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| 06:21.19 | Youbi_ | Hello, I canât access the maemo wiki (I want to install the CSSU on my N900), is the server down? |
| 06:21.45 | KotCzarny | looks like |
| 06:23.15 | Oksana | So here, http and https too |
| 06:24.12 | Youbi_ | Ok ^^ Well, Iâll wait |
| 06:24.52 | Youbi_ | Should I first flash my phone using an image from http://maemo-repos.com/apt-mirror/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ ? |
| 06:25.10 | Youbi_ | (I bought the phone from someone, so the system is not ~clean) |
| 06:25.18 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 06:25.18 | infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 06:25.28 | KotCzarny | use the second link and the script |
| 06:25.48 | KotCzarny | much easier, also now the wiki is down you wont have to google for command lines |
| 06:25.59 | KotCzarny | you dont have to dl firmware, script will do it |
| 06:27.11 | Youbi_ | Ok. I just have to run the script, and it wonât brick my phone? |
| 06:27.16 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 06:27.27 | KotCzarny | and n900 is unbrickable |
| 06:27.34 | Youbi_ | It will flash the eMMC and the FIASCO image? |
| 06:27.45 | KotCzarny | yes, it will ask you if you want to flash both |
| 06:27.54 | KotCzarny | or just rootfs |
| 06:28.52 | Oksana | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.16 | KotCzarny | oksana, yes, by charging battery in other device |
| 06:29.37 | Oksana | has seen a few used N900 on EBay lately... |
| 06:30.14 | Youbi_ | Ok. So itâs quite easy ^^ I will try it at lunch time. |
| 06:30.32 | Youbi_ | has another n900 with broken USB |
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| 06:55.44 | ebzzry | I don't understand this "Unable to receive or send new messages. Device storage full. Remove data to free memory." None of the filesystems are full. |
| 06:56.00 | KotCzarny | paste df |
| 06:56.06 | ebzzry | df -h |
| 06:56.09 | ebzzry | oops |
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| 07:00.50 | ebzzry | KotCzarny: http://pastebin.com/aK7Ei4Nh |
| 07:02.43 | KotCzarny | maybe sqlite db got corrupted |
| 07:05.38 | ebzzry | KotCzarny: hmm |
| 07:06.00 | ebzzry | I'll delete ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db and see if it works. |
| 07:06.11 | KotCzarny | rename instead of moving |
| 07:06.13 | Maxdamantus | You could just move it rather than delete it. |
| 07:07.01 | ebzzry | Ok. |
| 07:08.32 | Maxdamantus | and you'd do something like `killall rtcom-messaging-ui`, otherwise the running process will probably still have that file open (even if you "deleted" it) |
| 07:11.57 | ebzzry | Maxdamantus: ok |
| 07:30.35 | ebzzry | Moving and/or deleting it "fixed" it. |
| 07:30.48 | ebzzry | Fortunately, I don't have messages in that DB, so it's fine. |
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| 08:40.30 | xes | wiki.maemo.org is up again |
| 08:42.51 | bencoh | thx :) |
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| 10:52.42 | Youbi_ | ~flasher |
| 10:52.42 | infobot | hmm... flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 10:53.00 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 10:53.01 | infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 10:53.12 | Youbi_ | Oh, yep, not exactly the same ^^ |
| 10:53.21 | Youbi_ | Thanks againk KotCzarny |
| 10:53.24 | Youbi_ | again* |
| 10:57.48 | Youbi_ | ./flash-it-all.sh: maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 10:57.52 | Youbi_ | Humpf :/ |
| 10:58.01 | KotCzarny | 32bit app |
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| 10:58.10 | KotCzarny | install proper package first |
| 10:59.10 | KotCzarny | doc: add checker to the script and some hint for the user |
| 11:00.31 | Youbi_ | KotCzarny: I have the proper package (glibc), but the flasher binary is 32 bit and my system is 64 bit. May it be the source of the problem? |
| 11:00.44 | KotCzarny | thats what i've said |
| 11:00.54 | KotCzarny | you need 32bit support libs |
| 11:00.57 | Youbi_ | Oh, ok. |
| 11:00.59 | KotCzarny | apt-cache search 32bit etc |
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| 11:09.44 | Youbi_ | Ok, I just had to install glibc.i686 and libusb.i686, and it worked. |
| 11:09.52 | Youbi_ | My device is now booting. |
| 11:10.15 | Youbi_ | (I did all the process on CentOS) |
