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| 01:34.01 | stryngs | For those who might want to try things a bit differently withb their n900: http://n900-hackers.org |
| 01:34.09 | stryngs | Enjoy =) It's been a work in progress since 2012! |
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| 03:20.14 | Luke-Jr | stryngs: just software? :P |
| 03:20.26 | stryngs | Luke-Jr: Yes =) |
| 03:20.27 | Luke-Jr | that's like.. normal. not differently :p |
| 03:20.36 | stryngs | Luke-Jr: Oh, it's differently |
| 03:21.09 | stryngs | Luke-Jr: Grab a copy and check it out =) |
| 03:21.33 | Luke-Jr | no time |
| 03:21.47 | Luke-Jr | don't even have time to maintain my N900 distro |
| 03:22.00 | stryngs | Luke-Jr: "your" distro? |
| 03:22.08 | Luke-Jr | stryngs: Gentoo on N900 |
| 03:22.14 | stryngs | Luke-Jr: You have a differnt ..... Ah, pretty neat. |
| 03:22.23 | stryngs | Luke-Jr: chroot enviro? |
| 03:22.45 | Luke-Jr | I haven't maintained booting since 2011 or so, but it used to work <.< |
| 03:22.57 | stryngs | Luke-Jr: chroot or an actual boot? |
| 03:23.11 | Luke-Jr | since 2011, I have only chroot'd; before 2011, actual boot worked |
| 03:23.21 | stryngs | Luke-Jr: What changed? |
| 03:23.32 | Luke-Jr | stryngs: perhaps nothing. I just haven't tried it. |
| 03:23.45 | Luke-Jr | although I think bootmenu has been discontinued, and replaced with some custom U-Boot |
| 03:24.02 | stryngs | Old .debs should work right? |
| 03:24.15 | Luke-Jr | for boot stuff, not necessarily |
| 03:24.49 | Luke-Jr | lately I've found chroot is semi-unworkable too since Gentoo has moved on to newer glibcs (>2.19 won't work on old kernels) |
| 03:25.07 | Luke-Jr | I can still downgrade mine.. but there's no way to bootstrap a new Gentoo on N900 anymore |
| 03:25.12 | stryngs | Luke-Jr: ah |
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| 03:25.31 | stryngs | Luke-Jr: When u ran gentoo, in boot. Did the phone actually work? call, sms, gps, maps, etc..? |
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| 03:28.40 | luke-jr_ | [03:26:01] <Luke-Jr> stryngs: of those, I think I only got GPS and GPRS to work |
| 03:29.15 | stryngs | Luke-Jr: Ah, too bad =/ |
| 03:29.36 | luke-jr_ | my plan now is to migrate to Pyra ASAP :P |
| 03:30.08 | stryngs | Pyra? |
| 03:31.22 | stryngs | Interesting |
| 03:34.24 | luke-jr_ | stryngs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK1B8zpWIAANAIx.jpg:orig |
| 03:36.21 | stryngs | luke-jr_: Definately cool =) Will the wifi nic be able to packet inject? |
| 03:36.41 | luke-jr_ | stryngs: I would hope so, that seems standard these days |
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| 05:24.09 | Tekk_ | anyone know why cutetube2 seems to be so incredibly unstable? |
| 05:24.16 | Tekk_ | Not that cutetube was a paragon of not crashung |
| 05:24.17 | Tekk_ | crashing* |
| 05:24.30 | Tekk_ | is it actually the dev's fault or something underlying in maemo? |
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| 05:27.14 | Tekk_ | I just got it to crash by....doing nothing on a channel's videos page, for example |
| 05:27.24 | Tekk_ | literally just let it sit there a bit while doing something in euro truck simulator |
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| 07:06.07 | Sicelo | Tekk_: you may find it's just some bug in Maemo ... Yappari kinda does the same |
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| 07:26.51 | ceene | indeed |
| 07:26.57 | ceene | when the coredumps Yappari drops are defective themselves |
| 07:27.26 | ceene | well, then you know there's something hidden somewhere |
| 07:28.00 | ceene | not that I'm the most expert coder, but I swear I'm not responsible of everything bad that happens |
| 07:28.08 | KotCzarny | ha. |
| 07:28.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 07:29.23 | ceene | #0 0x41d351b8 in QIODevice::close() () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4 |
| 07:29.25 | ceene | come on |
| 07:29.27 | Sicelo | and my cutetube2 is not crashing, so far :) |
| 07:29.38 | ceene | there's no way a close() can result in a segmentation fault |
| 07:29.57 | KotCzarny | null pointers, null pointers everywhere! |
| 07:30.24 | KotCzarny | recompile qt with debugging symbols? |
| 07:30.32 | KotCzarny | or check if there is -deb package |
| 07:31.21 | KotCzarny | also, compare which version you have installed (ceene and sicelo) |
