| 00:00.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ds3: don't listen to weitd excplanations, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93095 |
| 00:00.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the links therein |
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| 00:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | then bash your government for not putting *any* reasonable nationwide regulations into effect. You can use one phone across all europe and it just works. In USA you're lucky when you drive 50 miles and your phone can still do simple emergency calls |
| 00:16.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1700/2100 is a special band dubbed "AWS" and is no special in any way, other bands are e.g. 1800/1850 and are called "1800" |
| 00:17.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, sorry, no coffee. 1700/2100 is NO special band, just has exceptionally huge difference between upstream and downstream link frequencies |
| 00:17.55 | ds3 | reading... |
| 00:18.09 | ds3 | Ohhh okay |
| 00:18.40 | ds3 | so it is 1700 half duplex, 2100 half duplex (vs 1900 half/1900+dF half)? |
| 00:18.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | never go for frequencies, always go for bands, they are unambiguous and clearly specified |
| 00:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 00:20.58 | ds3 | bands are confusing. I like regular engineering descriptions |
| 00:21.33 | ds3 | having said that, a simple pentaband radio is what i need, it seems |
| 00:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | bands are regular engineering descriptions |
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| 00:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands |
| 00:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | as regular and engineering as it gets |
| 00:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | AWS = band4 |
| 00:44.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually you'd need band *and* technology (modulation, access protocol FD vs TD, channel width etc) |
| 00:45.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | but band anyway is waaay better than 'frequency' |
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| 00:49.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | compare band1 (dubbed "2100", uplink 1920-80, downlink 2110-70) with band 4 (dubbed 1700/2100, UL 1710 â 1755, DL 2110 â 2155), and band 10 (dubbed 1700, **UPLINK** 1710 â 1770 and **DOWNLINK** - the one usually used to dub the frequency band - is 2110 â 2170) |
| 00:51.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | band 25: "1900", UL:1850 â 1915, DL:1930 â 1995 |
| 00:51.20 | ds3 | let me clarify what I mean - regular engineer as in general EE, not a mobile telcom engineer |
| 00:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the "frequency" nicknames are mostly meaningless and arbitrary |
| 00:53.04 | erlehmann | KotCzarny what is modem breakdown |
| 00:53.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | band 6, 19, 20 are all dubbed "800MHz" though they are NOT compatible |
| 00:53.17 | erlehmann | Maxdamantus where add the paper? |
| 00:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: he meant modem chip defect, a known problem of N900 that basically can't get fixed |
| 00:53.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: forget about "add paper", it doesn't work |
| 00:53.52 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 how does it occur? |
| 00:54.04 | ds3 | yes, I perfer to be more specific then the names like '800MHz' |
| 00:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: BGA solder joints popping up when PCB gets bent by pressing on kbd (a sound theory that has no evidence so far) |
| 00:55.14 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 i had it just disconnect during a call when the phone lied still. |
| 00:55.16 | ds3 | if that is the case, why won't a reflow cycle fix it? |
| 00:55.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ds3: so use bands :-) |
| 00:55.34 | erlehmann | also, opening and closing the phone would re-detect the sim card. |
| 00:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: the popped-open solder joints make loose connections that break open and re-connect at random |
| 00:56.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can help it a tad by doing the spring-fix |
| 00:56.44 | erlehmann | ~spring-fix |
| 00:56.49 | erlehmann | ~spring |
| 00:56.50 | erlehmann | hmm |
| 00:57.29 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 you have a link? |
| 00:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~springfix |
| 00:57.44 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, springfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1243160#post1243160 and http://www.jabawok.net/?p=14 |
| 00:58.58 | erlehmann | thx |
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| 01:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ds3: reflow does work, and I *think* somebody did it. However you know reflow isn't exactly simple, you need to heat up chip *and* PCB to >225° but <250°C for <20s, and you should not do this to camera, and a lot of other components on the board |
| 01:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflow can be done when you know what you're doing, using preheat to maybe 120°C and then hot air reflow station |
| 01:29.56 | erlehmann | oh well. |
| 01:30.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | previously removing or covering with isolating material all the components that don't want a reflow |
| 01:31.41 | ds3 | never said it was easy. it just didn't make sense that reflow would not work |
| 01:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 design has a fundamental flaw here: they shouldn't have placed large BGA chips on opposite PCB surface of kbd |
| 01:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody said reflow doesn't work |
| 01:32.26 | ds3 | epoxy underfill might have helped |
| 01:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? where? |
| 01:32.41 | ds3 | then I misunderstood someone a while back |
| 01:32.44 | ds3 | under the BGA |
| 01:32.51 | ds3 | so the balls can't flex with the keyboard |
| 01:32.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's actually impossible |
| 01:33.04 | ds3 | why is it impossible? |
| 01:33.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | because there are BGA balls and nothing else |
| 01:33.24 | ds3 | let me find the link |
| 01:33.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | designing the PCB layout in a smarter way would have helped |
| 01:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | adding some istance posts to support PCB would have helped |
| 01:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | epoxy hardly ever helps anywhere in electronics |
| 01:34.40 | ds3 | http://www.embedded.com/design/system-integration/4235387/Underfill-revisited--How-a-decades-old-technique-enables-smaller--more-durable-PCBs |
| 01:34.45 | ds3 | take a look at that |
| 01:35.00 | ds3 | it should address exactly that theory (unless I misunderstood again) |
| 01:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, how would you apply epoxy between the 0.4mm PITCH bga balls? |
| 01:36.34 | ds3 | if it is thin enough, it can wick in |
| 01:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even discussing how much weaker such small epoxy joint is compared to a properly soldered BGA solder joint |
| 01:36.59 | ds3 | no no |
| 01:37.11 | ds3 | it would not replace the solder |
