IRC log for #maemo on 20150912

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00:15.18MaxdamantusActually, that figure might be wrong, depending on how the bq272 thing works.
00:18.14MaxdamantusIf it says it's charged, is it actually charged?
00:19.40Maxdamantussuspects so, since it's meant to determine capacity from that state.
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02:23.43MaxdamantusOkay, after charging one battery and swapping that with an almost-empty one (no reboot) and letting it discharge for a minute, it indicates that it's still charging (but says 100%) a few minutes after plugging it back in.
02:24.17Maxdamantusso the (binary) charged status is probably accurate.
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02:57.25Maxdamantuswonders what'll happen when he does it the other way round.
02:58.05Maxdamantussuspects it'll jump to 100% at some point.
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03:40.38MaxdamantusIndeed, just jumped from 76% to 100%.
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06:34.01KotCzarnyheh
06:34.03KotCzarnyim addicted
06:34.07KotCzarnyjust got another n900
06:34.09KotCzarnyfor 15$
06:34.24KotCzarnya bit beaten but seems working
06:35.37KotCzarny~flashing
06:35.37infobotmaemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
06:35.45KotCzarny~combined
06:35.45infobotrumour has it, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
06:37.36KotCzarny~flasher
06:37.36infoboti guess flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
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07:14.28Maxdamantuswill probably buy a second one when/if one appears on his country's local site for that sort of thing.
07:14.59Maxdamantusit looks like one might appear every month or two, but I haven't been actively looking.
07:22.41KotCzarnymaxd: i'm getting ones just from such site
07:23.31MaxdamantusI just added an email alert thing for them earlier today.
07:23.38KotCzarny:)
07:23.57Maxdamantusthe expired listings showed one sold in apparently fairly good condition about a month ago.
07:24.27KotCzarnysomehow in poland there are more n900s for sale than on ebay
07:25.05MaxdamantusI also happen to have saved the webpage for the previous sale of that device.
07:25.35Maxdamantusin December or January .. so the guy who bought it there was the one that sold it a month ago.
07:25.41KotCzarny:)
07:26.13Maxdamantusbut in December and January I was unemployed, so ..
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07:27.46KotCzarnyput some cash in a sealed envelope just for such occasion?
07:28.57Maxdamantuswhich one? unemployment, or N900 availability?
07:29.15KotCzarnynow that you mentioned, both
07:29.24KotCzarnytwo envelopes then
07:30.24MaxdamantusWell, I don't think I usually spend a lot anyway, so leaving it in the bank would be about as effective.
07:35.59KotCzarnywow, john decoded pass in less than 0.1s
07:38.29KotCzarnymodem seems to be f*cked up. still, for a 15usd it will make great dev device
07:44.49KotCzarnyalso, this one also has 'device on' notification enabled
07:44.54KotCzarnywonder if its default?
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08:24.21ceenei don't think that's the default
08:24.39ceenelet's see what people talk about on the yapari thread today...
08:24.47ceenehow many more banned people are there going to be?
08:25.09KotCzarnyit was on on 2 devices, so might be, gonna flash it and i'll check the checbox
08:25.18ceeneat least i don't have to pay one cent to each banned person...
08:25.36ceenethat's strange, but it may be
08:25.44ceenei don't want a permanentely on light
08:25.47ceenebut to each its own
08:26.18KotCzarnyits not permanent
08:26.21KotCzarny1/10 of the time
08:26.50KotCzarny~vanilla
08:26.51infobotmethinks vanilla is just plain old up & down & up & down & up & down & up & down & ooooh!, or the finest of the flavors
08:26.54KotCzarnyhmm
08:27.14KotCzarnydoes combined contain vanilla?
08:27.27ceenei should think so
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08:36.00KotCzarnyn900 in idle without gsm/wifi takes about 5.4mA
08:36.51KotCzarnyale przy odeslaniu od razu nie trzeba
08:37.00Sicelothat's about right .. i think i did get a bit lower though
08:37.19KotCzarnyhow low?
