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| 01:09.04 | Maxdamantus | Hm. Does Opera try to hide the fact that their "Mini" browsers always use a proxy? |
| 01:09.16 | Maxdamantus | can't find any mention of something like that in the UI. |
| 01:11.12 | Maxdamantus | wonders what their business model is. |
| 01:12.17 | totalizator | US news headlines FTW: "Calif. deputy shoots at driver from helicopter; suspect dead" |
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| 01:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hooray |
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| 02:00.08 | ds3 | selling information? :D |
| 02:19.51 | Maxdamantus | Apparently phone manufacturers pay them to be able to include Opera Mini in their OSes. |
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| 04:02.19 | Maxdamantus | [max@jove (~/build/gecko-dev)]$ git rev-list HEAD | while read x; do echo "$x $(diff /tmp/geckotarget <(git cat-file -p "$x"^{tree}:./js/src) | wc -l)"; done >microb-find |
| 04:03.09 | Maxdamantus | vaguely remembers seeing a post on TMO about finding the commit for the microb xulrunner tree. |
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| 04:37.53 | Maxdamantus | Apparently that doesn't workâlooks like there's additional licensing stuff added everywhere. |
| 04:44.08 | Maxdamantus | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94107&page=7 |
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| 06:06.29 | KotCzarny | Maxdamantus: could be included in opera license agreement |
| 06:06.59 | KotCzarny | (information about proxy) |
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| 06:30.47 | Maxdamantus | Hm, so there's already a wiki entry for this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_on_Debian |
| 06:31.53 | Maxdamantus | Though that maemory.com domain doesn't seem to exist anymore. |
| 06:32.15 | Maxdamantus | last edited in 2011. |
| 06:32.34 | KotCzarny | most activity related to n900 ended in 2011 |
| 06:38.02 | Maxdamantus | wonders what people are intending to run on their Neo900s then. |
| 06:38.24 | KotCzarny | firefox, most likely |
| 06:38.34 | Maxdamantus | FirefoxOS? |
| 06:38.35 | KotCzarny | 1gb should be enough finally |
| 06:39.03 | KotCzarny | as for os i dont know, just saying what i would use |
| 06:41.03 | KotCzarny | and if it will be as open as they plan, you could just run any linux distro |
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| 06:41.45 | Maxdamantus | You can probably already do that on the N900. |
| 06:41.50 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 06:42.14 | KotCzarny | unless you accept loss of cellular and some other things |
| 06:42.31 | Maxdamantus | I suspect that'd work atm as long as you stick to the same old kernel. |
| 06:42.51 | Maxdamantus | just using ofonod or fso, and whatever software works on top of that. |
| 06:44.06 | Maxdamantus | I was able to boot a fairly plain Debian install with a 3.14 kernel and send/receive SMS using ofonod. |
| 06:44.20 | Maxdamantus | (just using the example scripts) |
| 06:44.51 | Maxdamantus | could probably do the same thing with the old kernel and also get speech. |
| 06:44.52 | KotCzarny | many tried, no one reported full functionality success |
| 06:46.55 | Maxdamantus | wants a second device to try stuff out on : |
| 06:47.13 | Maxdamantus | maybe I should just buy one off ebay rather than waiting for one to appear on the local thing. |
| 06:47.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:47.28 | KotCzarny | ebay is a bit pricey |
| 06:47.47 | KotCzarny | shipping kills the price |
| 06:48.01 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, iirc shipping was a significant part of the price last time. |
| 06:48.18 | KotCzarny | if you manage find one from your country it will be good |
| 06:50.17 | KotCzarny | most '100% working' local offers in pl go for ~50eur |
| 06:50.29 | KotCzarny | (that including shipping) |
| 06:51.26 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, seems to be a bit cheaper than that here. |
| 06:51.42 | Maxdamantus | but not a very big sample (have seen three past sales) |
| 06:52.22 | KotCzarny | you can of course hit some occasion, i got fully working n900 (- magnet in the cover) for ~15eur) |
