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| 00:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: the magnet is in the cover, the leg only has a non-magnetic steel patch |
| 00:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | svetlana: you cannot solder magnets, they will lose their magnetism at that temperature |
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| 00:17.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((Should I put some pressure onto it, while it is drying-sticking?)) with cyanoacrylate (aka superglue) no |
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| 00:21.31 | Oksana | Okay, steel patch (still, I am lucky that it does not get lost; it has lost some of its blackness, but otherwise it stays not-lost for weeks) |
| 00:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | apply some small amount of cyanoacrylate to the cleaned cavity where the magnet (or in your case the steel patch) belongs. within 20 s max place the small object (steel patch) into place. Do not move after 0.5s, so you better make damn sure to place it into right position on first take. use some scotch tape (sticky side) to hold the small object, this has two benefits: you can properly grab the whole thing, and superglue won't stick to |
| 00:22.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the scotchtape glue so easy removal of scotchtape |
| 00:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | apply some moderate pressure to keep object in place, for maybe 10 or 20s. Really moderate or even gentle! Do not move object while glue cures. cyanoacrylate cures with air humidity, so blowing at the whole thing will speed up curing |
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| 00:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't be mistaken, even superglue takes several minutes before it reaches final strength of joint |
| 00:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | so don't remove the scotchtape too early or you'll pull out the magnet or whatever object with it |
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| 01:03.37 | jabis | DocScrutinizer05: you really instruct to the tee :) Too early for such a feat here in Thailand, but I bet people other than me appreciate your input as much ^^ Next time you come to Chiang Mai, I'll buy you a beer :> |
| 01:04.01 | jabis | (or your preferred beverage) |
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| 05:03.05 | jester | hello world |
| 05:03.17 | jester | i am facing quite a curious problem on my n900 |
| 05:04.30 | Luke-Jr | which one? |
| 05:04.37 | jester | i have the cssu thumb installed and everything works great except |
| 05:04.46 | jester | yappari cant tell if there is an internet connection or not |
| 05:05.01 | Luke-Jr | nhoi |
| 05:05.07 | jester | also, the FAP says network error twice before updating catalogues |
| 05:05.21 | jester | although it ends up working fine in the end |
| 05:05.28 | Luke-Jr | my problem is that phone call recording uses too much CPU and so it makes the actual call impossible :< |
| 05:05.49 | jester | ah, which software are you using to record the phone calls ? |
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| 05:45.00 | Luke-Jr | jester: dunno; someone here suggested I change software when the one that used to work stopped working, and since that replacement never worked either I never learned its name well |
| 05:45.14 | Luke-Jr | seems to just be a pulseaudio problem to me. |
| 05:50.20 | jester | Luke-Jr, I was going to suggest using a replacement as well, its either a software issue or the pulseaudio one. But if one software works fine for everyone except you, its certainly a pulseaudio issue |
| 05:51.00 | Luke-Jr | jester: you know something that works? :p |
| 05:51.27 | KotCzarny | jester, dont use fap |
| 05:51.31 | KotCzarny | ~fam |
| 05:51.31 | infobot | fapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam |
| 05:51.36 | KotCzarny | ~speedyham |
| 05:51.36 | infobot | hmm... speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 05:51.39 | Luke-Jr | (otoh, I suppose another possibility is that the eMMC is getting slower?) |
| 05:52.28 | KotCzarny | its also in cssu-t |
| 05:52.59 | jester | I have never tried recording calls, but theres orecchiette that can record calls and i think mydicto does that too |
| 05:54.03 | svetlana | Oksana: you recorded phone calls. What did you use? Luke-Jr's stuff uses too much cpu. |
