| 00:00.03 | Maxdamantus | the stuff in /etc/mce.ini |
| 00:00.13 | Wizzup | there's a program for it as well |
| 00:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no reason why a world readable sysfs node particularly for bq27xx should cause any concerns in upstream or anywhere |
| 00:00.23 | Wizzup | (a gui to edit led patterns) |
| 00:00.36 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: grsec hides most of /sys for non root though |
| 00:00.38 | Wizzup | but yeah. generally. |
| 00:00.41 | Maxdamantus | 4000257f06ff7f0041000000 |
| 00:01.09 | Maxdamantus | that's a program to pulsate the light orange without a break. |
| 00:01.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, it only gets interesting with a program calculating primes ;-) |
| 00:02.19 | Maxdamantus | It can't do that. It's not as powerful as perl's regex. |
| 00:02.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | which the LP5523 actually can do |
| 00:03.02 | Maxdamantus | Hm. |
| 00:03.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has 2 or 3 8bit vars and a complete set of math and conditional branching commands |
| 00:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I seen somebody claiming he wrote a program that calculates primes on LP5523 |
| 00:06.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/6/22/207 |
| 00:13.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't find the blog article(?) that wrote about that little hack on LP5523 |
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| 00:26.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | or i2ctools otoh (actually for i2c dev node) it's pretty clear why root permissions are needed. you actually could nuke your hardware with it |
| 00:26.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | for* |
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| 03:06.40 | Maxdamantus | https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/297a533b3e621be520d44d8baf3bb72ce15c4110 |
| 03:06.46 | Maxdamantus | wonders if that's in the power kernel. |
| 03:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, for sure it's not in the stock maemo kernel |
| 03:26.37 | Maxdamantus | Does the stock maemo even come with that module? |
| 03:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
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| 06:42.31 | Maxdamantus | It looks like that "registers" entry in sysfs is special to the power kernel, can't find it anywhere in the mainline history. |
| 06:50.03 | Maxdamantus | wonders if there's a working git repository for it. |
| 06:51.37 | Maxdamantus | Ah, maybe vcs.maemo.org works but is just really slow. |
| 06:54.52 | KotCzarny | um, while you are writing c program, it shouldn't require any additional bash tools |
| 06:55.16 | KotCzarny | and you should implement that second part that is helping calibration too |
| 06:55.53 | KotCzarny | maybe even calibration mode which would beep the audio device and poweroff |
| 06:56.26 | KotCzarny | (i was going to write it myself, but no time atm :/ |
| 06:56.53 | Maxdamantus | I've already written it. It doesn't depend on anything. |
| 06:57.08 | Maxdamantus | just needs a C compiler and a libc. |
| 06:57.14 | KotCzarny | does it have loop mode too? |
| 06:57.18 | Maxdamantus | Yes. |
| 06:57.22 | KotCzarny | good |
| 06:57.25 | Maxdamantus | https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/ada1412f3ef6ae1c440e |
| 06:58.34 | KotCzarny | make it configurable (RS shouldnt be constant) |
| 06:58.58 | Maxdamantus | Under what circumstances would that change? |
| 06:59.23 | KotCzarny | ask doc, but his scripts use 22 for that value for example |
| 06:59.43 | KotCzarny | it's estimation anyway and relies on battery age i think |
| 07:00.19 | Maxdamantus | Can always just modify the program and recompile. |
| 07:00.23 | KotCzarny | also, provide -h/--help and some info what it does |
| 07:00.28 | Maxdamantus | Only takes a second or two on the device. |
| 07:01.01 | KotCzarny | just saying if you ever wanted upload it to extras |
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| 15:29.14 | Wizzup | Pali: didn't make to compile your v4.2-rc2-n900 yet, it errors somewhere when compiling some (default) crypto stuff |
| 15:29.18 | Wizzup | I'll try it again a bit later |
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| 16:17.44 | abramelin | Hello |
| 16:18.00 | abramelin | Can anyone help me with something to do with the n900? |