| 06:56.58 | Maxdamantus | There's an N9 at least for NZ$110 (â¬63), which might be interesting to experiment with (and possibly substitute as a phone occasionally) |
| 06:57.36 | Maxdamantus | âHas multiple scratches on the screen and body, when screen is going it looks fine. â |
| 06:58.16 | KotCzarny | dont know n9 usual fails, for n900 its either bad screen, usb port or modem chip |
| 06:59.06 | Maxdamantus | It has a bit of plastic around the phone jack missing, which I've read other people referring to. |
| 06:59.16 | Maxdamantus | but that's not a component failure. |
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| 07:41.48 | Maxdamantus | (that 3.14 kernel I mentioned was built from Linus' tree btw, not one of the separate n900-related repositories) |
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| 09:01.05 | Maxdamantus | Bah. Whenever I try something like conkeror/firefox from a normal Debian chroot, I'm reminded how much better the fonts can be. |
| 09:01.26 | Maxdamantus | Stupid people doing stupid thing to degrade typographical experience. |
| 09:02.15 | Maxdamantus | I don't usually notice on the N900 because the resolution is far greater than any other display I frequently use, but proper font rendering makes a massive difference. |
| 09:02.47 | Maxdamantus | proper = minimal antialiasing, more hinting |
| 09:13.07 | KotCzarny | upgrade font lib? |
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| 09:15.31 | Maxdamantus | It's not really a matter of upgrading. |
| 09:17.05 | Maxdamantus | But it might involve replacing the freetype build with one with different compilation options, not sure. |
| 09:19.20 | KotCzarny | how's that different from upgrading font lib? |
| 09:21.03 | Maxdamantus | It would be the same version of the library. |
| 09:21.15 | KotCzarny | but with better features |
| 09:21.30 | KotCzarny | so inferior -> superior |
| 09:22.00 | KotCzarny | anyway, freetype is open source which means its doable (unless they did bad things to it) |
| 09:26.57 | Maxdamantus | http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/a.png http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/b.png http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/c.png |
| 09:27.09 | Maxdamantus | (those are three different links) |
| 09:27.46 | kerio | what's the first browser? |
| 09:27.58 | KotCzarny | conqueror |
| 09:28.03 | KotCzarny | konqueror |
| 09:28.16 | KotCzarny | kde's default one |
| 09:28.52 | Maxdamantus | No, conkeror. |
| 09:28.56 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 09:29.01 | Maxdamantus | not related to konqueror. |
| 09:29.14 | KotCzarny | never heard of it |
| 09:29.17 | bencoh | :) |
| 09:29.25 | Maxdamantus | the second one is also conkeror, but using microb-xulrunner. |
| 09:30.00 | KotCzarny | does it run well on n900? |
| 09:30.23 | Maxdamantus | With microb-xulrunner it seems to run quite smoothly. |
| 09:31.12 | Maxdamantus | but it's buggy, possibly to do with an extra script I wrote to do grab scrolling. |
| 09:31.53 | Maxdamantus | (doesn't produce the same bugs as when run using a iceweasel from wheezy) |
| 09:32.24 | Maxdamantus | Dunno what the differences are. |
| 09:32.56 | Maxdamantus | might be graphics libraries. |
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| 10:18.38 | Maxdamantus | Ah, right. 2010 was before anyone was allowed to use the hinting information from TTFs. |
| 10:18.46 | Maxdamantus | well, 2009. |
| 10:18.54 | Maxdamantus | so it's stuck with autohinting, which sucks. |
| 10:19.19 | KotCzarny | which means i was right, upgrade |
| 10:19.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:19.32 | Maxdamantus | Well, the codebase has the option, but it's disabled by a define, because it would probably have been illegal do distribute the binaries otherwise. |
| 10:19.40 | Maxdamantus | No, just need to change that option. |
| 10:19.50 | Humpelstilzchen | so we can just rebuild? |
| 10:20.04 | KotCzarny | shuldnt hurt to bump the version tho |
| 10:20.15 | KotCzarny | to get all the hinting improvements |
| 10:20.16 | Humpelstilzchen | you can't bump the version |
| 10:20.36 | KotCzarny | i meant, to compile newer version |
