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| 06:12.33 | Maxdamantus | http://maxdamantus.eu.org/epa.jpg |
| 06:16.37 | Vajb | how did u made body for those parts? Some sort of epoxy? |
| 06:17.07 | Maxdamantus | Yes, just five-minute epoxy. |
| 06:18.27 | Vajb | were u able to make shape from fresh epoxy or u carved it after it cure? |
| 06:19.15 | Maxdamantus | Fresh, but usually with multiple applications a few minutes apart. |
| 06:19.42 | kerio | wtf is htat |
| 06:19.43 | kerio | that |
| 06:20.04 | Maxdamantus | My modularised earphones. |
| 06:20.06 | Vajb | i see. Should be sturdy and even waterproof. |
| 06:22.32 | Maxdamantus | Unfortunately there are still jacks for water to get into. |
| 06:23.47 | Maxdamantus | In the case of the earpieces though, the crevasses for the jacks are isolated from the ones for the speakers. |
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| 06:27.04 | nick20151916 | my n900 asks |
| 06:28.09 | nick20151916 | my n900 says "insufficient charnign power" on half of laptop usb ports. Is it possible to fix this? |
| 06:28.54 | Maxdamantus | nick20151916: is the laptop on? |
| 06:30.52 | nick20151916 | yes |
| 06:31.06 | nick20151916 | it is on different PCs |
| 06:32.10 | nick20151916 | I believe that it's possible to change n900's requirements to power |
| 06:32.46 | Luke-Jr | offline mode probably will help |
| 06:34.29 | ecc3g | whenever I see "insufficient charging power" the USB port really is too weak... |
| 06:34.54 | nick20151916 | btw, my external battery(XP18000) doesn't charge it too |
| 06:35.11 | ecc3g | if I can't get 100mA from the USB port, I don't bother |
| 06:37.32 | nick20151916 | so it is obvious that the problem is in n900, not in other devices |
| 06:39.03 | ecc3g | if a regular wall charger can charge it, then it's not a problem with the n900 either... |
| 06:39.20 | Vajb | Maxdamantus: maybe u could put o-rings over plugs. So it would seal when connected. |
| 06:40.04 | Maxdamantus | I suspect it's already pretty much water-resistant when connected. |
| 06:42.24 | nick20151916 | ecc3g the problem is that my n900 is the only device that is charging reliably with wall chargers only. |
| 06:43.25 | nick20151916 | my 7" tablet never complains about the chargers |
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| 07:17.57 | J0hnnyBrav0 | Trying to work through well documented issue about failed catalogues. I tried the solutions I found...but seems like the repos are no longer up. Can someone point me to the proper repos please? |
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| 07:22.47 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 07:22.51 | infobot | well, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 07:23.06 | KotCzarny | nick20151916: maybe the cable is bad? |
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| 07:27.23 | J0hnnyBrav0 | Thank you! |
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| 07:49.01 | Vajb | yes cable could be the problem also. I have one powerbank with extendable cable. It doesn't charge n900 at all. Even though it looks like standard cable. |
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| 07:59.32 | jonwil | merlin1991: ping |
| 08:19.51 | nick20151916 | I used different cables |
| 08:20.46 | nick20151916 | the problem have persisted for 5 years so i tried different combinations |
| 08:35.28 | KotCzarny | nick20151916: maybe your n900 is special |
| 08:36.45 | KotCzarny | unless all the devices you've tried are having some incompatibility |
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| 09:12.34 | Vajb | is there program for measuring g-forces? |
| 09:12.58 | KotCzarny | i dont think internal sensor is accurate enough |
| 09:13.18 | KotCzarny | if there is one, that is |
| 09:14.48 | Vajb | yes. I heard they were planning to implement racechrono for maemo, but that didn't happen 'cause maemo didn't make it to mainstream. |
| 09:19.01 | Maxdamantus | `ameter` seems to work fine. |
| 09:20.40 | Maxdamantus | The sensor seems accurate enough. It tells me the expected rate of upward acceleration it's feeling as it's sitting on a table (9.81 something m/s^2) |
| 09:20.56 | Maxdamantus | actually, it uses units of "g" |
| 09:24.08 | Maxdamantus | also, I think Nokia themselves made some ball game using the accelerometer. |
| 09:24.35 | bencoh | indeed |
| 09:24.39 | KotCzarny | mine doesnt seem to work then |
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| 09:26.59 | Vajb | k will try ameter |
| 09:29.41 | Maxdamantus | ameter seems more natural with the default value for g negated. |
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| 09:35.22 | Vajb | at least it stays constant 1g if device is held vertically |
| 09:35.34 | KotCzarny | matrix |
| 09:35.42 | KotCzarny | you are in one |
| 09:35.49 | Vajb | will try how it works in car |
| 09:35.50 | Maxdamantus | Indeed. That's because your hand is accelerating upwards at 1 g. |
| 09:36.31 | Vajb | yeah. Im faster than bruce lee |
| 09:37.54 | Vajb | only thing missing is storing max g values |
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| 09:58.18 | brolin_empey | Oksana: Years ago, I bought dedicated Nokia BL-5J/BL-4J battery chargers on eBay. I do not know if such chargers are still available, though. |
| 09:59.04 | KotCzarny | li-ion is a li-ion |