| 07:31.36 | KotCzarny | and (tekk_) |
| 07:31.51 | ceene | my cutetube2 doesn't crash, although I don't use it much |
| 07:32.08 | ceene | and this thing with yappari... |
| 07:32.20 | ceene | well, I guess you're right and the only way is to debug qt itself |
| 07:32.30 | KotCzarny | still, compare qt versions |
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| 10:57.40 | ender| | i'm trying to register on talk.maemo.org, but keep getting "Registration denied, this forum runs an active policy of not allowing spammers."; i also tried the Contact us link, but received no response |
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| 11:08.08 | buZz | maybe not use a @hotmail.com ;) |
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| 11:54.48 | ender| | i'm using my own domain |
| 12:00.56 | bencoh | ender|: have you tried from a different ip/subnet? |
| 12:02.05 | ender| | not yet |
| 12:04.41 | ender| | same thing |
| 12:04.52 | ender| | (tried from a completely different ISP) |
| 12:13.35 | bencoh | then I guess it doesn't like your domain for some reason (?) |
| 12:31.05 | kerio | are you listed on dnsbl? |
| 12:38.05 | ender| | my home IP and my mailserver aren't listed anywhere (but the second IP i tried registering from is apparently listed on b.barracudacentral.org, pbl.spamhaus.org and zen.spamhaus.org) |
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| 14:57.32 | KotCzarny | woohoo, my second n900 arrived |
| 14:57.37 | KotCzarny | lets see if i got scammed |
| 14:59.07 | kerio | inb4 a literal brick |
| 14:59.23 | KotCzarny | wow, firmware is different |
| 14:59.25 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 15:00.15 | KotCzarny | funnily it kept time while i was inserting sim |
| 15:01.36 | kerio | why are you putting your sim in |
| 15:01.46 | kerio | did you reflash it already |
| 15:02.06 | drathir | it have battery inside... |
| 15:02.19 | drathir | but mostly are dead ones... ;/ |
| 15:02.24 | kerio | drathir: my n900's internal clock lasts for like 3 seconds without a battery |
| 15:03.42 | KotCzarny | drathir, yeah, nmy main doesnt keep time even for quick changes |
| 15:03.56 | drathir | kerio: mine at reallysmooth sim exchange sometimes able to made it w/o clock reset.. |
| 15:04.15 | kerio | yeah but it's a crapshoot |
| 15:04.23 | kerio | KotCzarny: are you switching batteries? |
| 15:04.23 | KotCzarny | previous user had a nice setup |
| 15:04.32 | kerio | KotCzarny: ok so you DID insert your sim |
| 15:04.34 | KotCzarny | kerio, not switching batteries, inserting sim card |
| 15:04.42 | kerio | into a heavily moddable phone |
| 15:05.03 | kerio | that you just bought |
| 15:05.05 | drathir | yea... but wonder if change internal battery could change a little that... |
| 15:05.05 | KotCzarny | kerio, its a free sim, ie no cellular voice, only data |
| 15:05.08 | KotCzarny | and free |
| 15:05.12 | kerio | cool story bro |
| 15:05.19 | kerio | why do you have a free sim with free data |
| 15:05.23 | KotCzarny | ie. i wont pay a cent even if it started dling pr0n |
| 15:05.32 | kerio | i'm pretty sure those only exist in candy lnad |
| 15:05.34 | kerio | land |
| 15:05.39 | KotCzarny | come to poland |
| 15:05.40 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 15:06.22 | KotCzarny | drathir: changing clock battery is possible if you know soldering, but people who do insert capacitor there i think |
| 15:06.34 | kerio | KotCzarny: does internet work in roaming? |
| 15:06.56 | kerio | :> |
| 15:07.05 | kerio | why does your sim card exist, anyway? |
| 15:07.09 | kerio | how fast is mobile internet in poland? |
| 15:07.24 | KotCzarny | this free internet isset to 512kbit/s |
| 15:07.36 | KotCzarny | fastest is lte |
| 15:07.39 | KotCzarny | so far |
| 15:08.02 | kerio | oh, so it's not really internet |
| 15:08.10 | kerio | i was gonna say |
| 15:08.11 | KotCzarny | kerio: that sim exists because one guy got a nice contract for exclusive bandwidth |
| 15:08.30 | KotCzarny | still, 512kbit is enough for maps/mail/www |
| 15:09.05 | kerio | KotCzarny: how many of those sims do you have? |
| 15:09.22 | KotCzarny | 2 |
| 15:09.35 | kerio | i'm pretty sure there's a way to run a VPN over two network connections |
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| 15:10.45 | KotCzarny | nah, once it gained popularity and people started aggregating modems they restricted it to 1hr, then one has to enter captcha in particularly crowded areas |
