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| 07:01.24 | Oksana | Trying to build a binary package on-device is insane, even if it is as simple as maemopad ... |
| 07:01.59 | Oksana | As in, too many build-dependencies |
| 07:35.00 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 07:35.06 | KotCzarny | that's debian for you |
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| 08:04.59 | Oksana | is still trying to do it |
| 08:05.34 | Oksana | what is dh_clean ? It's not in build-dependencies, or something, because building failed |
| 08:06.04 | KotCzarny | man dh_clean on debian-like system? |
| 08:07.05 | KotCzarny | and i bet its just some script you can copy from lenny |
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| 08:14.32 | Oksanaa | cp: unrecognized option `--remove-destination' |
| 08:14.53 | Oksanaa | What package or config is needed for this? |
| 08:15.24 | Oksanaa | And yes, I am still trying to build maemopad on-device |
| 08:17.15 | Oksanaa | Lag: 92 |
| 08:18.37 | KotCzarny | i guess its old sh |
| 08:18.40 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 08:18.43 | KotCzarny | busybox's sh |
| 08:19.00 | Oksanaa | Okay, what's new sh? |
| 08:19.19 | KotCzarny | 1/ install bash3 or bash4 |
| 08:19.37 | KotCzarny | 2/ find the script containing --remove-destination and change first line to bash3 or bash4 |
| 08:19.51 | Oksanaa | tries bash3 |
| 08:20.26 | Oksanaa | already installed |
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| 08:46.31 | ceene | it's gonna be binutils then |
| 08:46.43 | ceene | coreutils: /bin/cp |
| 08:46.44 | ceene | nop |
| 08:46.45 | ceene | coreutils |
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| 09:05.24 | KotCzarny | ceene, you cant easily replace system ones |
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| 15:07.29 | sunshavi | Hi guys. any idea where I can get libicd-network-dummy for n800 (os2008) |
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| 15:16.29 | klopsi-u3 | ~repo |
| 15:16.35 | infobot | The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications |
| 15:16.46 | klopsi-u3 | eh wut |
| 15:17.00 | klopsi-u3 | sunshavi: sorry i don't know the current location of os2008 repo |
| 15:20.02 | sunshavi | I got a link to gitorious that does not exist |
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| 15:27.35 | sunshavi | can I just get the n900 equivalent and compile it. The worst that would happen is it not working |
| 15:39.31 | klopsi-u3 | dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot :) |
| 15:42.27 | sunshavi | klopsi-u3: thoes links are broken on my side. Those links work for You? |
| 15:44.50 | klopsi-u3 | the links from infobot are not maemo os2008 |
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| 15:45.42 | sunshavi | Right. But are wroken or do they work on git? |
| 15:46.11 | klopsi-u3 | the link doesn't work for me |
| 15:51.42 | krnlyng | hi, i have installed community ssu testing to install a newer version of gcc, but apt-cache does not find any new packages, what do i have to do? |
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| 16:04.16 | sunshavi | the only place where I got running a new compiler (for n800) was on scratchbox2 aka sb2. No idea if that is possible for n900. Or if the CSSU let's You do that. |
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| 16:22.46 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 16:22.46 | infobot | maemo-repos is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 16:29.34 | klopsi-u3 | sunshavi: ^ |
| 16:33.42 | sunshavi | thanks klopsi that's the one that is enabled on this device, ircing from it now |
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| 20:43.04 | Oksanaa | Is there a way to auto-write-down musical notes by having software listen to musical file (such as, flac)? |
| 20:43.49 | Oksanaa | Or is asking the author for notes easier? |
| 20:44.42 | klopsi-u3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.12 | klopsi-u3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.56 | klopsi-u3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.22 | KotCzarny | well, fft peaks will show the notes |
| 20:56.37 | KotCzarny | so its just as easy as writing peak hunter |
| 20:57.01 | KotCzarny | and usually you look for specific hz range, so that makes it easier |
| 20:58.51 | klopsi-u3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.50 | KotCzarny | sure, but its up to you to choose which are notes and which are overtones |
| 21:00.22 | KotCzarny | if you train on some specific instrument you can look for sets of peaks |
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| 21:04.03 | klopsi-u3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.28 | Oksana | Music played by one musician cannot be _that_ complex, right? Even if he uses electronic music?.. |