| 09:59.15 | KotCzarny | if you know the pins |
| 10:01.56 | brolin_empey | I have already replaced my replacement for my Nokia N900, though. I replaced my Nokia N900 with a Geeksphone Revolution, which I have replaced with a Samsung Galaxy Note 3. |
| 10:06.30 | KotCzarny | nice, atom phone |
| 10:06.42 | kerio | my replacement for the n900 was another n900 |
| 10:06.50 | KotCzarny | +1 kerio |
| 10:07.01 | KotCzarny | i already have 2.5 spare n900s |
| 10:07.18 | kerio | i might bite the bullet and switch to android though |
| 10:07.33 | KotCzarny | i've tried android, it was awful |
| 10:08.14 | kerio | yea but it's got specs |
| 10:08.19 | kerio | i like specs |
| 10:08.26 | KotCzarny | and os eats 3/4 of them |
| 10:08.33 | Wizzup | the n900 also has specs |
| 10:08.41 | KotCzarny | and also os eats 3/4 of them |
| 10:08.48 | Wizzup | more than many others |
| 10:08.54 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: :P |
| 10:09.09 | kerio | Wizzup: the n900 has a keyboard |
| 10:09.11 | kerio | a screen |
| 10:09.12 | kerio | and no ram |
| 10:09.27 | KotCzarny | but still, if you start with 1G of ram 1/4 of it is more than 1/4 in n900 |
| 10:09.58 | Wizzup | kerio: no ram? |
| 10:11.26 | kerio | Mem: fuck all all none |
| 10:11.35 | kerio | kinda like that |
| 10:13.06 | KotCzarny | if we replace hildon-dekstop with fluxbox we can regain some |
| 10:15.26 | brolin_empey | kerio: I meant replacement in terms of model, not in terms of instances of same model. My first Nokia N900 was replaced with another Nokia N900 due to broken microUSB connector. |
| 10:16.22 | KotCzarny | i still use my first n900 |
| 10:16.27 | KotCzarny | (since 2009) |
| 10:16.34 | kerio | this one has a broken wifi |
| 10:16.39 | kerio | the old one has a broken musb |
| 10:16.41 | kerio | feels bad man |
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| 10:16.49 | KotCzarny | it even has the original battery which holds charge for 4-5 days |
| 10:17.57 | KotCzarny | and if one doesnt need modern (bloated) browser it has very good set of features |
| 10:18.07 | KotCzarny | fm transmitter, ir transmitter |
| 10:18.47 | KotCzarny | and of course linux |
| 10:18.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:20.13 | kerio | "linux" |
| 10:20.30 | kerio | as it is, we have no way to run a recent enough glibc |
| 10:22.17 | KotCzarny | if what sicelo said is true recent kernel has working cmt-speech |
| 10:23.55 | kerio | also fuck linux |
| 10:23.57 | kerio | it's bad |
| 10:24.03 | kerio | bsd or death |
| 10:24.34 | KotCzarny | sure, whatever |
| 10:24.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:26.31 | brolin_empey | Anyway, is there a model of fanless >=80686 notebook computer with a decent/proper integrated display instead of a pathetic TN AMLCD panel like in my Dell Latitude X1? |
| 10:28.37 | kerio | brolin_empey: macbooks have IPS panels |
| 10:28.42 | kerio | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 10:29.51 | kerio | the 2015 macbooks |
| 10:29.59 | kerio | the ones with less specs than the ipad pro |
| 10:31.18 | kerio | oh hey, the specs are similar to the latitude x1 huehueahueh |
| 10:32.20 | kerio | no but seriously the 2015 macbook is trash |
| 10:35.33 | brolin_empey | kerio: Is the 2015 MacBook proper (not MacBook Pro) fanless? Reportedly it is but I do not know based on my own experience. Does it have an integrated numeric keypad (overlaid is OK) and an integrated Ethernet port? |
| 10:35.49 | kerio | yes, no, no |
| 10:35.56 | kerio | it doesn't have ports |
| 10:36.14 | kerio | well idk about the numeric keypad |
| 10:36.30 | kerio | i guess you can just kludge it with a keyboard layout |
| 10:37.07 | kerio | the 2015 macbook has a headphone jack (supports mic, iirc), and a usb C port |
| 10:37.09 | KotCzarny | one can hack ips display into thinkpad x40 |
| 10:37.11 | kerio | that's it |
| 10:37.21 | KotCzarny | (which is the last truly fanless machine) |
| 10:37.40 | kerio | KotCzarny: but the macbook is fanless .-. |
| 10:37.50 | KotCzarny | and what can you do with the macbook? |
| 10:38.19 | kerio | run a browser |
| 10:38.31 | KotCzarny | wow |
| 10:38.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:39.06 | KotCzarny | can you run realBSD on it? |
| 10:39.18 | kerio | i dunno |
| 10:39.24 | kerio | it likely runs netbsd |
| 10:39.27 | kerio | because, you know, netbsd |
| 10:39.33 | KotCzarny | osx is not realbsd |
| 10:39.58 | kerio | 1.1ghz dual core intel core M with boost up to 2.4 |
| 10:40.03 | kerio | except that you will never actually boost to 2.4 |
| 10:40.16 | kerio | and, in fact, sustained loads will throttle it down to like 900mhz |
| 10:40.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:40.38 | brolin_empey | Can an x86 Mac even directly boot from an HDD/SSD using the MBR/MS-DOS disk label instead of the newfangled GPT? |
| 10:40.55 | KotCzarny | gpt is not bad |
| 10:40.57 | kerio | brolin_empey: i'm actually not sure about the latest versions actually |
| 10:41.00 | KotCzarny | you are thinking of uefi |
| 10:41.06 | kerio | because in theory they dropped w7 support |
| 10:41.14 | kerio | and both 8 and 10 boot via efi |
| 10:41.37 | kerio | xp, vista and 7 used to boot via bios emulation, yes |
| 10:41.52 | kerio | with all that protective mbr crap |
| 10:42.06 | kerio | freebsd can boot via uefi |