| 05:54.16 | Luke-Jr | orecchiette is the most recent one I tried |
| 05:55.16 | Oksana | uses orecchiette , too. But, it has to be open before phone call, and you should check settings |
| 05:55.47 | Luke-Jr | Oksana: when the call starts, CPU maxes out and the audio is unintelligible :/ |
| 05:56.11 | Luke-Jr | what about the settings? |
| 05:56.22 | jester | KotCzarny, i dont actually see speedyHAM in my applications, and yappari isnt already working ... do you think it may be because some of my repos be out of date? also im confused as to, what happened when the nokia repos went down, are the replacement packages there on the standard repo now ? |
| 05:56.38 | KotCzarny | jester its called hildon-application-manager in repos |
| 05:57.06 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 05:57.06 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 05:57.21 | KotCzarny | there are few mirrors |
| 05:57.34 | jester | KotCzarny, thats the usual one, aka HAM hildon application manager |
| 05:57.56 | svetlana | Maybe depends on the length of the phone call (?). |
| 05:57.59 | jester | thanks for the link, id verify my repository information |
| 05:58.11 | KotCzarny | jester, could be, still, dont use fam, speedyham is good |
| 05:58.16 | jester | Luke-Jr, or maybe youre setting the recording quality too high |
| 05:58.23 | KotCzarny | (i've tried it few days ago and it was good) |
| 05:58.43 | Luke-Jr | svetlana: it's unusable from the moment I answer |
| 05:58.50 | KotCzarny | as for call recording, write as wav then encode after a call? |
| 05:58.59 | Luke-Jr | hmm |
| 05:59.23 | Maxdamantus | I'd try recording wave and piping it to `lzop -1` |
| 05:59.35 | svetlana | Wonder what version of sound stuff and of the orecchiette. Maybe some odd bug |
| 05:59.54 | Luke-Jr | all my older "worked great" cases were AAC |
| 06:00.03 | Luke-Jr | which I wouldn't have used in post-processing |
| 06:00.47 | Maxdamantus | You might want to check that it's not resampling or something. |
| 06:03.38 | KotCzarny | would be great to have photo button starting and ending recording |
| 06:04.07 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: meh, if it worked I'd just figure "record everything and edit later" |
| 06:04.45 | KotCzarny | that would be nice to have as a setting in phone config |
| 06:06.36 | KotCzarny | i wonder if it would be possible to listen for dbus events for call start amd end |
| 06:06.51 | KotCzarny | then it would be very simple to write recording feature |
| 06:06.56 | Luke-Jr | the software I used before orecchiette just automatically recorded everything |
| 06:07.04 | KotCzarny | s/amd/and/ |
| 06:07.05 | Luke-Jr | orecchiette does also, but needs to be started manually |
| 06:07.27 | Luke-Jr | as in, the program needs to be running in the background; and then it will record/stop automatically |
| 06:08.05 | Luke-Jr | meh, I need to get to bed :< |
| 06:08.06 | KotCzarny | write to orecchiette author? |
| 06:08.07 | Luke-Jr | night |
| 06:08.09 | KotCzarny | nn |
| 06:08.20 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: dunno who that is :P |
| 06:08.52 | KotCzarny | jpietrzak |
| 06:08.59 | KotCzarny | the one of pierogi's fame |
| 06:09.00 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 06:09.09 | KotCzarny | he is active dev |
| 06:09.26 | KotCzarny | (if im not mistaken) |
| 06:10.50 | KotCzarny | khttps://github.com/jpietrzak8 |
| 06:10.52 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 06:11.19 | KotCzarny | and https://github.com/jpietrzak8/Orecchiette |
| 06:17.32 | KotCzarny | lets see who is maintainer on maemo |
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| 06:32.49 | Maxdamantus | suspects this battery isn't genuine, meh. |
| 06:32.58 | KotCzarny | ~polarcell |
| 06:32.59 | infobot | polarcell is, like, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement |
| 06:33.00 | Maxdamantus | Do they make different slightly holograms? |
| 06:33.10 | Maxdamantus | (Nokia) |
| 06:33.10 | KotCzarny | they stopped adding holos |
| 06:33.30 | KotCzarny | so if you bought nokia 'original' recently then it IS a fake |
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| 06:33.37 | Maxdamantus | Right. |
| 06:33.50 | Maxdamantus | wonders if that's significant. |
| 06:34.57 | KotCzarny | https://linuxcenter.kz/page/oscp-%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%B5%D1%80-%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%87%D1%82%D0%B8-%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0 |