| 11:10.35 | Youbi_ | Should it reset the lock code? |
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| 11:11.13 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 11:11.39 | Youbi_ | Ok ^^ |
| 11:12.03 | Youbi_ | Nice, all the datas and apps from the previous owner have been wiped \o/ |
| 11:12.16 | Youbi_ | (which was my wish) |
| 11:12.34 | KotCzarny | if you ever wanted to flash again, you can skip emmc |
| 11:13.06 | Youbi_ | Ok :) |
| 11:13.32 | Youbi_ | And now I can upgrade my system with the CSSU? |
| 11:13.42 | KotCzarny | ~cssu |
| 11:13.42 | infobot | hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 11:13.50 | KotCzarny | yes, but read about it first |
| 11:14.06 | Youbi_ | Because it is not stable? |
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| 11:14.59 | KotCzarny | because it's important to know what you are doing |
| 11:15.03 | KotCzarny | it's quite stable |
| 11:15.14 | KotCzarny | if you are adventurous you can even go for cssu-thumb |
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| 11:20.10 | Youbi_ | I already installed it on my previous n900, and was quite happy with it. |
| 11:23.56 | KotCzarny | its based on cssu-testing |
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| 12:50.15 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 15:06.24 | fladnag900 | Kotczarnyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 15:06.33 | KotCzarny | hmm? |
| 15:06.33 | fladnag900 | :) |
| 15:06.41 | fladnag900 | jo iam back |
| 15:07.06 | fladnag900 | you toldme i cuold remindyou |
| 15:07.08 | fladnag900 | ;P |
| 15:08.12 | fladnag900 | this snd support thing about oscp |
| 15:09.34 | KotCzarny | ahm, k, but i havent been at home yet, should be in the next few days |
| 15:09.57 | fladnag900 | coool |
| 15:10.00 | fladnag900 | :) |
| 15:10.37 | fladnag900 | this wouldbe so cool |
| 15:11.09 | fladnag900 | ...idont think, there is another player under maemo who can do sdn eg atari-st |
| 15:11.21 | fladnag900 | or do you know ? |
| 15:11.42 | fladnag900 | DOES ANYONE CARE ABOUT ATARI MUSIC |
| 15:11.47 | fladnag900 | :?) |
| 15:12.00 | KotCzarny | well, its linux, and if there is any player with the source, you can compile it yourself |
| 15:12.35 | fladnag900 | also if aim not in coding |
| 15:12.38 | KotCzarny | still, you seem newbiesh, so just waim |
| 15:12.38 | fladnag900 | ? |
| 15:12.46 | KotCzarny | compiling is not coding |
| 15:22.01 | fladnag900 | gregoa ?? |
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| 15:29.53 | fladnag900 | DISCOPIG :D do YOU know of any mediaplayer for maemo that can atari .snd :) |
| 15:30.13 | fladnag900 | imean disco and chiptunes ... |
| 15:30.28 | fladnag900 | :D is practicly same |
| 15:30.30 | fladnag900 | xD |
| 15:31.45 | fladnag900 | disco-stu whats with U :D ... youknow there is the probably BEST st-musicmaker nemed STU ... |
| 15:32.03 | fladnag900 | ;) |
| 15:39.13 | fladnag900 | whats best offline navigation solution for n900 ? |
| 15:39.29 | fladnag900 | what about sygic ? |
| 15:40.05 | fladnag900 | you guys know if there is an extra channel for maemo/n900-navigation ?? |
| 15:40.22 | bencoh | I doubt it |
| 15:40.30 | bencoh | #maemo is fine for that |
| 15:40.38 | fladnag900 | :) |
| 15:40.59 | fladnag900 | sooo |
| 15:41.17 | wnd | IMO Sygic's application's UI is actually quite nice, although not without its problems |
| 15:41.34 | bencoh | there is marble, mappero |
| 15:41.45 | bencoh | modrana too iirc |
| 15:41.48 | wnd | the data is obviously old |
| 15:42.10 | fladnag900 | wich data |
| 15:42.31 | fladnag900 | but VOICE navigation ... |
| 15:42.43 | fladnag900 | and OFFLINE ... |
| 15:43.04 | wnd | while Sygic has a Windows-tool (works with Wine) to download fresh map data, that new data doesn't work with N900's version. The latest map data for N900 I have is from 2009 or 2008. |
| 15:44.36 | fladnag900 | ...offline and voice only with sygic am iright ? |
| 15:45.10 | wnd | I really did like the fact that the application would read out loud road/route numbers, e.g. in 500 metres, take exit and turn left to E 75 or something like that |
| 15:46.59 | fladnag900 | but map-data from that time is for ALL countrys still downloadable ? you know that ? |
| 15:47.31 | wnd | I strongly doubt the data is still available |
| 15:47.40 | wnd | except for questionable sources |
| 15:48.04 | fladnag900 | thatsashame |