| 10:42.22 | KotCzarny | thats assuming uefi bios allows it |
| 10:42.47 | kerio | macs don't have secure boot |
| 10:43.21 | KotCzarny | but they go into that direction too |
| 10:43.32 | KotCzarny | so they probably have it, just not used yet |
| 10:43.32 | kerio | do they? |
| 10:43.42 | kerio | they mostly ignored the efi stuff, actually |
| 10:43.53 | kerio | os x boots without an efi system partition |
| 10:44.01 | kerio | you only need it for firmware upgrades |
| 10:44.27 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I currently have no need to switch from the IBM Personal Computer-compatible BIOS and MBR/MS-DOS disk label, hence my question. |
| 10:44.47 | kerio | brolin_empey: no good reason to stay on it either, though |
| 10:44.54 | KotCzarny | brolin, i think grub2 can happily boot gpt partitions |
| 10:45.14 | kerio | and yea, you only need a specific partitioning system to boot from a partition |
| 10:45.30 | kerio | but booting from partitions is like not even well supported anymore, anyway |
| 10:45.44 | kerio | grub on debian complains if it's not installed on a disk |
| 10:45.50 | KotCzarny | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2#BIOS_with_GPT |
| 10:45.57 | kerio | indeed |
| 10:46.05 | KotCzarny | as i said, gpt is not evil, uefi is |
| 10:47.57 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I never said GPT is evil. I said GPT is newfangled, which it is compared to the 1980s establishment. |
| 10:48.53 | kerio | the future is bootloaderless |
| 10:56.13 | brolin_empey | kerio: Does the 2015 MacBook have internal removable non-volatile memory? |
| 10:56.34 | KotCzarny | it will only reach bootloaderless state when all memory becomes nonvolatile |
| 10:57.01 | KotCzarny | otherwise you will always need some kind of 'load the next stage' |
| 10:57.21 | kerio | brolin_empey: idk if the m2 ssd is removable |
| 10:57.38 | KotCzarny | m2 by definition is socketed |
| 10:57.46 | KotCzarny | otherwise its just pcie |
| 10:57.47 | kerio | hm |
| 10:58.20 | KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2 |
| 10:58.51 | kerio | nope, not removable |
| 10:58.55 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 10:59.03 | kerio | https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/bgZDFB3MHBQaSVWC.huge |
| 10:59.06 | kerio | it's the orange |
| 10:59.35 | KotCzarny | but then again, its not m.2 |
| 10:59.48 | KotCzarny | just connected to the system bus |
| 10:59.52 | kerio | in fact, it's custom made |
| 11:00.32 | KotCzarny | Buses exposed through the M.2 connector are PCI Express 3.0, Serial ATA (SATA) 3.0 and USB 3.0 |
| 11:02.51 | KotCzarny | Beside socketed modules, the M.2 standard also includes support for permanently soldered single-sided modules.[11] |
| 11:03.04 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 11:03.31 | brolin_empey | I have been screwed too many times by relying on non-volatile memory fixed on a motherboard. My Dell Latitude X1 boots from a removable 1.8-inch PATA SSD. |
| 11:03.34 | kerio | it's not standard i think |
| 11:03.49 | KotCzarny | kerio, it is |
| 11:03.51 | kerio | brolin_empey: yea but this one is a ssd :3 |
| 11:03.56 | kerio | KotCzarny: no, the macbook one |
| 11:04.01 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 11:04.35 | KotCzarny | brolin, i'm using 1.8" pata-ssd(msata) adapter for my thinkpad x40 |
| 11:04.38 | KotCzarny | works like a charm |
| 11:05.00 | KotCzarny | and you can get newer/bigger/cheaper ssds that way |
| 11:05.30 | KotCzarny | pata ssds are overpriced, 1.8" are overpriced^2 |
| 11:06.47 | brolin_empey | kerio: As opposed to what? I said SSD, not HDD. I bought my Latitude X1 used without neither an HDD nor an SSD. |
| 11:08.48 | kerio | sata is too slow for modern ssds |
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| 11:09.08 | KotCzarny | 70MB/s with instant seeks is enough |
| 11:09.19 | KotCzarny | unless you constantly move gigs of data |
| 11:09.23 | kerio | i didn't say sata is too slow for you |
| 11:09.31 | kerio | i said sata is too slow for modern ssds |
| 11:09.33 | KotCzarny | its the iops that matters for daily use |
| 11:09.52 | kerio | yes |
| 11:10.41 | KotCzarny | and mind you, i used to run that x40 from compactflash card |
| 11:10.54 | KotCzarny | (half of the os was in tmpfs, he he) |
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| 11:21.47 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Does your ThinkPad X40 have an IPS panel? |
| 11:22.20 | KotCzarny | i was thinking about it, even got me panel, but never made a cable needed |
| 11:22.20 | Maxdamantus | tmpfs is subject to swapping. Use ramfs. |
| 11:22.50 | KotCzarny | my soldering skills are close to 0 |
| 11:23.26 | KotCzarny | and soldering something to flexcable needs a bit of these |
| 11:23.32 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: And is a ThinkPad X40 with IPS panel still obtainable? |
| 11:24.05 | KotCzarny | there were never x40 model with ips panel, but if you find cmpatible and flexcable modded, it just works |
| 11:25.06 | KotCzarny | it doesnt require any electronics, just pin reorder |
| 11:25.46 | KotCzarny | also, mind you, x40 is singlec core pentium-m |
| 11:26.13 | KotCzarny | x60s is obtainable with ips display, but its not as energy efficient as good ol' x40 |
| 11:27.25 | KotCzarny | x40 in idle without any fan achieves ~35-40C |
