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| 08:25.03 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 08:25.11 | KotCzarny | my n900 hung during the night charge |
| 08:25.22 | KotCzarny | green light, but not reacting to power button |
| 08:26.09 | KotCzarny | oh, finally, after some time it reacted |
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| 09:01.58 | donatello_ | i dropped mine in the toilet bowl while having an explosive shit |
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| 11:04.07 | ceene | so it seems WA lifts bans on numbers after ~60 days, i.e. 2 months |
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| 11:04.48 | KotCzarny | so 60 accounts should get you through the devving |
| 11:05.44 | ceene | lol |
| 11:06.03 | ceene | assuming i only fuck it up once a day |
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| 11:54.27 | donatello_ | hey, i just installed x11vnc on my n900 |
| 11:54.45 | donatello_ | accessing it from my laptop with viewer client |
| 11:55.52 | donatello_ | one question comes to mind, is it somehow possible to use the remote desktop application while the device screen is in a locked state (the physical "lever" on the side of n900 having been used to lock the device and shut down the screen) |
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| 11:59.23 | ceene | i haven't been able |
| 11:59.44 | ceene | in fact, after a while without use, the screen goes off and so does the remote viewer |
| 12:00.17 | ceene | there's a dbus call to unlock and power on the screen, but that's not ideal as the screen is on and wasting power |
| 12:00.41 | Oksanaa | ceene: Thank you! /trying it out now/ donatello_ : making my n900 (with broken microusb) unable to boot, by filling up rootfs insanely, by trying to use it for on-device development |
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| 12:02.10 | Oksanaa | waves in welcome |
| 12:02.58 | ceene | :) |
| 12:04.53 | donatello_ | well, that's a shame |
| 12:05.16 | donatello_ | anyway, is it normal that mplayer crashes every time i try to use it to play a mp3 file |
| 12:05.22 | Oksanaa | No! |
| 12:05.39 | donatello_ | i always get "MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module" |
| 12:05.50 | KotCzarny | what repo is this mplayer from? |
| 12:06.35 | Oksanaa | well, not for default media player at least. I do not use alternative media players much; default works, for mp3, ogg, flac, mod... |
| 12:08.09 | Oksanaa | Which module, by the way? |
| 12:08.43 | KotCzarny | oksanaa, it has nothing to do with .mod files |
| 12:08.50 | KotCzarny | just an error message |
| 12:08.58 | donatello_ | KotCzarny: extras |
| 12:09.50 | donatello_ | well, i use my n900 as a music player for my stereos |
| 12:10.06 | KotCzarny | donatello, wanna try something nice? |
| 12:10.11 | donatello_ | i'd like to be able to control the functions through ssh |
| 12:10.14 | KotCzarny | ~oscp |
| 12:10.14 | infobot | oscp is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 |
| 12:10.20 | Oksanaa | I mean, if I google text of error, I get decode_video, demux_open, key_events, or whatever... I am taking a guess that module is important |
| 12:10.37 | KotCzarny | you would like it, and it has remote controls |
| 12:10.53 | KotCzarny | (and can be run with ncurses interface too) |
| 12:11.18 | donatello_ | KotCzarny: thanks, i'll sure check that out |
| 12:13.09 | donatello_ | installing atm |
| 12:13.40 | KotCzarny | be sure to greb one from extras-devel, its much newer |
| 12:13.55 | KotCzarny | *grab |
| 12:15.56 | donatello_ | yep |
| 12:18.20 | donatello_ | KotCzarny: its great, i'm using it right now, digging the interface |
| 12:18.33 | ceene | KotCzarny: you should upload it to github or whatever |
| 12:18.55 | KotCzarny | you can use both ncurses interface and remote interface at the same time |
| 12:19.27 | KotCzarny | ie. if you have 2 n900, you can leave one by stereo and control from another n900 (or laptop/pc) |
| 12:19.55 | KotCzarny | ceene: getting there, still have to make proper building/configuration system |
| 12:20.11 | ceene | no you don't :P |
| 12:20.15 | ceene | you first upload it |
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| 12:20.39 | KotCzarny | donatello, if you find any issues/have any feature requests, be sure to post to the talk.maemo page above |
| 12:20.49 | ceene | and maybe someone makes the build system for you |
| 12:21.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:23.44 | KotCzarny | ceene, what i would like is having native windows gui(remote) |
| 12:23.50 | KotCzarny | pygtk instalation is a cow |
| 12:23.55 | KotCzarny | big cow |
| 12:26.11 | ceene | i can't help you there |
| 12:26.52 | ceene | i couldn't write a gui even if my life depended on it |