| 15:48.47 | fladnag900 | :) but with premiumizeme all torrents are usable again :D |
| 15:48.58 | fladnag900 | :P |
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| 16:19.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | (([2015-10-12 Mon 12:59:10] <KotCzarny> doc: add checker to the script and some hint for the user)) any suggestions? |
| 16:19.53 | KotCzarny | find out commands to install lib32 compatibility on debian/ubuntu/fedora/suse |
| 16:20.14 | KotCzarny | as for checking ldd flasher-3.5 2>&1 |grep "not found" |
| 16:20.37 | KotCzarny | similar hints for libusb-0.1 |
| 16:20.40 | KotCzarny | OR |
| 16:21.05 | KotCzarny | just grab libs and run flasher with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./flasher-3.5 |
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| 16:21.33 | KotCzarny | s/grab libs/include libs in archive/ |
| 16:21.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr aha, how would I do that on unknown target platform? |
| 16:22.17 | KotCzarny | on unknown platform just print generic hint that 32bit libs and libusb-0.1 is needed |
| 16:22.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly can do that |
| 16:22.38 | KotCzarny | but most users who cant find it out by themselves just use some ubuntu |
| 16:23.29 | KotCzarny | you dont even need to detect os, just one big hint with examples |
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| 16:26.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | a `ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo error` will need to do |
| 16:27.34 | KotCzarny | you can define help function to keep the script tidy |
| 16:29.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw thanks for the sugestion on ldd |
| 16:30.10 | KotCzarny | you can detect missing 32bit libs when ld-library is missing |
| 16:30.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | however I'd like to test that, but I have no system that lacks 32bit support |
| 16:30.24 | KotCzarny | and libusb as another case |
| 16:30.47 | KotCzarny | just chroot it |
| 16:30.59 | KotCzarny | you will see when ld-lib is missing |
| 16:31.27 | KotCzarny | or ask someone, most people use 64bit os nowadays |
| 16:31.54 | KotCzarny | then you can just substitute ldd for cat for testing purposes |
| 16:33.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm also using a 64 bit system, but it has proper 32 bit support |
| 16:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I can't test for exact output of ldd in case of error |
| 16:33.30 | KotCzarny | uninstall package for a moment? |
| 16:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 16:34.09 | KotCzarny | then as i said, chroot |
| 16:34.17 | KotCzarny | prepare some minimal one |
| 16:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I leave that to somebody else, to provide pastebin of `ldd flasher-3.5 2` |
| 16:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | err `ldd flasher-3.5` |
| 16:35.11 | KotCzarny | but for a quickie just hexedit flasher binary and change the ld-lib string to something else |
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| 16:35.17 | KotCzarny | ie. .2 into .3 |
| 16:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually `LANG=C ldd flasher-3.5` |
| 16:35.57 | KotCzarny | that too |
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| 16:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check and pastebin output of ` ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo "(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager" ` |
| 16:45.41 | KotCzarny | mind you, it will also catch missing libusb |
| 16:45.53 | KotCzarny | so you have 2 cases |
| 16:45.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | should be fine |
| 16:46.12 | bencoh | missing libusb means missing 32b libusb anyway :) |
| 16:46.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 16:46.44 | KotCzarny | even with recent os but installed in 32bit? |
| 16:46.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 16:46.59 | bencoh | unrelated, but I wonder why KDE messed so much with marble version numbers |
| 16:47.26 | KotCzarny | because i havent installed anything since slackware-8.0 |
| 16:47.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/12855364 |
| 16:47.35 | KotCzarny | (just updated packages from time to time) |