08:37.51Siceloi've seen 4 a couple of times
08:45.50KotCzarnyErasing CMT:  98%CMT flashing failed
08:45.50KotCzarnysorry, flashing RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (NOLO, rootfs, modem-fw) failed with errorcode 0
08:45.52KotCzarnyhuh
08:46.42ceeneups
08:46.57ceenejust try again
08:47.06KotCzarnywill do, gotta run now
09:10.15MaxdamantusDamn it. Can't get my USB hub to work again after trying to remove the LED :(
09:10.25Maxdamantusshould've stayed with the put-lots-of-tape-over-it method.
09:12.35Maxdamantuswonders why someone would put such a bright LED on a USB device anyway.
09:12.46Maxdamantusunless it were a USB torch.
09:13.15ceenelol
09:13.17Humpelstilzchenmaybe the led was cheaper?
09:14.12Maxdamantusjust made a longer cable for it too
09:15.08MaxdamantusWill have to go back to using the USB ports on the ethernet cable going into my case.
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09:36.10ceenedoes anybody know about QSharedPointer?
09:36.30ceeneQT5's QSharedPointer has a method named reset(), which QT4 has not
09:36.52ceeneI don't know if I can replace that with something that would make the same
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10:04.53ender|Maxdamantus: next time put the tape on the inside
10:06.33MaxdamantusI did put the tape on the outside.
10:06.37MaxdamantusI just wanted a better solution.
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10:06.56MaxdamantusI had to use about eight layers of electrical tape before it became sufficiently dim.
10:07.18Maxdamantusoh, on the inside.
10:07.27ender|or mount the hub on the underside of your desk (if you don't need to move it around): https://eternallybored.org/imgs/comp/usb3.jpg
10:07.40MaxdamantusThat probably wouldn't work. The LED was sticking through a hole.
10:07.48ender|:p
10:07.58MaxdamantusI suspect I should've just bent the LED off.
10:08.11MaxdamantusI probably overheated something by soldering it off.
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10:19.44ceeneokay
10:19.45ceeneso
10:20.01ceeneI think I've been able to compile libaxolotl to run on maemo
10:20.29ceeneI'm confindent on everything except in one change
10:23.57Sicelowonky name for a library. what does it do?
10:24.23ceeneit implements textsecure :)
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10:28.46Maxdamantushas now bought a Polarcell battery.
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10:29.02Maxdamantusdidn't realise it'd probably have free international shipping.
10:29.18ceeneto be honest
10:29.25ceenemaybe the best thing we could do with yappari
10:29.30ceeneis to port it to use yowsup
10:29.41ceeneit's very well maintained, already supports textsecure
10:30.36MaxdamantusDoes Debian not distribute a whatsapp client?
10:30.45Maxdamantusif it did, presumably you could just use that.
10:31.14ceenedebian distributes yowsup itself
10:31.24MaxdamantusAh.
10:31.39ceenebut it's only a python library with a simple CLI
10:31.40Sicelodebian does yowsup?
10:31.42Sicelochecks
10:31.44MaxdamantusI'd just run that then, probably in a chroot.
10:31.51Maxdamantusthough I've never used whatsapp.
10:31.57ceeneas a last resort it's useful
10:32.01ceenebut it's pretty arcane
10:32.08Wizzupyappari does a lot of nice things, like media, audio, etc
10:32.14ceenethat's right
10:32.16MaxdamantusApparently I have a voicemale from it.
10:32.24ceenepeople like to share lots of photos and videos and all that
10:32.27Maxdamantus8960 N + Sep 12 WhatsAppService   New voicemessage: 9:57AM
10:32.53ceenesince there are qt bindings for python
10:33.04ceenemaybe it's possible to implement a brand new gui for yowsup
10:33.22ceenebut that's a lot of work
10:33.32ceenei don't know if i'm willing to do that
10:33.56ceeneYapasup!
10:34.18ceenethere's no need to rewrite the UI itself, as it is pretty much contained on .ui files
10:34.20Vajbdid you sneeze?
10:34.37ceenedunno, that's the name of the nonexistant maemo GUI for yowsup :P
10:34.39ceeneYapasup!
10:34.42ceenelol
10:34.49Vajb:D
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10:48.05MaxdamantusHeh, the order confirmation is all in German.
10:49.02Maxdamantushopes they really did intend to indicate that the free shipping option was international.
10:52.19keriovoicemale huh
10:52.31MaxdamantusI deleted that email.
