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00:56.12Oksana... What is the status of fptf? /Aka is there something critical to do before taking on MicroB and dialer-ui? /
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02:20.34VajbSicelo: just out of curiosity, what is wrong with bnf?
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05:24.26OksanaIn what situation, Nokia N900 would, instead of booting up, just show bright white LED and then dim it out? Battery is fully charged
05:25.59freemangordonOksana: corrupted 1st stage BL?
05:31.28OksanaHow to flash it, if possible?
05:31.47OksanaOkay, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing
05:32.25OksanaWhat will go wrong if HW revision is incorrect?
05:32.54freemangordonwron 1st stage BL will be flashed :)
05:32.57freemangordon*wrong
05:33.14OksanaAnd so it will same white LED dimming out? | Do I need root access on Linux computer to run flasher-3.5 ?
05:34.46freemangordonwell, even with wrong 1st stage BL, it should still boot. But I am not sure how it will behave - for example 2101 and 2204 have different PoP RAM chips (2x128 vs 1x256)
05:35.08freemangordonand yes, you need root iirc
05:35.23freemangordonso, you'd better flash the correct 1st stage
05:35.41OksanaHow do I find HW revision? Is it printed on the device itself? | Okay, so workplace-Linux computers are out: I do not have root access to them.
05:36.49freemangordonOksana: No idea, try to remember it
05:36.53freemangordon*recall
05:37.37freemangordonBTW, it could be coorupted 2nd stage (aka NOLO), so first check if the device can be flashed in a normal way
05:38.04freemangordonand only then try cold-flash
05:38.39OksanaOkay, will check. flasher-3.5 -i . Any tricks with using flasher-3.5 on Windows XP (32bit) ?
05:39.06freemangordonnothing special iirc
05:40.53Oksanahopes that there is still flasher-3.5 and libusb on the computer, because I did not use flasher-3.5 for a very long time
05:45.28KotCzarnyyou can download it
06:08.16OksanaWhat's the mirror of Nokia repositories? Cannot seem to find it
06:08.22KotCzarny~maemo-repos
06:08.22infobotrumour has it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
06:09.47Oksanadoes not see flasher-3.5
06:10.00KotCzarny~flashing
06:10.00infobotrumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
06:12.40KotCzarnyflasher is in the tgz
06:12.48KotCzarnyunless you need windows one
06:14.17OksanaHooray! And yes, at the moment I am trying to use the fact that I have admin access on my workplace Windows 7 Enterprise computer
06:15.28KotCzarnyhttp://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/
06:15.33KotCzarnyhere you can find mirror
06:15.42KotCzarnybut check md5sum just in case
06:15.53KotCzarnyand get 3.5.x not 3.12 by mistake
06:15.59DocScrutinizer05recovering from an extraordinary failure on device side by using a non-standard (i.e. 'windoze') PC sounds like begging for trouble that could and should be avoided
06:17.21OksanaWell, it can hardly get worse. And I will follow the instructions at http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 and http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing
06:17.55KotCzarnyhmm, i wonder if nokia/m$ would mind if maemo.org hosted firmwares and tools
06:19.01OksanaThey probably would. But you can ask. Just keep local mirror, in case they take down all Internet mirrors
06:19.24KotCzarnymirroring that fladnag side, just in case
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06:24.56DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/dirsnapshot.png
06:25.21KotCzarnyno windows tools
06:25.40DocScrutinizer05Oksana: I *strongly* recommend to NOT coldflash the device unless you know exactly it's needed
06:27.48DocScrutinizer05asking Nokia about hosting those tools is wasted energy and possibly detrimental to maemo - it has been done a dozen times before and Nokia told we should stop asking since there's no way it ever will happen
06:28.02KotCzarnypity
06:28.12KotCzarnydo they have a reason for denying it?
06:28.47DocScrutinizer05maemo is below M$ radar, and we want to keep it like that
06:32.19DocScrutinizer05Oksana: connect device to linux machine, check syslog, see if NOLO enumerates USB
06:33.03DocScrutinizer05or use flasher -i and see if NOLO answers, in that case you a) have HW version, and b) don't need it since NOLO is working
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06:34.42OksanaWhat's interesting, flasher-3.5 says suitable device not found, waiting, and inf-wizard says that it is in storage mode, not update mode
06:35.32KotCzarnyare you sure battery i ok?
06:35.37KotCzarny*is
06:35.54OksanaNow update mode, I needed to press U
06:36.25Oksanabattery is fully charged, yes
06:36.31DocScrutinizer05remove battery, plug in USB, hold U(!), insert battery. See if NOKIA screen with USB icon comes up
06:37.29DocScrutinizer05storage mode is only possible when linux booted, so what's your problem?