| 06:34.58 | KotCzarny | wow |
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| 08:09.53 | Maxdamantus | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2Ob19L8oYDMeGpSUUt4bklhYkk/view |
| 08:10.00 | Maxdamantus | Fun hologram (real). |
| 08:10.09 | Maxdamantus | Will record the presumed fake one soon. |
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| 08:52.16 | KotCzarny | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/17328_Nokia_no_longer_bothering_with.php |
| 08:53.03 | KotCzarny | http://www.ebay.com/gds/Avoid-Buying-Fake-Nokia-Cell-Phone-Battery-On-eBay-/10000000001916166/g.html |
| 08:54.41 | KotCzarny | also, weight of the battery can be a sign |
| 09:05.13 | Maxdamantus | Well, the hologram itself is obviously not as high-quality as the Nokia one. |
| 09:06.33 | Maxdamantus | (not the one in the video, the one currently in my phone) |
| 09:06.52 | Maxdamantus | doesn't have another device to record, so has to swap batteries. |
| 09:08.27 | ceene | so, coderus has libaxolotl (needed to implement TextSecure on Yappari) ported to QT5 |
| 09:08.46 | ceene | of course our N900 doesn't feature QT5 but QT4 |
| 09:08.55 | ceene | so there are several things that need some porting back |
| 09:12.01 | Sicelo | ceene: somehow whatsapp didn't like me creating a group :( |
| 09:12.12 | ceene | oh |
| 09:12.19 | ceene | i'm gonna try that myself right now and see what happens |
| 09:12.35 | Sicelo | all was fine until i created one .. now cannot login |
| 09:12.44 | ceene | :s |
| 09:12.53 | ceene | that doesn't sound nice |
| 09:13.14 | ceene | i'm gonna do that on scratchbox then instead of on my main phone |
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| 09:21.27 | ceene | why the hell yappari think scratchbox isn't network connected? |
| 09:22.16 | Sicelo | i see lots of cheap Windows tablets from China. is it reasonable to assume one can install Linux one them? |
| 09:22.21 | Sicelo | *on |
| 09:22.57 | ceene | usually yes, though there's no guarantee all the hardware will work |
| 09:26.03 | ceene | uh, i gotta do some real work now |
| 09:26.07 | ceene | or someone's going to fire me |
| 09:26.08 | ceene | sorry |
| 09:26.14 | ceene | but i'll get back to you ASAP |
| 09:26.59 | Sicelo | sure. |
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| 09:54.49 | Maxdamantus | That's pretty much the same with all computer packages. They pretty much all come with Windows, though there's a small chance it's not going to pretty much completely work with a Linux-based OS. |
| 09:55.14 | Maxdamantus | People who use Linux-based OSes aren't using magical hardware. |
| 09:55.49 | KotCzarny | userbase is bigger |
| 09:55.50 | Maxdamantus | (myself included) |
| 09:55.56 | Sicelo | i was thinking more about the booting part .. don't know what bootloaders are sitting in those tabs |
| 09:55.57 | KotCzarny | so is bigger chance of re of the drivers |
| 09:57.11 | Maxdamantus | Probably just the standard NTLDR, unless they've changed the name. |
| 09:57.16 | Sicelo | but i see now that since Intel Atom processor, we shouldn't have problems :) |
| 09:57.38 | Sicelo | why is no one putting in Linux on the Nokia N1 though? |
| 09:57.43 | KotCzarny | they may use some vendor quirks to be working |
| 09:57.56 | KotCzarny | i remember helping someone with chromebook |
| 09:58.12 | KotCzarny | and unloading one particular module froze whole thing |
| 09:58.38 | Sicelo | that's ARM though iirc |
| 09:58.52 | KotCzarny | still, vendors often lock their devices in nasty ways |
| 09:59.38 | Wizzup | samsung arm chromebook are not really locked |
| 09:59.48 | Wizzup | same for the nvidia-powered acer ones |
| 09:59.53 | M4rtinK | there is some work ongoing for running Fedora on bay-trail (x86) based tablets: https://www.happyassassin.net/fedlet-a-fedora-remix-for-bay-trail-tablets/ |
| 10:00.00 | Wizzup | actually all arm chromebooks are not locked |
| 10:00.09 | Wizzup | You can (re)flash |
| 10:00.16 | M4rtinK | Sicelo: N1 is x86 |
| 10:00.20 | Wizzup | there are always sources avail too |
| 10:02.02 | Sicelo | yes, i know. i mean the chromebook is ARM.. isn't it? |
| 10:02.31 | Sicelo | oh wow.. unlocked? hmm |
| 10:02.45 | Maxdamantus | I think a lot of Chromebooks are x86. |
| 10:03.00 | Maxdamantus | suspects they'd usually be x86. |
| 10:05.48 | Maxdamantus | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromebook#Chromebook_models |