| 01:37.23 | ds3 | it would go around the solder replacing the void |
| 01:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody said "replace". Epoxy usually isn't conductive |
| 01:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the voids are like 20% of the total area, 80% being soldered BGA balls |
| 01:39.22 | ds3 | there are many articles on ruggedizing the PCB with underfills |
| 01:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a solder joint is of higher mechanical strength than a epoxy joint. So that's 100% solder vs 100% solder plus 52% * 0.3 (for weaker epoxy joints) for the mechanical strength of that chip |
| 01:39.46 | ds3 | the N900 has a 0.032 or less PCB IIRC so that isn't helping |
| 01:40.14 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 what about the spring fix is âbasically can't be fixedâ ? |
| 01:40.22 | ds3 | I wouldn't think it adds strength that way. I see it as a "shim" to prevent board flexing from applying stress to the balls themselves |
| 01:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: it turns out the spring fix also doesn't work forever |
| 01:40.56 | erlehmann | i should stock up on n900s then. |
| 01:41.06 | erlehmann | current stock: 1 (and it is failing) |
| 01:41.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | from reports so far, it seems it might help for 6 months, or 12 or even 24 |
| 01:42.13 | erlehmann | :( |
| 01:42.19 | erlehmann | i like this device. |
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| 01:45.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ds3: well, they claim underfill actually helps, even for fine pitch BGA. I don't know how that's supposed to work but it might actually have helped *iff applied on a good soldered chip*. With a broken soldering, applying underfill would guarantee the chip never again contacts to the PCB like it's supposed to |
| 01:46.16 | ds3 | oh yeah.. it is not a repair thing |
| 01:46.20 | ds3 | it is an initial mfg thing |
| 01:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 01:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | also I wonder why they use epoxy and not cyanoacrylate |
| 01:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter being stronger and much better viscosity usually |
| 01:47.41 | ds3 | the keyword is fill |
| 01:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, possible, yeah |
| 01:47.57 | ds3 | cyanoacrylates aren't good fillers unless you add stuff but that makes it too thick |
| 01:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 01:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, I noted it, thanks for sharing this piece of info. However I don't see where to use it right now. Maybe later on sometime, when we build a device supposed to work forever and never needing rework/fix |
| 01:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | since underfill pretty much makes any rework a mission impossible |
| 01:50.25 | ds3 | there are vendors that CLAIM reworkable underfill |
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| 01:51.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: Neo900 UG *might* offer affordable replacement PCBs in a few months |
| 01:52.12 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 care to elaborate âmightâ and âaffordableâ ? |
| 01:52.14 | erlehmann | wait, i see |
| 01:52.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | (we will have a ~200 to 400, from upgrading N900 to Neo900) |
| 01:52.31 | erlehmann | you are ripping out the boards from n900, to put in your upgrade |
| 01:52.41 | erlehmann | am i right? |
| 01:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep :) |
| 01:52.46 | erlehmann | so you will have spare old boards lying around |
| 01:53.04 | erlehmann | i like where this is going |
| 01:53.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, unless we ship them to our customers. I doubt all customers will want them, though |
| 01:53.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pondering to offer a 10 bucks credit to customers that don't wnat their spare N900 PCB |
| 01:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we would have a few spare PCB to sell to users who want to fix their N900 |
| 01:54.30 | erlehmann | that would be really really nice. |
| 01:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously we can't give any warranty on those PCBs, they are used anyway |
| 01:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we could sell then for well <100 bucks |
| 01:55.20 | erlehmann | that sounds nice. |
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| 02:02.13 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 will there be neo900 updates at congress? |
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| 02:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | CCC? hardly. I don't think somebody of Neo900 officially joins CCC |
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| 02:13.15 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 but are you going? |
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| 02:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's as unclear |
| 02:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm currently suffering some health issues and I'm under very heavy load from working for Neo900 |
| 02:14.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt I have time and energy to attend CCCongress |
| 02:15.41 | erlehmann | oh :( |
| 02:17.13 | erlehmann | i hope you get better. |
| 02:17.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you in Gera or Munich? |
| 02:17.34 | erlehmann | nope, berlin. |
| 02:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | or neither :-) |
| 02:17.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | krhrhr, so much for geoip info |
| 02:18.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.iplocation.net/ |
| 02:18.20 | erlehmann | o2 mobile |
| 02:18.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 02:18.38 | erlehmann | i do not have a proper internet connection |
| 02:18.47 | erlehmann | which is why the sim card problem is kinda important |
| 02:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: I see |
| 02:20.16 | erlehmann | can the spring fix be done by a layperson? |
| 02:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, placing some paper between SIM card and battery will support the PCB against battery so it doesn't get bent that much when pressing the kbd. However too much paper there will bend the PCB the to other direction, making the contact issue even worse in the long term |
| 02:20.29 | ebzzry | Does anybody have a deb of Matan's keyboard shortcut? |
| 02:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | matan's kbd shortcut? |
| 02:21.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: (layman) hardly |
| 02:21.09 | erlehmann | does that mean that *not using the keyboard* is a workaround? |
| 02:21.24 | ebzzry | DocScrutinizer05: yes |
| 02:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of it |
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| 02:22.08 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 i think my brother told me he fixed the usb on his phone. is that experienced enough? |
| 02:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: well, that's not really a workaround, unless you never use it so it doesn't break. But yes, some users could reproduce 100% modem failure on pressing a certain group of kbd keys |
| 02:23.00 | erlehmann | urgs |