10:52.45Maxdamantushas never used whatsapp or registered for an account.
11:00.05ceenelucky you
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11:00.48keriowill the current yappari ban me from whatsapp?
11:00.51kerioi might decide to reinstall it
11:02.45ceeneif you don't create a new group it's improbable
11:02.57ceeneand if you create a new group we still don't know
11:03.04ceenei'm waiting for someone brave enough to try it :)
11:04.27ceeneReply: {"status":"fail","reason":"blocked"}
11:04.33ceenethat means i'm banned, doesn't it?
11:04.34ceene:(
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11:04.52MaxdamantusInteresting statement on the main yappari post on TMO: “Yappari is event based so if your client is idle then it does absolutely nothing (no threads, no while(1) loops, etc). This is to maximize battery.”
11:05.12ceenethat's true
11:05.18Maxdamantusevent-based systems have a while loop somewhere.
11:05.31ceenenot necessarily
11:06.00ceenethe process may be completely sleeping
11:06.09ceeneand the kernel receive data from the network
11:06.14Maxdamantuswhile(epoll(.., next_timer - current_time)) do_event(..)
11:06.15ceeneor a keyboard interrupt
11:06.33ceenethe key there is that it's a non cpu consuming block
11:06.35MaxdamantusIt's sleeping in exactly the same way that a thread waiting on IO is sleeping.
11:06.39Maxdamantusie, it's in the "S" state.
11:06.41ceenei mean, well, there's a while of course
11:06.48Maxdamantusas opposed to the "R" state.
11:06.54ceenei guess the wording is not exactly right
11:07.30ceenethat's not my wording anyhow :P
11:08.06MaxdamantusI do think event-based systems are more efficient, but that's only because scheduling tasks in the kernel is fairly expensive.
11:08.53ceeneif the process is basically not assigned any run time slot
11:08.56Maxdamantusin Python at least (well, CPython) .. where I think "threads" correspond to LWTs.
11:08.57ceenethat process doesn't use cpu
11:09.06MaxdamantusOf course, the process isn't in the "R" state.
11:10.16Maxdamantus(threading in Python (again, possibly CPython) is a bit silly anyway, because of the GIL)
11:10.36ceeneyep
11:20.30Sicelo06:04 < ceene> Reply: {"status":"fail","reason":"blocked"}
11:20.33Siceloyes, ban
11:20.46ceeneso do i write them and cry a little?
11:20.58Siceloi guess :)
11:21.09Siceloi've always just moved to another number :p
11:24.13ceeneand do you write to each of your contacts to tell them that?
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11:26.44Siceloyeah. there aren't too many i use whatsapp with. that's why even when i'm totally without ... doesn't give me too much of a problem
11:27.08Siceloeveryone knows me as the "
11:27.21Sicelo"new-whatsapp-every-week" guy :D
11:27.26ceenelol
11:27.46ceeneto be honest i also don't use it with too many people
11:28.01ceenebut last week though, a long lost friend of mine decided to write me through whatsapp
11:28.13ceenei hadn't known anything of him since 10 years ago
11:28.18Sicelowow!
11:28.28ceenei guess he wouldn't have written me if not that convenient
11:28.46Sicelowritee to whatsapp for an unban :)
11:30.31ceeneyep, i'm charging an old android phone to fake that i'm using that
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12:24.54ender|...so it turns out i couldn't register on talk.maemo.org because the nickname "ender" apparently stands for "spammer"
12:27.19Sicelohaha
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15:49.27KotCzarnyso, is: Erasing CMT:  98%CMT flashing failed
15:49.38KotCzarnya sign of bad solder on modem chip?
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15:52.43ceeneit sounds more like bad flash chip
15:52.54KotCzarnyhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1432920
15:53.35KotCzarnythis threads gives some hope that it might be just modem chip (rootfs flashed fine)
15:53.53ceeneyou can always try booting
15:53.58ceeneif it boots... it was flashed
15:54.13KotCzarnyright
15:54.17KotCzarnygotta check
16:01.28KotCzarnyyeah, booted
16:01.38KotCzarnythough cell functions dont work as before
16:03.46KotCzarnyalso, by default 'device on' led notification is off
16:04.00KotCzarnyso it must be at least 2 users that chose to enable it manually
16:08.03KotCzarny~cssu-t
16:08.05KotCzarny~cssu-thumb
16:08.06infoboti guess cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb
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16:46.43KotCzarnyhmm
16:46.48KotCzarnywhere is i2cget?