| 10:07.27 | Maxdamantus | So mostly x86. |
| 10:08.12 | Sicelo | cool. never realized that |
| 10:08.18 | Maxdamantus | wonders if that Rockchip thing at the end is x86. The Wikipedia page is of the company, which apparently mostly produces ARM chips, but entered a deal recently with Intel to expand their architecture in the mobile market or something. |
| 10:09.06 | Maxdamantus | wants to see more desktops/laptops using non-x86. |
| 10:09.33 | Maxdamantus | Intel doesn't, because they rely on their architecture being the de-facto desktop/laptop one. |
| 10:10.48 | Maxdamantus | wants more competition of technology rather than competition of legacy support. |
| 10:11.22 | KotCzarny | that competition could mean more work for devs |
| 10:11.26 | KotCzarny | see physx |
| 10:11.46 | KotCzarny | and similar examples of proprietary technologies |
| 10:14.45 | Maxdamantus | I'm not sure what it being proprietary has to do with anything. |
| 10:15.20 | KotCzarny | that means that technology will be bound to particular hardware |
| 10:15.31 | KotCzarny | remember old sse vs 3dnow ? |
| 10:15.39 | Maxdamantus | but computers/OSes have been based on the same weird model for the last forty years or so. |
| 10:16.08 | Maxdamantus | where the computer/OS is responsible for emulating another computer for each program. |
| 10:16.25 | KotCzarny | unless patents and licensing comes into play |
| 10:16.39 | KotCzarny | and you cant emulate other things without paying royalties |
| 10:17.23 | Maxdamantus | If there's more fluidity between architectures there's probably slightly less of a chance of proprietary things taking over. |
| 10:18.01 | KotCzarny | have you ever thought why there are different architectures in the first place? |
| 10:18.19 | KotCzarny | this thing is still on |
| 10:18.39 | Maxdamantus | Because the PDP-11 wasn't optimal. |
| 10:20.16 | KotCzarny | in 2001 alpha intellectual property was sold to intel |
| 10:20.33 | KotCzarny | alpha was >>>>> intel |
| 10:21.04 | Maxdamantus | But Intel already pretty much has the monopoly over desktop computers by that point. |
| 10:21.14 | Maxdamantus | which is why they were able to swallow up potential competition like that. |
| 10:21.24 | Maxdamantus | s/has/had/ |
| 10:21.39 | KotCzarny | yes, but they really took off when ibm clone thing became popular |
| 10:22.11 | Maxdamantus | Intel is successful because it's successful enough to fight off competition. |
| 10:22.14 | KotCzarny | earlier they were just a small competitor |
| 10:22.51 | Maxdamantus | and what helps them is the current monolithic state of desktop computing. |
| 10:23.03 | Maxdamantus | it's all on Intel's architecture. |
| 10:23.46 | KotCzarny | its because people started using cheap clones and writing software for it |
| 10:24.21 | KotCzarny | ie. things became cheap enough for many people to use it |
| 10:25.40 | KotCzarny | and once userbase become significant, commercial solutions started popping out too |
| 10:31.48 | Wizzup | 12:03 * Maxdamantus suspects they'd usually be x86. |
| 10:31.53 | Wizzup | I don't think 'usually', but ok |
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| 10:44.15 | Maxdamantus | It apparently is usually. |
| 10:44.51 | Maxdamantus | unless by not usually you meant always. |
| 10:45.13 | Maxdamantus | but it's not alwaysâthere are a few ARM models, just not many. |
| 10:45.17 | Wizzup | It would be good to see numbers net to the models |
| 10:45.24 | Wizzup | next to* |
| 10:46.38 | Wizzup | also, seems the code names on wikipedia aren't acccurate |
| 10:46.41 | Wizzup | guess I should fix them... |
| 10:46.42 | Sicelo | numbers of? |
| 10:47.59 | Wizzup | sales |
| 10:48.07 | Wizzup | Otherwise you don't really know the distribution |
| 10:48.44 | kerio | meh it's likely a gaussian |
| 10:48.46 | kerio | :> |
| 10:49.33 | Wizzup | let's just say that in my circles, (/me counts....) one friend has an intel chromebook, the other 7 have (one or more) arm chromebooks |
| 10:49.42 | Wizzup | probably biased :) |
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| 11:31.34 | KotCzarny | no gaussian but guessian |
| 11:31.39 | KotCzarny | s/no/not/ |
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| 11:44.59 | Sicelo | further on the previous topic: so the problem with bootloaders that's plaguing smartphones .. is it "caused" by the ARM processors used, or we should just blame Android for example? |
| 11:45.32 | KotCzarny | both are vendor issue (hw or sw) |
