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| 05:15.24 | jonwil | hi |
| 05:15.48 | jonwil | freemangordon: ping |
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| 06:38.05 | jonwil | ~seen freemangordon |
| 06:38.06 | infobot | freemangordon <~ivo@46.249.74.23> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 6d 12h 59m 3s ago, saying: 'I mailed him'. |
| 06:38.22 | jonwil | ~seen merlin1991 |
| 06:38.22 | infobot | merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #neo900 #maemo-ssu, last said: 'speex will be done tomorrow ;)'. |
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| 07:12.19 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 08:42.35 | bencoh | jonwil: what's the current codelockui status? |
| 08:43.45 | jonwil | Waiting for freemangordon (or some other reverse engineering guy) to figure out the parts I cant clone myself |
| 08:45.30 | jonwil | I did however just fix an issue with connui-home-cellular that showed up as a result of my ISP switching from one mobile network to a different mobile network (and sending me a new SIM and porting my number and stuff) |
| 08:45.55 | jonwil | When I joined the new network I found the network name output of the connui-home-cellular clone was different to stock |
| 08:46.06 | jonwil | A big of debugging and I found the problem and fixed it and now get the right output :) |
| 08:46.13 | jonwil | now to figure out how to set the correct IAP stuff |
| 08:48.35 | jonwil | ok, I have a cellular data connection now :) |
| 08:48.38 | jonwil | its all good :) |
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| 09:22.36 | Sicelo | so my n900 is unresponsive, although working just fine. the screen is dimmed (same as when a confirmation dialog is displayed). can't interact with it except via power button. i can therefore end tasks, or start the phone. however desktop remains dim so that's not much help. pity i disabled autoconnect to wifi .. i could ssh to it and restart h-d |
| 09:23.00 | bencoh | usbnet? |
| 09:27.14 | Sicelo | not at my place right now :( |
| 09:27.37 | Sicelo | here i'm on work computer, basic user permissions. |
| 09:27.41 | bencoh | ah .... shutdown/reboot |
| 09:28.21 | Sicelo | wonder if usbnet would work actually, haha .. becuase the dialog migh not appear. let me check |
| 09:28.38 | Defiant | Sicelo: attack ths virus scanner, that is supposed to be the most vulnerable part of your PC |
| 09:29.05 | Sicelo | at least the usb dialog does appear and is clickable |
| 09:29.16 | KotCzarny | n900 screen is transflective |
| 09:29.20 | Sicelo | bencoh: i don't want reboot :p |
| 09:29.27 | Defiant | or use virtual box portable with a linux |
| 09:29.29 | Sicelo | happy about my 7 days uptime |
| 09:29.33 | KotCzarny | so get a good light and you will see the contents |
| 09:29.42 | Sicelo | Defiant: ?? |
| 09:30.04 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: dimmed .. not about seeing .. but interacting. i can't interact with it |
| 09:30.47 | KotCzarny | can you start any app somehow? |
| 09:31.01 | Sicelo | usually flicking the screen lock key should 'fix' dimmed problems. but not this time |
| 09:31.35 | Sicelo | i can start Phone, contacts & Xterminal. no interaction though |
| 09:31.54 | Sicelo | basically the ones that have keyboard shortcuts |
| 09:32.14 | KotCzarny | add to your todo to add xterm shortcut |
| 09:32.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:32.21 | Sicelo | ? |
| 09:32.32 | Sicelo | you don't get it :) |
| 09:32.35 | Sicelo | at all |
| 09:32.53 | KotCzarny | well, if you had xterm runnable via keyboard shortcut, you can type things there |
| 09:33.01 | Sicelo | NO |
| 09:33.04 | KotCzarny | no? |
| 09:33.14 | Sicelo | the is no interaction with anything |
| 09:33.29 | Sicelo | only bencoh understands what i'm saying :) |
| 09:33.45 | KotCzarny | but you've said you can run apps via kb |
| 09:33.49 | KotCzarny | so kb works |
| 09:34.19 | Sicelo | 11:31 < Sicelo> i can start Phone, contacts & Xterminal. no interaction though |
| 09:34.33 | KotCzarny | ahm, didnt see xterminal |
| 09:34.57 | Sicelo | xterminal is a stock shortcut (shift+ctrl+x) |
| 09:35.28 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 09:35.32 | KotCzarny | bt/usb kb? |
| 09:35.50 | Sicelo | my bluetooth is off :p |
| 09:36.28 | Sicelo | only way is to somehow login to the bugger via ssh |
| 09:36.37 | KotCzarny | but you dont have network |
| 09:38.16 | Sicelo | will see .. maybe i'll quickly pss by my place next 30 minutes. hope usbnet will work. haven't used it in ages. hope i didn't mess something up with that iface |