| 16:18.18 | KotCzarny | amazing, samba source is 20M packed, how come file server to need so much code |
| 16:18.21 | KotCzarny | ~ask |
| 16:18.22 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 16:18.29 | KotCzarny | abramelin: ^ |
| 16:18.54 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: ask microsoft, they wrote the protocol and all the stupid extensions |
| 16:20.24 | abramelin | Ok. I have an N900 again since a long time and I've reflashed it to the latest image, but a few things still seem outdated compared to last time. For example, in the expose thing, I can't switch to windows with q, w, e, etc. anymore, I have to press the touch screen |
| 16:20.35 | abramelin | Also, I can't put my device in standby anymore |
| 16:21.00 | abramelin | Are these really symptoms of an outdated system, or are they separate issues? |
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| 16:21.58 | KotCzarny | newer new one can use keys to switch windows |
| 16:22.05 | KotCzarny | maybe it was some extension |
| 16:22.18 | KotCzarny | also, did you remember installing cssu before/ |
| 16:22.21 | abramelin | I don't recall installing anything speciaul for that |
| 16:22.22 | abramelin | Oh |
| 16:22.30 | abramelin | That might be it |
| 16:22.32 | KotCzarny | ~cssu |
| 16:22.33 | infobot | i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 16:24.18 | abramelin | Yeah, thanks |
| 16:27.46 | Vajb | u can select program with q,w and e if u have programs running |
| 16:28.12 | Vajb | like when u press top left and see thumbnails of running programs |
| 16:29.31 | Vajb | and when having keyb visible u can use arrows to switch between desktops |
| 16:30.12 | abramelin | > Your system has broken packages; check the log |
| 16:30.21 | abramelin | Does anyone know how to fix this? I couldn't find any logs in /var/logs |
| 16:35.08 | Vajb | try apt to see what errors it gives, but don't do autoremove or dist upgrade |
| 16:40.41 | abramelin | Thanks |
| 16:43.28 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 16:43.29 | infobot | maemo-repos is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 16:43.47 | KotCzarny | this also can help you in case of fresh install |
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| 17:08.14 | freemangordon | Pali: https://github.com/community-ssu/rtcom-accounts-plugin-jabber/commits/master :) |
| 17:08.24 | freemangordon | I hope to finish it tomorrow |
| 17:09.38 | freemangordon | one small function left, but I have to stop for today |
| 17:15.38 | Pali | great |
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| 18:06.54 | M4rtinK | nice :) |
| 18:14.52 | esaym153 | heh, building perl-5.20.3 in scratchbox :) |
| 18:15.44 | esaym153 | lets see how n810 likes modern perl with Moose and SDK |
| 18:15.56 | KotCzarny | dont run out of space |
| 18:16.07 | esaym153 | SDL* |
| 18:16.58 | esaym153 | KotCzarny: ./perl-build -j6 --test 5.20.3 /media/mmc2/perl-5.20.3 :) |
| 18:17.18 | esaym153 | going to find out how modern perl with Moose and SDL can run |
| 18:17.30 | esaym153 | don't know if SDL from cpan will even compile on this though :/ |
| 18:17.47 | esaym153 | SDLx::App, ect |
| 18:18.49 | esaym153 | and even if it does, it might quickly suck up my entire 40mb of free ram |
| 18:25.10 | KotCzarny | esaym153: mkdir /media/mmc2/opt; ln -s /media/mmc2/opt |
| 18:25.19 | KotCzarny | then build everyting with --prefix=/opt |
| 18:25.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:25.43 | KotCzarny | just watch out not to replace things required to boot |
| 18:26.02 | KotCzarny | i meant: ln -s /media/mmc2/opt /opt |
| 18:26.22 | KotCzarny | more clean/portable/manageable |
| 18:26.36 | KotCzarny | also, building on poor n8x0 ? |
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| 18:30.09 | KotCzarny | mm, samba 2.2.12 works nicely on n900 as MyDocs server |
| 18:30.25 | KotCzarny | 1.6M binary, ~2M mem used |
| 18:31.32 | KotCzarny | newest samba requires some weird python modules just to build |
| 18:38.38 | KotCzarny | ok, lets see if i can get anything with smb2 working |
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| 18:44.51 | esaym153 | KotCzarny: not builing on n810, using the scratchbox sdk, building on a different machine, will then copy over |
| 18:44.59 | KotCzarny | Samba 3.6 added basic support for SMB2.0. ummm-kay |
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| 18:46.35 | vectis | I have perl-5.22.0 on my N810. Built it on the device itself |