| 11:48.50 | Sicelo | hmm, ok. currently N900 is still one of the relatively easy ones to boot your own OS. Very few other smartphones seem to have scored success. It sucks |
| 11:49.36 | KotCzarny | it all starts with one |
| 11:49.51 | Sicelo | one? |
| 11:50.09 | KotCzarny | one device |
| 11:50.17 | KotCzarny | that gains user base and interest |
| 11:51.00 | Sicelo | it's been a long time already. N900 could boot your own linux "almost" from day one. |
| 11:51.32 | KotCzarny | im gonna do just that next week |
| 11:51.45 | KotCzarny | my third n900 should arrive today |
| 11:51.56 | Sicelo | there's a lot of interest also in samsung devices especially .. and i dare say those hackers are knowledgeable. success is another story though |
| 11:52.19 | Sicelo | has booted Arch, Debian, Nemo & SHR on his main N900 in the past :) |
| 11:52.31 | Sicelo | very fulfilling. |
| 11:52.36 | KotCzarny | how about wince? |
| 11:52.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:52.53 | Sicelo | of course calls didn't work, but 3G did, and i was satisfied. |
| 11:53.06 | Sicelo | haha, wince? what would i do with that. no interest |
| 11:53.15 | KotCzarny | show off |
| 11:53.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:53.22 | L29Ah | hmm, maybe i need to screw calls and use sip instead |
| 11:53.31 | L29Ah | i wonder if i'll suck on gprs tho |
| 11:53.50 | KotCzarny | maybe boot cut down maemo os just with dialer and calls engine? |
| 11:54.05 | KotCzarny | (in chroot or something) |
| 11:54.10 | Sicelo | L29Ah: regarding? |
| 11:54.30 | KotCzarny | though i would probably write my own dialer ui |
| 11:54.34 | L29Ah | re getting up gentoo to use full time |
| 11:55.00 | L29Ah | as only gsm-enabled device i carry |
| 11:55.06 | L29Ah | *the only |
| 11:55.54 | Sicelo | GPRS/3G should work just fine |
| 11:56.35 | L29Ah | i mean, if sip over gprs is tolerable |
| 11:56.52 | Sicelo | ah |
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| 11:57.05 | Sicelo | Wi-Fi? |
| 11:57.34 | L29Ah | wi-fi is not quite omnipresent and 3g generally ends when one leaves a city here |
| 11:58.11 | KotCzarny | external usb modem for calls? |
| 11:58.24 | Sicelo | you may have to be stuck with Maemo then :) |
| 12:01.14 | L29Ah | :D |
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| 12:28.50 | drathir | yea migrating from debian to arch would be nice... |
| 12:34.49 | Sicelo | Skry made the most progress in that direction. Not sure why he abandoned the project. |
| 12:41.38 | drathir | arch its lighter and have alarm devs which ones mabe also could share with useful tips ideas about who knows... |
| 12:42.06 | drathir | ofc still maemo better than android... |
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| 14:21.24 | stryngs | Adventures of a skid, part I: <Andchat> how will I hack my skool server then ..plz teach me |
| 14:21.28 | stryngs | erp |
| 14:21.33 | stryngs | http://pastebin.com/mG0R9eAh |
| 14:30.21 | ceene | Sicelo: now my WA account seems to be banned as well :P |
| 14:30.35 | ceene | so i can't tell exactly what has happened |
| 14:31.24 | Sicelo | :P |
| 14:34.34 | Sicelo | imm on my 4th whatsapp number now, haha ... wait, 5thait |
| 14:36.16 | ceene | i'm a bit tired of this whatsapp bussiness |
| 14:41.00 | Sicelo | yeah |
| 14:47.13 | ceene | if i can't get my number to be unbanned or whatever i'm no sure if i'll continue supporting yappari |
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| 14:55.38 | Sicelo | i also got fed up. when my 4th number got banned i vowed not to come back. my sisters bought the 5th number, haha |
| 14:56.01 | ceene | lol |
| 14:56.31 | Sicelo | it's them i was making a group for when i got that disconnection (i hope not ban, yet) |
| 14:56.58 | ceene | it seems to be a ban, but maybe it's only temporary |
| 14:57.17 | Sicelo | hmm. that sucks then |
| 14:57.20 | ceene | i couldn't get scratchbox to work, so i used my main number to test it |
| 14:57.37 | ceene | maybe i should post about this on the forum hehe |
| 14:57.47 | ceene | so people don't get massively banned |
| 14:58.00 | Sicelo | if only everyone just used IRC! |
| 14:58.20 | ceene | those were good times |
| 14:58.27 | Sicelo | or XMPP if they want/need fancy features such as calls |
| 14:58.42 | Wizzup | You can perhaps create a bitlbee plugin |
| 14:58.51 | Wizzup | Any clue why whatsapp is so agressive in banning implementations |
| 14:58.54 | Sicelo | or SIP. i've tried to win over some people here, but didn't get far |
