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| 00:41.27 | jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1488653#post1488653 |
| 00:41.48 | jonwil | Ok, thats all the fiddling with cssu-devel I plan to do at this point |
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| 02:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly doubt that WLAN per se would increase power consumption. WLAN is pretty humbe with PSM=max and associated to a decent AP. What eats much power is frequent scans when WLAN is not associated. And a cellular data connection shouldn't add significantly to power consmption when it's not being used. This is given when your route is to WLAN(0) and not GPRS aka phonet0, unless you got a stupid provider that sends inbound rubbish to |
| 02:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | your cellular data link |
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| 08:43.40 | jonwil | hi |
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| 10:13.20 | jonwil | ~seen freemangordon |
| 10:13.22 | infobot | freemangordon <~ivo@46.249.74.23> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 7d 16h 34m 19s ago, saying: 'I mailed him'. |
| 10:13.27 | jonwil | ~seen freemangordon1 |
| 10:13.28 | infobot | freemangordon1 is currently on #maemo #neo900 #maemo-ssu, last said: 'dammit, I am unable to make the last REed function as fast as stock :(. I must be missing something'. |
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| 10:51.38 | KotCzarny | jonwil, send him an email? |
| 10:59.23 | jonwil | I dont have any contact details fir him... |
| 10:59.27 | jonwil | for |
| 11:00.36 | KotCzarny | send msg via tmo profile? |
| 11:01.26 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=35969 |
| 11:01.46 | KotCzarny | click contact info then 'send priv msg' |
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| 13:24.51 | bencoh | if he doesnt answer here he's probably busy/away from keyboard |
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| 13:47.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | antranigv: ask jake42 |
| 13:47.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | err sorry |
| 13:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask ZetaR |
| 13:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | he prepared a comprehensive review of mailing software with emphasis on security aspects |
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| 14:24.05 | klopsi-u3 | ~repo |
| 14:24.05 | infobot | The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications |
| 14:24.13 | klopsi-u3 | ~repositories |
| 14:24.13 | infobot | repositories are frequently old. |
| 14:24.36 | klopsi-u3 | !repo |
| 14:24.50 | klopsi-u3 | ~repository |
| 14:26.54 | klopsi-u3 | anybody know the command to display repositories? |
| 14:27.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo repo |
| 14:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~repos |
| 14:27.42 | infobot | i heard repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 14:29.55 | klopsi-u3 | thank you |
| 14:32.36 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 14:32.36 | infobot | methinks maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 14:38.45 | klopsi-u3 | got two unflashable bricked N900s :( |
| 14:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardly |
| 14:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless both have broken USB |
| 14:39.26 | klopsi-u3 | yeah flakey usb |
| 14:39.35 | klopsi-u3 | though it worked once |
| 14:39.48 | klopsi-u3 | white light doesn't even come-on when hitting power button |
| 14:39.59 | KotCzarny | charge battery externally? |
| 14:40.10 | klopsi-u3 | battery is charged |
| 14:40.18 | KotCzarny | fix the usb then |
| 14:40.28 | KotCzarny | find the electro wizard |
| 14:41.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | now that's quite severe, might be all sorts of hw damage, starting with power button and not ending at CPU itself. Or it's a defect NOLO, or the battery is not as charged as you might think it is |
| 14:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | first test: get a linux PC, in a root terminal do `tail -f /var/log/messages` (or whatever the syslog is named on your linux PC), then plug in the N900 via USB and watch syslog for ROMBOOT getting enumerated. This should never fail, not even on weak battery (only completely defect battery might stop it) - unless USB is broken |
| 14:45.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | same time the N900 should show a yellow indicator LED |
| 14:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless battery is fully charged |
| 14:51.45 | klopsi-u3 | i can see new USB device - usb 3-1: Manufacturer Nokia |
| 14:52.02 | klopsi-u3 | no mention of ROMBOOT |
| 14:54.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/PC_syslog_of_USB_enum |
| 14:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you don't see 2014-08-24T04:26:38.437533+02:00 saturn kernel: [4764602.699541] usb 2-1.8: Product: Nokia USB ROM then the device wasn't powered down when you plugged it in to USB |
| 14:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway your USB is not broken, so the device is most definitely flashable |
| 14:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 14:56.21 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 14:57.00 | klopsi-u3 | it gets up to |
| 14:57.01 | klopsi-u3 | Nov 20 16:56:46 klopsisXMG mtp-probe: bus: 3, device: 94 was not an MTP device |
| 14:57.02 | klopsi-u3 | Nov 20 16:56:46 klopsisXMG kernel: [1198398.829441] usb 3-1: USB disconnect, device number 94 |
| 14:57.12 | klopsi-u3 | then it re-'boots' and vibrates |
| 14:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's a powered-up N900 connected to USB |
| 14:57.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got a bootloop |
| 14:57.52 | klopsi-u3 | flasher says Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 14:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | use http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz |
| 14:58.10 | klopsi-u3 | using that |
| 14:58.23 | klopsi-u3 | ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 14:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | please paste complete session log |