| 21:06.43 | bencoh | actually it can be quite "complex" |
| 21:07.20 | bencoh | complex enough to translate it back to notes/chords on a sheet, at least |
| 21:07.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:07.46 | bencoh | it's a bit like RE/disassembling :) |
| 21:07.47 | KotCzarny | still, doable if you have at least a bit of musical talent |
| 21:08.01 | KotCzarny | and software can help |
| 21:08.14 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I think it takes a lot more than just "a bit of musical talent" |
| 21:08.15 | Oksana | Alright, with electronic music he is not exactly confined to one instrument at a time... Actually, I will just ask him. I hope he would be interested in somebody trying to put text to his text-less music |
| 21:09.14 | Oksana | On the note, would anybody be interested in extending media player subtitles plugin to display subtitles for music (not only video) ? |
| 21:09.54 | KotCzarny | well |
| 21:09.55 | klopsi-u3 | not me |
| 21:09.57 | Oksana | Because I do not see other way to display lyrics for songs? |
| 21:10.05 | KotCzarny | midi format already has ability to synch text to music |
| 21:10.11 | Sicelo | there are lyrics in OMP |
| 21:10.19 | Oksana | How to see them? |
| 21:10.22 | bencoh | err ... do you think the gstreamer subtitles plugin works well enough as it is? |
| 21:10.24 | KotCzarny | and any competent midi player would be able to do it |
| 21:10.26 | bencoh | it's slow as hell :/ |
| 21:10.38 | bencoh | (at least for libASS subtitles) |
| 21:10.46 | Sicelo | Oksana: how to see them? enable the function :) |
| 21:10.58 | bencoh | I get framedrop when trying to use it |
| 21:11.08 | KotCzarny | most musicians make music using midi |
| 21:11.21 | bencoh | KotCzarny: ermm .... |
| 21:11.24 | KotCzarny | at least that was the case some time ago |
| 21:11.49 | Sicelo | loves MIDI .. from the days of polyphonic tones :) |
| 21:11.51 | KotCzarny | because midi is not just plinking, its also about synchronizing events |
| 21:11.51 | bencoh | some musicians still play on organic instruments, you know ? :D |
| 21:12.46 | KotCzarny | hmm, maybe i shall add text events to midi files too |
| 21:12.59 | Oksana | Yes, I know. But they do not often record their music ;-/ I do attend local ensemble concerts sometimes, but they would benefit from recording and releasing the pieces, I think |
| 21:13.04 | KotCzarny | (though i think i did it already, just not showing) |
| 21:13.22 | KotCzarny | oksana, so its not original music just some dj mixing things? |
| 21:13.55 | bencoh | "dj" ... |
| 21:14.20 | ecc3g | \ |
| 21:14.42 | KotCzarny | do they use instruments at all? |
| 21:14.49 | KotCzarny | if yes, put camera nearby ;) |
| 21:17.25 | Oksana | The one local I am visiting is real-music, aka piano, violin, flute, and some other instruments |
| 21:17.39 | KotCzarny | or mic, that way you will grab the important fft peaks easier |
| 21:18.39 | klopsi-u3 | look at a fft of complex music more closely KotCzarny |
| 21:18.41 | klopsi-u3 | it's a mess |
| 21:19.39 | KotCzarny | klopsi, one instrument uses only SOME of it, and at fixed places |
| 21:19.40 | Oksana | The local often plays "well-known" music, such as Mozart, so finding notes for it should be easy. But the flac I am listening to is not-local-DJ, and I do not think he has published his notes |
| 21:20.43 | KotCzarny | oksana, use any audio editor that can show you the fft, then estimate how clearly you can see instruments that interest you |
| 21:21.13 | KotCzarny | best parts are when there is no noise/arrangements in the bg and only interesting instrument is playing (ie. solo) |
| 21:21.53 | bencoh | KotCzarny: have you ever tried that? |
| 21:22.40 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:22.54 | KotCzarny | i've seen many ffts |
| 21:23.13 | KotCzarny | and there is a good chance to see notes clearly |
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| 21:25.50 | klopsi-u3 | btw back around 1993 there was a program that let you make a soundfile out of an image, treating the image as a fft |
| 21:26.14 | klopsi-u3 | aphex twin put his face into one of his songs |
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| 21:38.10 | KotCzarny | aphex style allowed such thing |
| 21:38.18 | KotCzarny | try that with the pop music |
| 21:38.40 | klopsi-u3 | hehe |
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| 22:30.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: check out what Steinberg offers |
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| 22:52.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: http://www.celemony.com/en/service1/about-celemony/technologies?checkLang=1 |
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