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| 02:23.59 | Maxdamantus | Mm .. running Xorg from debian on the normal maemo (well, power something) kernel. |
| 02:24.25 | Maxdamantus | though having to use x2x with my main computer, since it apparently doesn't have the touchscreen/keyboard drivers. |
| 02:24.34 | Maxdamantus | iirc, it has the drivers required for 3.xx |
| 02:27.07 | Maxdamantus | wonders why chromium keeps making his cursor disappear. |
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| 02:29.40 | Maxdamantus | Hm. Looks like it has some graphical acceleration. |
| 02:31.32 | Maxdamantus | At least, it's able to play http://www.recsource.tv/r/ifkawurjgb at nearly full screen at maybe 10 fps. |
| 02:32.08 | Maxdamantus | will try it again on the normal maemo Xorg soon. |
| 03:05.33 | Maxdamantus | Ah yeah, it's about the same normally. |
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| 05:12.24 | KotCzarny | hmm, clean flash, trying to install cssu-thumb fails |
| 05:12.31 | KotCzarny | do i have to install normal cssu first? |
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| 05:52.40 | Maxdamantus | likes this comment in /usr/sbin/umountfs: |
| 05:52.40 | Maxdamantus | # Note: please do not whine, whole thing is still a temp hack. |
| 05:52.58 | Maxdamantus | Probably explains why my ext3 filesystem is never unmounted. |
| 05:53.06 | Maxdamantus | well, was. |
| 05:53.25 | Maxdamantus | has now added some sysrq-trigger hacks around it that should try to force unmount it. |
| 05:54.10 | Maxdamantus | (unmounting isn't that important with log-based filesystems like ubifs) |
| 05:54.39 | Maxdamantus | .. or btrfs. |
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| 11:06.29 | KotCzarny | ~flatbat |
| 11:06.33 | KotCzarny | ~ping |
| 11:06.33 | infobot | 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss |
| 11:06.40 | KotCzarny | ~flatbatrecover |
| 11:06.40 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) |
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| 11:41.08 | KotCzarny | funnily it doesnt even want to show for flasher to boot |
| 11:47.53 | Maxdamantus | ~ping -c 42 |
| 11:47.54 | infobot | pong -c 42 |
| 11:49.01 | Maxdamantus | show what where? |
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| 12:34.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
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| 12:40.20 | KotCzarny | maxd: show that flatbatted n900 on thinkpad for flasher-3.5 booting |
| 12:42.30 | Maxdamantus | Doesn't it have to get to the point where it can try to boot before doing that? |
| 12:42.42 | Maxdamantus | ie, where it shows the Nokia logo or something |
| 12:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* of course |
| 12:42.57 | KotCzarny | yes, it was showing nokia logo |
| 12:43.11 | KotCzarny | but in dmesg it was showing as rom nokia then as mass storage |
| 12:43.14 | KotCzarny | even when holding u |
| 12:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bootloop |
| 12:44.00 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
| 12:44.08 | KotCzarny | nope, rootfs is good |
| 12:44.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 12:44.29 | KotCzarny | (because it booted when i charged the battery in different device with different charger) |
| 12:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | knew it was a bad idea to answer |
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| 12:45.57 | KotCzarny | i mean, booted when charged battery for 10 min then swapped back into this n900 |
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| 12:46.09 | KotCzarny | and its charging normally now (also booted) |
| 12:47.12 | KotCzarny | offtopic, free red alert game on origin (if someone still remembers that) |
| 12:53.53 | Maxdamantus | Is that UMS from the bootloader (NOLO?)? |
| 12:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 13:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOLO either reports 'Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode)', 'New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0105' and stays on USB logo NOKIA screen when holding 'U', or it decides that battery is too low for flashing and goes straight to booting linux/maemo to charge battery |
| 13:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | refer http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/ http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=Joerg+rw&to=Joerg+rx&namespace=2 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/PC_syslog_of_USB_enum |
| 13:06.00 | Maxdamantus | is that part of this "ACT_DEAD" state? |
| 13:06.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | read the comment |
| 13:06.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it is |
| 13:07.00 | buZz | lol BL-5J |
| 13:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | though maybe only for me since I might have changed some sysconfig vars regarding what's active in ACT_DEAD |
| 13:07.09 | buZz | nice going on not making that bootloop entry universal :D |
| 13:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 13:07.18 | buZz | ;) |
| 13:07.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry you lost me |
| 13:08.00 | buZz | thats ok |
| 13:08.21 | buZz | i was commenting on that -maemo- has no dependancy on the 'BL-5J' battery |
| 13:08.40 | buZz | so it does not make sense to make common knowledge base entries suggest that :D |
| 13:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | you still lost me. How could an OS have a dependency on a battery? |
| 13:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and wtf is a "common knowledge base entry"? |
| 13:09.47 | buZz | ~bootloop |
| 13:09.47 | infobot | well, bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
| 13:10.11 | buZz | as far as i can tell, this applies to N700, N800 and N810 aswell |
| 13:10.18 | buZz | which dont have a BL-5J |
| 13:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 13:11.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | N810 for exanple boots from external charger |
| 13:11.23 | buZz | N800 doesnt have a rootfs? :D |
| 13:11.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 13:11.33 | buZz | ah, so bootloop only applies to N900? |
