |
| 23:11.30 | ceene | that could be mass storage mounted |
| 23:11.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | great idea indeed |
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| 23:12.20 | ceene | the only problem seems to be those apps with hardcoded references to partition names |
| 23:12.38 | ceene | paths hardcoded to MyDocs can always be solved with symlinks or simply creating that directory, or via the loopback trick |
| 23:12.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 23:13.32 | ceene | i want a 2nd n900 to try out all these things |
| 23:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless some drunken coder used "/MyDocs/pictures" in one process and "/MyDocs/Pictures" in another one, and didn't even bother about file owner. We had that in camera which caused camera to break epically when MyDocs been a case sensitive fs like ext3 |
| 23:15.19 | ceene | lol |
| 23:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I dunno if it ever got fixed |
| 23:16.24 | ceene | i'm sure it'd be pretty easy to make an ext3i to mount MyDocs |
| 23:16.48 | ceene | not that it wouldn't irk me |
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| 23:17.19 | ceene | well, it's time for me to sleep |
| 23:17.20 | tiwake | interesting people enh? |
| 23:17.31 | ceene | good night, cya! |
| 23:17.36 | tiwake | but |
| 23:17.38 | tiwake | I just got here |
| 23:18.13 | pavi | tiwake: ask DocScrutinizer05 your questions on cssu |
| 23:18.16 | tiwake | ~combined |
| 23:18.16 | infobot | i guess combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 23:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 23:19.03 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
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| 23:19.43 | tiwake | at the moment I'm downloading RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin |
| 23:19.53 | tiwake | from here http://web.archive.org/web/20131117073524/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ |
| 23:20.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | great |
| 23:20.23 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: what phone are you hacking these days ? Still n900? |
| 23:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 |
| 23:21.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | though yes, my daily phone and only hacking (if I find time for hacking) is N900 |
| 23:22.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | currently Neo900 eats pretty much 200% of my time |
| 23:22.44 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: Will neo900 chip be ever for sale ? |
| 23:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | chip? |
| 23:23.09 | pavi | *board |
| 23:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I realy hope so |
| 23:23.45 | pavi | isnt it too late post jolla? |
| 23:23.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | though right now I got massive issues with PayPal which puts the whole project on peril |
| 23:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jolla is no competition to Neo900 |
| 23:24.30 | tiwake | sounds like paypal... |
| 23:25.06 | pavi | jolla with other half keyboard took away all interested people ( just a guess ) |
| 23:25.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jolla and Neo900 have a completely segregate target group of users |
| 23:26.14 | pavi | I agree . neo 900 is the best device for free software enthusiasts |
| 23:27.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're not interested in 100% openness in, and control over your phone, and you don't see the difference between sailfish and maemo, between capacitive and resistive screen, then Jolla is the way smarter choice for you. Only for those who really care about that stuff, Neo900 is faintly affordable |
| 23:28.45 | pavi | by 100 % did you include graphic drivers |
| 23:37.08 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: I dont know if you are on diaspora but we had a discussion free software and mobile os https://poddery.com/posts/1687531 |
| 23:38.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | pavi: the POowerVR drivers are not FOSS, but are also not needed to run a 100% FOSS linux (not maemo) on Neo900. We can't provide FOSS PowerVR drivers since nobody can |
| 23:40.22 | pavi | ohh ok |
| 23:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | however TI provides them PowerVR drivers as free (as in beer) blobs |
| 23:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://pandorawiki.org/SGX_drivers |
| 23:52.00 | pavi | just like nvidia |