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| 01:21.04 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 01:22.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 01:22.22 | infobot | somebody said usbfix was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt |
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| 01:26.54 | Oksana | was reading the first post of the thread (bookmarked long ago), thank you, and looking for way to solder back the (new, from DigiKey) microUSB port (already broken off, long ago). While wire-soldering looks promising for the case of no-pads-left (did I understand it correctly?), it has only one photograph? |
| 01:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, wire soldering works |
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| 01:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | also see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1089843 - and some post in this thread has pictures attached as tarball, those are good iirc |
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| 01:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | also what we learned today from >><Oksana> Where did these pictures go? Whole server is not here:<< -> never embed pictures, always *attach* them, like in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1089289&postcount=25 |
| 01:34.12 | Oksana | Having step-by-step high-resolution microUSB soldering photos would be nice. It's not urgent, because: 1) Nokia N900 repair tools (hopefully, TorxPlus screwdrivers, to be on the safe side) haven't arrived yet; 2) local makerspace seems to experience a break (holidays and such). | HiRes pictures can be attached as tarball, yes. Nice photo! :-) |
| 01:34.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | a known problem of this BB software |
| 01:36.34 | Oksana | I understand +5V, Data1 and Data2. Why are there three pads for Ground? And I assume they are not to be shorted into one pad |
| 01:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: for the wire fix, you need to cut out a segment of the can wall |
| 01:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to very carefully cut the walls down on 2 vertical cuts (ideally use some file or saw or something, or a *very sharp* and fine side cutter, e.g Knippex), then heat the wall segment up with a huge soldering iron until it desolders from PCB |
| 01:39.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1089843 (re three pads DND) |
| 01:41.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Pinouts |
| 01:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | pin4 is ID and should better stay NC than shorted to GND. Pin5 is actual GND |
| 01:43.58 | Oksana | So pin 4 is host-or-gadget, and ideally user would somehow be able to change it, depending on what he is using the microUSB for? |
| 01:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the rightmost huge PAD is GND mechanical post. The short "red wire" to pin5 is correct. The short red wire from pin5 to pin4 is incorrect |
| 01:44.23 | Oksana | And if I want mass-storage-and-such to work, it's better Not Connected? |
| 01:44.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 doesn't really care about ID pin, since N900 is not made for USB-OTG |
| 01:45.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, better leave it not connected than short to GND |
| 01:45.31 | Oksana | should get some small thin red, white, green and black wires |
| 01:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | the color is irrelevant ;-) |
| 01:46.53 | Oksana | But helpful for future. It is specified, for some reason... |
| 01:47.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, in cables, yes. For rework you really don't care about color :-) |
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| 02:07.15 | ebzzry | The flash player pointed in https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup is not accessible. Does anybody have a copy? |
| 02:07.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 |
| 02:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | incorrect since it shorts ID (pin4) to GND (pin5), but otherwise very good picture of wire fix |
| 02:11.24 | ebzzry | found it |
| 02:14.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ebzzry: please be skeptic about https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup, it's not any 'official' recommendation, also has some incorrect facts or assumptions in it |