| 13:11.43 | buZz | maybe that entry should reflect that then ;) |
| 13:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you want to open a channel #maemo-diablo then? |
| 13:12.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~chaninfo |
| 13:12.49 | infobot | 123/123 channels, 4606 users, 3521 unique: #debian/1667, #kde/450, #gsoc/271, #asterisk/206, #maemo/187, #oe/138, #wowuidev/137, #wowace/92, #neo900/84, #cubieboard/79, #utah/78, #harmattan/64, #meego/59, #wowhead/56, #openmoko/54, #bzflag/52, #arm-netbook/49, #qi-hardware/48, #asterisk-dev/48, #webos-internals/46, #maemo-ssu/46, #openmoko-cdevel/44, #curseforge/42, #elinux/32, #uphpu/25, #slug/24, #sc2mapster/24, #gllug/22, #debianppc/21, ... |
| 13:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal bootloop |
| 13:13.02 | infobot | "#maemo bootloop" is "when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device." |
| 13:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo #maemo bootloop |
| 13:13.15 | infobot | #maemo bootloop -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Oct 3 14:52:17 2013 (715 days); last modified at Sat Dec 7 00:45:24 2013 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 22 times, last by buZz, 3m 28s ago. |
| 13:13.38 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: what for? |
| 13:13.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | how can I help you? |
| 13:14.07 | buZz | ? |
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| 13:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo-diablo bootloop is <reply>No tested facts on that. However user buZz insisted that ~#maemo bootloop doesn't apply here since N810 has no BL-5J |
| 13:19.40 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:21.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | let me know when you have a #maemo-diablo channel and want infobot join it, with searchorder 'factoidSearch => $chan _default' |
| 13:27.39 | buZz | is pretty offended by your 'divide and conquer' angle |
| 13:28.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | is pretty pissed why peole think he should fix stuff for them |
| 13:29.29 | buZz | i -didnt- think that |
| 13:29.39 | buZz | YOU assumed so |
| 13:29.56 | buZz | its cute you have helpdesk genes, but plz dont force them upon ppl |
| 13:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | *plonk* |
| 13:32.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | listen buddy! I created that factoid as you can see above. You criticized it. You're free to fix the factoid by yourself if you have a really better idea that also fits into the limitations of that system |
| 13:35.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | a "LOL" and criticism on something I created and then feeling *offended* when I suggest a solution (though admittedly tongue in cheek) while you could have done any improvement by yourself instead of going "LOL", that's pretty childish |
| 13:36.33 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: sorry that your actions have responses |
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| 13:36.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're trying to be an asshat, right? |
| 13:37.44 | buZz | done, welcome to my /ignore |
| 13:37.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | how about you rather contribute *constructively* instead of doing your trolling |
| 13:39.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, /ignore works too. You don't need to see the truth about your actions |
| 13:42.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders how people come to think infobot was maemo specific or would hold any such thing like "common knowledge base entries" they need to criticize instead of simply fixing them |
| 13:43.53 | KotCzarny | hidden context |
| 13:44.57 | KotCzarny | human's thinking process is programmed to assume things and fill gaps |
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| 13:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit that though this channel is #maemo, it chengd a bit during last 5 years so now you very likely get a maemo-fremantle specific anser in here to any generic maemo related question |
| 13:52.38 | KotCzarny | thats assuming, but usually people say which device they have |
| 13:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to discuss N8x0 or Nokia 700 specific topics, you need to clearly specify so |
| 13:54.54 | KotCzarny | nokia 770 |
| 13:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | 770 |
| 13:57.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing (only tested on N900). E.g. using ~rescueOS (only known for N900). Or external charger or battery compatible other device.<< sounds great! |
| 13:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas won't fit into factoid reply string max length |
| 14:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, freenode MAXLENGTH |
| 14:18.42 | joga | /run splitlong ? :p |
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| 15:12.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it's generally appreciated when a bot floods channels with oversized multiline posts |
| 15:14.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | the bot itself has a max length for factoid content, but freenode's MAXSIZE is even yet a tad shorter still |
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| 15:17.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually there's no such thing like MAXSIZE in freenode's log in info, so I dunno where from it comes |
| 15:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | or MAXLENGTH |
| 15:19.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | NICKLEN=16 CHANNELLEN=50 TOPICLEN=390 CHANLIMIT=#:120 MAXLIST=bqeI:100 |
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| 15:23.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | rotfl at channames with 50 or more chars. ##################################################################### |
| 15:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | 50 actually ################################################## |
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| 18:03.24 | KotCzarny | synaptic looks funny on n900's screen |
