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| 06:05.09 | Maxdamantus | Polarcell arrived. |
| 06:06.13 | KotCzarny | will it blend? |
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| 06:34.03 | Oksana | What is this? http://blog.slyon.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/n900-cover1.jpg http://blog.slyon.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/n900-cover2.jpg Ah, aluminum backcover /wish it did not look like an abandoned project/ |
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| 06:41.52 | Oksana | Nice try: http://img.trade-list.com/userweb/xianglongxisu/upload/upimages/2801290168493.jpg Wrong OS-and-much-of-hardware, though... http://xianglongxisu.trade-list.com/4/product-show/37444/nokia-n900-tv-mobile-phone-with-sliding-design.html |
| 06:42.18 | KotCzarny | never seen NOKlA products? |
| 06:44.17 | Oksana | is thinking on modifying N900 into portrait slider instead of landscape slider. It requires: 1) a completely new slider mechanism; 2) a portrait keyboard of appropriate dimensions and exactly same connector (are there such keyboards from other phones, or will it have to be a custom job, too?); 3) a completely new flex ribbon (containing small front camera, RGB led, light sensor, and such),... |
| 06:44.19 | Oksana | ...or probably an extender for existing flex ribbon will suffice |
| 06:45.08 | KotCzarny | oksana, you need mobo case too |
| 06:45.34 | KotCzarny | and just use onscreen kb with vibro feedback |
| 06:46.36 | Maxdamantus | Then you lose screen space. |
| 06:47.01 | KotCzarny | you wont fit full kb anyway, and numerics can be small enough |
| 06:47.12 | Oksana | Why would I need a mobo case? Granted, I would need to replace the frame-around-the-keyboard, but the backcover and lateral sides (with holes for ports and speakers) could stay? |
| 06:47.34 | KotCzarny | oksana: sliding mechanism screws |
| 06:48.01 | KotCzarny | which means either new mobo holder or drilling through mobo |
| 06:48.12 | Oksana | Well, I would not fit full kb, yes... Just like any other portrait kb... Ah, to make portrait slider symmetric... Curious... |
| 06:51.29 | KotCzarny | maybe there is some small bt numeric kb module |
| 06:52.08 | KotCzarny | that way you could do away without flexcable etc |
| 06:52.21 | Oksana | Okay, then three-quarters keyboard: slide-up as usual, then the display can slide slightly-left or slightly-right to show some additional buttons-or-something. Would not need new screws... I do not need it right now, I am just wondering about possibilities. It's as distant for me as shoulder buttons on Pyra |
| 06:53.27 | Oksana | Would need to take care with flex-cable, to not tear it |
| 06:54.00 | Oksana | misses hardware "accept" and "reject" buttons for phone calls |
| 06:54.05 | KotCzarny | while you are at it, why not clamshell n900? :P |
| 06:54.33 | Oksana | Too difficult to do with current flex, I think |
| 06:54.52 | KotCzarny | just kidding |
| 06:54.58 | KotCzarny | it would be a monstrosity |
| 06:56.19 | Oksana | wonders what kind of tool should be used to work on aluminium-or-something slider-mechanism, to cut and bend it |
| 06:57.17 | Oksana | It's easier (cheaper) to use existing slider mechanism and modify it, as long as everything is done correct on first try. And I do not want to think how black paint on the slider smells when burned by laser cutting machine |
| 06:57.42 | KotCzarny | um |
| 06:57.56 | KotCzarny | there is no way it would work if you want to use current mechanism |
| 06:58.06 | KotCzarny | physically impossible |
| 06:58.38 | Oksana | Add new tracks, so that the screws, after sliding down, would be able to go sideways? Well, it would be physically fragile, maybe |
| 06:58.40 | KotCzarny | flex cable bending additional 90deg |
| 06:59.06 | Oksana | Flex cable is quite restricting, yes... |
| 06:59.15 | KotCzarny | you know the position of the screws in current slider mechanism? |
| 06:59.28 | Oksana | Four screws, yes |
| 06:59.37 | KotCzarny | on of it would be just at the middle of the bottom of your kb |
| 06:59.58 | KotCzarny | *one |
| 07:02.34 | Oksana | It's a tad obvious for looks, but not that bad in terms of functionality, right? |
| 07:02.49 | KotCzarny | its the functionality problem i see there |
| 07:03.20 | KotCzarny | making it stable with such positioned mount points would require adapter frame i think |
| 07:08.18 | Oksana | will experiment sometime. With flex-cable bendability, at least... And space within display module: is there any place for screws-tracks to go into, or will the screws collide with LCD display? |
| 07:10.43 | KotCzarny | will collide |
| 07:11.14 | KotCzarny | though.. |
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| 07:14.22 | Oksana | Though?.. | Pantech C810 Duo and Samsung SGH-F520 are funny... |
| 07:15.56 | KotCzarny | you can dismantle n900 to see, its only 4 screes for sliding mechanism and 6 in lcd, all accessible with 00 (or 000) size philips screwdriver |
| 07:17.03 | Oksana | Yes, will try to. Worst cases are when screw head is destroyed into circular-hole shape |
| 07:18.29 | KotCzarny | they are not tightened hard (and shouldnt be) |