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06:39.14DocScrutinizer05probably your device is busy for hours with fsck, and you want to ruin it by coldflashing a wrong hw version NOLO
06:39.23OksanaProblem is, nothing on display. I could try a different display, yes
06:39.48OksanaBut if it was just display, it should have given sounds. But it could be in silent mode
06:39.56DocScrutinizer05you could listen
06:40.00DocScrutinizer05remove battery, plug in USB, hold U(!), insert battery. See if NOKIA screen with USB icon comes up
06:40.08OksanaNo, it does not.
06:40.28OksanaDisplay is ever-ever black
06:40.38KotCzarnycould be
06:40.44SiceloVajb: 1) too little information, 2) completely useless if battery data is somehow missing. bnf isn't serving my needs at all. i don't keep software on my N900 if i don't use it :)
06:40.45DocScrutinizer05then when it even shows up in device manager of PC, it's highly likely the display is defect
06:41.24DocScrutinizer05however you can't debug such stuff with a windoze PC, at least I don't know how
06:41.41KotCzarnypity n900 requires working lcd module, otherwise it would be a nice to just attach tv
06:41.47KotCzarnyor some tv grabber card
06:42.20KotCzarnyat least sscreen swap is easy and quick
06:44.35Oksanais waiting for screwdrivers
06:44.50KotCzarnyyou just need size 00 or 000 philips screwdriver
06:45.07KotCzarnytorx is only needed if you want to get to mobo
06:46.17OksanaYes, I remember but I don't have a single screwdriver at hand, at the moment
06:46.25KotCzarnyhum
06:46.36KotCzarnyask someone?
06:46.47KotCzarnysome people do carry such things
06:46.49KotCzarny;)
06:47.18DocScrutinizer05btw white indicator light is no hw feature, NOLO needs to set it
06:47.54DocScrutinizer05IOW white indicator means at least NOLO starts and runs until talking to LP5523 indiactor LED controller chip
06:48.39OksanaOkay. And if I just plug in USB, then it has orange blinking charging light. So, it could be case of "display not working". Need to check that.
06:48.50DocScrutinizer05actually the white indicator gets ramped up and that's also NOLO doing this
06:49.15OksanaThough it would be convenient to get flasher-3.5 working
06:49.16DocScrutinizer05connect TV
06:49.42DocScrutinizer05you listen to whatr I'm pasing in here?
06:50.23OksanaYes, that most likely NOLO is fine, and if I find TV cable for N900, I could try to check with this
06:50.37KotCzarnymost likely your os booted
06:51.11DocScrutinizer05oh nm, no windows software either
06:51.35OksanaBooted, right. And I don't know how to shut it down. Because LED blinking is not long enough to tell me when it completely shuts down.
06:51.50DocScrutinizer05prolly there's no such thing like a windows flasher-3.5, there is Nokia-suite
06:51.57KotCzarnyoksana, press power button for a few sec?
06:52.06OksanaActually, it could be stuck at welcome screen...
06:52.55KotCzarnyoksana, try booting rescueos and disabling welcome screen
06:53.33OksanaHooray, flasher-3.5 works. HW revision 2204
06:53.45DocScrutinizer05windows?
06:53.54OksanaYes, Win7Ent 64bit
06:53.55KotCzarnythough if you didnt set your device to automatically connect to wifi you will still not get there
06:54.05DocScrutinizer05what's the name of that file?
06:54.15KotCzarnymaemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe
06:54.21KotCzarnyhttp://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/
06:54.39OksanaYes :-) And nice instructions: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20
06:55.15DocScrutinizer05thanks! /home/jr/maemo-mirror/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/files/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe
06:55.18OksanaBy the way, libusb-win32-bin-1.2.6.0.zip , aka newer than at time of the post
06:55.33KotCzarnyalso, that fladnag site has maemo sdk virtual image
06:55.41KotCzarnywork mirroring somewhere
06:55.54KotCzarny*worth
06:56.07KotCzarnyMaemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z
06:56.10KotCzarny1457450621 bytes
06:56.20DocScrutinizer05Oksana: so maybe you are listening what I post here, others don't
06:56.55DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/dirsnapshot.png
06:58.49OksanaNice... You have MADDE installer? Somebody was looking for MADDE...