| 02:14.49 | ebzzry | ok |
| 02:22.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>It provided important features like stable Smartreflex which will significantly increase battery life.<< for eample is yet to get proven by a test with hard numbers. Odds are that SmartReflex still might be buggy as it was when Nokia developed the device, possibly on a chip level, thus has negative impact on stability of device (unsolicited reboots or segfaults in apps), and that the energy savings are not really noticeable |
| 02:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> Additional Unnecessary Software The following is deemed safe:<< Safe maybe, but whether or not it's wise and what's the intended benefit stays unclear |
| 02:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Get flashplayer 10 binaries for maemo.<< it's highly arguable if that flashplayer-10 binary is of higher quality or better functionality than the genuine flashplayer-9+version10-backports binary |
| 02:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually this wiki page is better than it was last time I checked it, seems the really bad things got fixed |
| 02:35.18 | Oksana | Yes, already have the picture, white piece of plastic (?) under the microUSB pins looks interesting. And, when soldering, do I need to protect camera somehow, to avoid blinding the sensor with infrared radiation from hot soldering iron? |
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| 02:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should cover the camera with carton or thick sticky tape anyway, ro avoid damaging it with e.g. drops of hot solder |
| 02:53.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the white piece is nice, dunno if it's plastic (Kapton then) or just some paper |
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| 03:28.41 | ebzzry | Who uses texlive here? |
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| 04:35.31 | Maxdamantus | ebzzry: you mean on the N900? |
| 04:35.44 | Maxdamantus | I'm pretty sure I have, but not seriously. |
| 04:35.51 | ebzzry | Maxdamantus: yes |
| 04:36.03 | ebzzry | I can't install `texlive` using -devel |
| 04:36.17 | ebzzry | it borks somewhere |
| 04:36.26 | Maxdamantus | I just have it in a Debian root. |
| 04:37.06 | ebzzry | Maxdamantus: ok |
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| 05:21.47 | ebzzry | Why can I use FCamera, but not the built-in camera. When I do use the latter, I get: Internal error. Application 'Camera' closed. |
| 05:33.32 | ds3 | is apkenv still maintained for the N900 anymore? |
| 05:38.51 | kerio | was it ever maintained? |
| 05:40.38 | ds3 | at one point there was N900 binaries... I am happy to consider it "maintained" |
| 05:50.11 | Vajb | ebzzry: they use different drivers which are not compatible with each other |
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| 05:51.44 | ebzzry | Vajb: OK. Should I uninstall FCamera, for the built-in Camera to work? |
| 05:53.02 | ebzzry | Vajb: I'll experiment with it. |
| 06:00.36 | ebzzry | I just restored from a backup. I can use all Camera, FCamera, and BlessN900 well. |
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| 06:05.38 | ebzzry | ds3: do you have the .deb for N900? |
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| 06:33.48 | Oksana | ebzzry: Try https://www.dropbox.com/s/dnxolqjyqaygkup/Archive.zip ? |
| 06:34.07 | Oksana | hasn't used it, so no guarantees |
| 06:42.39 | ds3 | ebzzry: nope |
| 06:42.47 | ebzzry | ds3: ok |
| 06:42.55 | ebzzry | Oksana: let me check that |
| 06:43.33 | ds3 | doesn't that still require a manual extraction of bionic? |
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| 07:09.31 | princefakhan | I had a working apkenv. sadly, I lost the hard disk. |
| 07:09.42 | princefakhan | maybe it's on my drive |
| 07:09.47 | princefakhan | google drive. |
| 07:11.02 | princefakhan | nah. |
| 07:13.35 | princefakhan | I actually do. I missed he folder. lol |
| 07:13.40 | princefakhan | https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9zjab5kfpM8cXVUX1dkMmEzOTg&usp=sharing |
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| 07:25.01 | bencoh | ebzzry: you dont need to remove fcamera to use stock camera-ui |