| 02:23.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: yes, that's absolutely enough expertise to apply spring fix |
| 02:23.33 | ebzzry | Does anybody use Ctrl+Shift+X-like keyboard shortcuts, to do specific things? If yes, how do you implement it? |
| 02:23.35 | erlehmann | great, i'll ask him then. |
| 02:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ctrl-shift-x does 'just work', no? |
| 02:24.03 | erlehmann | ebzzry for keyboard, if you ever find out how to disable the compose input overlay, i would thank you. |
| 02:24.11 | ebzzry | Where X is a key. |
| 02:24.13 | erlehmann | i want to use the compose key |
| 02:24.19 | erlehmann | but if i use it i get the overlay |
| 02:24.21 | erlehmann | :/ |
| 02:24.29 | ebzzry | Just like the one documented here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41389 |
| 02:26.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ebzzry: >>The repository includes modified-hildon-desktop (see description of this package on the wiki page) and keyboard-shortcuts.<< this MHD is *included* in CSSU |
| 02:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you simply need to define your shortcuts, the way matan describes |
| 02:27.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | installing the matan deb would actually be a dwongrade |
| 02:27.27 | ebzzry | I can't find the instruction how to define my own keyboard shortcuts. :-( |
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| 02:28.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems there's need of a python script: >>Keyboard shortcuts are still only configurable by editing the python script /usr/bin/keyboard-shortcut, but I hope looking at the file will make it easy for anyone to configure it as they want.<< |
| 02:28.52 | ebzzry | I have CSSU installed, but I don't see a /usr/bin/keyboard-shortcut |
| 02:29.11 | ebzzry | My old keyboard-shortcut was backed up, though. |
| 02:29.36 | ebzzry | I don't think it was part of MHD. |
| 02:30.42 | ebzzry | (I noticed that when I pressed C-S-x, Terminal launches. Where is that specific shortcut defined?) |
| 02:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | please see what I posted. It needs a python script which probbaly is NOT part of CSSU |
| 02:33.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | C-S-x is a built-in shortcut that even worked on PR1.1 iirc |
| 02:33.41 | erlehmann | what does it to? |
| 02:33.43 | erlehmann | do |
| 02:33.43 | erlehmann | ? |
| 02:33.44 | ebzzry | Yes, but where is that python script now? |
| 02:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | matan extended that to make them shortcuts conbfigurable and extendable |
| 02:34.46 | ebzzry | DocScrutinizer05: OK. I'll restoring from my backup. |
| 02:37.13 | ebzzry | Nope. Simply restoring /usr/bin/keyboard-shortcut doesn't work. |
| 02:37.52 | ebzzry | Ah, yes. The name of the package I think was keyboard-shortcuts. |
| 02:38.04 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 can it be that the n900 is heat sensitive? at the CCCamp, a friend of mine had hers not work after she left it in the tent during heat (it worked afterwards). mine now acts up after i let it lie behind the ~50°C fan output from my laptop. |
| 02:56.47 | ebzzry | By the way, why is Matan's MHD a downgrade? |
| 02:57.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a pity http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html vanished. It seems it was the only reliable source regarding details on how that hotkey feature works |
| 02:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#random_stuff_to_config_.2F_fix_.27things.27_.28c.26p_to_shell.29 --> "" ## new: with ctrl-BS for nice taskswitching, see ## http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html"" |
| 02:59.00 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 http://web.archive.org/web/20120709095945/http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html |
| 02:59.06 | erlehmann | (i'm so clever) |
| 02:59.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D \o/ |
| 02:59.45 | erlehmann | i use conkeror and have a wayback shortcut. if i type âwaybackâ before a URL, it asks the internet archive for a copy. |
| 02:59.51 | erlehmann | and archives it if it isn't. |
| 03:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ebzzry: >> /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/dbus_shift_ctrl (*) If the value of this key is true, then ctrl-shift-letter combinations are reported on the d-bus, allowing implementation of global shortcut keys. H,N,P,X are reported on the dbus only if the previous key is false.<< |
| 03:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ebzzry: [2015-09-29 Tue 04:59:00] <erlehmann> DocScrutinizer05 http://web.archive.org/web/20120709095945/http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html |
| 03:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 03:02.55 | infobot | from memory, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 03:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ebzzry: http://maemo.org/packages/view/dbus-scripts/ |
| 03:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ is basically the python script you need to actually trigger actions when /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/dbus_shift_ctrl reports pressing of a hotkey to dbus |
| 03:04.34 | erlehmann | d-bus pig disgusting |
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| 03:20.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#random_stuff_to_config_.2F_fix_.27things.27_.28c.26p_to_shell.29 |
| 03:21.49 | erlehmann | oha |
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| 04:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | shit! X-Archive-Wayback-Runtime-Error: ResourceNotInArchiveException: http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/binary/keyboard-shortcuts_1.2_all.deb was not found |
| 04:54.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://web.archive.org/web/20100414104505/http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/binary/keyboard-shortcuts_1.2_all.deb |
| 04:57.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmpf he's gone |
| 04:57.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ebzzry: http://my.svgalib.org/repo/binary/keyboard-shortcuts_1.2_all.deb |
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| 05:05.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/42878270 |
| 05:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://my.svgalib.org/repo/binary/keyboard-shortcuts_1.3_all.deb actually |
| 05:08.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ebzzry: get and install this .deb, should 'just work'. check the keyboard-shortcuts file in /etc/ err dbus-scripts (or somesuch), it's pretty well commented and easy to understand. You edit your desktop hotkeys there |
| 05:09.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | see http://paste.opensuse.org/42878270 |
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| 05:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually http://my.svgalib.org/ is the new http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/ |
| 05:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~matan |
| 05:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~matan is actually http://my.svgalib.org/ is the new http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/ |
| 05:19.26 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 05:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~matan |
| 05:19.29 | infobot | rumour has it, matan is actually http://my.svgalib.org/ is the new http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/ |