| 16:48.05 | bencoh | (they renumbered at some point after marble-1.1 and decided to switch to KDE desktop version ... or something that looks like it) |
| 16:49.09 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 16:49.13 | infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 16:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/7099935 |
| 16:50.28 | KotCzarny | your line resulted in nothing |
| 16:50.56 | KotCzarny | unless you wanted to execute things in `` instead of the whole thing |
| 16:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and ooops I searched for wrong libusb, this http://paste.opensuse.org/34908806 is right search |
| 16:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | my line results in nothing when no error occurs |
| 16:53.18 | KotCzarny | i wonder if grep eats the error code |
| 16:53.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder what's your result of plain ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 |
| 16:53.55 | KotCzarny | its a string |
| 16:54.52 | KotCzarny | which you can put in: RES=`ldd .... 2>&1|grep not found` ; if [ "$RES" != "" ]; then echo error; else echo libs ok; fi |
| 16:55.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for my fuzzy question. What's the extact text on STDOUT and STDERR on your system when you do a `ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5` |
| 16:56.28 | KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rYACPCsj |
| 16:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 16:57.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, no error, "result = none" expected |
| 16:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already did this test on my own system |
| 16:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I need somebody to test the error case |
| 16:58.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and provide exact text of error messages, preferably with LANG=C |
| 17:01.40 | KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=RsemFFzM |
| 17:01.58 | KotCzarny | this is the result when libusb-0.1 is missing (32bit os) |
| 17:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! |
| 17:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you please test ` LANG=C ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo "(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager" ` |
| 17:04.46 | KotCzarny | hmm, i remember there was a tool to relink binaries to glue dynamic libs into binary |
| 17:05.24 | KotCzarny | so one could add libusb-0.1.so.4 into flasher and the only test case will be 64bit os |
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| 17:06.33 | KotCzarny | it fails |
| 17:06.49 | KotCzarny | you should use the line i proposed (with RES= and if/fi |
| 17:07.05 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.05 | KotCzarny | ./check: line 5: libusb-0.1.so.4: command not found |
| 17:07.11 | KotCzarny | this is how it fails |
| 17:07.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | why I "should use the line i proposed (with RES= and if/fi" ? |
| 17:08.11 | KotCzarny | becuase if your first part fails, shell tries to execute grep output |
| 17:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | HUH? |
| 17:08.28 | KotCzarny | *because |
| 17:08.40 | KotCzarny | see above |
| 17:08.50 | KotCzarny | i put your line into script and executed |
| 17:08.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I don't see anything above |
| 17:08.55 | KotCzarny | it was exact output |
| 17:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | LANG=C ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo "(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager" |
| 17:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | works just fine here |
| 17:09.41 | KotCzarny | please dont include `` then, i thought you wanted it too |
| 17:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for quoting the actual command |
| 17:10.06 | KotCzarny | works without `` |
| 17:10.18 | KotCzarny | ie. prints the echo contents |
| 17:10.28 | KotCzarny | and nothing when no error |
| 17:10.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess test LANG=C ldd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 2>&1| grep "not found" && echo "(32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager" wont work |
| 17:10.48 | KotCzarny | also, add at the end: && exit |