| 09:39.45 | bencoh | mine doesnt start on boot |
| 09:39.47 | bencoh | I dunno why |
| 09:40.02 | bencoh | so I need to plug it in and ifup |
| 09:40.09 | Sicelo | doam. you need to ifup :( |
| 09:40.34 | Sicelo | which i won't be able to do. nice. reboot incomingp i guess |
| 09:41.00 | KotCzarny | lock/unlock few times? |
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| 09:43.09 | Sicelo | it has not helped unfortunately |
| 09:43.35 | jonwil | does rebooting not fix the problem? |
| 09:43.47 | KotCzarny | he wants to try anything before reboot |
| 09:44.17 | jonwil | why not reboot, its not exactly hard to reboot a N900 :) |
| 09:44.46 | Sicelo | just for fun |
| 09:45.08 | KotCzarny | funnily how you can start xterminal via kb, it shows, and it doesnt allow you to type anything in it |
| 09:45.26 | KotCzarny | start it then task switch maybe? |
| 09:45.27 | jonwil | I wouldn't call it "fun" to fiddle with all sorts of crap that isn't helping when a reboot should fix it |
| 09:45.46 | KotCzarny | jonwil, that's called debugging |
| 09:49.07 | bencoh | looks a focus issue |
| 09:49.15 | bencoh | like* |
| 09:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ts working? |
| 09:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | does "kill current task" show up in power menu? |
| 09:50.23 | Sicelo | yes it works |
| 09:50.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | tried kb shortcut to cycle between tasks? |
| 09:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ctrl-.backspace |
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| 09:51.09 | Sicelo | yeah. no dice. i'm going to have to rebbot, clearly. |
| 09:51.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird |
| 09:51.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | tried <enter>? |
| 09:52.23 | jonwil | Now that I am on a new network, I need to go and see if all the places where my phone wouldn't get signal on the old network do or don't get it on the new network :) |
| 09:52.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | to me it spounds like a notifier/requester that failed to display any conetnt |
| 09:53.01 | KotCzarny | kill'em all |
| 09:53.13 | jonwil | looks like I might take a train trip tomorrow :P (riding on the train is one of the ways to be guaranteed to loose signal on the old network :) |
| 09:53.40 | jonwil | I do so love the N900 though, its works great on Vodafone just as good as it did on Optus :) |
| 09:58.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: do you have a custom lockscreen? |
| 09:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could try to unlock the lockscreen even when it's not visible, by sliding over the touchscreen |
| 10:00.33 | Sicelo | no. stock |
| 10:01.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | the idea that lockscreen is active but not visible (maybe hidden or minimized or behind the desktop layer) sounds even more plausible than a normal requester or notifier causing this |
| 10:01.11 | Sicelo | i have smscon, but looks like i never set the sms commands properly. don't seem to be working |
| 10:01.31 | Sicelo | smscon itself works just fine for no sim or sim change |
| 10:01.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 10:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | try sliding to unlock |
| 10:02.55 | Sicelo | same. slide works. but no interaction in desktop |
| 10:03.30 | KotCzarny | remember to add shortcut to enable wifi autoconnect and/or usbnet |
| 10:08.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I meant sliding on touchscreen like you would to unlock the lockscreen by moving the ball from lft to right |
| 10:11.07 | Sicelo | yes DocScrutinizer05. i can lock it just fine, and unlock with slider |
| 10:11.42 | Sicelo | thanks for suggestions everyone. gotta just reboot. we tried. |
| 10:16.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, so the lockscreen works and you can unlock it. So I guess it's not an invisible lockscreen then that's your problem |
| 10:17.07 | Sicelo | where is the FBI with their backdoors when we need them? :p |
| 10:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 10:17.36 | KotCzarny | you should've gotten android for that |
| 10:17.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | NSA? |
| 10:18.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | the FBI looks like a boy scout club compared to NSA |