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| 19:09.00 | KotCzarny | hmm, nokia n9 for ~20usd |
| 19:09.08 | KotCzarny | to buy, or not to buy |
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| 19:44.20 | esaym153 | vectis: what you using perl to do? |
| 19:44.34 | vectis | bitflu |
| 19:47.20 | KotCzarny | sounds like some kind of sickness |
| 19:47.31 | vectis | lol :) |
| 19:48.10 | KotCzarny | 'doctor, i have a case of coldram' |
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| 19:52.43 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: cheap! @ N9 |
| 19:53.01 | Luke-Jr | vectis: I have KDE built on the N810 itself! |
| 19:53.04 | KotCzarny | wizzup, question is, is it worth getting at all? |
| 19:53.12 | Sicelo | ^/sb end |
| 19:53.19 | KotCzarny | luke: logs or it didnt happen |
| 19:53.28 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: what logs? |
| 19:53.36 | KotCzarny | logs of build process |
| 19:53.48 | Luke-Jr | Portage deletes those immediately |
| 19:53.57 | KotCzarny | (but im just kidding) |
| 19:54.07 | Luke-Jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n8x0/packages/ |
| 19:54.25 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: good q |
| 19:54.34 | Wizzup | if it is 20, then still...very cheap |
| 19:55.02 | KotCzarny | maybe i'll get it for porting oscp to harmattan |
| 19:55.39 | vectis | Luke-Jr: how long did kde take to build? |
| 20:00.33 | KotCzarny | wow, n9 has 1G of ram |
| 20:03.21 | KotCzarny | ugh |
| 20:03.25 | KotCzarny | non-removable battery? |
| 20:03.27 | KotCzarny | wtf? |
| 20:04.59 | Maxdamantus | Yay, finally recalibrated, though it says 1574 mAh, which I suspect is a bit over. |
| 20:05.21 | KotCzarny | maxd: 12.5% max one cycle change for lmd |
| 20:05.32 | KotCzarny | it will stabilize in few cycles |
| 20:06.12 | Maxdamantus | It seems to have gone way over that. |
| 20:06.13 | Luke-Jr | vectis: I forget, it was years ago. |
| 20:06.28 | Maxdamantus | it was something like 1086 just before. |
| 20:08.16 | KotCzarny | maxd, still, discharge, recharge, if it stays ~1500 and CI=0, then you have good battery |
| 20:08.32 | Maxdamantus | 1088 â 1574 |
| 20:08.47 | Maxdamantus | so where does the 12.5% apply? |
| 20:09.02 | KotCzarny | it applies in the opposite way |
| 20:09.07 | Maxdamantus | do you mean you have to wait until it changes no more than that before you can assume it's reliable? |
| 20:09.50 | vectis | Luke-Jr: I tried building qt-4.8.5 recently and the tablet shutdown after 8 days |
| 20:10.11 | KotCzarny | maxd: yes, just wait few cycles |
| 20:12.05 | KotCzarny | heh, bought that n9 |
| 20:13.12 | KotCzarny | i just hope that battery isnt glued to the phone |
| 20:16.07 | Luke-Jr | vectis: qtwebkit is a problem |
| 20:16.20 | Luke-Jr | vectis: I had to do the final link on a real PC with an emulator |
| 20:17.34 | vectis | Luke-Jr: hmm, I might just try that. |
| 20:28.06 | KotCzarny | now i'll need to hunt 770 and n950 |
| 20:28.13 | KotCzarny | and maybe n810 |
| 20:28.45 | vectis | Luke-Jr: would both setups have to be identical? ie, the same versions of ssl etc? |
| 20:29.03 | Maxdamantus | You'd probably just use the same root. |
| 20:29.05 | Luke-Jr | vectis: dunno, I just rsync'd the entire N810 system and ran it in qemu |
| 20:29.20 | Luke-Jr | (qemu-system) |
| 20:29.25 | Maxdamantus | You wouldn't even need to rsync, just sshfs and build with qemu-user. |
| 20:31.05 | Maxdamantus | it's like Plan 9's concept of cpu servers. |
| 20:33.35 | vectis | I didn't realise you could emulate the n810 in qemu, only scratchbox I thought (which is qemu based of course) |
| 20:34.01 | kerio | you don't even need to emulate the compiler |
| 20:34.08 | Maxdamantus | It's just ARM. |
| 20:34.08 | kerio | although it could be simpler |
| 20:34.38 | Maxdamantus | You don't generally need to emulate other hardware-specific things when building software. |
| 20:35.02 | Maxdamantus | Theoretically, you shouldn't even need to emulate the CPU, but people have been stupid and made "cross-compiling" a special, difficult thing. |
| 20:35.26 | Maxdamantus | Though you can, as kerio suggested, kind of easily swap in a native C compiler, at least. |
| 20:35.38 | Maxdamantus | if you're using qemu user. |
| 20:35.41 | KotCzarny | well, some make recipes do build some helpers that are used when compiling |
| 20:36.09 | kerio | yea but you only need to qemu-user those |
| 20:36.21 | KotCzarny | and thats what sb does |