| 11:27.49 | kerio | my mbp reaches 100C with full load on cpu and gpu |
| 11:27.51 | kerio | :\ |
| 11:28.17 | KotCzarny | well, with fan on and full load x40 reaches ~60-67C |
| 11:28.21 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I have not yet looked up the specifications of the ThinkPad X40. However, my Latitude X1 has a 1.1-GHz Pentium M. |
| 11:28.36 | KotCzarny | x40 has 1.2 or 1.5GHz cpu |
| 11:29.06 | KotCzarny | x60 can have 1.6-2.2GHz coreduo |
| 11:29.34 | KotCzarny | x60s has 1.83 max i think |
| 11:29.39 | KotCzarny | (low voltage) |
| 11:30.34 | KotCzarny | there were ulv models too |
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| 11:33.03 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: If the ThinkPad X40 has a fan, why are we discussing the ThinkPad X40? A computer with a fan that can be configured to run without using the fan is not the same as a computer without a fan. The Latitude X1 is literally fanless. |
| 11:33.50 | KotCzarny | brolin, it has a fan, but it can be disabled |
| 11:33.51 | kerio | i'm confident that my macbook pro would work without fans |
| 11:33.57 | kerio | it would work really badly, but it would work |
| 11:35.54 | KotCzarny | brolin, and as i said, in idle without a fan has <40C, undervolted and throttled to 1.2GHz it can run without fan too |
| 11:36.08 | KotCzarny | which is why 1.1GHz in your latitude can go without |
| 11:36.10 | kerio | yeah but you still have fans |
| 11:36.14 | kerio | they still take up space |
| 11:36.23 | KotCzarny | sure, but they are configurable if you need cpu power |
| 11:36.26 | kerio | they still weigh |
| 11:36.31 | KotCzarny | um |
| 11:36.41 | KotCzarny | you know x40 weighs ~1.5kg? |
| 11:36.50 | KotCzarny | a bit less with ssd ? |
| 11:38.03 | KotCzarny | Minimum: 1.23kg (2.7lb) |
| 11:40.04 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: How is the fanless configuration achieved? By configuring only the BIOS or other firmware, or by configuring the OS installation? |
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| 11:44.56 | kerio | my mbp weighs 2kg |
| 12:10.55 | KotCzarny | brolin: user space app (and kernel support for thinkpad bios functions) |
| 12:11.14 | KotCzarny | brolin, google thinkpad fan control |
| 12:11.38 | KotCzarny | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed |
| 12:13.53 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: More generally, by configuring the OS installation. |
| 12:17.11 | KotCzarny | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed#Automated_program_-_Simple_ThinkPad_Fan_Control |
| 12:20.58 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I looked up the specifications of the ThinkPad X40 (https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd012476). Compared to the Latitude X1, the ThinkPad X40 has fewer columns on the integrated display (1024Ã768 instead of 1280Ã768), uses one generation earlier of DRAM (DDR1 SDRAM instead of DDR2 SDRAM), and possibly has a lower maximum amount of main memory. |
| 12:21.18 | KotCzarny | max is 1.5GB |
| 12:21.56 | KotCzarny | but its enough for most things (unless you run gnome/kde behemoths) |
| 12:22.13 | KotCzarny | for single core and quite operation xfce/fluxbox is recommended tho |
| 12:22.19 | KotCzarny | *quiet |
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| 12:25.39 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: The Latitude X1 supports up to approximately 2 GiB using a 2-GiB SODIMM but Dell says the maximum for the Latitude X1 is 1.25 GiB (256 MiB fixed on motherboard + 1 GiB on SODIMM) because a 2-GiB SODIMM was not available when the Latitude X1 was developed. |
| 12:26.08 | kerio | how can you use that |
| 12:26.14 | KotCzarny | use what? |
| 12:26.30 | kerio | my irc client is currently using 550mb of ram |
| 12:26.39 | KotCzarny | unless they crippled it in bios/chipset latitude x1 should work with 2GB module |
| 12:27.20 | KotCzarny | kerio, is that systemd-irc ? |
| 12:27.27 | kerio | no |
| 12:27.38 | bencoh | kerio: web irc client? |
| 12:27.39 | kerio | but it's an irc client that uses webkit for rendering |
| 12:27.46 | kerio | and i have huge scrollbacks |
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| 12:27.50 | bencoh | bwahaha |
| 12:27.54 | bencoh | (sorry) |
| 12:28.09 | KotCzarny | my irc client uses whatever-the-f*ck-terminal-you-are-using rendering |
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| 12:28.30 | KotCzarny | and doesnt rely on big gfx buffers to render things |
| 12:28.37 | kerio | haters gonna hate |
| 12:28.46 | KotCzarny | users gonna use |
| 12:28.55 | bencoh | kerio: seriously, which one is it? |
| 12:29.00 | kerio | textual |
| 12:29.05 | kerio | (ironically enough) |
| 12:29.09 | bencoh | :D |
| 12:29.10 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 12:30.19 | kerio | i mean |
| 12:30.27 | kerio | i *am* keeping 5 days of messages right now |
| 12:30.46 | kerio | 2000 messages |
| 12:31.09 | KotCzarny | sure, 2000*512byte msg len == what, 1MB ? |
| 12:31.17 | kerio | ayy lmao |
| 12:31.41 | KotCzarny | in that case my irc client can store 500 days of messages in 500megs |
| 12:32.33 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: You seem to have incorrectly assumed that I want to run GNU+Linux(+X) on a fanless >=80686 notebook computer. My Latitude X1 runs Windows 8.1 Enterprise for x86-32 (with hostname âsolidarityâ because it is a solid-state computer). |