| 07:18.50 | KotCzarny | just use good matching screwdriver and dont let it slip on screw |
| 07:21.23 | KotCzarny | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDQ81cahD1c |
| 07:21.36 | KotCzarny | at 3:57 you can see |
| 07:22.14 | KotCzarny | no space at the sides |
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| 07:37.35 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 08:11.58 | kerio | Oksana: *add* a portrait slider instead |
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| 11:18.24 | helloworld | just n900 questions here right? |
| 11:18.42 | L29Ah | no |
| 11:18.49 | helloworld | whatelse |
| 11:19.00 | Guest21139 | neo900 also? |
| 11:20.19 | Vajb | used few minutes of my time just to prove pointless point. I put Nokia 6630 Arberg Chess against Osso-Chess. Arberg at hardest and Osso easiest. Guess what? Osso lost, hah. |
| 11:21.15 | Vajb | helloworld-: I think there is neo specific channel also |
| 11:21.50 | helloworld- | ok |
| 11:22.02 | helloworld- | so basically, n900 related |
| 11:22.12 | helloworld- | and/or linux stuff related to n900 |
| 11:22.26 | helloworld- | the log of the chat i found really helpful, fun reading it |
| 11:22.48 | helloworld- | basically a lot of learning just reading the logs |
| 11:26.11 | Vajb | yes. Also i've seen talk about past maemo devices here. |
| 11:26.45 | helloworld- | oh yea |
| 11:26.48 | helloworld- | amazing devices |
| 11:27.13 | helloworld- | i always wish a world where maemo was installed in more devices |
| 11:27.22 | helloworld- | with faster processors, can't stop thinking about it |
| 11:27.29 | helloworld- | what an opportunity missed, |
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| 13:22.46 | KotCzarny | maemo devices are nokia 770, n800, n810, n900, neo900 |
| 13:23.02 | KotCzarny | not sure about n9 and n950 |
| 13:26.23 | Wizzup | that's meego |
| 13:26.41 | KotCzarny | Nokia runs the Maemo operating system on the Nokia N900 and Nokia N9. |
| 13:26.45 | KotCzarny | then wikipedia is wrong |
| 13:27.12 | Wizzup | \o/ |
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| 13:44.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | esaym153: restore your BM-backup |
| 13:44.49 | KotCzarny | doc: it's n8x0 |
| 13:44.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooops n810 |
| 13:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | N9(50) is harmattan |
| 13:48.17 | KotCzarny | is it considered part of maemo family? |
| 13:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is neither maemo nor true meego, nor a OS you really want to mess with (at least in my book) |
| 13:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | technically you could call it maemo6 |
| 13:58.30 | KotCzarny | mmmkay, stock fremantle and cssu-thumb reference backups done. time to hack this thing |
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| 14:24.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/talk.pdf p.6 actually harmattan been what Nokia made of meego, which been too maemo-ish for Intel and basically resulted in the end of meego and Nokia/Intel divorce. Nokia did this "meego" which wasn't since the true meego didn't perform up to expectations in time for N9, afaik |
| 14:25.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Intel had objections to calling Harmattan meego but there was little they could do about it. All hearsay |
| 14:28.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're interested in a 45 minutes excellent talk that also has some fact about maemo: http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm |
| 14:29.44 | KotCzarny | right now we can call maemo dead |
| 14:30.02 | KotCzarny | and current system is named cssu |
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| 14:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 14:40.50 | infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 14:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wish people would read instead of spreading nonsense |
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| 14:51.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>**not** implying CSSU will be the bleeding edge and pacemaker of development away from maemo5 towards something above and beyond (that's not what CSSU is meant to be and never will be, see above note about maximum compatibility).<< |
| 14:56.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Settings->ProductInfo: Maemo5 Version:21.2011.38-1 Settings->AboutCommunitySSU: Installed. Version:21.2011.38-1maemo11 |
| 14:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | if maemo was dead, the product info would tell "CSSU" and not "Maemo5" |
| 15:03.17 | Neutron111 | what is that? I lost my N900 :-( |
| 15:04.34 | kerio | :-( |
| 15:06.31 | KotCzarny | neutron111: just look for replacement, i've found fully functional one for ~15usd |
| 15:06.55 | kerio | i might move to an android phone |
| 15:07.00 | kerio | soonish |
| 15:07.03 | kerio | because free |
| 15:07.07 | kerio | (as in beer) |
| 15:07.08 | KotCzarny | kerio, wann sell your n900? |
| 15:07.27 | kerio | i have two, one has a broken musb, the other has a broken wifi |