| 10:18.26 | Sicelo | btw, i still suspect one of hildon-desktop, *-home to have some bug. |
| 10:18.34 | Sicelo | NSA maybe :) |
| 10:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yes |
| 10:18.43 | KotCzarny | sicelo, but why is it happening to you? |
| 10:18.48 | KotCzarny | maybe you have hw sync enabled? |
| 10:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | check your desktop widgets or whatever the name |
| 10:19.23 | Sicelo | removed them all some weeks ago |
| 10:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 10:19.32 | Sicelo | no widgets at all anymore |
| 10:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc then |
| 10:21.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | check smscon, maybe it has some hiccup |
| 10:21.22 | KotCzarny | i wonder why talk.maemo.org gets first place in google, but no sign of wiki.maemo.org |
| 10:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and make damn sure you got WLAN and/or USB network *and* sshd enabled, for the next time ;-) |
| 10:22.36 | Sicelo | they generally are, lol |
| 10:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | one more thing you could try: open and close camera door |
| 10:23.07 | Sicelo | Murphy's law at work here |
| 10:23.11 | KotCzarny | unrelated but nice: https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures |
| 10:26.05 | Sicelo | fun times. DocScrutinizer05, camera door causes complete blackness. but i can take a pic, and can hear the application close afterwards when i close the shutter |
| 10:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 10:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | this gives some hint towards considering whether maybe the graphics libs are borked |
| 10:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are several daemons for fb and camera and dunno what |
| 10:28.18 | Sicelo | i don't think so tbh. if i had been able to ssh to it, i'd have tried to restart h-d, and (of course my 2 cents) i think it would come back to normal life |
| 10:28.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be compositor that doesn't work according to parameters |
| 10:28.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, a pity we can't test |
| 10:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I gather "end current task" in power menu only shows when a real app is running and focused, not when hd is active |
| 10:29.35 | Sicelo | yes. |
| 10:29.58 | Sicelo | if i launch phone, then end current task is useable |
| 10:29.58 | KotCzarny | sicelo: when you eventually get it to working state, check /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini to see if you have hw sync or not |
| 10:30.30 | Sicelo | ok. will do |
| 10:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, what happens when you press ctrl-backspace with phone opened |
| 10:30.51 | Sicelo | nothing that i can see |
| 10:30.58 | Sicelo | ah .. wait |
| 10:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 10:30.59 | Vajb | i recall having this issue once |
| 10:31.17 | Sicelo | yes, nothing. |
| 10:31.24 | Vajb | it had some program popping up menu, but that menu never appeared |
| 10:31.36 | KotCzarny | kill'em all! |
| 10:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah well, you don't have the "alt-tab" function in hd enabled, right? |
| 10:31.53 | Vajb | but i can't recall name of that program even if my life depended on it |
| 10:32.12 | Sicelo | you mean rotate tasks through ctrl+bksp? i have that enabled |
| 10:32.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I've seen that too, and switching tasks via ctrl-bs allowed me to fix it |
| 10:32.32 | KotCzarny | but yeah, all the behaviors suggest invisible popup menu |
| 10:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: aah hmm |
| 10:33.08 | Vajb | i think i sshd to device and killed stuck program |
| 10:33.09 | KotCzarny | because usb popup was clickable |
| 10:34.06 | Vajb | thinks we miss "show desktop" button from power menu |
| 10:34.23 | KotCzarny | or 'restartd h-d' button :P |
| 10:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: one thing you could test: give N900 a inbound call you don't answer, so the "missed call" things kick in |
| 10:35.24 | Vajb | hmm start phone utility and try ctrl-backspace then |
| 10:36.02 | Sicelo | i have missed call (btw, i can still answer calls very nicely) :D |
| 10:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: yes, exactly |
| 10:36.29 | Sicelo | doesn't help in this particular case that ctrl+bksp |