| 15:12.33 | drathir | and that is more a punishment for bad practices of usage the lte frequencies... |
| 15:14.42 | drathir | they have a choice stop using it until all documents have a correct power or share the free access to the network in theory for free for few years, w/o commercial usage of frequencies... |
| 15:15.49 | drathir | but ofc i guess not free anyway they want more data to assin into program than creating bank account ;p |
| 15:16.18 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: \m/ |
| 15:17.18 | drathir | now support meshnet idea... |
| 15:18.06 | drathir | when i fix my n900 i will try build on it the cjdns... |
| 15:18.46 | drathir | for sure kernel power needed bc of tun support... |
| 15:24.23 | kerio | meshnet doesn't work for mobile devices |
| 15:24.29 | kerio | the power consumption is way too high |
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| 15:41.48 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.52 | KotCzarny | modem works |
| 15:42.01 | KotCzarny | everything works as advertised so far |
| 15:44.28 | kerio | WHY HAVEN'T YOU REFLASHED YET |
| 15:44.42 | KotCzarny | because i want to browse his config |
| 15:44.50 | KotCzarny | and see how users use n900 |
| 15:44.50 | kerio | YOU'RE RUNNING A COMPUTER WITH INTERNET ACCESS AND WIFI IN YOUR HOME |
| 15:44.55 | KotCzarny | so what? |
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| 15:45.02 | KotCzarny | its not on my net |
| 15:45.11 | kerio | KotCzarny: that you know of |
| 15:45.13 | KotCzarny | and that free sim is free |
| 15:47.43 | KotCzarny | well, as far as i know, for wpa protected wifi i would have to enter pass, right? |
| 15:47.45 | KotCzarny | which i didnt |
| 15:47.59 | KotCzarny | so tell me, how it could be on my net? |
| 15:48.44 | bencoh | aybabtu |
| 15:48.54 | bencoh | -- CATS |
| 15:50.58 | KotCzarny | aybabtu? |
| 15:51.23 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 15:51.29 | KotCzarny | nah, not all |
| 15:53.27 | Sicelo | because the previous user had your wpa password & it connected automatically :D |
| 15:53.47 | KotCzarny | yeah, right |
| 15:54.03 | Sicelo | :p |
| 15:54.28 | KotCzarny | still, pretty nice deal for ~25usd |
| 15:54.50 | stryngs | KotCzarny: The orig. owner is watching you pee as we speak. |
| 15:54.57 | Sicelo | yeah. am happy for you (if not green with envy) |
| 15:55.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:55.11 | KotCzarny | sicelo, want me to find one for you too? |
| 15:56.25 | drathir | kerio: cjdns its little different, bc only route if You are the best path... |
| 15:56.58 | drathir | but yea power comsumption should be similar to vpn... ;/ |
| 15:57.46 | Sicelo | i'd like that KotCzarny. but my pocket has big holes right now, & all my coins have fallen off on my way :p |
| 15:58.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:59.00 | drathir | need look at prices n900 long time not checkin them... |
| 15:59.23 | KotCzarny | drathir 30-59usd usually |
| 15:59.43 | KotCzarny | less if you can solder usb port |
| 15:59.54 | KotCzarny | more if you want mint condition |
| 16:07.53 | KotCzarny | wow |
| 16:08.06 | KotCzarny | using backcover from my phone made camera autodetected |
| 16:08.30 | KotCzarny | so its only some little part that broke (in backcover) |
| 16:11.22 | kerio | isn't it just a tiny magnet |
| 16:12.38 | KotCzarny | yeah, but it means only backcover needs fixing and main board is ok |
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| 16:40.50 | KotCzarny | console /dev/ttyMTD0 enabled, does it mean it logs to flash? o.O |
| 16:43.38 | kerio | KotCzarny: that's only for mtdoops, i think |
| 16:43.49 | KotCzarny | uhum |
| 16:52.36 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 16:53.00 | KotCzarny | interestingly, 'cam_shutter gpio 110 is now open' to camera cover is detected |
| 16:53.35 | KotCzarny | wonder what else it needs to fullfill 'start camera app' reqeuirements |
| 16:53.40 | KotCzarny | *requirements |
| 16:57.30 | KotCzarny | also, matrix pr12 theme is pretty |
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| 17:01.49 | kerio | KotCzarny: cam shutter and backplate are two different sensor |
| 17:02.04 | kerio | shutter is a light sensor that looks at the piece of plastic that's either black or white |