| 15:07.38 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 15:07.45 | KotCzarny | it can has broken wifi? |
| 15:08.16 | kerio | apparently! |
| 15:08.23 | KotCzarny | how did you manage that? |
| 15:08.34 | kerio | fucked if i know |
| 15:08.44 | kerio | bluetooth works fine |
| 15:09.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | checked your firmware? |
| 15:09.47 | kerio | i think so |
| 15:10.01 | kerio | i mean, my music drops if i search for wifi networks |
| 15:10.07 | kerio | it just doesn't find anything |
| 15:11.08 | KotCzarny | check at some other location? |
| 15:11.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/41020815 |
| 15:12.16 | kerio | matches |
| 15:20.38 | KotCzarny | dmesg? |
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| 20:22.26 | Luke-Jr | my N900 seems to be failing to charge lately :/ |
| 20:22.31 | Luke-Jr | after ~40 hours, it's only up to 60% |
| 20:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash and check, or there's no problem |
| 20:26.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think you're one of those who fiddle massively with their OS. N900 is made to work with maemo, and it does |
| 20:26.32 | L29Ah | switch the battery cell |
| 20:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty much nonsense |
| 20:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | 60% are 60% (or they are bogus value) either way independant of cell |
| 20:30.05 | L29Ah | what |
| 20:30.36 | L29Ah | maybe battery is shorted |
| 20:30.54 | L29Ah | tho i should've asked for the voltage and current first |
| 20:31.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | when a cell is charged to 4.2V and draws less than Icharge-end, it's at 100% per definitionem |
| 20:31.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | when battery is shorted, it's staying at 0% |
| 20:32.04 | Wizzup | Managed to get audio on 4.1.0-rcX |
| 20:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | too low VBUS voltage from charger can cause battery never getting completely charged |
| 20:34.47 | Wizzup | http://sprunge.us/aPeU |
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| 20:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: check bq27k-detail2.sh and charge21.sh |
| 20:45.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | bq27k only the Ampere and Volt are relevant, everything else is more or less bogus |
| 20:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | charge21 should result in decent status without errorflags, and a concurrently running bq27k shall show proper charging current and voltage increase |
| 20:47.30 | L29Ah | ~bq27k-detail2.sh |
| 20:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-deatail |
| 20:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail |
| 20:48.30 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 20:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27* |
| 20:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27 is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ bq27* |
| 20:51.02 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail is also ~bq27 |
| 20:51.29 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27 is also http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/ |
| 20:53.00 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh |
| 20:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course meanwhile tested |
| 20:54.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | should be safe to charge from arbitrary USB sources |
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| 21:10.42 | freemangordon | Wizzup: what os? |
| 21:10.55 | Wizzup | freemangordon: gentoo with alsamixer |
| 21:11.01 | Wizzup | I mean, just linux 4.1.0-rc4 |
| 21:11.12 | freemangordon | n900 that is, correct? |
| 21:11.37 | freemangordon | Wizzup: ^^^ |
| 21:11.58 | Wizzup | Yes |
| 21:12.27 | freemangordon | Wizzup: vanilla or Pali's tree on github? |
| 21:13.41 | Wizzup | Pali |
| 21:14.04 | bencoh | Wizzup: audio .... just audio playback, or audio/cmtspeech ? |
| 21:18.58 | Wizzup | I am not sure if there are many differences between Pali and mainline |
| 21:19.04 | Wizzup | bencoh: cmtspeech is next target |
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| 21:26.17 | Ras_Older | o/ everyone! How are things here? |
| 21:27.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | (cmtspeech) good luck |
| 21:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi Ras_Older. Things are mostly smooth and quiet here |
| 21:29.31 | Ras_Older | I've been cracking local cybersec convention challenges lately and just cracked 2 major ones :D |
| 21:30.28 | Ras_Older | tomorrow morning (+10 hours) hitting them up physically. They started today but due to sickness I wasn't able to go there just yet. |
| 21:30.28 | Wizzup | bencoh: cmtspeech fails to modprobe atm |
| 21:31.25 | Ras_Older | Sucks to be me atm :D the last 8 weeks I've been on sickleave. |
| 21:32.29 | Ras_Older | But tomorrow I hope to make it to there (Jyväskylä Cyber Security 2015 convention) in person. |
| 21:33.55 | Ras_Older | Yeah totally untopic but things have been rather quiet here lately so :D |
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