| 12:26.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 12:27.34 | ceene | some visual basic stuff or whatever they use now should be pretty easy, nonetheless |
| 12:27.49 | ceene | or some java thing |
| 12:27.51 | KotCzarny | assuming one owns vb/vc suite |
| 12:27.59 | ceene | not that i like java |
| 12:28.14 | KotCzarny | java is a cow too (though would have a bonus of working almost everywhere) |
| 12:28.31 | ceene | i think visual studio is now free under certain circumtances? |
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| 12:28.48 | ceene | oe some lite version of it |
| 12:29.11 | ceene | and pyqt? is it lighter? |
| 12:29.25 | KotCzarny | unlikely |
| 12:29.49 | KotCzarny | also, i have shivers at the thought of writing qt/c++ code |
| 12:31.16 | donatello_ | KotCzarny: i havent figured out how to turn up volume xP |
| 12:31.28 | donatello_ | + button on kbd doesnt seem to do anything |
| 12:31.32 | KotCzarny | donatello, keys are configurable |
| 12:32.02 | KotCzarny | also, it uses software volume, so click on the traybar near the clock and set volume there |
| 12:32.27 | KotCzarny | let me check ncurses volume keys |
| 12:32.42 | Oksanaa | has written in HTML, XUL, JS, CSS, C++Qt, Qt-QML, GTK+C, some-small-python... GTK+C is the best |
| 12:33.22 | KotCzarny | volume keys are set to -/= |
| 12:33.36 | KotCzarny | but you can change them in ~/.oscp.conf |
| 12:34.14 | donatello_ | oh yeah found it |
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| 17:58.10 | KotCzarny | ~listkeys staff |
| 17:58.24 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 18:01.50 | KotCzarny | ~listkeys web |
| 18:02.13 | KotCzarny | ~listkeys #maemo web |
| 18:03.40 | someuser | i've tried emailing them but no reply |
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| 18:09.47 | KotCzarny | keep in mind maemo is nonprofit i guess |
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| 20:33.03 | MonkeyofDoom | is there a way to stop headphone unplug events from reaching whichever daemon listens for those? |
| 20:33.26 | KotCzarny | use jack adapter? |
| 20:34.51 | MonkeyofDoom | ? |
| 20:35.01 | KotCzarny | 4 pin into 3 pin |
| 20:35.28 | MonkeyofDoom | my headphone jack is flaky, so afaik that wouldn't help |
| 20:35.42 | MonkeyofDoom | I was hoping to tell the software to just try its hardest to keep playing on headphones |
| 20:35.46 | KotCzarny | glue it? |
| 20:35.50 | KotCzarny | fix it? |
| 20:36.21 | MonkeyofDoom | that would be ideal, yeah |
| 20:36.33 | MonkeyofDoom | but opening my n900 and mucking around is a little higher-stakes than poking at software... they're not exactly easy to come by in case I ruin something |
| 20:37.17 | KotCzarny | depends on region, quite a lot of them going second hand here |
| 20:37.25 | bencoh | I'd try dbus-monitor (or mdbus2? I never remember those) |
| 20:37.35 | bencoh | to trace the dbus event |
| 20:38.11 | KotCzarny | there is also /sys/ entry but i dont know if anything writes to it or is just gpio from the kernel |
| 20:38.35 | MonkeyofDoom | dbus-monitor shows volume changes on plug/unplug but that's it |
| 20:38.58 | MonkeyofDoom | tbh I wouldn't mind too much except there's some race condition that copies headphones volume to speaker volume or vice-versa |
| 20:39.26 | KotCzarny | its more than that, it also reroutes audio |
| 20:39.35 | KotCzarny | most of it happens in pulseaudio |
| 20:39.40 | MonkeyofDoom | rerouting audio is expected |
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| 21:03.57 | klopsi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.23 | klopsi | What is a youtube player for maemo that still works? |
| 21:04.30 | KotCzarny | cutetube2 |
| 21:05.32 | klopsi | my repo only has cutetube |
| 21:06.02 | klopsi | am i missing a repo or is that hosted outside of repos? |
| 21:06.56 | klopsi | ah i am missing devel |
| 21:08.27 | KotCzarny | sad state of repos |
| 21:08.46 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1488237&postcount=48 |
| 21:09.04 | KotCzarny | interesting summary of 'what's wrong with jolla/harmattan' |
| 21:10.01 | klopsi | can you please trigger the bot to show repo list? |
| 21:10.53 | bencoh | cutetube2 should probably go in -testing (at least) |
| 21:11.18 | bencoh | I wonder what marxian thinks about that |
| 21:11.22 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 21:11.23 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 21:11.33 | klopsi | ty |
| 21:12.38 | KotCzarny | no cutetube2 in -testing |
| 21:13.01 | KotCzarny | i guess he gave up even before rewrite |
| 21:14.27 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I know it's not their, I'm just saying it should be |
| 21:15.52 | bencoh | as a maintainer you can "promote" a package to -testing |
| 21:16.13 | KotCzarny | s/their/there/ |