| 05:21.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: could we get a mirror of all that stuff (maemo / MHD related) in CSSU repo? |
| 05:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: http://my.svgalib.org/repo/binary/keyboard-shortcuts_1.3_all.deb clearly is a package meant to work with MHD only, so prolly shouldn't go to extras |
| 05:23.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | instead it should go to CSSU-extras (though we prolly still don't have any such repo?) |
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| 07:05.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | krhrhr: http://my.svgalib.org/770/n900/bq27x00_battery.c |
| 07:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://my.svgalib.org/770/n900/keyboard-shortcuts.install |
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| 07:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/ and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/repo/ |
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| 07:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 07:53.55 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 07:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~matan is also http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/ |
| 07:54.42 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 07:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~matan |
| 07:54.50 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, matan is actually http://my.svgalib.org/ is the new http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/ |
| 07:55.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mhd |
| 07:55.36 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mhd is Modified Hildon Desktop. See ~CSSU and http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html |
| 07:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, mhd is [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan |
| 07:56.46 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 07:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mhd |
| 07:56.50 | infobot | [mhd] Modified Hildon Desktop. See ~CSSU and http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html |
| 07:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal mhd |
| 07:57.19 | infobot | "#maemo mhd" is "Modified Hildon Desktop. See ~CSSU and http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html" |
| 07:57.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo mhd |
| 07:57.35 | infobot | mhd -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg> 49s ago. |
| 07:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget mhd |
| 07:57.51 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot mhd |
| 07:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~unforget mhd |
| 07:57.56 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered 'mhd'. Have fun now. |
| 07:58.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo mhd |
| 07:58.04 | infobot | mhd -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg> 1m 18s ago; last modified 13s ago by docscrutinizer05. |
| 07:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys mhd |
| 07:58.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget mhd |
| 07:58.30 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot mhd |
| 07:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo mhd is [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan |
| 07:58.43 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 07:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mhd |
| 07:58.52 | infobot | rumour has it, mhd is [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan |
| 07:59.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys mhd |
| 08:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mhd is also http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html DO NOT INSTALL MHD when you have CSSU!! the CSSU version is more recent! |
| 08:03.17 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 08:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mhd |
| 08:03.33 | infobot | [mhd] [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan |
| 08:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | grrr |
| 08:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget mhd |
| 08:03.51 | infobot | i forgot mhd, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 08:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo mhd is also http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html DO NOT INSTALL MHD when you have CSSU!! the CSSU version is more recent! |
| 08:04.00 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 08:04.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mhd |
| 08:04.04 | infobot | i heard mhd is [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html DO NOT INSTALL MHD when you have CSSU!! the CSSU version is more recent! |
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| 09:46.57 | Maxdamantus | ~forget is forgetful |
| 09:46.57 | infobot | Maxdamantus: i didn't have anything called 'is forgetful' to forget |
| 09:47.24 | KotCzarny | ~forget what he has said |
| 09:47.24 | infobot | KotCzarny: i didn't have anything called 'what he has said' to forget |
| 09:50.57 | princefakhan_ | ~forget everything |
| 09:50.57 | infobot | i forgot everything, princefakhan_ |
| 09:51.06 | princefakhan_ | Oh no. |
| 09:51.17 | princefakhan_ | Don't infobot |
| 09:51.45 | princefakhan_ | Damn! I put a space before the command |
| 09:51.58 | princefakhan_ | Did he really forget everything? |
| 09:52.14 | KotCzarny | guess |
| 09:53.03 | princefakhan_ | Shites! We gotta retrain him then |
| 09:53.24 | princefakhan_ | Didn't know everyone has this type of access to the bot |
| 09:53.29 | Maxdamantus | ~mhd |
| 09:53.29 | infobot | i guess mhd is [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html DO NOT INSTALL MHD when you have CSSU!! the CSSU version is more recent! |
| 09:53.49 | princefakhan_ | Ah! |
| 09:54.10 | princefakhan_ | ~everything |
| 09:54.33 | princefakhan_ | EH! Nothing. |
| 09:54.46 | princefakhan_ | I was scared as shit. Damn! |
| 09:54.57 | Maxdamantus | ~freedom is slavery |
| 09:54.57 | infobot | ...but freedom is already something else... |
| 09:55.06 | Maxdamantus | ~freedom |
| 09:55.07 | infobot | rumour has it, freedom is the ultimate virtue. Without freedom we are no better than any other animal. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. another word for nothing left to loose |
| 09:55.25 | Maxdamantus | ~war is peace |
| 09:55.25 | infobot | ...but war is already something else... |
| 09:55.33 | Maxdamantus | ~war |
| 09:55.33 | infobot | WAR IS THE SPORT OF THE MASSES! WAR IS OUR GAME! WAAAAAARRRR!!!! |
| 09:55.52 | Maxdamantus | ~ignorance is strength |
| 09:55.52 | infobot | ...but ignorance is already something else... |
| 09:55.59 | Maxdamantus | ~ignorance |
| 09:55.59 | infobot | Ignorance is bliss! |
| 09:56.06 | Maxdamantus | -_- |
| 09:56.20 | princefakhan_ | He knows too much |
| 09:56.33 | princefakhan_ | I wonder if he does something like skynet |
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| 09:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+status |
| 09:58.20 | infobot | Since Mon Sep 28 14:19:23 2015, there have been 10 modifications, 20 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 8 commands. I have been awake for 19h 38m 57s this session, and currently reference 119447 factoids. I'm using about 83148 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 125.87/2.49 child 0/0 |