| 14:59.04 | Sicelo | people just like what "works" |
| 14:59.23 | ceene | the problem with the bitlbee plugin is the same as with yappari |
| 14:59.37 | Wizzup | ceene: wrt banning, of course |
| 14:59.38 | Sicelo | Wizzup: they claim unofficial clients are a security risk |
| 14:59.40 | ceene | you get one little thing wrong with the protocol and bam! banned! |
| 14:59.43 | Wizzup | but then it appears like everyone is using IRC ;) |
| 15:00.10 | Sicelo | in my side of thw world, i have yet to meet an IRC user .. |
| 15:00.15 | Wizzup | really? |
| 15:00.17 | Wizzup | where do you live |
| 15:00.33 | Sicelo | Swaziland/South Africa |
| 15:00.37 | ceene | well, in my book yappari is less of a security risk as it is free source, but go and talk to them about that |
| 15:01.41 | ecc3g | stupid whatsapp simply wants to uniquely identify people so they can ban them if they start spamming the service without thier consent... that's the security they want. |
| 15:02.26 | ecc3g | they could care less about users' security... |
| 15:02.37 | ceene | yep |
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| 15:03.47 | Wizzup | ceene: it sounds like an excuse really |
| 15:06.07 | ceene | most probably, they just simply want total control of the network |
| 15:06.27 | ceene | and maybe they're right, in the end they are paying for the infrastructre |
| 15:06.40 | ceene | it's us the users who should choose more wisely |
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| 15:18.09 | ecc3g | yep |
| 15:18.34 | ecc3g | now that I know what they're trying to do, so I do the best thing: refuse their service... |
| 15:23.28 | KotCzarny | greedy bastards |
| 15:23.32 | KotCzarny | that's what they are |
| 15:24.20 | ecc3g | unfortunately everyones doing the same, ios, android, doomed... |
| 15:24.32 | KotCzarny | there is linux, irc etc |
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| 15:24.51 | KotCzarny | pity people jump on the 'popular' bandwagon too quickly |
| 15:25.12 | KotCzarny | yet, popular comes from offensive marketing mostly |
| 15:25.26 | KotCzarny | and dumbing down tools so average user is happy |
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| 15:26.18 | ceene | telegram is a technically superior alternative yet here we are, using a very privative and secret protocol because "everyone" uses it |
| 15:26.48 | ceene | and not only telegram, there are lots of alternatives |
| 15:26.49 | ceene | but... |
| 15:27.23 | ecc3g | someone needs to make a buck off of their service... |
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| 15:29.04 | ceene | are you proposing a ddos attack? :P |
| 15:29.10 | ecc3g | someone needs to make a p2p IM service that's decentralized... |
| 15:29.31 | ceene | it won't matter as long as people doesn't switch |
| 15:29.40 | ecc3g | alas there are so many problems with such |
| 15:29.46 | ecc3g | hence they wont switch... |
| 15:30.04 | ceene | you can make the most incridible app yet people won't switch while the original one works for them |
| 15:30.06 | KotCzarny | they need 'shiny' |
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| 15:30.56 | ecc3g | just like android and ios... dang preaching to the choir... |
| 15:32.24 | drathir | ecc3g: pybitmessage... |
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| 15:48.37 | ceene | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1482165&postcount=1126 |
| 15:48.44 | ceene | I'm sad |
| 15:49.06 | ceene | i know there are several people that will change phones if Yappari stops working |
| 15:50.43 | KotCzarny | in .pl there are few im networks, but they usually dont ban people for using alternatives |
| 15:51.07 | Sicelo | haha, just because of whatsapp? i'll quit whatsapp, not the N900 :) |
| 15:51.08 | KotCzarny | yet, recently they updated policies with the list of 'official clients' so maybe its a wider move |
| 15:51.29 | KotCzarny | dont forget to make people mail whatsapp staff |
| 15:51.39 | KotCzarny | that they quit because of ban on alternatives |
| 15:51.50 | KotCzarny | also, make a campaign or two |
| 15:52.02 | KotCzarny | but suggest people to mail WA staff |
| 15:52.18 | KotCzarny | it really can make a difference |
| 15:53.03 | Sicelo | it won't |
| 15:53.52 | KotCzarny | it can, receiving few hundred thousands emails is significant |
| 15:54.02 | Sicelo | ok .. let me not be dogmatic, but it does seem impossible |