| 10:37.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: when phone gui is active, ctrl-bs should show one window shrinked to tumbnail |
| 10:37.54 | Vajb | im curious how u got in to that state? |
| 10:38.25 | Vajb | maybe ur device is swapping like madman and is unresponsive cos of workload |
| 10:38.43 | Vajb | ur using gazillion percent of cpu power |
| 10:38.50 | Vajb | or* |
| 10:38.55 | Sicelo | not at all :) |
| 10:39.08 | Sicelo | it's very much alive, and at rest. |
| 10:39.22 | Vajb | ah then |
| 10:39.32 | Vajb | don't bother him. Is a sleep |
| 10:39.36 | Sicelo | it's been like this for 2 hours now, and no warm battery, etc. |
| 10:39.37 | Vajb | :) |
| 10:40.09 | Sicelo | i can even see the usage bars on status menu. cpu side on grey |
| 10:40.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird stuff |
| 10:40.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe just reboot |
| 10:40.41 | Vajb | definitely some menu |
| 10:41.06 | Sicelo | as for how i got to this .. i don't remember. i was just using it normally |
| 10:42.13 | Vajb | hah classic case of "it was like that when i got here" |
| 10:42.28 | KotCzarny | add a shortcut in powermenu to kill h-d |
| 10:42.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:42.51 | Vajb | does xterm show up? |
| 10:43.01 | KotCzarny | yes, but he cant type in it |
| 10:43.08 | KotCzarny | as in 'focus stolen' |
| 10:43.18 | Vajb | err it does, but i meant to type for example top and hit enter |
| 10:43.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: did you extensive looking around and maybe even cat * in /sys and/or /proc ? |
| 10:43.46 | Sicelo | can't do that :) |
| 10:43.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | before! |
| 10:44.00 | Sicelo | nop |
| 10:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ""Siceloare any DSP/PowerVR stats availalbe in /sys maybe or some other location?"" |
| 10:45.14 | Sicelo | that was over 12 hours ago, and i didn't even do anything. i slept, hence the complete silence after saying i'll study zzztop script |
| 10:47.20 | Sicelo | ok. enough with this. usbnet didn't come up. rebooting. |
| 10:47.43 | Sicelo | i'll fix up smscon so that it can be a viable backdoor in future |
| 10:47.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 10:48.31 | KotCzarny | tty via sms? |
| 10:48.35 | KotCzarny | expensive ;) |
| 10:48.53 | KotCzarny | unless one has free sms plan |
| 10:49.29 | Sicelo | no. you send just one predetermined command, and the N900 will run it. or you could even cause it to setup reverse ssh connection |
| 10:49.50 | KotCzarny | i know, just kidding about possible use sms as a tty terminal |
| 10:50.28 | Sicelo | with `ls` .. how do i order files by date again? |
| 10:50.33 | Maxdamantus | -t |
| 10:50.41 | Sicelo | thanks |
| 10:56.17 | jonwil | Bah, no sign of either of the people I need to talk to :( |
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| 13:41.23 | Sicelo | btw, one of the reasons i disabled automatic wlan is because at work, we have WPA-Enterprise, which N900 doesn't connect to automatically. maybe jonwil's work could help in that regard? |
| 13:41.37 | Sicelo | my home wifi is also wpa-enterprise |
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| 14:24.01 | drathir | si not used that one before, but maybe share which kind of error show? |
| 14:30.46 | Sicelo | whawho? |
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| 17:04.21 | sixwheeledbeast | Why would WPA Enterprise not connect automatically on N900? Is there no way to save the RADIUS info? |
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| 17:11.28 | ecc3g | nice... disabling autoswitch to wifi and stay on 3G only saves quite a bit of power. I guess I'm forced to take advantage of unlimited data on t-mobile... |
| 17:11.55 | Wizzup | interesting that 3g costs less power for you than wifi |
| 17:12.21 | ecc3g | well having both on at the same time eats power |
| 17:12.28 | KotCzarny | more wakeup triggers? |
| 17:12.47 | KotCzarny | 10 beacons/s usually |
| 17:12.49 | ecc3g | then again I'd thought it should use one or the other... and not keep both on at the same time |
| 17:12.59 | KotCzarny | and that only assuming nothing else on the channel |
| 17:13.22 | KotCzarny | transmitting via cell modem might be more costly tho |
| 17:13.40 | ecc3g | that might be why... though I thought I changed my beacons on my wifi to 1/sec or 2/sec... |
| 17:13.56 | Wizzup | oh yeah, I always have wifi autoconnect off |
| 17:13.58 | Wizzup | mostly due to privacy issues |