16:59.00Sicelorepos?
16:59.06KotCzarnywhich ones?
16:59.25Sicelolet me check on my deviced
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17:00.57Sicelothe standard ones :)
17:01.01KotCzarnyum
17:01.05Siceloi2c-tools is the package name
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17:01.22KotCzarnythanks
17:01.38KotCzarnyi was trying to find i2cget not i2c
17:15.03ceenewell, so my car's battery is dead
17:15.14ceenejust one more thing dead this weekend
17:15.44KotCzarny:)
17:16.03ceenei've bricked my car lol
17:16.15KotCzarnyluckily its just battery
17:16.51ceenei think so, it tries to do its thing and the headlights look pretty dim
17:17.09KotCzarnyum
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17:17.22KotCzarnydont try to start it when accu is too low
17:17.35ceeneit's been one month in which it has run for 30 km or so, and the battery is like 5 years old or so
17:17.36KotCzarnyyou can destroy lead plates inside
17:17.45KotCzarnyahm
17:17.56ceenei think my car is indestructible
17:17.59KotCzarnycould be too sulfury anyway
17:18.04ceeneit's 22 years old itself
17:18.13KotCzarnymine is 16yo
17:18.25KotCzarnyalmost an adult ;)
17:18.57KotCzarnygot some skin condition tho (rust)
17:20.31ceenemine is completely bent all over the doors
17:20.39ceenetoo many unrepaired hits
17:20.57ceeneotherwise it semms to be fine
17:20.57KotCzarnylearning to drive or unsafe road conditions?
17:21.10ceeneno, just an idiot
17:21.36ceeneand the accumulation of 10 years worth of small hits
17:21.48ceenesome while parking
17:22.07ceenesome while i was parked, i still don't know who was
17:22.17KotCzarny:)
17:23.43Sicelowhat cars are we talking about here? :)
17:24.11KotCzarnyhonda civic
17:24.13Sicelohad a 20 year-old one .. then accident, now has a 16 year-old
17:24.14KotCzarny:)
17:24.42Sicelonice.
17:24.44KotCzarnythose old cars can run long times, and its usually user's fault when they can't run no more
17:25.07KotCzarnynowadays cars are made to last only for guarantee period
17:25.15Siceloindeed. i like that i don't need to hook up a computer just to tell the car that i've changed brake pads .. wtf!
17:25.24bencoh:)
17:26.16ceenemine is a 1993 ford mondeo
17:26.28KotCzarnytrunk light goes off 'service required'
17:27.14Sicelobut you guys in europe have MOT tests, and so on. do these cars still pass those? especially the 1993?
17:27.29KotCzarnywhat is a mot test?
17:27.29ceenesure it does
17:27.38Sicelowe don't have them this side :)
17:27.47SiceloMOT test .. something to do with emissions, etc.
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17:28.02KotCzarnyin poland all cars are required to pass some fitness tests, exhaust norms etc
17:28.02ceenein spain it's called ITV inspeccion tecnica de vehiculos - technical inspection of vehicles
17:28.15KotCzarnyprzeglad okresowy
17:28.17KotCzarny:)
17:28.38bencohI think there are taxes in france
17:28.38ceeneit must pass exhaus norms as well and minimal security tests
17:28.49ceenelights, seatbelts, brakes, etc
17:28.50Sicelomechanical fitness and safety is also tested here, but not exhaust stuff
17:28.52KotCzarnyyeah, breaks, suspension
17:29.05bencoh(unless they didnt pass the law, but iirc they did)
17:29.33ceenei think it's more or less the same everywhere?
17:29.38ceeneat least in europe
17:30.00ceenefor cars the age of mine it's required yearly
17:30.14KotCzarnysame here
17:30.27ceeneif it's new the first ITV is after 5 years
17:30.36Siceloin south africa it is only needed when ownership changes. in swaziland doesn't exist at all. no tests :p
17:30.40ceenethen after 2 years until it's 10yo
17:30.43KotCzarnybut new cars are obliged for vendor tests
17:30.49KotCzarnywhich results in quite the same
17:33.38ceenewell, xfiles time! :P
17:33.49KotCzarnyinvestigating car issue? :P
17:34.05ceenei must watch all the series before january, when they broadcast the new series!