| 21:16.44 | KotCzarny | yes, i know you can promote, but -testing wasnt meant for end-users either |
| 21:17.02 | KotCzarny | -devel for devs, -testing for testers |
| 21:17.30 | bencoh | sure, still that'd be better than -devel =) |
| 21:17.35 | KotCzarny | nooope |
| 21:18.03 | bencoh | ... I think we're running in circle |
| 21:18.14 | KotCzarny | it could be just 2 repos |
| 21:18.31 | KotCzarny | extras and -testing (or -devel, depending which name you like more) |
| 21:18.42 | KotCzarny | one for users and one for testers/devs |
| 21:19.02 | M4rtinK | KotCzarny: wow, I'm getting kinda worried about Pichlos sanity |
| 21:19.12 | bencoh | no, -testing and -devel do not fill the same need |
| 21:19.17 | M4rtinK | KotCzarny: that post is not making sense |
| 21:19.58 | KotCzarny | M4rtinK: not at all? (i havent touched n9/jolla dev because i dont have them) |
| 21:20.27 | bencoh | "Lastly, QML is a resource hog" that's true |
| 21:21.46 | KotCzarny | bencoh: think about it this way: dev does code on his machine, builds package, tests it on his device (without going through repos). if he/she is satisfied, he uploads it for testing/promotion |
| 21:21.52 | KotCzarny | so what is the point of -devel ? |
| 21:22.06 | MonkeyofDoom | tbh I never understood why Maemo has both GTK+ and Qt in the base--using one toolkit for everything would have been lighter on RAM and mmc usage |
| 21:22.20 | M4rtinK | historical reasons |
| 21:22.27 | KotCzarny | MonkeyofDoom: n9 has no gtk (at least officially) |
| 21:22.33 | MonkeyofDoom | hm |
| 21:22.39 | KotCzarny | but people wanted apps to run, so they ported it to it |
| 21:22.45 | MonkeyofDoom | fair, I guess |
| 21:22.47 | M4rtinK | I mamanged to build GTK for the N9 back then ;-) |
| 21:22.58 | KotCzarny | and similar for n900, it had gtk, qt came later |
| 21:23.27 | M4rtinK | IIRC Nokia contributed to GTK/Gnome/Clutter quite a lot |
| 21:23.40 | M4rtinK | but then they bought Qt and switched to it instead |
| 21:23.59 | M4rtinK | at first to mobile styled QWidgets |
| 21:24.00 | bencoh | KotCzarny: problem is, dev (sometimes) tests through -devel |
| 21:24.07 | klopsi | i dont see how to paste a youtube url into cutetube2 - is that possible? |
| 21:24.09 | M4rtinK | then to QML once it came in Qt 4.7 |
| 21:24.38 | bencoh | klopsi: yeah, with some dbus-fu |
| 21:24.39 | M4rtinK | bencoh: well, sometimes you don't have a choice other than the autobuilder for packaging |
| 21:24.50 | bencoh | M4rtinK: exactly :) |
| 21:24.56 | M4rtinK | working Maemo 5 SDK is hard to come by these days |
| 21:25.04 | KotCzarny | bencoh; key word 'sometimes' |
| 21:25.05 | bencoh | and sometimes you just want to test everything, from packaging to deps |
| 21:25.27 | KotCzarny | but still, -testing is for testers, not endusers |
| 21:25.38 | KotCzarny | so people should run with -testing enabled all the time |
| 21:25.48 | KotCzarny | s/should/shouldnt/ |
| 21:25.55 | bencoh | I didnt say they should |
| 21:26.14 | bencoh | I only said cutetube2 should probably go at leastthere |
| 21:26.18 | bencoh | 23:10 < bencoh> cutetube2 should probably go in -testing (at least) |
| 21:26.44 | KotCzarny | klopsi: vajb tried cutetube2 integration, and someone else, dont remember bencoh or sicelo |
| 21:26.50 | KotCzarny | anyway, nite nite |
| 21:27.39 | klopsi | ah pasting links into cutetube2 search works |
| 21:28.01 | klopsi | great program! it lets me choose resolution/quality |
| 21:28.22 | bencoh | klopsi: really ? |
| 21:28.54 | klopsi | worked for me |
| 21:29.02 | bencoh | KotCzarny: unfortunately it wasn't logged by infobot so I'll have to grab n900 to look for the dbus thing :) |
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| 21:45.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: hmm? |
| 21:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I'm missing some context, due to some /ignore |
| 21:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: but chanlogs are on http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog , see /topic |
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| 21:53.47 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, it's just that the ones from infobot.rikers are google-indexed :) |
| 21:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm, that's weird |
| 21:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should ask TimRiker what's the deal with his robots.txt |
| 21:55.18 | bencoh | the search box on mg.pov.it is a pain |
| 21:55.37 | bencoh | 0 matches in 3297 log files with 5557701 lines (66.4 seconds). |
| 21:55.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, I asked the maintainer to augment it to narrow search with a start and end date |
| 21:56.00 | bencoh | google is a tiny bit quicker (and usually gives an answer ;) |
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