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| 17:11.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't add that since otherwise your shell would close |
| 17:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm writing shell scripts since 25 years |
| 17:11.46 | KotCzarny | not if that line was in the script |
| 17:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | it IS NOT |
| 17:12.17 | KotCzarny | and pasting from multiline window usually breaks on terminal, thats why i always put it into script, then run the script |
| 17:12.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah I should have guessed that |
| 17:13.00 | KotCzarny | anyway, checker works, but mind you, i was testing libusb, and it printed error about 32bit libs |
| 17:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 17:13.28 | KotCzarny | i moved libusb out of the way for the test |
| 17:13.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and? |
| 17:14.01 | KotCzarny | so if someone has 32bit os but missing libusb-0.1 it will be misleading |
| 17:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | result was [2015-10-12 Mon 19:10:06] <KotCzarny> works without `` |
| 17:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 17:14.22 | KotCzarny | (32bit version) missing on your system. Please install it, using your system's software pkg manager |
| 17:14.26 | KotCzarny | its the message |
| 17:14.35 | KotCzarny | ahm, sorry |
| 17:14.41 | KotCzarny | you're right |
| 17:14.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, there must be a line before that |
| 17:14.46 | KotCzarny | missed line before |
| 17:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, I finally got it right? :-D |
| 17:15.49 | KotCzarny | at least for 32bit os case |
| 17:15.56 | KotCzarny | now you have to test 64 one |
| 17:16.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | all the same, I hope |
| 17:16.16 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 17:16.47 | KotCzarny | scratch that. "i dont know" |
| 17:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway that's what I asked for: could somebody please test this on a 64bit system with missing 32bit support |
| 17:17.24 | KotCzarny | but for a quickie just move 32bit ld-linux.so.2 into some temporary dir and test |
| 17:17.41 | KotCzarny | it should be enough, as its the first mandatory thing that is checked |
| 17:17.58 | KotCzarny | and path is fixed: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 17:18.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't dare to mess with ld-linux on a workstation |
| 17:18.37 | KotCzarny | (unless they did 64bit ld-linux with compatibility layer) |
| 17:19.00 | KotCzarny | you dont have any rescue ramdisk for such situations? |
| 17:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | that could easily turn out to be a very sophisitcated prank |
| 17:19.27 | KotCzarny | i made me one, with fsck and friends, fits into ~10-20 megs and saves lots of time |
| 17:20.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | listen buddy, this is a workstation that best doesn't get booted a whole year long |
| 17:20.20 | KotCzarny | you only have 1 machine? |
| 17:20.41 | KotCzarny | no 'closet oldies' ? |
| 17:20.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I also have a few boxen at Hetzner which I could fsckup |
| 17:21.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm no sw devel |
| 17:21.35 | KotCzarny | anyway, alternative would be booting livecd 64bit os and removing 32libs there |
| 17:21.42 | KotCzarny | even in virtualbox or something |
| 17:21.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead :-D |
| 17:22.10 | KotCzarny | im away from my hackstation |
| 17:22.23 | KotCzarny | and this machine runs windows xp |
| 17:22.38 | KotCzarny | but i can do that tomorrow |
| 17:22.51 | KotCzarny | just remind me if no one volunteers before |
| 17:27.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm also not convinced by the "just move 32bit ld-linux.so.2 into some temporary dir" approach. 64bit could try to load the 64bit lib and detect a mismatch, rather than a simple 'not found' |
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| 17:28.53 | KotCzarny | afair, this linker lib is unique in the way its path is fixed |
| 17:29.11 | KotCzarny | and manages run time linking/finding for other things |