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| 07:37.55 | ebzzry | Is it safe to optify /usr/lib/microb-engine? |
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| 09:09.18 | Maxdamantus | Previous LMD 1572, now 1588 |
| 09:09.28 | KotCzarny | polarcell? |
| 09:09.31 | Maxdamantus | Yes. |
| 09:09.41 | KotCzarny | now you see why it was recommended |
| 09:10.04 | Maxdamantus | Are they usually that much over specification? |
| 09:10.17 | KotCzarny | i wonder how well will they hold after 3-5 years |
| 09:10.30 | KotCzarny | maxd: yes |
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| 09:13.43 | Maxdamantus | And it's not likely that the Germans that made it put in software that produces false efficiency results? |
| 09:14.00 | KotCzarny | nope, its data from charging chip, not battery |
| 09:14.07 | Maxdamantus | I know. I was kidding. |
| 09:14.21 | Maxdamantus | (because of the Volkswagen thing) |
| 09:14.31 | KotCzarny | i have one fake thinkpad battery with fake firmware |
| 09:14.42 | KotCzarny | always set to ~60mWh |
| 09:14.47 | KotCzarny | Wh |
| 09:15.20 | KotCzarny | but i see it getting old because laptop turns off forcibly even with charge still reported |
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| 10:55.39 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 15:30.15 | Hangover-n-Sorro | Good day. Could somebody remove "109.188.127.17" from blacklist? Can't get to talk.maemo :( |
| 15:31.29 | sixwheeledbeast | Hangover-n-Sorro: email tachstaff <at> maemo.org with your request. That IP must be on a forum spam list. |
| 15:31.53 | Hangover-n-Sorro | sixwheeledbeast, thx! |
| 15:31.56 | sixwheeledbeast | *techstaff, obviously :S |
| 15:32.03 | Hangover-n-Sorro | ;-) |
| 15:38.01 | sixwheeledbeast | ~fix-ribbon |
| 15:38.07 | sixwheeledbeast | ~fixribbon |
| 15:38.07 | infobot | methinks fixribbon is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324171#post1324171 |
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| 15:52.49 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 15:55.58 | KotCzarny | could be that my fourth spare-parts n900 has broken ribbon in addition to broken lcd |
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| 17:50.42 | merlin1991 | ~seen javispedro |
| 17:50.45 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 311d 50m ago, saying: 'they don't, but you will have poor signal in stock n900'. |
| 17:50.52 | merlin1991 | dang |
| 17:51.37 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=20901 |
| 17:51.43 | KotCzarny | Last Activity: Today 12:23 |
| 17:51.49 | KotCzarny | if its the same person |
| 17:52.22 | KotCzarny | pm him there |
| 17:54.53 | merlin1991 | it's him but irc so much easier :D |
| 17:57.58 | KotCzarny | pm him to join irc |
| 17:58.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:58.25 | merlin1991 | atm is reviving his metawatch trying to remember which firmware git commit still worked |
| 17:58.35 | merlin1991 | so far I flashed 3 times into a reboot loop :D |
| 17:58.57 | KotCzarny | um, firmware git? |
| 17:59.01 | KotCzarny | what's that? |
| 17:59.09 | merlin1991 | don't ask |
| 17:59.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:59.14 | merlin1991 | it's better not to know :D |
| 17:59.23 | kerio | git bisect |
| 17:59.32 | kerio | also check the reflog? |
| 17:59.39 | merlin1991 | kerio: you need a "good" start point for that :D |
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| 18:01.21 | merlin1991 | heh found another bad one |
| 18:01.52 | KotCzarny | is it some secret super project to make n900 the best mobile device? |
| 18:02.48 | merlin1991 | no it's my pet project of having the smartwatch I like un my jolla again :D |
| 18:03.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:03.53 | bencoh | aww, didnt know you went jolla |
| 18:04.09 | bencoh | I thought you stayed on n900 :) |
| 18:04.17 | KotCzarny | n9 has 1G of mem |
| 18:04.31 | kerio | yea if i wanted a dead platform with no users and no apps i'd stay on the n900 |
| 18:04.35 | KotCzarny | which means it has a chance of having normal browsing experience |
| 18:05.00 | KotCzarny | kerio: you just need few apps you like than bazillion of ad infested crap |
| 18:05.13 | KotCzarny | unless you are into such thing |
| 18:05.15 | merlin1991 | bencoh: I went n9, then jolla, but still have my several trusty n900 |