17:36.14jabisin Finland a yearly test + you cannot tune up your car if it exceeds a certain amount of (a) parts changed [percentage] (b) excess of power compared to the stock model of most powerful vehicle of it's series, or (c) if it is a low emission engine you're tuning, you must make your vehicle go thru an expensive testing by the finnish government authorized inspection lab, for emissions :D
17:37.18jabisie. the same test they require of factories - and you pay even if they decline and get no data what was wrong
17:38.54jabis(though I know live in Thailand, and my last car was a 1.4 toyota powered by an audi TT supercharged engine, so I'm not affected anymore x)
17:39.47Sicelosupercharger ;)
17:40.40jabismegasquirt controlled deathmachine - so turbocharger wouldda been an understatement
17:40.50jabis:D
17:40.54Sicelohaha, who died?
17:41.11jabisclutch, and a piston
17:41.25Sicelodrives a 1999 Mercedes Benz C230 Kompressor/supercharger
17:41.49jabisnah - that's a turbocharger x)
17:41.49Siceloi don't "play" so much though, because then it gets thirsty, haha
17:42.02Sicelono. kompressor is a supercharger ;)
17:42.15Siceloonly recently is mercedes doing turbos
17:43.01Sicelokompressor is german word for supercharger. don't know what germans call turbocharger
17:44.05jabiskompressor macht für ein turbocharger, but yankees call their turbos supercharger (usually belt driven) while europeans call them turbos :)
17:44.11jabis*achts
17:44.17jabiswith an em
17:44.26keriofix your encoding
17:44.37kerio<jabis> kompressor macht f�r ein [...]
17:44.39jabisutf-8
17:44.45kerionope
17:44.53keriowell
17:45.01kerioutf-8 is what you should be using
17:45.05kerioidk what you sent
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17:45.43Siceloum .. jabis .. what did you say? i'm not german haha .. only drive a german car :P
17:45.50Sicelokompressor macht für ein turbocharger
17:46.11Sicelokerio: umlaut. i saw it fine. problem is likely your side
17:46.19kerionope
17:46.32kerioyou saw it fine because your client is handling non-utf8 gracefully
17:46.34jabiskerio: well it is, as well is my putty, so check your own client encoding :)
17:47.16keriojabis: resend it
17:47.33jabisü as in ?+u as in uber
17:48.23jabis(without umlauts the last one)
17:48.54kerioeyup, non-utf8
17:49.08jabisSicelo: that means that kompressor means by definition a turbocharger
17:49.35Siceloof course .. but, tell me the difference between the two :)
17:49.39jabiskerio: you're the one that has recode issues :>
17:49.48keriojabis: you're the one not sending utf8, seriously
17:49.57Siceloa turbocharger typically works off the exhaust gases
17:50.13Siceloa supercharger is belt-driven, typically.
17:50.18Sicelowhich one was yours?
17:50.55kerioi thought the point of a turbocharger was to use part of the wasted energy in the exhaust
17:50.59Sicelono
17:51.08keriowouldn't it be counterproductive if it's still fed by the engine
17:51.13Siceloit is to compress the air so more fuel can go in
17:51.21kerioyea but
17:51.26keriohm
17:51.30Siceloa turbocharger gets the power from the exhaust gases
17:51.44Sicelowhile a supercharger is turned by the engine
17:51.49jabiskerio: bullshitsticks http://jabis.coder.fi/utfwhat.png
17:52.08kerioand it's mostly not related to what your irssi is doing
17:52.21Siceloboth implementations have their advantages and disadvantages, but both just try to add more air into the combustion chamber
17:52.51SiceloWINDOWS 10!!
17:52.54Sicelotraitor :p
17:53.04kerioSicelo: the supercharger reducing the torque and the turbocharger working less reliably?