| 10:20.37 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 10:20.44 | Humpelstilzchen | KotCzarny: you will use the 3d driver |
| 10:20.55 | Humpelstilzchen | *loose |
| 10:21.06 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 10:21.17 | KotCzarny | freetype uses 3d? |
| 10:21.23 | Humpelstilzchen | x11? |
| 10:21.46 | Maxdamantus | WE CAN REBUILD IT |
| 10:21.54 | Maxdamantus | Well, I'm seeing if it works now, hang on. |
| 10:36.52 | Maxdamantus | Hm. Didn't seem to do anything. |
| 10:37.06 | KotCzarny | needsconfig/reboot? |
| 10:37.21 | Maxdamantus | Maybe the define is overridden somewhere else. |
| 10:40.22 | qknight | hey. http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/NokiaN900/InstallGuide <- how to compile the dov4l2 binary? |
| 10:46.18 | KotCzarny | is it me or its not maemo related at all? |
| 10:46.25 | KotCzarny | ie.different os |
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| 10:49.04 | qknight | hm. for the nokia n900 phone i need it |
| 10:50.19 | KotCzarny | you need build env for that os, it calls: |
| 10:50.26 | KotCzarny | #source the devshell |
| 10:50.26 | KotCzarny | oe_runmake |
| 10:50.26 | KotCzarny | scp dov4l2 root@192.168.0.202: |
| 10:50.56 | KotCzarny | so to get help i would ask that guide author |
| 10:51.34 | KotCzarny | or shr people in general |
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| 11:07.52 | KotCzarny | nice, n900 can be used as a luxometer |
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| 11:20.46 | Maxdamantus | http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/1.png |
| 11:21.06 | KotCzarny | missing 'before' pic |
| 11:21.08 | Maxdamantus | Should've tried it before, but that's what it notes looks like with freetype 2.4.9 |
| 11:21.31 | Maxdamantus | xulrunner is still bad though. |
| 11:23.14 | Maxdamantus | I was wondering if the gecko in microb did something weird with the font rendering to enable zoom to work properly. |
| 11:23.42 | Maxdamantus | because proper zoom doesn't work with proper font rendering, and microb has proper zoom iirc |
| 11:23.44 | KotCzarny | check with ldd what it uses? |
| 11:25.02 | Maxdamantus | -bash-2.05b$ cat /proc/1606/maps | grep freetype |
| 11:25.02 | Maxdamantus | 41428000-4147c000 r-xp 00000000 b3:02 1030338 /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6.8.1 |
| 11:25.16 | Maxdamantus | Probably more reliable than ldd. |
| 11:25.37 | Maxdamantus | but it could also have something statically linked in. |
| 11:25.40 | Maxdamantus | unlikely. |
| 11:25.59 | KotCzarny | apps can config freetype on runtime? |
| 11:26.10 | Maxdamantus | What do you mean by "config"? |
| 11:26.15 | Maxdamantus | freetype is a versatile library. |
| 11:26.40 | KotCzarny | i mean for example enable/disable hinting or subpixel rendering |
| 11:26.42 | Maxdamantus | You can use it to rasterise glyphs or extract vectors from them, etc |
| 11:27.04 | Maxdamantus | If something is creating something zoomable, you'd probably get the vectors. |
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| 11:30.50 | Maxdamantus | It renders nicely in Chromium if I force DJS with ~/.fonts.conf |
| 11:31.19 | Maxdamantus | (not in conkeror/xulrunner, though it does still use DJS) |
| 11:31.38 | KotCzarny | look for FT_Load_Glyph in source code then compare flags? |
| 11:32.07 | Maxdamantus | Flags? afk a bit |
| 11:32.17 | KotCzarny | for example FT_LOAD_FORCE_AUTOHINT |
| 11:32.26 | KotCzarny | and similar |
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| 12:42.28 | Maxdamantus | Woah, this happened: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/3/21/155 |
| 12:43.10 | Maxdamantus | So I guess you can make phonecalls now using a kernel from Linus' repository. |
| 12:43.16 | KotCzarny | cool |
| 13:01.35 | Sicelo | Maxdamantus: no |
| 13:02.18 | Maxdamantus | Hm, no? |
| 13:03.29 | Sicelo | something else was still missing ..forgot what it is. haven't spoken to sre in a bit now |
| 13:04.39 | Sicelo | contact him via Jabber .. he's communicatiove |
| 13:04.42 | Sicelo | -o |
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| 15:26.15 | Sicelo | google maps are good. here maps rock (at least for south africa/swaziland) |