| 18:05.25 | merlin1991 | and will contribute to neo900 stuff when it comes around |
| 18:05.39 | merlin1991 | actually want to invest some time into cssu again coming months |
| 18:05.58 | bencoh | yay <3 |
| 18:09.30 | merlin1991 | hm if i don't find the proper fw version soon I'll find a way to dump the flash from one of the watches onto the new one |
| 18:12.39 | bencoh | pebble? |
| 18:14.02 | merlin1991 | metawatch |
| 18:14.08 | merlin1991 | gen1 |
| 18:14.10 | merlin1991 | oldschool :D |
| 18:14.28 | merlin1991 | from 2011 |
| 18:14.37 | KotCzarny | n900 is from 2008 |
| 18:14.39 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:15.00 | bencoh | 2009* but :) |
| 18:15.03 | merlin1991 | I did find the right version but i'm not sure anymore if I flashed from git |
| 18:15.11 | merlin1991 | or found the 1.5.1 fw somewhere else |
| 18:15.26 | merlin1991 | if this rebootloops again I can try some age old fw I had lying around ... |
| 18:15.41 | bencoh | oh, it doesnt look uglier than apple watch :* |
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| 18:16.44 | bencoh | is it just me or they're all out of stock ? |
| 18:16.56 | merlin1991 | they are |
| 18:16.59 | merlin1991 | since like forever |
| 18:17.06 | bencoh | mmm"kay |
| 18:17.23 | merlin1991 | no idea what the company is doing nowadays |
| 18:17.37 | merlin1991 | they also closed the platform more and more with each generation |
| 18:18.15 | bencoh | sounds sad |
| 18:19.04 | merlin1991 | they had a developer sdk page and a forum, that did go away too some time ago |
| 18:23.55 | merlin1991 | hm the known good version didn't break the watch |
| 18:24.03 | merlin1991 | but it's not the one I want |
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| 19:26.35 | KotCzarny | wow, sim tray for n9 is for 5usd on ebay |
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| 19:31.10 | KotCzarny | and usb door another 5 |
| 19:31.12 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 19:31.50 | KotCzarny | i know there is supply and demand, but 5usd for tiny piece of rubber o.o |
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| 19:52.42 | KotCzarny | anyone knows if those parts are compatible with lumia 800? |
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| 20:17.41 | totalizator | this is business, not a charity! :3 |
| 20:18.37 | KotCzarny | pf |
| 20:36.36 | Sicelo | they aren't rubber btw :) |
| 20:39.08 | totalizator | pure gold :E |
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| 22:03.21 | ebzzry | Is 'Settings > General > Device lock' and 'Power menu > Secure device' different? |
| 22:05.56 | Sicelo | yes, and no |
| 22:06.32 | Sicelo | yes, because in Settings, you can define the behaviour you want. Power Menu enables the lock |
| 22:15.36 | ebzzry | Sicelo: Do they share code? |
| 22:19.19 | Sicelo | you mean the lock code? yes, there's only one code |
| 22:22.21 | sixwheeledbeast | ebzzry: "lock device" is like a key/screen lock, "secure device" is a PIN code lock. Do not use secure if you don't know your pin. |
| 22:23.10 | ebzzry | What is the character limit of the code? |
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| 22:26.33 | ebzzry | I didn't mean 'Power menu > Lock screen and keys' |
| 22:28.25 | ebzzry | By the way, is there still a way to use the device, when 'Secure device' was used? |
| 22:30.16 | bencoh | you can still try and retrieve the code from the cal partition and bruteforce it (with john iirc) |
| 22:30.51 | ebzzry | bencoh: Is it documented somewhere? |
| 22:31.29 | bencoh | maybe in some TMO post |
| 22:31.38 | ebzzry | bencoh: ok |
| 22:32.29 | bencoh | iirc you can also override CAL with some default known (encrypted/hashed) value |
| 22:33.37 | bencoh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 |
| 22:34.23 | Sicelo | 17:22 < sixwheeledbeast> ebzzry: "lock device" is like a key/screen lock << this isn't exactly correct, if we're talking about 'Settings > General > Device lock' |
| 22:39.26 | ebzzry | What is the limit of the lock code? How many characters? |
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| 23:17.14 | Oksana | Funny >> I assume my keyboard removed/connected messages and repeating key presses are caused by 2G radio interference. << http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93156&page=180 |
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| 23:22.36 | ebzzry | Oh, it's 10 |