| 17:14.20 | ecc3g | ah. |
| 17:14.32 | ecc3g | I autoconnect to my home wifi before, for privacy issues :D |
| 17:16.23 | ecc3g | having it auto switchover to wifi and 3g on all the time = I get at most 2 days idle |
| 17:17.43 | ecc3g | it's about flat at the 2 day mark. |
| 17:17.45 | ecc3g | telling it not to use wifi if available... i think it will hit 3 days, maybe more...at least the battery meter says there's still quite a bit of charge left nearing the 2 day mark... |
| 17:18.24 | KotCzarny | ecc3g: install battery-eye, its not eating battery like multiple others and has nice graphs/stats |
| 17:18.38 | ecc3g | yeah that's what i'm using |
| 17:18.57 | KotCzarny | also, you can even guess if battery drain is on, just by looking at the slope |
| 17:19.09 | ecc3g | exactly... |
| 17:21.19 | ecc3g | i guess it will now have to go through t-mobile to check mail on my home server... long way home. |
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| 17:25.43 | Sicelo | sixwheeledbeast: because Nokia felt that it is not good idea. their pov was that 'some' enterprise networks may need extra input before granting access. of course a moot point, but that's how it is. a bug was opened against this behavior, and nokia replied with a fat WONTFIX :) |
| 17:25.58 | Sicelo | the radius info is saved just fine |
| 17:26.40 | ecc3g | I'm kind of glad it doesn't automatically connect to enterprise wpa2... it'd eat more power :D |
| 17:27.22 | Sicelo | and why would that be? |
| 17:27.30 | ecc3g | ^^^ |
| 17:28.00 | Sicelo | ? |
| 17:28.12 | ecc3g | scroll up, same issue as my home wifi :p |
| 17:28.32 | Sicelo | you could disable it if *you* don't need it. not fsck up device for everyone. |
| 17:29.16 | Sicelo | i fail to see how your issue above relates to wpa-enterpise |
| 17:29.18 | ecc3g | it was meant as a joke if you didn't get it... |
| 17:29.32 | Sicelo | well i wasn't joking. |
| 17:29.46 | ecc3g | it really doesn't matter if it's wpa or wpa-enterprise, it still switched. |
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| 17:56.26 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: I have never connected to Enterprise with N900. So do you get a prompt to connect or do you have to open change connection menu? |
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| 18:07.57 | Sicelo009N | n900 simply doesn't attempt to connect automatically. you have to make the connection yourself |
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| 19:22.03 | sixwheeledbeast | that is odd behaviour |
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| 19:33.54 | Sicelo | sixwheeledbeast: bug 3399 |
| 19:33.55 | povbot | 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/3399 Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise |
| 19:37.13 | Sicelo | comment 4 particularly funny :D |
| 19:42.29 | Sicelo | anyway, poor guy was just a messenger |
| 19:44.16 | Sicelo | loving the quips |
| 19:44.23 | Sicelo | https://bugs.maemo.org/quips.cgi?action=show |
| 19:44.29 | sixwheeledbeast | wow, pre-Fremantle bug |
| 19:44.45 | sixwheeledbeast | with 60 votes and was a WONTFIX |
| 19:46.16 | Sicelo | the logic of the decision was completely flawed |
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| 19:56.18 | KotCzarny | sicelo, have you tried hack from comment 29? |
| 19:58.22 | Sicelo | no. he said it's ugly himself :D |
| 19:58.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:58.50 | KotCzarny | there is a script on that page too (in the comments) |
| 19:59.07 | KotCzarny | so at least you can try making one yourself |
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| 20:01.10 | KotCzarny | and someone wrote qt alternative in comment 49 |
| 20:15.42 | kerio | Pali: did you read http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd ? |
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| 20:33.54 | merlin1991 | jonwil: pong |
| 20:34.08 | jonwil | Would it be possible to get access to push things to cssu-devel? |
| 20:34.19 | jonwil | I believe you mentioned something about it before |
| 20:34.25 | merlin1991 | sure, hit me up with an ssh pub key |
| 20:39.21 | KotCzarny | kerio: that page is beautiful |
| 20:39.41 | KotCzarny | i wonder if debian/fedora devs got paid/moled ? |
| 20:39.56 | jonwil | ~seen freemangordon |
| 20:40.01 | infobot | freemangordon <~ivo@46.249.74.23> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 7d 3h 58s ago, saying: 'I mailed him'. |
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