| 15:54.23 | ceene | dunno, how may of us are? |
| 15:54.26 | ceene | 200? |
| 15:54.43 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: for one, they don't even seem to be interested in mails that don't come from mailbox directly .. they want you to mail from the app |
| 15:55.26 | KotCzarny | ceene, seek other WA alts, join forces |
| 15:56.06 | KotCzarny | mail the bastards |
| 15:57.33 | ceene | i may end up installing an android emulator and connecting via vnc to access WA |
| 15:58.02 | ceene | or parsing androids' wa sqlite files to forward them or something |
| 15:58.43 | ceene | i could sell a cloud of virtual android devices with WA forwarding... |
| 15:58.52 | ceene | one man can dream |
| 15:59.09 | ceene | i'd like to be millionaire too |
| 15:59.26 | Wizzup | >cloud >whatsapp |
| 15:59.38 | Wizzup | Adding cloud to anything makes it worse, not better |
| 15:59.48 | ceene | lol |
| 16:00.14 | ceene | it'd be worse for you, i'll be reach and sell to facebook yada yada |
| 16:00.25 | ceene | s/reach/rich/ |
| 16:07.03 | ceene | on the other hand, I've set up a linux server of mine to act as exchange server |
| 16:07.23 | ceene | so i have instant mail delivery on my n900, alongside contacts and calendar synchronization to owncloud |
| 16:07.53 | ceene | mail is previously filtered and each attachment is removed and replaced by a link to an https location |
| 16:08.08 | ceene | so i don't download big attachments on the phone without my knowledge, saving 3g data |
| 16:08.13 | ceene | isn't that cool? :P |
| 16:12.30 | Wizzup | :) |
| 16:12.33 | Wizzup | pretty nifty |
| 16:14.07 | Sicelo | ceene: what are you using for that? :) |
| 16:14.26 | Sicelo | zimbra? horde activesync? or .. what's the other one .. forgot :/ |
| 16:14.52 | ceene | z-push |
| 16:14.59 | ceene | well, it's a fork of z-push |
| 16:15.04 | Sicelo | ah yes. so it works nicely? |
| 16:15.06 | ceene | https://github.com/fmbiete/Z-Push-contrib.git |
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| 16:15.26 | ceene | it seems to be good enough for this |
| 16:15.41 | ceene | it's quite a bit burdersome to set up |
| 16:15.49 | ceene | because owncloud dav urls are a bit confusing |
| 16:15.53 | Sicelo | how about resource usage .. not bad? |
| 16:16.24 | ceene | on the server it's completely negligible |
| 16:16.29 | ceene | and on the n900 |
| 16:16.43 | ceene | i'd say it's better than using modest to automatically sync |
| 16:16.49 | ceene | as exchange protocol supports push operations |
| 16:17.00 | ceene | so email is not polled by the phone but pushed from the server |
| 16:17.06 | Sicelo | yeah. i''m currently using outlook.com for that, but don't really like it at all |
| 16:17.32 | ceene | to remove attachments i simply use procmail and a perl script i found somewhere and modified a bit |
| 16:18.10 | Sicelo | did you really have to use it? modest doesn't download attachments until you choose to .. am i wrong? |
| 16:18.21 | Sicelo | i think only mutt has that flaw :( |
| 16:18.28 | ceene | uhm |
| 16:18.32 | ceene | you know what? |
| 16:18.41 | ceene | i never checked to see if modest could not download attachments |
| 16:18.45 | ceene | so maybe i worked for nothing |
| 16:18.47 | ceene | hehehehe |
| 16:18.49 | Sicelo | :) |
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| 16:19.01 | ceene | let's see |
| 16:19.54 | ceene | nope, there's no option to avoid attachments |
| 16:19.56 | ceene | phew |
| 16:19.59 | Sicelo | no |
| 16:20.08 | Sicelo | but it doesn't auto-download it :) |
| 16:20.35 | ceene | are you sure? |
| 16:20.44 | Sicelo | if you want the attachment you click it, and only then does it start downloading |
| 16:20.45 | ceene | if that's true then I'm an idiot :D |
| 16:20.56 | Sicelo | IDIOT of the week, haha |
| 16:20.58 | Sicelo | joking |
| 16:20.59 | Sicelo | ;) |
| 16:21.01 | ceene | hahaha |
| 16:21.06 | ceene | well |
| 16:21.11 | ceene | now I'm sad again! |
| 16:21.21 | Sicelo | you still learned something from your efforts |
| 16:21.42 | ceene | that's very true |
| 16:21.45 | Sicelo | and can bring that to mutt, which sadly downloads all junk you get sent :( |
| 16:21.57 | ceene | and push mail is still something nice, as well as calendar and contacts synchronization |
| 16:22.16 | Sicelo | definitely. i'll look at z-push further. |
| 16:22.24 | Sicelo | i would like to close my outlook.com |
| 16:22.48 | Sicelo | but haven't had access to a proper server for stuff like z-push, etc |