| 17:29.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and all that could depend on situation when last time running ldconfig |
| 17:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | (manages run time linking/finding for other things) yes, and removing it would easily render your whole system fsckdup since not a single process would start anymore |
| 17:30.46 | KotCzarny | can you pastebin ldd /bin/bash ? |
| 17:31.03 | KotCzarny | (dont have 64bit shell handy to check) |
| 17:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing |
| 17:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/44695514 |
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| 17:32.06 | KotCzarny | yeah, as i thought, /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007fda00b2b000) |
| 17:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 17:32.32 | KotCzarny | so, on 64bit os, even without /lib/ld-linux.so.2 only 32bit apps will fail |
| 17:32.42 | KotCzarny | and everything else will work as before |
| 17:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly yes |
| 17:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I would be extra cautious to mess with it though |
| 17:33.08 | KotCzarny | though you are right, dont know how ldd resolves things, (running app or some smart algo) |
| 17:33.30 | KotCzarny | nah, nless you have something important 32bit running |
| 17:33.43 | KotCzarny | all tools are compiled against 64bit ld-linux |
| 17:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | likely |
| 17:34.06 | KotCzarny | and remember, when you have installed system, it had only 64bit libs |
| 17:34.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB the lib pathes are not stable between distros |
| 17:34.20 | KotCzarny | for 32bit it is stable |
| 17:34.29 | KotCzarny | as its FIXED into binary, not the os |
| 17:34.52 | KotCzarny | for 64bit it uses linux-vdso kernel interface i think |
| 17:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | while one distro may have /lib64/ and /lib/, other 64bit ditro may have /lib/ and /lib32/ |
| 17:35.11 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 17:35.19 | KotCzarny | see the fixed path for 32bit |
| 17:35.34 | KotCzarny | it could be a symlink, but the path must be exact |
| 17:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry you lost me |
| 17:36.54 | KotCzarny | at least for ld-linux, other 32bit libs can be at arbitrary path, but linker must be known before |
| 17:37.21 | KotCzarny | it's the ld-linux lib that uses ld.so.conf |
| 17:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see how any of that is related to "ubuntu-64 has /lib/ for 64bit and /lib32/ for 32bit, while suse-64 has /lib64/ for 64bit and /lib/ for 32bit" |
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| 17:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB I don't know if the distros are correct, it's a made up example |
| 17:42.10 | KotCzarny | no |
| 17:42.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 17:42.21 | KotCzarny | every system has /lib/ for 32bit ld-linux |
| 17:42.35 | KotCzarny | but its the only thing that is fixed |
| 17:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly |
| 17:42.51 | KotCzarny | other libs can be at any location, just defined in ld-linux config |
| 17:43.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 17:43.29 | KotCzarny | thats why moving ld-linux stops further lib linking |
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| 18:32.04 | Maxdamantus | nix doesn't. |
| 18:32.23 | KotCzarny | doesnt what? |
| 18:32.31 | Maxdamantus | Have /lib for 32-bit ld-linux. |
| 18:32.45 | KotCzarny | really? |
| 18:32.51 | Maxdamantus | Yes. |
| 18:33.00 | KotCzarny | pics or it didnt happen |
| 18:33.06 | Maxdamantus | It replaces the location of the loader using `patchelf` |
| 18:33.24 | KotCzarny | some preload lib? |
| 18:33.45 | Maxdamantus | No. |
| 18:33.59 | KotCzarny | patches every binary? |
| 18:34.03 | Maxdamantus | Yes. |
| 18:34.24 | KotCzarny | then flasher-3.5 doesnt run by default anyway |
| 18:34.36 | KotCzarny | and user must be knowledgeable too |
| 18:34.41 | KotCzarny | so: no problem |
| 18:35.28 | Maxdamantus | You shouldn't need to mess with your /lib directory to make it work. |
| 18:35.50 | Maxdamantus | Just run it from a linker, or use `patchelf` to change the path for it. |