| 12:32.56 | kerio | hold on i just realized that you are talking about 32bit computers |
| 12:32.59 | kerio | fucking disgusting |
| 12:33.05 | KotCzarny | brolin, you didnt mention any os |
| 12:33.09 | bencoh | kerio: wai, what? |
| 12:33.16 | KotCzarny | also, win8, seriously? |
| 12:33.22 | kerio | bencoh: something something aslr |
| 12:33.23 | KotCzarny | its designed for touch screens |
| 12:33.45 | KotCzarny | thinkpads x61 are the ones with 64bit capable cpus |
| 12:34.27 | KotCzarny | also, running windows on anything less than 2GB is a mistake |
| 12:34.50 | kerio | does windows fundamentals have a w7 equivalent? |
| 12:35.27 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: My Latitude X1 has approximately 2 GiB of main memory. |
| 12:38.58 | KotCzarny | still, its a waste imo |
| 12:39.04 | brolin_empey | kerio: My primary (desktop) computer at both ${HOME} and ${WORK} has a Core 2 x86-64 CPU but I do not use long mode because I use an x86-32 OS with PAE. Also, the Nokia N900 is a 32-bit computer. :-P |
| 12:39.19 | KotCzarny | for old cpus one shall disable as much as you can |
| 12:42.06 | KotCzarny | one useful feature that often comes with -64 is virtualization |
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| 13:46.22 | bencoh | by the way, looks like my headphones (or headphones jack) are dead, not my n900 :) |
| 13:46.35 | KotCzarny | hoo-ray? |
| 13:46.40 | bencoh | yup :) |
| 13:46.49 | bencoh | I really didnt want to mess with it open |
| 13:46.50 | KotCzarny | did you meet someone new too? |
| 13:46.56 | bencoh | nah, I just got home |
| 13:46.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:58.10 | vakkov | can someone tell me a command to change the date ... date -s doesnt work |
| 13:58.18 | KotCzarny | ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 14:05.17 | vakkov | no, i broke the os :P doesnt matter :D date 110813452015 does it |
| 14:05.23 | vakkov | now i need to synchronise the hwclock :D |
| 14:05.29 | KotCzarny | hwclock -w |
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| 14:06.03 | vakkov | (y) |
| 14:07.46 | KotCzarny | but ntpdate is the best as long you have internet connection |
| 14:07.55 | KotCzarny | (or working server on the network) |
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| 14:16.57 | ceene | i was wondering |
| 14:17.12 | ceene | is there any app for n900 that does ocr on more or less real time? |
| 14:17.17 | ceene | or even just ocr |
| 14:17.23 | ceene | without any kind of real time :) |
| 14:17.28 | ceene | i mean, handwritten ocr |
| 14:17.33 | KotCzarny | try tesseract from google? |
| 14:17.55 | KotCzarny | or do you mean user entry text? |
| 14:18.03 | ceene | user entry text |
| 14:18.07 | ceene | i want to draw on a note taking app |
| 14:18.14 | ceene | and select a chunk of it and ask it to ocr that |
| 14:18.19 | KotCzarny | dont remember if n8x0 had one |
| 14:18.25 | ceene | so i can take notes with drawings and have the text converted to, well, text |
| 14:18.37 | ceene | i believe there are apps for that for ios and android |
| 14:18.40 | KotCzarny | and actually its not done via ocr but capturing pen moves |
| 14:18.52 | ceene | that'd be cool too |
| 14:19.08 | ceene | i could even go with something like palm's alphabet |
| 14:19.13 | ceene | that was fast |
| 14:19.14 | KotCzarny | i mean, its just gestures, right? |
| 14:19.29 | ceene | yep, in the end it is |
| 14:19.38 | ceene | i used to take notes on my palm tx |
| 14:19.41 | ceene | and it was quite fast |
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| 16:42.30 | ceene | graffiti it was called! |
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| 18:38.46 | Sicelo | ceene: graffiti looks like handwriting recognition? try cellwriter on N900 |
| 18:41.45 | ceene | it isn't on the repos it seems |
| 18:42.07 | ceene | oh, but it's on the garage |
| 18:42.45 | Sicelo | has one annoying bug .. on reboot, loses your learned strokes :( |
| 18:42.49 | Sicelo | maybe you can fix that :) |
| 18:43.09 | KotCzarny | looks like it doesnt save its data/config? |
| 18:43.18 | KotCzarny | maybe tries to write protected dir |
| 18:44.35 | ceene | it's less than 8000 lines of C |
| 18:44.52 | ceene | i'll try it |
| 18:45.00 | ceene | and i don't discard fixing that if it's feasible |
| 18:45.33 | KotCzarny | and you can even make it into systemwide input plugin? |
| 18:45.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:46.00 | ceene | that'd require some n900 specific api knowledge |
| 18:46.08 | ceene | so i won't promise anything :P |
| 18:46.32 | KotCzarny | but if you like taking notes or just prefer writing instead of tapping letters.. |
| 18:46.34 | Sicelo | it is system-wide already |
| 18:46.41 | KotCzarny | hoo-ray? |
| 18:46.52 | Sicelo | just this non-saving issue |
| 18:47.16 | ceene | gconftool-2 --type string /apps/osso/inputmethod/default-plugins/finger -s him_cellwriter |
| 18:47.19 | ceene | so i do that |
| 18:47.21 | Sicelo | yeah |
| 18:47.21 | ceene | and instead of the virtual keyboard |
| 18:47.27 | ceene | the cell thing will appear so i can write there |
| 18:47.32 | Sicelo | exactly :) |
| 18:47.42 | Sicelo | first time you may need to reboot |