| 09:59.00 | princefakhan_ | 0 morons? |
| 09:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I didn't find out yet what "morons" are, in infobot's world. Maybe ask her? |
| 09:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~morons |
| 09:59.42 | infobot | ACTION cluebats some morons over the head |
| 09:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~moron |
| 09:59.54 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, moron is someone that types long lines starting with "infobot" |
| 10:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 10:00.05 | princefakhan_ | I pm'd him. |
| 10:00.08 | Maxdamantus | ~mormons |
| 10:00.08 | infobot | well, mormons is members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints |
| 10:00.11 | princefakhan_ | Thats what ye said |
| 10:00.35 | Maxdamantus | ~muslims |
| 10:00.52 | jon_y | ~life |
| 10:00.53 | infobot | 42 (duh.) |
| 10:00.55 | Maxdamantus | ~danish |
| 10:00.55 | infobot | i guess danish is better than swedish. To get danish support in KDE do: apt-get install kde-i18n-da, or a damn fine pastry |
| 10:00.57 | jon_y | heh |
| 10:01.17 | Maxdamantus | ~swedish |
| 10:01.18 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, swedish is better than finnish, or #debian.se, or the gay and swinger communities term for a plain good old hand-job |
| 10:01.32 | princefakhan_ | Lol |
| 10:01.42 | Maxdamantus | Ei ole. |
| 10:01.49 | Maxdamantus | ~finnish |
| 10:01.49 | infobot | hmm... finnish is better than norweigan, or a misspelling of a popular type of polish |
| 10:01.54 | princefakhan_ | How does he compare languages? |
| 10:01.57 | Maxdamantus | Se on. |
| 10:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo finnish |
| 10:02.21 | infobot | finnish -- last modified at Fri May 9 11:15:22 2003 by ricky_clarkson!~ricky_cla@newton-1003.salford.ac.uk; it has been requested 4 times, last by Maxdamantus, 32s ago. |
| 10:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo danish |
| 10:02.55 | infobot | danish -- last modified at Tue Nov 4 00:23:26 2003 by g4lt!galt@134.50.70.19; it has been requested 5 times, last by Maxdamantus, 2m ago. |
| 10:03.29 | Maxdamantus | ~windows |
| 10:03.29 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, windows is either a 64bit hack on the 32 bit hack or just a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important collection of bugs, or bloatware, or an operating system |
| 10:04.10 | princefakhan_ | Huh. :) |
| 10:04.46 | Maxdamantus | ~apple |
| 10:04.46 | infobot | apple is probably a fruit or a company that makes iPods, iPads, iPhones, and Macs, or the thing that Satan used to tempt Eve |
| 10:05.02 | jon_y | >World of Warcraft bootloader |
| 10:05.08 | jon_y | its an OS |
| 10:05.17 | Maxdamantus | so is GRUB. |
| 10:05.20 | princefakhan_ | Haha |
| 10:05.33 | jon_y | grub does provide EFI filesystem drivers |
| 10:05.46 | jon_y | I'd consider EFI an OS as well |
| 10:05.55 | Maxdamantus | wants to run GRUB on his N900. |
| 10:06.15 | princefakhan_ | Just replace those products to iCraps |
| 10:06.16 | Maxdamantus | it didn't work last time I tried. Maybe will try again soon. |
| 10:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | uGrub |
| 10:06.25 | jon_y | wants a Xeon in his n900 |
| 10:06.27 | princefakhan_ | Or iShits |
| 10:06.41 | jon_y | dem sweet 28 core CPUs |
| 10:06.42 | Wizzup | Maxdamantus: you can run grub on arm |
| 10:06.44 | Wizzup | if you must |
| 10:06.59 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, you can build a grub that should run from u-boot, supposedly reusing its terminal etc |
| 10:07.33 | Maxdamantus | Wizzup: yes, but "ARM" doesn't encapsulate something suitable for a display. |
| 10:07.48 | Maxdamantus | unlike x86, which might be assumed to include VGA. |
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| 10:08.18 | Wizzup | there's simplefb |
| 10:08.20 | Wizzup | back later. |
| 10:08.56 | jon_y | x86 as ACPI |
| 10:09.02 | jon_y | n900 arm doesn't |
| 10:09.04 | jon_y | yet |
| 10:09.19 | jon_y | I'm sure someone can write a bootloader to put up a fake one |
| 10:09.37 | jon_y | since the n900 doesn't actually have changing hardware |
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| 10:10.46 | princefakhan | Oh! Cmon |
| 10:10.56 | princefakhan | I so hate this phone. |
| 10:11.27 | Wizzup | jon_y: actually recent arm has acpi |
| 10:11.50 | Wizzup | https://wiki.linaro.org/LEG/Engineering/Kernel/ACPI |
| 10:12.36 | jon_y | Wizzup: I know |
| 10:12.49 | jon_y | but it isn't a mandatory spec for arm manufacturers to use |
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| 10:13.05 | jon_y | iirc most ARM devices still use device trees |
| 10:13.18 | Wizzup | see also https://lwn.net/Articles/574439/ |
| 10:13.22 | Wizzup | jon_y: luckily, yes. |
| 10:13.29 | jon_y | UEFI for arm is a thing too |
| 10:13.29 | Wizzup | afk |
| 10:13.34 | jon_y | though not everydon does it |
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| 10:29.47 | KotCzarny | princefakhan: what exactly do you hate? |
| 10:30.15 | princefakhan | It's an android device |
| 10:30.54 | princefakhan | It has 2 gigs of memory, and it still restarts when usage reaches more than 90% |
| 10:31.04 | KotCzarny | customized or stock? |
| 10:31.33 | princefakhan | I would say customised. Cyanogen OS. |
| 10:31.55 | princefakhan | I was thinking of rooting it, and installing Cm. |
| 10:32.00 | jon_y | do you have a swap partition? |
| 10:32.21 | princefakhan | At least I would get Android 5.1 |
| 10:32.34 | princefakhan | Nah! No swap. |
| 10:33.07 | jon_y | that would explain the reboot |
| 10:33.20 | jon_y | OOMKILLA on the loose |
| 10:33.33 | jon_y | I wish android phones come with serial ports |
| 10:33.34 | princefakhan | I didn't even have many things running. |
| 10:33.51 | princefakhan | This one is badly optimized. |
| 10:34.01 | jon_y | yeah well, everyone writes the app in managed languages |
| 10:34.03 | jon_y | all GC |
| 10:34.10 | jon_y | and GC didn't do its job |
| 10:34.24 | princefakhan | Haha. |
| 10:34.32 | KotCzarny | jon_y: even with oomkilla, properly configured it will kill the right thing |
| 10:34.54 | jon_y | maybe it did kill the right thing |
| 10:35.01 | princefakhan | I have this IRC client, Firefox with 5 pages, and mix radio, and ram usage is already 25% |
| 10:35.14 | jon_y | and the watchdog program rebooted the OS to bring it back up |
| 10:35.16 | princefakhan | EH m! 75 |
| 10:35.41 | KotCzarny | princefakhan: if you just want internet radio you might want to try my droid app |
| 10:35.55 | princefakhan | Why not! |
| 10:35.56 | KotCzarny | wrote it because i wasnt able to find non-mem hogging ones |
| 10:36.26 | KotCzarny | http://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/tmp/kccr_app-release.apk/download |
| 10:36.43 | KotCzarny | didnt try it with anything 4.0+ tho |
| 10:37.05 | KotCzarny | but its small, has playlist support, big buttons and few other features |
| 10:37.09 | jon_y | does it require positional data to work? :) |
| 10:37.10 | princefakhan | Damn! I forgot oscp is cross-platform. |
| 10:37.31 | princefakhan | Well let me be the tester. :) |
| 10:37.33 | KotCzarny | princefakhan: its not oscp, just related |
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| 10:37.44 | princefakhan | Hmmm. |
| 10:38.05 | KotCzarny | but as i said, if you need radio player with a playlist, its perfect |
| 10:38.14 | KotCzarny | did i say its small and has big buttons? |
| 10:38.20 | jon_y | can it have multilayer playlists? |
| 10:38.23 | princefakhan | Well thanks. |