| 16:23.25 | ceene | luckily i have acces to a couple from my uni |
| 16:23.38 | ceene | my own copy of ovi repos is in one of them |
| 16:24.40 | ceene | it also seems to be currently maintained |
| 16:24.50 | ceene | so it can only get better (z-push i mean) |
| 16:26.01 | Sicelo | ceene: can i /query you? |
| 16:26.07 | ceene | sure |
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| 18:25.47 | Vajb | Citizen four. Any thoughts? |
| 18:29.46 | APic | Dunno. |
| 18:42.40 | KotCzarny | my first association was 'citizen kane' |
| 18:44.06 | Vajb | documentary of edward snowden. Ring any bells? |
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| 19:19.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | (phonecall recording) I use recaller (recording .wav, the only thing that _can_ worj) and that's working for me since... 5 years now |
| 19:20.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | only annoyance: when 'disk full' it never recovers until boot |
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| 19:21.58 | L29Ah_ | test |
| 19:22.03 | L29Ah_ | uhh |
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| 19:56.07 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: apparently recaller has some serious memory leaks |
| 19:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | does it? |
| 19:56.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | my device been at 60 days uptime at times, maybe 90 |
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| 19:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | (memleaks) if it's really a problem, then a killall hildon-home once a week prolly can't hurt |
| 20:00.19 | Sicelo | yeah. tbh i also never noticed any issues |
| 20:01.03 | Sicelo | but .. the dev didn't abandon it for no reason and put orrechiette instead |
| 20:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's a quite screwed-up implemetation, as a applet (so sub-'process') of hildon desktop |
| 20:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | those desktop applet 'plugins' are a silly concept to start with |
| 20:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | one failing-> whole hildon desktop hangs |
| 20:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | once segfaulting -> reboot loop |
| 20:07.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | one* |
| 20:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's maybe appropriate concept for really lightweight stuff, like... queenbeecon or sth like that, or for weather forecast applet (though I already start feeling stomach ache with that and the access to internet it needs) |
| 20:12.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | for such stuff the benefits from not needing a complete own dedicated process environment are noticeable |
| 20:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | stuff like recaller better was a mature decent own process, no matter what's the GUI |
| 20:21.23 | Sicelo | ceene: lol. just found that my 1st blocked number is now unblocked .. it was maybe 3-4 months ago if 'm not mistaken |
| 20:22.55 | Sicelo | will be testing your 2.0.18 now |
| 20:23.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | how about using temporary account/number for testing new apps? |
| 20:24.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | (not that DocScrutinizer51 would ever suggest using stuff like watsapp) |
| 20:27.09 | Sicelo | tbh most of us wish we didn't have to. unfortunately, we also have real lives .. and real people to communicate with, who cbf about the philosophy of proprietary vs. open standards |
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| 21:31.40 | Sailor6044 | Hello! |
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| 21:36.02 | KotCzarny | not a talkative one, that was |
| 21:50.26 | Sicelo | hey KotCzarny |
| 21:50.32 | KotCzarny | hello |
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| 21:57.20 | ceene | Sicelo: cool, tell me how it goes when you can |
| 21:57.49 | ceene | i was also banned once but reregistered a few months later and the ban had been removed |
| 21:57.54 | ceene | it seems automatic |
| 21:59.51 | Sicelo | yes. this is 2nd time it happens to me. so far so good with Yappari :) |
| 22:00.39 | Sicelo | i am apprehensive about trying a group though, but regular chat seems good till now |
| 22:00.55 | ceene | i understand |
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| 23:48.46 | APic | *grin* |