| 18:03.51 | KotCzarny | is quite fast tho |
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| 18:50.32 | Vajb | just a thought for long answers from infobot. Why not to query them? |
| 18:53.14 | KotCzarny | would require specifying target nick |
| 18:57.24 | Vajb | target would be the one asking, right? |
| 18:58.49 | KotCzarny | no, imagine you wanted to help someone |
| 19:00.21 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: faster than apt? |
| 19:00.57 | KotCzarny | sicelo, dont know if it uses apt commands or just apt-lib |
| 19:01.44 | KotCzarny | but fast when displaying lists, also has many filters (ie. you can display removed packages with residual content etc) |
| 19:10.12 | KotCzarny | if you want to check it i can give you package |
| 19:12.27 | KotCzarny | but it builds without any problem |
| 19:12.29 | Sicelo | :) |
| 19:12.32 | Sicelo | no thanks |
| 19:12.45 | KotCzarny | you will need to hack gtkrc a bit to make it more readable (small screen) |
| 19:12.48 | Sicelo | i think it has also existed in repos, hasn't it? |
| 19:12.53 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 19:13.01 | KotCzarny | no one bothered apparently |
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| 19:13.23 | KotCzarny | have you ever used synaptic? |
| 19:13.24 | Sicelo | hmm, i seem to remember seing it |
| 19:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell Vajb about flashing |
| 19:13.47 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: i use debian (since 5.0) so the answer is definitely a yes |
| 19:14.14 | KotCzarny | sicelo: for me, synaptic is one of the best dpkg/apt frontends |
| 19:14.39 | KotCzarny | for maemo it would require some ui changes, though still is nice |
| 19:14.43 | Vajb | so it already does that if asked |
| 19:15.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: simple answer: there are no long answers from infobot since they would be useless for the standard usecase of bot: in channel factoid query |
| 19:16.00 | Sicelo | $ apt-cache policy synaptic |
| 19:16.15 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.15 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.15 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.15 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.22 | KotCzarny | non-free? |
| 19:16.22 | Sicelo | non-free??? |
| 19:16.24 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 19:16.29 | Sicelo | very strange |
| 19:16.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: try ~help |
| 19:16.49 | Vajb | ~help |
| 19:18.00 | Vajb | it got loads of features |
| 19:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: please do me a favor and try ~+help, I want to find out if that's a privileged command |
| 19:18.45 | Vajb | ~+help |
| 19:18.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously not :-) thanks Vajb |
| 19:19.15 | Vajb | np :) |
| 19:19.22 | Vajb | off to sleep now |
| 19:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 |
| 19:21.32 | KotCzarny | sicelo, maybe uploader didnt know how to build package through autobuilder |
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| 19:22.51 | Sicelo | um, i was about to agree with you .. but checked who that was |
| 19:22.57 | KotCzarny | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synaptic/ |
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| 19:24.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rot13 LOTS OF FEATURES |
| 19:24.23 | infobot | YBGF BS SRNGHERF |
| 19:24.25 | Sicelo | MAG is/was the maintainer .. so definitely not a case of not knowing autobuilder |
| 19:24.32 | Sicelo | more likely human mistake :/ |
| 19:25.02 | KotCzarny | i mean, it could have given problems to autobuilder |
| 19:25.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help math |
| 19:25.15 | KotCzarny | some deps or build errors |
| 19:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~25! |
| 19:26.31 | infobot | 25! is, like, 15,511,210,043,330,985,984,000,000 |
| 19:26.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | cheating ;-) |
| 19:27.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo 25! |
| 19:27.21 | infobot | 25! -- created by localhost <root@a1-3c045.neo.rr.com> at Tue Oct 30 14:25:27 2001 (5072 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 50s ago. |
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| 19:30.16 | kerio | ~35! |
| 19:30.16 | infobot | 35! is, like, 10,333,147,966,386,144,929,666,651,337,523,200,000,000 |
| 19:30.17 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/packages/view/synaptic/ |
| 19:30.22 | kerio | ~720! |
| 19:30.27 | KotCzarny | apparently he tried building and it failed |
| 19:30.29 | kerio | rip infobot |
| 19:31.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks infobot |
| 19:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks apt |
| 19:31.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks purl |
| 19:31.23 | infobot | sure thing, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 19:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~uptime |
| 19:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
| 19:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | better freenode weather back in the 2009,2010s, less nasty netsplits |
| 19:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw took me quite long to understand that are the top 3 uptimes, not the last 3 |
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| 19:44.33 | qknight | hey. i have a n900 and i want to install gst-launcher, the problem is that downloads.maemo.nokia.com is not there anymore. is there still hope? |
| 19:44.46 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 19:44.47 | infobot | from memory, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 19:45.09 | KotCzarny | unofficial mirrors are there |
| 20:05.00 | qknight | cool! got gstreamer-tools now installed! thanks a lot |
| 20:14.28 | totalizator | oh lel http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/09/19/1731242/crash-chrome-with-16-characters?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter |
| 20:19.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:56.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
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