| 20:38.48 | vectis | Thanks for the info guys :) |
| 20:40.24 | KotCzarny | drat. smbd-3.6.25 is 8.5M |
| 20:40.49 | Maxdamantus | got nix to build itself and git and a bunch of other things for N900/Maemo. |
| 20:41.06 | Maxdamantus | the main difficulty was downgrading glibc, because Maemo's kernel is too old. |
| 20:42.11 | KotCzarny | one positive side of old glibc is that things are smaller a bit |
| 20:44.05 | Maxdamantus | I don't think that's a positive, unless it's significantly smaller. |
| 20:44.38 | Maxdamantus | It's a library that should be shared by pretty much every process. |
| 20:51.52 | Maxdamantus | wants a system that uses content-addressed code sharing. |
| 20:52.23 | Maxdamantus | so the sharing is just an optimisation from the fact that multiple programs happen to execute the same code. |
| 20:53.21 | Maxdamantus | and you should be able to compile multiple programs with different source trees and have them share code that was coincidentally compiled to the same thing. |
| 20:55.57 | kerio | that's what ccache does, really |
| 20:56.09 | kerio | it works at the object level |
| 20:56.57 | Maxdamantus | But that doesn't have anything to do with shared libraries does it? |
| 21:01.23 | Maxdamantus | The point with what I'm talking about is it should be a runtime optimisation. |
| 21:02.22 | Maxdamantus | and because it's content-addressing code, it shouldn't have to give up other optimisations that can't be done when conforming to ABIs. |
| 21:03.27 | Maxdamantus | (again, runtime optimisations, not compile-time) |
| 21:03.46 | Maxdamantus | Current C compilers are just horribly slow because of what they do. |
| 21:04.23 | Maxdamantus | convert each source file to an object file, then at some point link and hope that they can fit together. |
| 21:09.24 | Maxdamantus | Technology sucks. |
| 21:10.33 | Maxdamantus | Biology has already made crazy "brain" things that noone understands but which seem to far surpass computers in computational power per unit volume. |
| 21:17.12 | Luke-Jr | vectis: you don't need to emulate the N900, just the ARM CPU |
| 21:17.26 | Luke-Jr | vectis: chroot + qemu-system |
| 21:17.48 | Maxdamantus | Luke-Jr: that seems like a weird combination. Do you mean qemu-user? |
| 21:17.53 | Luke-Jr | oh, yes, sorry |
| 21:19.47 | Maxdamantus | and if you can't be bothered setting up binfmt, proot instead of chroot. |
| 21:19.55 | Maxdamantus | (or are not privileged to) |
| 21:34.13 | Tekk_ | Is there an MMS application that properly handles group chats? |
| 21:34.46 | Tekk_ | FMMS is capable of doing multicast, but it doesn't actually keep the information so you can't reply to the group, for example |
| 21:34.51 | Tekk_ | unless you manually re-add everyone |
| 21:41.38 | esaym153 | ugh, why the heck is mmc1 and 2 mounted with noexec? How do I stop that, or remount it so it isn't? |
| 21:43.42 | Maxdamantus | Maybe `mount -o remount,exec /media/mmc1` |
| 21:44.50 | Luke-Jr | Tekk_: I didn't even know SMS/MMS supported groups |
| 21:45.21 | esaym153 | Maxdamantus: I think I found it: http://www.vinc17.org/maemo/index.en.html |
| 21:46.44 | Maxdamantus | Ah, Maemo 4 or something. |
| 21:47.10 | Maxdamantus | That remount thing will probably also work (each time you use it) |
| 21:48.21 | Maxdamantus | Oh, if the issue is partly FAT, maybe not. |
| 21:48.42 | Maxdamantus | if you're using FAT, you probably have other issues too. |
| 21:49.46 | Tekk_ | hm |
| 21:50.12 | Tekk_ | Luke-Jr: actually I'm not entirely sure how it works, but it seems like other mobile OSes seem to have some sort of group chat functionality |
| 21:50.15 | Tekk_ | from what I've seen at least |
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| 22:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | group chat for SMS/MMS? that's a brilliant function, prolly invented and implemented on their subsidized phones by the carriers. SMS has no multicast, IOW answering to a chat with a group of 200 users means you're sending 200 SMS or MMS (maybe -1 for yourself). Now *I* pay 19 cent per SMS, a lot more for MMS |
| 22:10.36 | Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: interesting |
| 22:11.13 | Wizzup | has free sms in .eu |
| 22:11.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and particularly interesting: |
| 22:11.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~200*0.19 |
| 22:11.21 | infobot | 38 |
| 22:12.11 | Tekk_ | Well they tend to not be for large groups, to be fair :p |