| 18:47.59 | ceene | is there something else i need to run first to configure? |
| 18:48.20 | Sicelo | nothing besides that gconf one-liner |
| 18:50.03 | ceene | rebooting then |
| 18:58.21 | ceene | uhm |
| 18:58.22 | ceene | it works |
| 18:58.25 | Sicelo | looks like there's even a gui for it :) |
| 18:58.27 | Sicelo | http://intranet/Home/MorningWorship?Length=4 |
| 18:58.28 | ceene | i didn't expect that |
| 18:58.32 | Sicelo | never seen this before |
| 18:58.38 | Sicelo | yes, haha. it works |
| 18:58.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:58.48 | Sicelo | ah.. bad link .. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86640 |
| 18:59.04 | KotCzarny | funnily how many things work on n900, isnt it? |
| 18:59.31 | ceene | yep |
| 18:59.40 | ceene | with a little more attention it could have been huge |
| 19:00.09 | ceene | and |
| 19:00.14 | ceene | the thing is that i have to train it |
| 19:00.20 | ceene | and the problem is that it loses the training files? |
| 19:00.45 | Sicelo | yes |
| 19:01.04 | ceene | so it's basically useless right now |
| 19:01.07 | Arch-TK | ceene: what? n900? |
| 19:01.11 | ceene | Arch-TK: yep |
| 19:01.20 | Sicelo | if you don't reboot, it's useful :D |
| 19:01.23 | ceene | i think the saving code is there |
| 19:01.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:01.29 | Arch-TK | ceene: I don't know about that, people don't like options, customisation and configurability. |
| 19:01.42 | KotCzarny | people who use n900 do like options |
| 19:01.47 | KotCzarny | and customisation |
| 19:01.53 | Arch-TK | ceene: people like monolithic crap which lets you configure the colour and that's it. |
| 19:01.59 | Arch-TK | That's a minority. |
| 19:02.14 | KotCzarny | people who like monolithic crap buy mainstream phones |
| 19:02.21 | Arch-TK | yes |
| 19:02.23 | KotCzarny | people who use n900 buy it for specific reasons |
| 19:02.23 | ceene | i don't think that's completely true |
| 19:02.29 | ceene | look at the huge number of cyanogen installs |
| 19:02.31 | Arch-TK | that's why n900 wouldn't have been huge ever |
| 19:02.37 | Arch-TK | that's still a minority |
| 19:02.40 | ceene | that's people wanting to do something more than what stock android does |
| 19:03.04 | ceene | you have to admit that the n900 is lacking lots of things |
| 19:03.10 | ceene | people want phones that work |
| 19:03.27 | ceene | and as much as i love my n900 there are things which doesn't does as well as other phones |
| 19:03.29 | KotCzarny | well, my phone works |
| 19:03.33 | ceene | and that's now with cssu |
| 19:03.38 | ceene | imagine back then when it was released |
| 19:03.43 | ceene | that couldn't do portrait mode :) |
| 19:03.52 | KotCzarny | and it had non working player (not up to my expectations) so i wrote myself one |
| 19:04.02 | KotCzarny | so in the end it WORKS as i want |
| 19:04.07 | Arch-TK | I guess the main issue I have with n900 is that all of the browser options I've tried have been rather sub-standard. |
| 19:04.21 | KotCzarny | main problem with the browser is lack of memory |
| 19:04.26 | KotCzarny | no going around that |
| 19:04.28 | ceene | i've resorted to using midori under debian |
| 19:04.37 | KotCzarny | even on desktop 128MB for firefox is under reqs |
| 19:05.26 | KotCzarny | 512MB of RAM |
| 19:05.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:05.49 | Arch-TK | n900 users and cyanogen users are a minority (or just users of the lesser known android phones who are also not quite interested in what CM can do. |
| 19:05.53 | KotCzarny | now do you expect 128M of ram to render monstrosities with all features? |
| 19:07.31 | M4rtinK | from me experience one needs about 16 GB of RAM to really use Firefox without issues on desktop :) |
| 19:07.36 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 19:08.15 | KotCzarny | now, even simple webpagees can easily eat memory in a blink |
| 19:08.29 | KotCzarny | 10 full size images and you start swapping like crazy |
| 19:08.59 | Sicelo | Arch-TK: so what is your point? |
| 19:09.11 | KotCzarny | now, fremantle on n9 would be huge |
| 19:09.29 | Arch-TK | My point is that n900 wouldn't have been huge even with more attention. |
| 19:09.36 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 19:09.47 | Arch-TK | It's something I want and many people like me like, but something nobody else wants. |
| 19:09.50 | KotCzarny | in 2009 it had a chance |
| 19:10.03 | kerio | btw , safari sis like the best browser i've ever used |
| 19:10.39 | Arch-TK | It's just the sad truth, the reality. |
| 19:10.46 | kerio | *is |
| 19:10.56 | KotCzarny | now, if you dont need fancy web rendering, its very usable |
| 19:12.10 | Sicelo | ok Arch-TK. gotcha |
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| 19:13.19 | KotCzarny | we can easily use linux software, unless we run out of hardware specs |
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| 19:14.29 | KotCzarny | that's why i always wanted to slim it down as much as possible |
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| 19:39.25 | ceene | what i don't like of cellwriter is that it fills the enter screen |
| 19:39.32 | ceene | i expected it to fill just one arrow of cells |
| 19:39.42 | ceene | so i can see what was written previously |
| 19:39.54 | KotCzarny | you are a coder, you should manage |