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17:53.49Siceloalong those lines kerio, yes :)
17:55.02jabisSicelo: work pc, sorry :P
17:55.08keriojabis: try to send an Ḁ (U+1E00 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH RING BELOW)
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17:55.39jabishere you go A
17:55.47Sicelotalk about funny characters .. how do i send these from linux? and more importanly, from Maemo?
17:56.00kerioi see a plain A, not sure about the others
17:56.08Sicelomy language doesn't use them, so i've never needed to use them
17:56.13Siceloalso saw plain A
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17:56.49jabiswait a sec - I'll pic one thru character map from windows
17:57.46kerioone above 256
17:58.01kerioscroll deep down
17:58.23keriolike idk
17:58.28keriosupplementary arrows B
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17:58.54keriolike ⤘ U+2918 RIGHTWARDS TWO-HEADED ARROW WITH TAIL WITH DOUBLE VERTICAL STROKE
18:00.38SiceloN900 displays the previous umlaut fine, but not kerio's character right now .. although pc displays it fine
18:00.40jabismeh - would be so much easier if you have the alt+numpad combo x)
18:00.50keriojabis: alt+999
18:00.52kerioor something
18:00.58jabis?
18:01.05jabisthat's alt+999
18:01.19kerioyeah but what should it be?
18:01.23keriolike, what do you see?
18:01.59jabiswindows character map doesn't let you filter x)
18:03.02jabisA this is U+0104 (Latin Capital Letter A with Ogonek)
18:03.10jabiswhat do you see
18:03.13kerioA
18:03.21jabiswhat client are you using?
18:03.23kerioSicelo?
18:04.06Siceloirssi
18:04.14keriono, what do you see
18:04.15kerio?
18:04.27Sicelooh. A .. normal
18:04.31jabishttp://jabis.coder.fi/utfwhat.png
18:04.32Sicelolet me see on pc
18:04.42jabisrefreshed
18:04.58Sicelosame on pc
18:05.43keriohttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2015-09-12.log.html this agrees
18:06.17SiceloĄ
18:06.34kerioA with cedilla or whatever
18:06.38kerioĄ
18:07.22Sicelopossible to enter this stuff in Maemo?
18:07.56keriosure, copypaste it from somewhere else
18:07.56jabisboth look fine here - nice so putty fucks up my encoding then
18:08.01keriojabis: IRSSI
18:08.08SiceloÖ
18:09.00jabiskerio: yup running irssi since >10 years on this same server with utf-8 encoding
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18:09.31jabisäöå bork as well?
18:09.32kerioand yet your putty is displaying the characters fine
18:09.40kerioand your irssi is missending characters
18:09.42jabisyup insists on utf-8
18:09.58kerio3 spurious bytes here
18:10.10Sicelocheck you /set
18:10.46kerioyou're still sending iso 8859 1 or 15
18:10.51jabischecked - UTF-8 auto, recode fallbacking  15
18:10.59Siceloso .. those of you who need to live with thse things .. you got to remember codes? :O
18:11.19kerioi configured my n900's keyboard to have the accented letters that i need
18:11.20jabisrecode out default is UTF-8
18:11.31keriojabis: what about the per-window settings?
18:12.05kerioSicelo: and my keyboard layout on the laptop has the letters i need already
18:12.30jabisno channel specific shit, nor window settings - only thing I need to run putty in windows 7 compat mode
18:13.47iamtheoneiamü
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18:17.08jabisäöå better now? updated irssi and redownloaded putty
18:17.10iamtheoneiamso we don't have equivalent of linux ctrl+shift+u or window's alt?
18:17.36keriojabis: yep
18:17.46kerioa with dieresis, o with dieresis, a with tiny circle
18:18.12kerioidk about ctrl+shift+u
18:18.45jabiswouldda had to do it one by one to see which was culprit - too quick on my fingers x)
18:19.01Sicelokerio: that's how i send the cedilla+a before
18:19.11Siceloctrl-shift-u 0104 i think
18:19.22SiceloĄ
18:20.11kerioSicelo: did you do that on n900?
18:20.21Sicelono, pc. debian.