| 10:38.24 | KotCzarny | jon_y: not yet |
| 10:38.26 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:38.26 | princefakhan | You did. |
| 10:38.38 | jon_y | ok, feature request! :) |
| 10:38.55 | jon_y | doesn't own any android phone though |
| 10:38.58 | KotCzarny | jon_y: what would that do? apart from displaying positional ads? |
| 10:39.07 | KotCzarny | jon_y: install droid sdk, bam! |
| 10:39.28 | jon_y | KotCzarny: probably |
| 10:39.39 | jon_y | I don't work in ad companies |
| 10:40.02 | jon_y | maybe disable certain radio stations because you can |
| 10:40.11 | jon_y | based on position data |
| 10:40.27 | jon_y | "Sorry this station is only available in Korea" |
| 10:40.33 | jon_y | for no reason |
| 10:40.52 | KotCzarny | "sorry, you need to move 3 steps to the left to play this radio" |
| 10:41.04 | KotCzarny | "no, the other left" |
| 10:41.20 | jon_y | and use your addressbook |
| 10:41.26 | jon_y | and facebook data |
| 10:41.31 | jon_y | and text data |
| 10:41.33 | KotCzarny | i wonder if kccr would work in apkenv |
| 10:43.07 | princefakhan | Haha. |
| 10:43.38 | princefakhan | Well does anyone use apkenv now |
| 10:44.40 | princefakhan | Tho, KotCzarny the buttons overlap in landscape mode on my phone. |
| 10:45.15 | KotCzarny | princefakhan: can you make a screenshot? which os, what resolution |
| 10:45.38 | KotCzarny | (it was only really tested in 2.3.x) |
| 10:46.10 | princefakhan | Well I did. I have no idea where to post the screenshot. |
| 10:46.18 | KotCzarny | imgur.com |
| 10:46.41 | KotCzarny | they dont even require account |
| 10:46.50 | KotCzarny | the best image sharer |
| 10:47.00 | princefakhan | The os is Cyanogen OS. CM v |
| 10:47.22 | princefakhan | CM v12 based on Android 5.0.2 |
| 10:48.04 | princefakhan | :) |
| 10:48.48 | jon_y | so, are there any android devices with SD cards left? |
| 10:49.05 | KotCzarny | new ones? |
| 10:49.11 | jon_y | yeah |
| 10:49.23 | jon_y | nexus 6 or some such |
| 10:49.33 | KotCzarny | hmm, samsung galaxy "some model" has it |
| 10:49.51 | jon_y | hmm ok, samsung is still an ass |
| 10:52.01 | princefakhan | http://imgur.com/GQKEpde,6sBtUc4 |
| 10:52.32 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 10:52.48 | KotCzarny | they dont overlap, just this middle part is too big |
| 10:53.13 | KotCzarny | also, it might be its not using landscape mode files |
| 10:53.43 | KotCzarny | but otherwise it works? |
| 10:53.45 | princefakhan | Well, you are the boss now. |
| 10:53.51 | princefakhan | Yeah. |
| 10:53.58 | princefakhan | Well one more thing. |
| 10:54.09 | KotCzarny | playlist should reside in /sdcard/fav.m3u or favs.m3u dont remember |
| 10:54.20 | KotCzarny | or /mnt/sdcard |
| 10:54.32 | princefakhan | The menu where you have local, favorites fav2, etc |
| 10:54.42 | princefakhan | Local button doesn't work. |
| 10:55.06 | KotCzarny | could be different fs layout/access rights |
| 10:55.41 | KotCzarny | i wrote it long time ago, works well enough and no one requested any feats |
| 10:56.08 | princefakhan | That explains it. Google fucked up the SD card permissions since android kitkat |
| 10:56.16 | KotCzarny | also, if you start playing, it will play in the background, to fully quit press stop before quit |
| 10:58.02 | princefakhan | :) |
| 10:58.36 | princefakhan | Well, a little lollipop love, and this app should work great. |
| 10:58.48 | princefakhan | I mean, completely. |
| 10:59.18 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:59.56 | princefakhan | Does anyone know of a fm transmitter for Android. |
| 11:00.05 | KotCzarny | i might update it for newer androids |
| 11:00.13 | princefakhan | I miss that feature from Nokias so much |
| 11:00.33 | KotCzarny | there are fm transmitters attachable to headphones jack |
| 11:01.08 | princefakhan | Oh no! Not that. |
| 11:01.33 | princefakhan | U am talking about the app that came with Nokia phones. |
| 11:01.44 | princefakhan | It is in n900 too. |
| 11:02.00 | KotCzarny | but to be working it needs proper hardware |
| 11:02.05 | KotCzarny | which is missing in most phones |
| 11:02.30 | princefakhan | You open the music player, set a frequency from the app in device, set the same frequency on your car radio, and boom |
| 11:02.48 | princefakhan | Awww! |
| 11:03.05 | princefakhan | I thought it was all software. |
| 11:03.08 | KotCzarny | and i bet on the ones which DO have needed hardware, there will be such app/feature in software |
| 11:03.10 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 11:03.38 | princefakhan | Probably why I don't know of any such app on Android. |
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| 11:15.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | a nice litte app for N900 (yet to be written): tune your car stereo to an "empty frequency", hit the magic app on N900 and N900 automatically tunes in to the frequency your car stereo is on. How it works? simply by listening to the N900's microphone to hear if the radio plays back what the N900 sends |
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| 11:16.32 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: the n900 can also search radio freqs |
| 11:16.36 | Wizzup | is that not easier? |
| 11:16.46 | KotCzarny | different use case |
| 11:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know it can search. |
| 11:16.56 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: not diffent use case |
| 11:17.03 | Wizzup | you make the n900 find an empty freq and BC on it |
| 11:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that doesn't help to avoid tuning car stereo to the frequency that's shown in N900 display |
| 11:17.21 | KotCzarny | does it know which freq car radio is set to? |
| 11:17.28 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: ??? |
| 11:17.33 | KotCzarny | see ^ |
| 11:17.34 | Wizzup | oooo |
| 11:17.40 | Wizzup | I am totally misreading? |
| 11:17.42 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 11:17.46 | Wizzup | seems like it. |
| 11:17.47 | Wizzup | :) |
| 11:17.48 | Wizzup | oh well |
| 11:17.51 | Wizzup | I liked my application too ^_^ |
| 11:18.18 | KotCzarny | though tbh i just programmed one of the buttons to the nokia's freq |
| 11:18.33 | KotCzarny | 107.9 |
| 11:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas the FM-TX antenna in N900 is pretty poor for RX, and the FM-RX is bound to a headset attached |
| 11:18.48 | Wizzup | yeh |
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| 11:19.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | so neither the build-in frequency-scanner in TX chip nor the FM radio could reliably check for empty frequencies |
| 11:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | however as mentioned above, you can search for empty frequency on your car stereo, and N900 would automagically tune in to the right frequency, while you wouldn't need to know at all which is that particular frequency |
| 11:21.18 | KotCzarny | car radios also support scanning for stations |
| 11:21.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty useless |
| 11:21.33 | KotCzarny | which just means starting n900 and pushing scan button few times |
| 11:21.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | for this usecase |
| 11:22.53 | princefakhan | Qwertyuoopasdfghjllzxcvvb |
| 11:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and how would you make sure the frequency used by N900 is a *good* one? with no interference by a commercial broadcast station |
| 11:23.04 | princefakhan | Oops sorry |
| 11:23.18 | KotCzarny | doc, no commerdial radio uses 107.9 in pl |