| 22:16.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: yes, "free" |
| 22:16.45 | Wizzup | as free as internet packets |
| 22:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly? who donated that generous gift to you |
| 22:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | you either pay with your money or with your privacy, no matter what. I don't know of a single *free* service for sending SMS |
| 22:18.14 | Wizzup | oh, sure, it costs. |
| 22:18.20 | Wizzup | it's just 'unlimited' for very little money |
| 22:18.24 | Wizzup | and: tmobile |
| 22:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually you get "200 FREE sms for only 19.99 per month" or sth like that |
| 22:19.14 | Wizzup | no, it's unlimited, just like my 3g (64kb/s 'unlimited') |
| 22:20.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and bs like "group SMS app" are made to lure you into those offers |
| 22:20.38 | Wizzup | never saw that |
| 22:21.07 | Maxdamantus | so 20 GiB a month. |
| 22:21.15 | Wizzup | I just did not want to worry about extra costs in .eu |
| 22:26.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it a typical offer of our "up-to" times |
| 22:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | "up to 16 Mbit/s, up to 3 GB/month, up to 300 free SMS per month" NO LESS than 29 EUR per month |
| 22:30.40 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I can make unlimited calls (in my own country), texts (eu), and internet (eu) for not that much moneh |
| 22:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least O2 changed their standard procedure a few years ago: formerly when the 30 days prepaid data volume*period expired, they switched to charging a 19ct per started minute*MB. Now they actually have the decency to simply stop the data traffic |
| 22:30.43 | Wizzup | money* |
| 22:30.46 | Wizzup | seems like a decent deal for me. |
| 22:31.09 | Wizzup | I prefer to pay for some service and not be bothered by just how much they would ask for a single sms/text. |
| 22:31.17 | Wizzup | Because 19ct is bloody ridiculous |
| 22:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, depends on your usage pattern, often it's actually OK |
| 22:31.45 | Maxdamantus | 3 GB is enough to send far more than 300 messages through other protocols. |
| 22:31.56 | Wizzup | Maxdamantus: great, now I just need to find a free sms bridge |
| 22:32.09 | Wizzup | Oh wait... it was included in the internet package anyway |
| 22:32.12 | Maxdamantus | Stupid limits based on marketing rather than technical issues. |
| 22:33.42 | Maxdamantus | Commerce sucks. |
| 22:33.54 | Maxdamantus | Everything sucks. |
| 22:37.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: the providers calculate the prices on average usage. You may (or may not) profit from their offers when you're significantly above average. Unless your provider has additional 'fair use' terms that limit your service nevertheless as soon as you exceed what they think is "average" and thus "fair" usage |
| 22:38.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | 64kbit/s is pretty much ridiculously useless "internet" access |
| 22:38.46 | Maxdamantus | (that's 20 GiB/mo) |
| 22:38.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it would serve me right for IRC |
| 22:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: so what? |
| 22:39.25 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: even if I pay more, a constant price makes me feel better |
| 22:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it only takes two weeks to download the new installation DVD iso? |
| 22:39.38 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: useless? I have my ssh whereever I go :) |
| 22:39.42 | Wizzup | And I travel in .eu quite a lot |
| 22:40.09 | Wizzup | buying 'internet access' per country or per 'MB' is already more expensive, and still a one time thing |
| 22:40.23 | Wizzup | as an experiment I also have 64kbit/s in my home country, and it's been just fine so far. |
| 22:40.39 | Wizzup | I don't know what you do over 3g - but I just use ssh, and sometimes check some trains. |
| 22:40.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just saying there's no such thing like "free SMS". They been free (as in beer) when they were invented, back in the 1990s |
| 22:40.54 | Wizzup | sure, for the provider |
| 22:41.02 | Wizzup | I'm not saying it's not all a big scam |
| 22:41.05 | Wizzup | :) |
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