18:20.28Sicelowould like to know how to do it from N900
18:20.58Sicelo⤘
18:21.47Sicelowithout remapping keyboard .. once-off
18:25.01Sicelo♪
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18:26.57jabisascii art kinda loses meaning when you have the art in ascii x)
18:27.39Sicelothere isn't much of it in ASCII .. too few charactesr
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18:31.41jabisstill miss the time when I ran a BBS with modem connections - best customers used dual ISDN lines to download ski jump records files and be done with it in a minute x)
18:31.56iamtheoneiamso looks like remapping is the only way, :(
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19:16.09DocScrutinizer05would http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg78455.html mean there's a packet injection function in wl1271 already?
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19:21.23DocScrutinizer05(kompressor) the german quote doesn't make real sense. Anyway there are several compressor concepts, depending on whether the compressor is driven by exhaust fumes (usually that's called turbo) or by belt from main engine, or even by a dedicated electromotor (the latter two usually called Kompressor)
19:24.13Siceloit was more of a marketing term possibly
19:24.48Sicelomercedes Kompresssors are belt-driven. they were not using turbos until few years ago.
19:26.31SiceloDocScrutinizer05: any way on N900/Maemo to enter extended characters without remapping keyboard?
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19:32.26DocScrutinizer05err, use the special keys vkbd? (blue-ctrl)
19:33.43DocScrutinizer05I'm not aware of any app to add arbitrary UTF-8 or whatever
19:34.38DocScrutinizer05you however easily could c&p from e.g. terminal or from a browser window
19:35.24Sicelook. sucks.
19:35.26DocScrutinizer05in xterm you also can define a few soft keys, dunno how far that goes.
19:37.25DocScrutinizer05ctrl-shift-u doesn't work on my linux PC either, in this irc client
19:38.00DocScrutinizer05neither in Konsole
19:38.08Wizzupset a compose key and define a .XCompose?
19:38.48DocScrutinizer05yep, that's how it's done. And that's what Sicelo asked to not have to use
19:38.59DocScrutinizer05I don't know of another solution
19:39.31Sicelohttp://fsymbols.com/keyboard/linux/unicode/
19:39.54SiceloN900 has that XCompse functionality Wizzup?
19:40.17DocScrutinizer05fails on my desktop linux. sorry
19:40.28Siceloworks on mine
19:41.12DocScrutinizer05yeah, maybe your distro has stuff configured in that way. that's no reason to assume it's working on every distro like that
19:41.41WizzupSicelo: should be able to set it up?
19:41.46WizzupI don't see why it would not be possible
19:42.40DocScrutinizer05irssi, of course
19:43.15DocScrutinizer05so that ctrl-shift-u thing is prolly a special feature of the xterm you use
19:43.59DocScrutinizer05I wonder if it would also work on your console (ctrl-alt-F1)
19:44.55Siceloseems to be a debian thing .. even ubuntu appears to have it. even outside terminal. tested in gedit just now
19:45.22DocScrutinizer05possible
19:45.48DocScrutinizer05but is it X11 or actually a kbd driver thing?
19:46.06DocScrutinizer05I.E does it work in plain console (alt-ctrl-F1) too?
19:46.19Sicelonope. didn't work there
19:46.46DocScrutinizer05then it's most likely already .XCompose as suggested by Wizzup
19:47.19DocScrutinizer05my distro has means to assign arbitrary .Xcompose any time, iirc
19:47.37DocScrutinizer05somewhere in "Desktop Settings"
19:47.52DocScrutinizer05under "compose key"
19:48.15DocScrutinizer05(KDE that is)
19:48.47Siceloon further checking .. it's gnome thing
19:49.41DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2015/09/12/plasma-desktopOE1947.png
19:52.27KotCzarnyhmm, sicelo, feature you want would need either input driver rewrite or app rewrite (which could be easier)
19:52.57Siceloon N900, you mean?
19:52.57KotCzarnyor maybe teaching irssi to rewrite some strings on the fly
19:53.08Wizzupuse setxkbmap to set the compose key
19:53.22Wizzup(I have no suggestions on the key)
19:53.23Sicelothis is not about irssi btw guys :)
19:53.24KotCzarnyie $U01234 into actual unicode char
19:53.27Wizzupsomething like this: setxkbmap -option compose:ralt
19:53.52KotCzarnywizzup, i think he asked about the windowsish feature of entering char by codes
19:53.59KotCzarnyusing numpad and alt i think
19:54.08Wizzupuhh, okay
19:54.15Wizzupuse python + x buffers? :)
19:54.25KotCzarnysystem wide
19:54.34Wizzupx paste buffer not system wide enough? :)
19:54.37KotCzarnyfirefox/terminal etc probably
19:55.05KotCzarnyhow would you put things from input into x paste buffer?