| 14:58.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | to pastebin |
| 14:59.30 | klopsi-u3 | http://pastebin.ca/3263155 |
| 15:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | also please power down the device, open up kbd slide, press and hold 'U' key, and connect nokia wallcharger |
| 15:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | check if display shows USB icon in upper right corner of 'NOKIA' screen |
| 15:00.36 | klopsi-u3 | ok |
| 15:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | does USB icon show? |
| 15:03.01 | klopsi-u3 | can't see nokia screen or usb icon |
| 15:03.17 | klopsi-u3 | after releasing U key and waiting a few seconds, solid yellow light appears |
| 15:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess your battery is depleted |
| 15:03.33 | klopsi-u3 | ok i switch batts to be sure |
| 15:03.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, yellow solid light suggests battery completely depleted |
| 15:07.38 | klopsi-u3 | is it charging while solid yellow light shows? |
| 15:08.01 | klopsi-u3 | i replaced with a 1/2 full battery from another n900 and it shows solid yellow light |
| 15:10.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it is charging, but charging stops as soon as the device can boot up, means the system will try to take over charging and general battery management at a voltage of some 3 Volt. When your system is broken then charging stops and battery will never reach sufficient voltage to do flashing. that's called bootloop deadlock |
| 15:10.38 | klopsi-u3 | ok flasher started for some reason with a different cable |
| 15:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | well you might have a damaged NOLO, this would explain why it's showing solid yellow and no NOKIA screen |
| 15:11.12 | klopsi-u3 | will flashing fix NOLO? |
| 15:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you need coldflashing for this. Strongly deprecated unless you have absolutely clear proof that NOLO is defect |
| 15:12.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | when falsher starts then NOLO is working just fine |
| 15:12.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | flasher* |
| 15:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/PC_syslog_of_USB_enum |
| 15:13.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> 2) NOLO in "update mode" (idProduct=0105) << |
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| 15:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check your PC's syslog for the three lines "New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0106" (ROMBOOT), "New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0105" (NOLO), "New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=01c7" (maemo system) |
| 15:19.55 | klopsi-u3 | http://pastebin.ca/3263184 |
| 15:20.00 | klopsi-u3 | is messages log |
| 15:21.58 | klopsi-u3 | now connecting charger results in orange light flashing once, then darkness |
| 15:22.14 | klopsi-u3 | wiggling the usb cable results in orange light flashing briefly |
| 15:23.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | usb broken, or cable/plug broken |
| 15:25.37 | klopsi-u3 | heh people on ebay want 180-200 euro for a used n900 |
| 15:25.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | some do, yes |
| 15:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | the syslog clearly shows that your NOLO is OK and it has repeated enums that could only happen on USB connection break and reattach, which looks like either the USB jack in device or the USB plug or cable (or the PC itself) being broken |
| 15:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | try a few other USB cables, if all show same symptoms then you need to get USB fixed |
| 15:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 15:29.42 | infobot | methinks usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt |
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| 15:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes a temporary stopgap workaround is setting the device with plugged in USB on a matchbox or similar small object with the USB jack, so the USB plug and jack gets gently bent upwards by the weight of device. Be *very* careful with this not to damage USB jack even more! |
| 15:33.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | obvously you need to do the USB break and make with the PC end of USB cable then |
| 15:33.53 | klopsi-u3 | that's exactly what i'm doing now and i'm getting the charging blinking orange light |
| 15:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that sounds promising |
| 15:35.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you eventually get green light after a while, you're good and battery charged. Otherwise you got a bootloop due to system needing a reflash and you need to charge battery externally |
| 15:35.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | green light may take up to 5 hours |
| 15:36.19 | klopsi-u3 | kay |
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| 19:07.59 | klopsi-u3 | Charging light green, N900 boots. Thanks DocScrutinizer05 ! |
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| 19:08.27 | klopsi-u3 | and KotCzarny |
| 19:09.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:09.44 | Vajb | yet another lamb saved |
| 19:10.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | klopsi-u3: now fix your USB! |
| 19:11.14 | klopsi-u3 | hmm i seem to have erased my contacts |
| 19:11.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB is the most notorious single point of failure in N900 |
| 19:11.46 | klopsi-u3 | i'll reinforce the non-broken n900 |
| 19:12.03 | klopsi-u3 | i am not very good at soldering, though i do have an iron |
| 19:12.14 | KotCzarny | i didnt do anything to mine, i just connect the usb cable carefully |
| 19:12.20 | KotCzarny | and always use nokia's one |
| 19:12.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | micro USB is designed in a way so plugs wear out while jacks should survive almost eternally |
| 19:12.25 | Vajb | 100 wats quick iron i assume |