| 19:40.03 | ceene | lol |
| 19:40.05 | ceene | yes |
| 19:40.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:40.15 | ceene | but i don't always have the time or the interest :P |
| 19:40.24 | KotCzarny | now you have interest :P |
| 19:40.36 | ceene | but the interest has to surpass the lazyness |
| 19:40.44 | KotCzarny | in this case it does |
| 19:40.55 | ceene | lol |
| 19:40.56 | ceene | i don't know |
| 19:41.03 | ceene | although i like very much that it's written on C |
| 19:41.12 | ceene | that scores points in favor of doing something with it |
| 19:41.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:41.35 | KotCzarny | i see fellow c lover? |
| 19:41.59 | KotCzarny | c++ is nice but tends to obfuscate too much in the process |
| 19:42.00 | ceene | yes, very much |
| 19:42.16 | ceene | i could survive yappari because, to be honest, it's very well written |
| 19:42.21 | ceene | and it's more qt than c++ |
| 19:42.29 | KotCzarny | qt is c++ |
| 19:42.35 | ceene | so it's quite constrained to c with classes and little more |
| 19:42.42 | ceene | in theory yes |
| 19:42.54 | ceene | in practice it could have been hell itself |
| 19:42.58 | ceene | but it's something manageable |
| 19:43.02 | KotCzarny | i manage c++ libs by hacking c interfaces into them |
| 19:43.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:43.10 | KotCzarny | make libyappari |
| 19:43.43 | ceene | that's something that i really won't do :P |
| 19:43.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:43.54 | ceene | i don't even know how to write UIs |
| 19:44.10 | ceene | if it weren't because the interface is already done |
| 19:44.23 | ceene | i wouldn't even know where to start coding one |
| 19:44.34 | KotCzarny | 1/ choose toolkit |
| 19:45.35 | KotCzarny | i wrote complete app in pygtk because i was lazy |
| 19:45.53 | KotCzarny | it started as some proof of concept |
| 19:46.09 | KotCzarny | then.. just happened |
| 19:46.40 | KotCzarny | but its inefficient a bit |
| 19:47.12 | KotCzarny | still, i can close it after setting playlist and core will continue to work, so its passable |
| 19:49.56 | ceene | there's a newer version of cellwriter |
| 19:49.59 | ceene | not for maemo specifically |
| 19:50.08 | ceene | well, there are several versions |
| 19:50.13 | ceene | latest says this: |
| 19:50.26 | ceene | * Possible fix for profile not being saved correctly. Return code was not being correctly checked. |
| 19:50.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:50.48 | ceene | i don't like the 'possible' |
| 19:50.55 | ceene | i have several like that on yappari |
| 19:51.02 | ceene | and they always mean "Don't" |
| 19:51.20 | KotCzarny | if it can barf out, it will? |
| 19:51.35 | ceene | i guess |
| 20:03.37 | bencoh | :] |
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| 20:16.37 | Sicelo | anyone looked at linkedin API? i'm 'forced' to have to use LinkedIn for something .. but it looks like the API is almost closed. Or am I missing something? Basically I would be happy if someone (myself) could write a working LinkedIn application for N900 |
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| 20:17.09 | KotCzarny | they have web interface? |
| 20:17.38 | Sicelo | website? of course, but microb can't handle it |
| 20:18.30 | KotCzarny | fennec? |
| 20:18.42 | ceene | midori_ |
| 20:18.48 | ceene | ___>??? |
| 20:18.53 | ceene | what happened to my keyboard |
| 20:19.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:19.14 | ceene | that-s for playing with cellwriter |
| 20:19.53 | ceene | ''??--___ |
| 20:19.54 | ceene | done |
| 20:19.55 | ceene | :P |
| 20:19.58 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:20.09 | ceene | i think midori from debian is the best browser on maemo right now |
| 20:20.13 | ceene | i won't get tired of advising it |
| 20:20.38 | Sicelo | i'll try it :) |
| 20:24.08 | ceene | by the way, does anybody know a way to sync google contacts, including photo, to anything else, such as owncloud, a carddav server or something more standard? |
| 20:24.24 | ceene | i've found things which doesn't support pictures, which is what I'm most interested in |
| 20:26.18 | bencoh | ceene: "midori from debian"? |
| 20:26.30 | bencoh | straight from squeeze? |
| 20:26.33 | ceene | bencoh: in practice that means installing easy debian |
| 20:26.39 | bencoh | ah |
| 20:26.41 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 20:26.59 | bencoh | I dont really like the easy-debian idea |
| 20:27.06 | ceene | why not? |
| 20:27.17 | bencoh | partly because of the lack of memory |
| 20:27.18 | KotCzarny | a bit of overhead |
| 20:27.42 | ceene | storage is cheap |
| 20:27.45 | ceene | ram is not, of course |
| 20:28.06 | ceene | but if you're only going to run a couple applications |
| 20:28.13 | ceene | you won't notice |
| 20:28.33 | ceene | midori, even having to use debian's libraries and not reusing those from maemo, runs much more faster than any other browser |
| 20:28.44 | ceene | so even if in theory using easy debian is an overhead, it simply works better |
| 20:29.12 | ceene | if i had another n900 i'd consider just running debian on it, with no maemo |
| 20:29.32 | Sicelo | :) |
| 20:29.43 | M4rtinK | ceene: saw a talk from a guy doing just that today on a conference |
| 20:29.48 | Sicelo | it works pretty well |