07:00.06DocScrutinizer05that's why I placed it there
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07:01.12OksanaI think that he was directed to http://web.archive.org/web/20110704181414/http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/i386/ for the madde .deb , it was almost a month ago
07:01.47OksanaAt #maemo-ssu
07:01.48DocScrutinizer05I think web.archive.org doesn't backup any .deb and similar files
07:02.09DocScrutinizer05but I know somebody directed him to right location ;-)
07:02.37OksanaGood :-)
07:03.12DocScrutinizer05again, when *anybody* dares to post a full URL to that stuff, it will vanish same minute
07:03.27Oksanadid not expect Web Archive to be that stubborn. To be fair, the files are too heavy for it
07:04.35OksanaAnd, web.archive.org does backup .exe ... sometimes ;-) /not posting the full URL /
07:08.38DocScrutinizer05err, I didn't worry about web.archive URLs
07:08.54DocScrutinizer05rather about URLs that are invisible
07:09.28DocScrutinizer05or "forbidden", like http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/
07:09.54DocScrutinizer05rather http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/*
07:11.46DocScrutinizer05if you need any other file from "good old times", just holler. I guess I got everything
07:15.15DocScrutinizer05well, maybe except maemo repos
07:16.08DocScrutinizer05THOSE should get mirrored!
07:16.55DocScrutinizer05actually eventually Nokia encouraged creating mirrors of those repos ;-)
07:17.41DocScrutinizer05I guess they were not aware of the token "protection" when they did
07:18.25DocScrutinizer05or maybe they were :-D
07:18.50DocScrutinizer05most of Nokia maemo devels were wuite nice guys
07:18.57DocScrutinizer05quite*
07:21.55Oksanawrestles with disk space. Or actually, I could just feed flasher-3.5 long path, instead of trying to move the *.img file
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07:26.00DocScrutinizer05dammit, already having https://ahrefs.com/ messing with my box
07:29.11DocScrutinizer05sooo... let's see how much that stops
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07:29.40Oksanaflasher-3.5 says that everything went well with launching RescueOS. Only, even when I 'mse', I do not see a sign of Windows saying "here is something attached to USB"
07:29.48DocScrutinizer05sorry for your bookmarks
07:30.17OksanaRelocating?
07:30.23DocScrutinizer05:nod:
07:31.00DocScrutinizer05don't worry, you can figure it out
07:31.40DocScrutinizer05anybody with a brain could, just spiders and similar crap can't
07:32.47DocScrutinizer05idly wonders if REFERER might give away 'secret' URLs to arbitrary websites
07:33.42DocScrutinizer05and prolly there are sites that actually harvest such referers
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08:07.10antranigvhow to use Vk.com chat on maemo?
08:07.51MaxdamantusNow bq says my Polarcell has 1601 mAh
08:08.03KotCzarnymaxd: cool
08:08.11KotCzarnybe happy
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08:26.17buZzOksana: archive.org is 45PB
08:26.20buZzand still growing
08:26.26buZzthey dont worry a lot about diskspace
08:26.44KotCzarnybuzz: nice, do they have a backup?
08:26.45KotCzarny;)
08:26.49buZzall mirrored on 4 DCs
08:26.55KotCzarnynice2
08:26.56buZzso yeah
08:27.15Maxdamantusonly has 11 TB of space on his filesystem :(
08:27.35buZzi just have 3TB at home
08:27.41buZz16TB at hackerspace
08:27.52buZzand so many smaller systems here and there
08:29.13KotCzarnyi have 3TB just for steam drive
08:29.23KotCzarnyand another 3TB for linux stuffs
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08:45.43DocScrutinizer05((<buZz> they dont worry a lot about diskspace)) I think they are asking for donations to extend their storage space, so maybe they actually do worry a little bit
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09:47.28DocScrutinizer05hmmpf. otterbox makes operating of sliding lockswitch pretty hard
09:53.38keriomaybe it's because you have fat fingers
09:54.45DocScrutinizer05hardly, and even long fingernails
09:55.06kerioi stopped using mine because i don't really see the point
09:55.11DocScrutinizer05time to cut them. Maybe because the button is already worn on this device
09:55.36kerioalso one of the tabs that hold the screen part in place is brok :(
09:56.05DocScrutinizer05:nod:  I nly have this donated one here, just examined it a bit
09:56.31MaxdamantusWhat's the metal frame for if not absorbing energy into dents?
09:57.38KotCzarnysometimes for looks
09:57.57KotCzarnybut in colder climates it not a good idea anyway
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11:26.30artetahi, a friend gives me a n900, where to begin with please? (for example: updating kernel/softwares, check for up-to-date /etc/sources.list, etc)
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12:45.31KotCzarnyarteta: wiki.maemo.org and talk.maemo.org
12:45.37KotCzarnytwo main sites
12:45.40KotCzarny~flashing
12:45.41infobotmaemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
12:46.07KotCzarny~maemo-repos
12:46.08infobotmethinks maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
12:46.38KotCzarnyif you have any questions, dont be afraid to ask
12:46.56artetaok, thx KotCzarny :)
12:47.13bencohand once it's all fresh and flashed, dont forget CSSU
12:47.22KotCzarny~cssu
12:47.22infobot[cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
12:47.27KotCzarny1st!