| 18:36.18 | Maxdamantus | (run it from a linker as in: ./ld-linux.so.2 ./flasher) |
| 18:39.25 | KotCzarny | still, anyone knowledgeable enough to install nix, will know how to solve dependencies |
| 18:40.11 | KotCzarny | also, nice hint about running ./ld-linux.so.2 ./flasher |
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| 19:29.06 | KotCzarny | hmm, n9, seller says 'phone shows charging, but doesnt boot', anything fixable or not worth the risk? |
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| 19:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if we also need to worry about flasher-3.5 running on minix, and on solaris |
| 19:47.34 | KotCzarny | you forgot about freebsd |
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| 19:51.58 | bencoh | :] |
| 19:52.11 | bencoh | I'd rather port 0xffff to minix |
| 19:52.34 | KotCzarny | does it support usb? |
| 19:53.09 | bencoh | minix? there is some driver, not included in the base system |
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| 19:54.50 | KotCzarny | hmm. how about porting 0xffff to... |
| 19:54.53 | KotCzarny | symbian? |
| 19:56.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | HP-41CV |
| 19:56.39 | bencoh | looks like the usb driver has been included in bassys now |
| 19:56.59 | bencoh | I dont see anything mentioning some ouf-of-tree compilation |
| 19:58.23 | KotCzarny | or.. creating usb device that will have 1-2 buttons and which will flash n900 on connect and button press |
| 19:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I really don't care about all those extreme bizarre fringe cases for ~flashing |
| 19:58.38 | M4rtinK | some small arduino clone should do |
| 19:59.15 | KotCzarny | could also have pass-through power port |
| 20:01.07 | M4rtinK | http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/ <- that also has a pass through power port :) |
| 20:01.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:02.17 | KotCzarny | burning the firmware |
| 20:02.40 | M4rtinK | pretty much ;-) |
| 20:02.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | dealing with missing 32bit support on 64bit linux, ok. Anything more bizarre than that is cleary for the geeks |
| 20:04.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | designs a geekbrain killer |
| 20:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | mains plug with in-ear headphones |
| 20:06.58 | bencoh | what ? |
| 20:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | way less dangerous than any of the items on http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/ |
| 20:08.52 | KotCzarny | your geekbrain killer wouldnt work |
| 20:09.13 | KotCzarny | wire would fry before any power goes to the body |
| 20:09.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since nobody would be silly enough. Unlike feeding mains to e.g. ethernet |
| 20:09.41 | M4rtinK | PoE :D |
| 20:09.52 | KotCzarny | also, 'powered hub' he he |
| 20:10.24 | M4rtinK | also https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3251.txt |
| 20:10.45 | bencoh | <3 |
| 20:19.09 | kerio | oh man |
| 20:19.17 | kerio | have you guys seen that usb killer thing |
| 20:19.36 | kerio | as big as a usb pen drive, it's got some 220V capacitors inside |
| 20:19.52 | kerio | it charges with usb power, and discharges on D+/- |
| 20:20.31 | kerio | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TidRpVWXBE |
| 20:27.56 | Wizzup | kerio: yep, seen it |
| 20:28.22 | bencoh | that's mean |
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| 20:56.35 | fladnag900 | kotczarny ihave tested an sndh_lf wich should be supported like you said and it does not ! :( |
| 20:57.19 | fladnag900 | ...on n900 |
| 20:57.27 | fladnag900 | and |
| 20:57.31 | fladnag900 | ifound that |
| 20:57.53 | fladnag900 | sndh_lf & sf simply stands for long and short filename :P |
| 21:04.00 | fladnag900 | the short ones (sndh_sf) do not show at all |
| 21:04.19 | fladnag900 | the long it does not play |
| 21:04.26 | fladnag900 | :( |
| 21:04.31 | fladnag900 | shit |
| 21:04.37 | fladnag900 | :o( |
| 21:04.41 | fladnag900 | :) |
| 21:04.56 | fladnag900 | hope you get time soon |
| 21:05.53 | fladnag900 | and ihave audio playing ...mp3 or audio from videofiles |
| 21:10.03 | fladnag900 | oscp just goes to thenext file in folder that canbe played |
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