19:55.11Sicelothanks for the pointers. will look at the compose key further, and the setxkbmap suggestion
19:55.26Wizzup(compose and setxkbmap go together)
19:55.29Wizzupbut yeah :)
19:55.44Wizzupalternative is probably using Xtest or something.
19:55.56Wizzupbut you'd still need to bind it to some action or key
19:56.10KotCzarnyor starting special vkb on fn-space etc
19:56.29KotCzarnythat would read 4 numbers then pasted it into active window
19:56.36WizzupYou can send any input with xtest
19:56.43KotCzarnyyes, using xtest
19:57.05KotCzarnybut im thinking about that any-utf-char concept
19:57.58KotCzarnyactually such thing could be ported to any desktop env easily once written
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19:58.34WizzupKotCzarny: read from /dev/input/eventX where X is keyboard, translate keypresses to numbers, use numbers to translate to unicode number, send unicode with xtest
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19:59.04Wizzupor if you want to avoid x: create a temporary fake keyboard input device
19:59.04KotCzarnyi think you dont even have to use eventX
19:59.39KotCzarnysimply starting/activating little app that would simply wait for 4 digits and send char via xtest to active window
19:59.56Wizzupsure
19:59.57KotCzarnythere was standard x app to react on keys
20:00.04Wizzupeither way, I probably don't need this ... :)
20:00.06KotCzarnyxbindkeys or something
20:00.16Wizzupkeybinder perhaps
20:00.26Wizzuphttp://kaizer.se/wiki/keybinder/
20:00.31Wizzupuh...404
20:00.32Wizzupgreat
20:00.47Wizzuphttps://github.com/engla/keybinder
20:01.02KotCzarnycheck xbindkeys
20:01.34KotCzarnyit can be handy for those multimedia keys on laptops too
20:05.10KotCzarnyand for sending keys one could use xdotool
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20:17.32KotCzarnyor just snatch code and mangle it together
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21:04.45Sicelodoes anyone know what map source the location widget uses? it seems a bit different from ovi maps.
21:05.17Sicelolocation-test-gui has same display as location test
21:06.00Sicelo*widget reather
21:13.00Sicelohmm, seems to be here.com :-O
21:17.51Sicelolocation widget opens connection to download.linux.s2g.gate5.de, and location-test-gui uses loc.desktop.maps.svc.ovi.com
21:22.47Sicelosome wireshark blues
21:22.50Sicelowireshark -i wlan0 -k -f host 192.168.1.94
21:23.01Sicelowireshark: You can't specify both a live capture and a capture file to be read
21:35.01Sicelough! location-test-gui is also non-free
21:50.19ceenethat's murphy for you
21:55.25Siceloi just noticed both location-test-gui & location widget  get the very latest maps off here.com. if only ovi maps also used the same urls
21:56.01ceeneis it known which urls ovi maps use?
21:56.11Sicelowireshark :p
21:56.37ceeneit's somewhere in closed source you mean
21:57.20Siceloyes. hardcoded clearly
21:58.12Siceloanyway, window's ovi suite still does get maps onto n900 .. although not very up-to-date, but useable
21:59.09ceenenokia has sold here maps too
21:59.38Siceloyes. i saw. nokia will be completely erased off the planet
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23:20.26MaxdamantusXorg/XKB comes with a decent compose map, but the Maemo libraries do something strange to intercept the compose key and produce the dialogue you normally see (or maybe something else using a different IME or something, haven't really experimented with those)
23:21.24Maxdamantusif you run a program that's not linked against the Hildon stuff, you can just use fn+sym then type something like 'a to get á.
23:22.20Maxdamantuswants to figure out how to stop the Hildon behaviour.
23:25.50MaxdamantusAlso thought of something that might help me solve another issue I have, with osso-xterm.
23:26.33MaxdamantusCould use that X11 wrapper thing to try figuring out what key combination causes it to close randomly.
23:29.02Maxdamantusxscope

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