| 15:26.56 | Sicelo | with google maps i'll likely be lost most of the time (unless i'm in big towns or close to them) |
| 15:27.27 | KotCzarny | while you are at that topic, did you use nokia maps that come preloaded on n900? |
| 15:27.36 | KotCzarny | are they still valid/working? |
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| 15:29.40 | Sicelo | yes, they are the only maps i use |
| 15:29.54 | Sicelo | to updated them you need windows however |
| 15:30.03 | Wizzup | you can update the maps using windows? |
| 15:30.14 | KotCzarny | hum, so they aren't working out of the box ? |
| 15:30.14 | Wizzup | TIL |
| 15:30.16 | Sicelo | yes .. Ovi Suite |
| 15:30.42 | Sicelo | they should be working .. problem is that nokia maps looks for the maps in old location, which changed |
| 15:30.50 | Sicelo | ovi suite uses the new URL |
| 15:31.12 | KotCzarny | hum, yes, i've noticed they didnt fetch any map data |
| 15:31.51 | Sicelo | weird thing though .. location widget and location-test-gui fetch map data just fine, from here.com |
| 15:32.35 | Sicelo | i've run "strings" on the nokia maps binary and couldnt see any interesting URLs there .. had hoped to hex-edit the whole thing :p |
| 15:33.10 | Wizzup | probably a config file ven? |
| 15:33.13 | Wizzup | file even* |
| 15:33.24 | Sicelo | perhaps someone else can look :) |
| 15:33.50 | Sicelo | i didnt' get it .. will try other locations |
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| 15:34.15 | KotCzarny | maybe gconf |
| 15:34.20 | Wizzup | grep -r ? ;) |
| 15:34.22 | KotCzarny | grep all /home |
| 15:35.18 | Sicelo | will try again |
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| 16:51.52 | Sicelo | tried (again) to fool N900 through /etc/hosts ... seems N900 makes "bad request" :( |
| 16:52.15 | KotCzarny | means params/link have changed |
| 16:53.06 | KotCzarny | try urlsnarf |
| 16:53.45 | Sicelo | going to have more info than wireshark? |
| 16:54.05 | KotCzarny | havent tried wireshark |
| 16:54.18 | KotCzarny | does wireshark get urls? |
| 16:54.35 | Sicelo | in the meantime, i think we have better chances trying to get the url which is used by Nokia Suite, and then we can download ourselves :) |
| 16:55.03 | Sicelo | which is how most of us Linux users have mostly been getting maps on N900 even when map download was working properly |
| 16:55.31 | KotCzarny | but this is hit and run game |
| 16:56.33 | Sicelo | why? |
| 16:57.04 | KotCzarny | because it can change at any time, and without vendor support there is no guarantee how long it would work |
| 16:58.35 | Sicelo | yes, that's the fun of it (think yappari) ;) |
| 16:58.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:59.22 | Sicelo | i don't know how other Nokia phones fare with regard to maps .. any with lifetime maps, besides the N9? |
| 16:59.24 | KotCzarny | i think its not fun anymore for ceene ;) |
| 17:00.52 | KotCzarny | anyway, it's so fun to have more than one n900, i can finally hack and slash the fs as much as i wanted |
| 17:01.02 | Sicelo | how is it going? |
| 17:01.15 | KotCzarny | right now preparing base setup |
| 17:01.23 | Sicelo | image? |
| 17:02.01 | KotCzarny | which means pr1.3.1+cssu-thumb with removed unneeded apps (*-installers, cherry, etc) and with few packages installed |
| 17:02.11 | KotCzarny | more like installer |
| 17:02.18 | Sicelo | ah, i see |
| 17:02.36 | KotCzarny | backup menu does similar thing |
| 17:03.26 | KotCzarny | but i would target one-fs setup, which means non-standard way of mounts |
| 17:05.58 | Sicelo | btw, re: maps .. satellite view still downloads maps fine on N900 |
| 17:07.45 | KotCzarny | mmm, oscp rocks on n900 |
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| 17:28.34 | KotCzarny | hmm, which app added reboot to powermenu? |
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| 17:42.32 | Luke-Jr | hmm, my USB stick SoC is faster than N900 :x |
| 17:43.14 | KotCzarny | life |
| 17:43.27 | KotCzarny | zx81 was fun in its day |
| 17:44.35 | bencoh | :)) |
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| 17:48.36 | buZz | Luke-Jr: a rockbox ? which chip |
| 17:49.02 | Luke-Jr | buZz: no, USB Armory |
| 17:49.11 | buZz | i think i have a RK3066 somewhere |
| 17:49.27 | Luke-Jr | Freescale i.MX53 ARM® Cortexâ¢-A8 800MHz |