| 20:29.52 | M4rtinK | ceene: with a vanilla kernel :) |
| 20:29.58 | bencoh | M4rtinK: who? |
| 20:30.15 | M4rtinK | bencoh: Pavel Machek |
| 20:30.30 | Sicelo | N900 kernel guru |
| 20:30.38 | Sicelo | any link available? |
| 20:30.48 | M4rtinK | http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/ |
| 20:30.55 | Sicelo | thx |
| 20:31.18 | M4rtinK | talk synopsis: http://openalt.cz/2015/cs/visitor_events.html#event_278 (in Czech though) |
| 20:31.38 | M4rtinK | and IIRC there should be video some time later |
| 20:31.53 | bencoh | "New Mer is "broken beyond repair" for n900.. as it uses qt5" so true :/ |
| 20:31.57 | KotCzarny | hmm, pavel machek sounds familiar |
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| 20:34.10 | Sicelo | submitted many patches for n900 |
| 20:34.44 | Sicelo | i might be mistaken, but i vaguely recall he worked for nokia at some point. |
| 20:35.19 | KotCzarny | https://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/ |
| 20:35.31 | KotCzarny | links2 browser |
| 20:35.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:40.58 | KotCzarny | ftp://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/pub/local/pmk/qweb/ |
| 20:42.04 | KotCzarny | and other stuff |
| 20:42.11 | KotCzarny | qweb is web browser |
| 20:42.37 | M4rtinK | BTW, looks like I have found his slides from the talk |
| 20:42.39 | KotCzarny | aged now |
| 20:42.48 | M4rtinK | they are in Czech though |
| 20:45.36 | l_bratch | Good evening! Is there a way to make osso-xterm (or another Maemo terminal) give an alert when receiving a bell? (like how xterm can set urgent on bell to flash the window on a regular Linux system) |
| 20:46.37 | bencoh | now that's a good question |
| 20:46.58 | bencoh | I doubt it, but I guess you could patch it :) |
| 20:47.23 | Sicelo | what do you need it for? might be easier to patch your application |
| 20:47.45 | KotCzarny | nope, bell (ctrl-g) is standard |
| 20:47.52 | KotCzarny | and its up to terminal what to do with it |
| 20:48.25 | Sicelo | in short, it is not supported in xterminal |
| 20:48.41 | KotCzarny | is it? |
| 20:48.59 | KotCzarny | last time i checked xterm did the audio bell |
| 20:49.15 | l_bratch | The reason I need it is that I'd like to get irssi alerts to give me a beep and/or an LED flash! And the reason I'm using irssi rather than XChat is because I can use irssi in a screen session over Mosh so I don't need to worry about roaming between networks... |
| 20:49.16 | Sicelo | N900 xterminal? let's exchange N900s |
| 20:49.44 | KotCzarny | you mean osso-term? :P |
| 20:49.53 | bencoh | I stopped using osso-xterm a really long time ago, I just use xterm |
| 20:50.00 | Sicelo | aha .. l_bratch .. easiest way is use one of the perl scripts. that's why i asked what you want to do with it. adjust the script to play a desired sound |
| 20:50.53 | l_bratch | Sicelo: an irssi perl script? |
| 20:51.15 | Sicelo | yes, from irssi's official repo |
| 20:51.29 | l_bratch | I was thinking about that, but I can't think of a good way to get a remote script (I'm running irssi remotely!) to somehow traverse back through my screen session and trigger a load alert on my N900 |
| 20:51.41 | l_bratch | a local alert* |
| 20:51.44 | Sicelo | ah. i get you |
| 20:51.53 | KotCzarny | told you |
| 20:51.58 | KotCzarny | he needs working terminal |
| 20:51.59 | Sicelo | ? |
| 20:51.59 | l_bratch | (hence why I thought utilising terminal bells would be the best answer) |
| 20:52.01 | bencoh | just tried bells in osso-xterm and it just doesnt do anything ... no flash, no sound, no notif ... nothing. you'll have to patch it :) |
| 20:52.14 | l_bratch | OK, I'll look into patching it! |
| 20:52.23 | Sicelo | of course bells don't work. |
| 20:52.27 | bencoh | l_bratch: vbell is the indeed the right way :) |
| 20:52.43 | l_bratch | does hildon-desktop trigger an alert/beep/etc. on a normal X11 urgent hint? |
| 20:53.06 | bencoh | that's the other thing I was gonna check ;) |
| 20:53.10 | l_bratch | hehe :D |
| 20:53.19 | bencoh | let's try with xterm |
| 20:53.24 | bencoh | (the real one) |
| 20:53.25 | l_bratch | ha, I was just installing xterm! |
| 20:53.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:53.43 | KotCzarny | mrxvt? aterm? |
| 20:55.50 | bencoh | l_bratch: nope :( |
| 20:55.57 | l_bratch | damn |
| 20:56.06 | bencoh | let's patch hildon-desktop as well? :D |
| 20:56.23 | KotCzarny | it can just play sound |
| 20:56.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:56.28 | bencoh | KotCzarny: ? |
| 20:56.36 | KotCzarny | on bell |
| 20:56.41 | bencoh | who/what? |
| 20:56.46 | KotCzarny | terminal |
| 20:57.39 | bencoh | yeah, but H-D properly handling wm urgency hint would be nice |
| 20:57.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:59.31 | l_bratch | bah, confirmed locally too: no response to urgency hint |
| 20:59.39 | l_bratch | well, I will try to produce a patch for both things |
| 20:59.53 | Sicelo | ceene: which ED image you use? |
| 21:00.00 | l_bratch | better get the Maemo SDK working then |
| 21:00.17 | l_bratch | thanks for the help everyone :) |
| 21:01.29 | bencoh | that reminds me I should probably patch urxvt to not set the urgencyhint when it has focus |
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| 21:18.24 | ceene | the latest? |
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