| 11:23.26 | KotCzarny | *commercial |
| 11:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, when I actually ever write such app, I'll add a .pl mode that simply uses 107.9 when in Poland |
| 11:24.46 | KotCzarny | should work |
| 11:24.58 | KotCzarny | now, add gps to the app too |
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| 11:25.17 | KotCzarny | and maybe mind reading so n900 will know the user wants to listen to the radio |
| 11:25.25 | KotCzarny | which would be awesome |
| 11:25.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | or wait, I' simply ignore poland and state that it doesn't work there |
| 11:26.13 | freemangordon_ | :) |
| 11:26.19 | KotCzarny | still, needs gps |
| 11:26.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 11:26.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I got no time to do that sort of sophism discussion |
| 11:27.26 | KotCzarny | we all know that, thats why you are on irc |
| 11:27.40 | KotCzarny | (which is a known time waster) |
| 11:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, indeed, all the time kicking users like you consumes lots of time, particularly when you don't do it right away and instead try to explain why they are in for a kick with their nonsense |
| 11:30.18 | princefakhan | ~nokia |
| 11:30.18 | infobot | rumour has it, nokia is a cellphone company from Finland. |
| 11:30.28 | princefakhan | Not anymore infobot |
| 11:30.36 | KotCzarny | most bullies are psychopaths |
| 11:30.45 | KotCzarny | and/or sociopaths |
| 11:31.12 | princefakhan | ~sociopath |
| 11:31.26 | jon_y | social paths~ |
| 11:31.39 | jon_y | socialpuffs |
| 11:31.42 | jon_y | :) |
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| 11:31.47 | princefakhan | :) |
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| 11:32.13 | KotCzarny | abusing one's power is sure sign of such |
| 11:32.19 | princefakhan | Wasn't it t9000 |
| 11:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're begging for a ban, eh? |
| 11:32.53 | Wizzup | ...? |
| 11:33.38 | princefakhan | Who? |
| 11:35.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | that guy who couldn't help but getting personal when I told I have no time to discuss nonsense like mindreading, which obviously was meant as a (unsound) criticism of a nice concept for an app |
| 11:35.42 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: technically you could hook up some openerp (or whatever it is called) |
| 11:35.49 | Wizzup | and it could read your mind |
| 11:36.17 | princefakhan | EH m! Okay |
| 11:36.34 | princefakhan | Is there anything not possible? |
| 11:36.52 | KotCzarny | wizzup, is it at the stage when it can be used in the field? |
| 11:37.01 | Wizzup | somewhat, I think |
| 11:37.07 | Wizzup | I get to play with it in a few weeks probably |
| 11:37.09 | KotCzarny | ie. size/battery drain |
| 11:37.14 | Wizzup | uhhh that I don't know. |
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| 12:11.11 | ceene | it's quite easy to make FM transmitter work with headphones attached |
| 12:12.12 | ebzzry | What is that camera app wherein you can specify where to focus by tapping on that area of the view? |
| 12:12.47 | ceene | in my experience, not that it helps much, though, if there's a nearby station (both in terms of distance and frequency) the antenna won't be of very much help |
| 12:12.50 | ceene | maybe it's fcamera? |
| 12:17.50 | sixwheeledbeast | beware of the whole fcam drivers issue.... |
| 12:19.34 | ceene | what's wrong with them? |
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| 12:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik there's no such cam app on N900 |
| 12:22.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think that's N9 which does that touch-to-focus thing |
| 12:23.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't recall to have seen it on N900 |
| 12:24.07 | freemangordon_ | what is the point of having that touch-to-focus if you have HW button for that purpose is beyond my understanding |
| 12:25.04 | Pali | it is possible to use front webcam in cam app? |
| 12:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | then, I only know fcam, nicocam aka CSSU-T cam, BlessN900 and stock. And afaik none of them does focus-on-touch, but maybe I forgot |
| 12:25.17 | wnd | Maybe it was just my device, but having FCam modified camera firmware made my device rather unstable when using the camera. Once every ~ten times I was taking pictures the thing would simply freeze forcing slapping out the battery and as a result occasionally causing corrupted filesystem, forcing a manual fsck. |
| 12:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: sure |
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| 12:25.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: in theory. some cam app can even switch to front cam iirc |
| 12:26.12 | Pali | I was not able to use front cam in any app except gmail video call |
| 12:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | mirror? |
| 12:26.38 | Pali | mirror show me dard screen |
| 12:27.03 | freemangordon_ | mirror works, but you need to tweak brightenss etc by some other means |
| 12:27.05 | Pali | looks like color auto adjust or white balance not working... |
| 12:27.16 | Pali | but it works fine in video calls... |
| 12:27.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, first start another app that uses and thus configures the chip |
| 12:27.37 | freemangordon_ | because gtalk/skype adjust the controls |
| 12:27.39 | Pali | so I would expect that cam app should support it |
| 12:27.43 | Pali | somehow |
| 12:28.05 | freemangordon_ | it does not, afaik it is very simple app |
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| 12:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat bin/videostreaming |
| 12:31.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! tcpserversink host=$pcip port=5000 |
| 12:31.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# |
| 12:32.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | switch video0 to video1 for other cam |
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| 12:37.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2015/09/29/plasma-desktopRb9051.png gst-launch-0.10 tcpclientsrc host=192.168.4.41 port=5000 ! jpegdec ! autovideosink |
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| 12:50.31 | bencoh | whitebalance with front cam is aweful |
| 12:51.05 | KotCzarny | having touch-to-focus would help users with dead camera button (not that there are any) |
| 12:51.23 | KotCzarny | unless one talks about focusing on specific part of the picture |
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| 13:15.14 | ebzzry | What is a decent browser, aside from MicroB? |
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| 13:15.44 | KotCzarny | fennec, opera, midori, qmlwebkit and few others |
| 13:15.55 | ebzzry | KotCzarny: thanks |
| 13:16.21 | KotCzarny | fennec is fierfox 17 but compiled only for cssu-thumb |
| 13:16.29 | ebzzry | KotCzarny: ok |
| 13:16.39 | KotCzarny | (or cssu, dont remember) |
| 13:16.47 | Wizzup | fennec is firefox, but not really firefox |
| 13:16.54 | Wizzup | it's a diff ui for the same rendering engine |
| 13:17.29 | KotCzarny | thought shortcut |
| 13:18.01 | KotCzarny | still, 256M of mem is not enough for good browsing experience with any of them |
| 13:20.43 | ebzzry | ok |
| 13:21.35 | ebzzry | what are good games that uses brain? |
| 13:21.42 | KotCzarny | sgtpuzzles |
| 13:21.52 | KotCzarny | hex-a-hop |