| 17:49.42 | Luke-Jr | https://www.crowdsupply.com/img/5601/usb-armory-front-back-2_png_project-body.jpg |
| 17:49.54 | KotCzarny | luke, now the question is, can you ssh into it? |
| 17:50.02 | KotCzarny | otherwise it doesnt count ;) |
| 17:50.11 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: of course |
| 17:50.18 | Luke-Jr | it's just a regular linux box |
| 17:50.28 | KotCzarny | cool |
| 17:50.32 | buZz | yeah pretty cool device |
| 17:50.36 | buZz | but >100 usd, isnt it? |
| 17:50.40 | Luke-Jr | probably |
| 17:50.45 | Luke-Jr | N900 is too :P |
| 17:50.50 | buZz | nope |
| 17:50.55 | buZz | 50 eu here on market |
| 17:50.55 | Luke-Jr | ? |
| 17:50.57 | Luke-Jr | wow |
| 17:51.00 | buZz | its cheaper than n800/n810 |
| 17:51.00 | KotCzarny | i bought n900 for ~15eur |
| 17:51.03 | KotCzarny | fully functional |
| 17:51.06 | Luke-Jr | new or used? |
| 17:51.13 | KotCzarny | and other for ~25eur |
| 17:51.14 | buZz | cant find them new |
| 17:51.26 | Luke-Jr | like new or clearly used? :P |
| 17:51.43 | KotCzarny | used |
| 17:51.44 | buZz | somewhere between those two extremes |
| 17:52.40 | KotCzarny | battery is quite strong too |
| 17:52.53 | KotCzarny | even has clock bupbat working |
| 17:53.08 | buZz | i bought a used original battery for my n800 |
| 17:53.17 | buZz | 3 usd incl shipping :) works a treat |
| 17:53.18 | KotCzarny | (my main n900 which is in much better cosmetical condition has bupbat dead) |
| 17:53.50 | KotCzarny | so i guess 15eur for 32mb of storage + other functionality isnt bad deal |
| 17:53.57 | KotCzarny | i mean 32GB |
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| 18:44.08 | KotCzarny | sicelo: /usr/share/nokia-maps |
| 18:44.17 | KotCzarny | mwconfig is password protected zip archive |
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| 18:55.29 | Sicelo | possibly hiding there .. everything else doesn't have the address linux.s2g.gate5.de |
| 18:56.26 | KotCzarny | that .de address could be simply final one, could be intermediate load balancer somewhere too |
| 18:56.55 | Sicelo | the problems servers are rev.linux.s2g.gate5.de and ver.linux.s2g.gate5.de which Ovi Maps tries to contact. in addition, it tries to contact download.linux.s2g.gate5.de (which it can do so successfully) |
| 18:57.28 | Sicelo | g2g now however .. someone should try crack the mwconfig hten ;) |
| 18:57.31 | Sicelo | *tehn |
| 18:57.50 | KotCzarny | im running fzipcrack, but my laptop is single core 1.2ghz ;) |
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| 18:58.36 | Sicelo | cool. maybe you get something |
| 19:00.21 | Sicelo | but even when we can change the string .. question will be .. to what? |
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| 19:04.11 | KotCzarny | or just grab nokia map loader |
| 19:04.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:11.37 | KotCzarny | http://www.anvo-it.de/wiki/avmapsloader:main |
| 19:13.59 | KotCzarny | i wonder which format n900 uses |
| 19:22.00 | KotCzarny | sicelo: www.blog.d-11.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/download_ovi-maps.sh.tar.gz |
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| 19:28.25 | KotCzarny | bash + wget required but otherwise you can even run it on device itself |
| 19:28.32 | KotCzarny | 16GB for the whole thing |
| 19:35.47 | KotCzarny | and www.blog.d-11.de/2011/03/22/nokia-ovi-maps-3-0-0-1-25-114-direct-downloadlinks-und-downloadscript-for-maemo-n900-without-using-map-loader/ |
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| 20:03.33 | KotCzarny | perl-base - The Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister. |
| 20:03.35 | KotCzarny | o.O |
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| 21:37.11 | ceene | well |
| 21:37.20 | ceene | yappari 2.0.21 is out |
| 21:37.53 | ceene | except for implementing textsecure, i don't see any other way of making it behave more like S40 official version |
| 21:38.22 | ceene | protocol wise, of course, there's still missing functionality and all that |
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| 22:01.10 | Sicelo | ceene: \m/ |
| 22:01.44 | Sicelo | looks for the changelog |
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