| 19:13.01 | Vajb | i use also nokia charger with filed down lock pins |
| 19:13.40 | KotCzarny | mine probably wore out a bit because i use the same cable |
| 19:13.51 | klopsi-u3 | it looks like repairing the broken usb is delicate work |
| 19:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't ever file down lock latches on any USB plug |
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| 19:14.04 | Vajb | yeah they vary |
| 19:14.37 | Vajb | at work we have charger that everyone uses when in need and it is looser than my filed one |
| 19:14.57 | KotCzarny | male whore |
| 19:14.59 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:15.06 | Vajb | haha |
| 19:15.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | klopsi-u3: yes, it's not exactly a simple task, unlike toughening the working USB jack which is easy |
| 19:19.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually filing down anything at USB is a possible hazard to the contacts, due to the fine steel dust. Strongly deprecated. Rather use pencil for lubrication and do half an hour of mating/unmating with a new cable, where you carefully make sure to only pry out the plug with your fingernails between plug and casing wall |
| 19:19.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2mm suffice |
| 19:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | after 50 or 100 cycles, the plug will work just fine |
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| 19:28.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | also pencil graphite makes a hell of a difference |
| 19:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't paint the plug's inside! only outside |
| 19:28.47 | klopsi-u3 | ok |
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| 19:30.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | inspect the contacts of your USB jack closely with a magnifier glass and LED spotlight or whatever does the job for you. Compare to a known-good jack |
| 19:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | do same with plug, use a new camble as reference. Test with N900 and the new cable. Often it's the plug and not the jack that's defect |
| 19:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | also maje sure no debris is inside the USB jack |
| 19:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | make* |
| 19:34.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | resoldering a partially broken USB jack is very difficult since you can't reach the pins with soldering iron. You may *try* hot air reflow which may or may not work |
| 19:37.37 | klopsi-u3 | now i have 3 working n900s yaay except for 2 with flakey usb |
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| 19:49.47 | klopsi-u3 | still best phone, best community |
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| 20:02.09 | jonwil | hi |
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| 20:25.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you try hot air reflow, use decent SMD flux (no pen here since you need to apply the fluid with a needle or paint brush to the almost invisible pins), and make sure you cover the camera with carton or several layers of alu foil |
| 20:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | also cover the two so called C-springs at edge of board next to USB jack, so they don't get unsoldered |
| 20:26.22 | Sicelo | +1 on the flux. be generous too |
| 20:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:26.58 | Sicelo | did my two N900 with soldering iron only. couldn't have done without flux |
| 20:27.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | then apply hot air focused to the gap between USB jack and shielding can until the solder which you used to solder down the USB like in ~usbfix starts melting |
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| 20:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: how did you manage to reach the pins? |
| 20:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you cut off the "roof" of USB jack? |
| 20:28.39 | Sicelo | yes :D |
| 20:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 20:29.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | this can only be done when USB jack unsoldered from board - or when you are _very_ skilled and experienced with dremel |
| 20:29.45 | Sicelo009N | it was my 1st smd job. |
| 20:31.02 | Sicelo009N | i admit i was taking a fat risk, but couldn't find someone i could trust with my dear N900. 2/3 of my soul is in it |
| 20:31.05 | Sicelo009N | :-) |
| 20:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I guess the easiest way is to completely unsolder and resolder the whole USB jack, using hot air and solder paste |
| 20:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even use 0.1mm wires of ~5mm length to connect the USB jack's pins to the pads, then bend the wires and solder USB into place according to ~usbfix |
| 20:34.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you cut a segment out of the shielding can so you can actually reach the USB pins/pads |
| 20:35.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | the shielding can is not really important for functionality of the N900 |
| 20:35.47 | Sicelo009N | yes, i cut that too |
| 20:35.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah :-) |
| 20:36.30 | Sicelo009N | just the corner nearest the pins |
| 20:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 20:39.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | using a decent cutter like https://www.reichelt.de/?ARTICLE=98862&PROVID=2788&wt_mc=amc141526782519998&gclid=CPioyN7tn8kCFWfkwgod6hADrg and a soldering iron, removal of a segment of the can wall is easy after carefully removing the lid |
| 20:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I recommend anti-ESD variant https://www.reichelt.de/ESD-Werkzeug/KN-78-03-125-ESD/3/index.html?&ACTION=3&LA=3&ARTICLE=44687&GROUPID=5943 |
| 20:41.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | has conducting plastic handles |
| 20:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry this one: https://www.reichelt.de/ESD-Werkzeug/KN-78-03-125-ESD/3/index.html?&ACTION=3&LA=3&ARTICLE=44687&GROUPID=5943 |
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