| 13:22.04 | KotCzarny | gnurobbo |
| 13:22.13 | KotCzarny | chess |
| 13:22.30 | KotCzarny | gweled |
| 13:22.49 | ebzzry | is sgtpuzzles in -devel? |
| 13:23.15 | KotCzarny | sgt-puzzles |
| 13:23.19 | KotCzarny | in extras |
| 13:23.40 | KotCzarny | but much newer version in -devel |
| 13:23.49 | ebzzry | ok |
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| 14:00.20 | ceene | scummvm :& |
| 14:00.23 | ceene | :) |
| 14:01.03 | ceene | a strange thing happened today |
| 14:01.39 | ceene | a powered off computer connected to the lan made the switch unwilling to switch anything |
| 14:04.52 | KotCzarny | static electricity? |
| 14:05.49 | L29Ah | my hobby: crashing omp |
| 14:05.53 | ceene | nop |
| 14:06.19 | ceene | the led on the network card lighted on when plugged the cable |
| 14:06.31 | ceene | the motherboard had power but was off |
| 14:06.40 | L29Ah | ebzzry: try building dillo :] |
| 14:06.54 | ebzzry | L29Ah: isn't dillo built already? |
| 14:06.59 | ceene | i removed all power (cable and all), restored power and the light didn't get on again |
| 14:07.05 | KotCzarny | there is dillo ine extras-devel |
| 14:07.13 | ceene | so the network card was in a very strange sate |
| 14:07.16 | ceene | state |
| 14:07.36 | ceene | very weird |
| 14:07.38 | KotCzarny | shouldnt block switch from functioning |
| 14:08.02 | ceene | i know |
| 14:08.12 | ceene | it's a dumb switch |
| 14:08.33 | ceene | maybe the card was sending shit and saturating the switch or something |
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| 14:15.05 | L29Ah | oh ok |
| 14:20.30 | ebzzry | What's a good (or best) reversi/othello game? |
| 14:20.30 | KotCzarny | apt-cache search reversi |
| 14:21.09 | ebzzry | I mean, what would you suggest |
| 14:25.46 | KotCzarny | never played reversi/othello |
| 14:25.53 | KotCzarny | so i've just suggested search |
| 14:27.48 | esaym153 | KotCzarny: so glxgears runs on my n810, but only 15 fps lol |
| 14:30.11 | KotCzarny | plenty :P |
| 14:30.22 | KotCzarny | enough for educational apps |
| 14:30.35 | ebzzry | ok |
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| 15:09.46 | esaym153 | KotCzarny: well don't know really. I was going to make a game for my daughter, a combo between golf and pong, basically guiding a bunch of bouncing balls around on screen into a hole or something. |
| 15:09.57 | esaym153 | could do it easy and ugly with SDL using squares |
| 15:10.14 | esaym153 | but I got some code to draw true spheres in opengl thatI could use |
| 15:10.26 | esaym153 | but don't know if I got the power now |
| 15:11.31 | esaym153 | looked at n900 prices, not bad. Then noticed the N9 model and the new Jolla stuff |
| 15:11.45 | esaym153 | seems interesting |
| 15:12.13 | esaym153 | but everything above the n900 makes it look like using perl and the sdl will be a pain if at all possible |
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| 15:25.29 | KotCzarny | target n900, not bad price/features ratio |
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| 15:44.04 | esaym153 | KotCzarny: yea thinking that. But man, the small device market it so scattered right now. Every device has a different opengl support. Its crazy |
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| 15:46.46 | esaym153 | so just don't know if "staying in the dark ages" with the old version of opengl is right. Would be nice if by making games for my kids, I could get enough stuff on my resume to get a real game dev job |
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| 15:47.53 | KotCzarny | check work offers, see what they use, target that? |
| 15:50.47 | esaym153 | perhaps |
| 15:51.02 | esaym153 | or just buy n900, and do what ever I feel like :) |
| 15:53.17 | KotCzarny | i regularly see n900 for 25-35usd locally |
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| 16:15.24 | esaym153 | KotCzarny: where? ebay has crappy deals |
| 16:15.40 | KotCzarny | browse your local classifieds sites |
| 16:15.54 | KotCzarny | in usa try craigslist |
| 16:20.06 | esaym153 | KotCzarny: 0 results for any city within 2,000 miles |
| 16:20.26 | L29Ah | mfw miles |
| 16:20.50 | esaym153 | KotCzarny: I guess you are not in USA? the nokia stuff was never too popular here |
| 16:21.39 | KotCzarny | yeah, .eu |
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| 16:34.56 | Sicelo | ceene (and others interested), the application you're looking for is lfocus |
| 16:35.35 | Sicelo | as for why one would need it ... remember the button is for auto-focus. lfocus allows you to manually adjust the focus as you like |
| 16:37.12 | freemangordon | Sicelo: the same does nikicam |
| 16:37.19 | freemangordon | *nikocam |
| 16:38.14 | Sicelo | never used it. |
| 16:38.25 | freemangordon | it is part of CSSU :) |
| 16:38.45 | freemangordon | camera-ui2 aka nikocam |
| 16:38.47 | Sicelo | in that case i don't see the function :P |
| 16:39.10 | freemangordon | sure, you need to open the kbd ;) |
| 16:39.18 | freemangordon | but I don;t remember the keys |
| 16:39.37 | Sicelo | and .. i remeber there was a lot of controvesy re: nikocam .. whether correct or incorrect .. lfocus would help for those religiously agains nikocam |
| 16:39.40 | Sicelo | let me test |
| 16:43.53 | Sicelo | at least the basic keys (without modifier) don't seem to do any focus stuff. nice shortcuts though :) "c" for capturing |
| 16:44.02 | KotCzarny | h? |
| 16:44.06 | KotCzarny | (as in help) |
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| 16:48.16 | Sicelo | https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/Camera_UI |
| 16:48.57 | freemangordon | f/F |
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| 16:49.27 | Sicelo | yes, see now :) |
| 16:49.41 | Sicelo | i'm surprised there's even RAW format? :O |
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| 16:58.28 | freemangordon | :nod: |
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| 17:01.27 | Sicelo | capture with "c" is very nice. wow! helps a lot against any unintended shake. on-screen button can't compare |
| 17:01.39 | freemangordon | see |
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| 17:29.13 | Pali | "b/B switch to the front camera/Switch to the back Camera (Works in Video Mode Only)" |
| 17:29.15 | Pali | cool |
| 17:30.11 | Pali | why is this feature not possible to configure via GUI? |
| 17:30.22 | KotCzarny | because no one added it? |
| 17:30.24 | Sicelo | waiting for Pali to add it :) |
| 17:30.24 | Pali | and only via hidden key shortcut? |
| 17:30.32 | Pali | "t toggle White LED" |
| 17:30.45 | Pali | same invisible thing |
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| 18:11.18 | buZz | hmmf |
| 18:11.32 | buZz | is there some method to get OS2008 to have working bluetooth audio? :P |
| 18:11.39 | buZz | for non-headset devices |
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| 19:16.05 | reinob | when I start irssi I always see a notice that my nick is registered and should identify, which irssi does. so I'm sure I'm registered :) |
| 19:16.28 | princefakhan | but? |
| 19:16.46 | reinob | sorry, wrong channel |
| 19:16.58 | princefakhan | oh! |
| 19:17.06 | reinob | :) |
| 19:17.41 | princefakhan | :) |
| 19:18.11 | KotCzarny | maybe it registers after that message comes through |
| 19:18.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:18.52 | KotCzarny | s/registers/identifies/ |
| 19:19.00 | reinob | KotCzarny: yes, that's what happens. I was just confirming to juiceme that my nick is registered. For the council cloak |
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