12:47.35artetaty
12:54.00buZz~list
12:54.01infobotone warez list being sent
12:54.04buZznono
12:54.10KotCzarnytry help
12:54.11buZzgimme list of all factoids :P
12:54.13buZz~help
12:54.24buZzsweet, ty
12:54.33KotCzarnyalso, i think it has more than 100k factoids
12:54.35KotCzarnyso..
12:55.28buZzyeah
12:55.38buZzneeds to get exported ;)
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14:51.18buZzghe
14:51.30buZzgonna see how well kernel 4.2.0 will compile for the n800
14:51.40buZzso i can say i 420'd the n800
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16:06.57buZzcurious if/when i'll get a desire for serial console ^_^
16:09.31KotCzarnydepends what you are doing/going to do
16:10.13buZztrying to run mainline 4.2.0 on it
16:10.22buZzon a n800*
16:10.27KotCzarnyremember n8x0 can easily do usb hostmode, so you can just attach usb-serial
16:10.34buZzah right right
16:11.01buZzmainline kernel, and debian rootfs :P
16:11.58KotCzarnyalso, you can install boot menu, log to sd card and reboot back to diablo
16:12.19KotCzarnyor boot to sd card and leave maemo on nand
16:12.48buZzi think i have boot menu already
16:13.02buZzat least, i have community os2008 on sd card
16:13.25buZzand get to select that during boot :P
16:13.53KotCzarnyalso, speaking of hostmode, usb-keyboard
16:14.42buZz:) guess i should dig up a usb hub
16:14.58KotCzarnyyou dont even need a hub if device draws <100mA
16:16.05buZzwell, but just a single port ..
16:16.21buZzah well, compiling kernel on a ancient atom, it'll take 4 weeks
16:16.21buZznp
16:16.22buZz:)
16:17.17KotCzarnygrab some cheapo dual core celeron and let it serve as scratchbox machine?
16:24.30buZz^_^ guess i could
16:24.38buZzi'm trying to avoid using scratchbox
16:24.51buZzand just using common linux crosscompiling
16:24.58buZzas close to 'normal' as possible
16:26.25buZzatom n270 btw :)
16:26.26KotCzarnythen you need qemu
16:26.34Wizzupor use an arm machine
16:26.40buZz;)
16:27.02KotCzarnyyes, preferably highclocked multicore arm monster
16:27.05buZzi think debootstrap can get pretty far without native code execution
16:27.13Wizzupif you say so
16:27.19buZzwe'll see
16:27.23Wizzup(I don't think so)
16:27.24Wizzup:D
16:27.33buZzworstkaas i have a rpi2 i could use
16:27.41KotCzarnybut if you need recompiled gcc, you need some arm system
16:27.48KotCzarnyeither native or emulated
16:28.05KotCzarnyfor stage2 and 3
16:32.04buZznah i just gonna grab debian's prebuilds
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16:48.29WizzupbuZz: pir is not armv7
16:48.45WizzupbuZz: you could just untar a gentoo stage
16:48.52Wizzupand then from the gentoo stage, install debian
16:48.55buZzpir?
16:48.59Wizzuppi*
16:49.04buZzoh right
16:49.05Wizzupor is the pi2 arm7?
16:49.07buZzpi2 isnt
16:49.09buZzyeah
16:49.11Wizzupah
16:49.13Wizzupfun times
16:49.13buZzpi1 is armv6
16:49.21Wizzupdont make a picture with flashtorch of it though
16:49.26WizzupI heard it is camera-shy
16:49.49buZz:) yeah
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17:07.10Siceloi know this is a tad OT, but myqsl vs. postgresql ... which would you recommend over the other?
17:07.14keriopostgres
17:07.21keriobecause it's a relational database
17:07.32kerioas opposed to mysql which is a joke
17:20.12PaliSicelo: depends on usage
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17:37.47DocAvalanche~botsnack
17:37.47infobotDocAvalanche: aw, gee
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17:44.47Sicelothanks Pali :)
17:45.15Sicelowill research further the relative strengths & weaknesses of either of these
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20:18.36KotCzarnysicelo: mysql went commercial
20:18.47KotCzarnyfree one was forked and renamed mariadb
20:18.52KotCzarnyor something
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20:52.53ds3really? so no more dual licensed mysql?
20:55.38Luke-Jrds3: basically mysql renamed and the corporate forked under the old name
20:58.58ds3the nice thing about dual license is it provides a level of assurance of compatibility
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21:54.26deltheya
21:55.11deltjust ordered this for my n810 http://www.ebay.ca/itm/390941404054
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