| 17:02.05 | KotCzarny | uhum |
| 17:02.10 | kerio | backplate is a magnetic sensor |
| 17:02.24 | kerio | you'll have to glue a tiny piece of fridge magnet in place |
| 17:02.27 | kerio | on the backplate |
| 17:02.33 | KotCzarny | will probably do that |
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| 17:16.47 | Vajb | hmm interesting also other way around. I would never sell my phone without formatting it completely first. |
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| 17:17.38 | KotCzarny | would be nice if previous owner were a girl |
| 17:17.48 | KotCzarny | otherwise, meh |
| 17:20.54 | Vajb | well u never know |
| 17:22.39 | Vajb | today something starnge happened. First i lost internet connection. Then also phone connection. It came back after reboot and cleaning of pin contacts. |
| 17:22.47 | Vajb | strange even |
| 17:24.30 | KotCzarny | dying modem? |
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| 17:26.53 | KotCzarny | but yeah, lost sim contact can do that too |
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| 17:32.30 | Vajb | im afraid of modem dying, but hoping for sim contacts. They look kinda weary. |
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| 17:48.01 | KotCzarny | buahahhaa |
| 17:48.05 | KotCzarny | sd card works |
| 17:48.30 | KotCzarny | so, i just got fully working n900 for ~25usd |
| 17:57.15 | KotCzarny | wow, this guy had extras-devel enabled all the time |
| 17:57.35 | KotCzarny | and apparently his device didnt blow up |
| 17:58.00 | kerio | has extras-devel and community-devel enabled full time |
| 17:59.37 | KotCzarny | but that just means people do such things |
| 18:03.59 | KotCzarny | also, he was using fapman |
| 18:07.03 | KotCzarny | oscp works beautifully as a media player |
| 18:07.30 | KotCzarny | system one is just a mess when it comes to presenting collection |
| 18:13.43 | KotCzarny | also, he is using cssu-thumb |
| 18:13.44 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 18:22.17 | Vajb | hmm did someone sent u my other phone... |
| 18:25.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:25.12 | KotCzarny | were you using matrix pr12 theme? |
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| 18:35.59 | Vajb | ah right, nope |
| 18:36.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:36.16 | KotCzarny | i must say that theme looks pretty (again) |
| 18:36.18 | Vajb | im using windows7 theme |
| 18:36.49 | Vajb | hmm maybe i give it a try |
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| 18:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bupbat |
| 18:43.29 | infobot | i guess bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/Art-2112777-TAIYO-YUDEN-PAS414HR-VA5R-KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 |
| 18:43.58 | KotCzarny | doc: this n900 is 4 years old, still has working bupbat |
| 18:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | those *are* capacitors |
| 18:44.06 | KotCzarny | unless someone modded it into cap |
| 18:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0.06F capacitor |
| 18:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka 60000uF |
| 18:44.49 | KotCzarny | doc: but originally n900s had lith bat? |
| 18:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | crap |
| 18:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | all dead after 1 year |
| 18:45.43 | KotCzarny | then as i said, someone must've modded this n900 with cap |
| 18:45.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | capacitors supposed to last "eternally" |
| 18:45.57 | KotCzarny | unless it magically works after 4 years |
| 18:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:46.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe he never used the device? |
| 18:46.33 | KotCzarny | nope, it LOOKS used |
| 18:46.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | disassemble and check ;-) |
| 18:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 |
| 18:47.23 | KotCzarny | maybe ill will if i get around replacing kb keys |
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| 18:47.42 | KotCzarny | still, im amazed i got fully working n900 for 25usd |
| 18:48.13 | Vajb | me too. Just spotted one for sale for 70Z |
| 18:48.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:48.21 | Vajb | 70⬠|
| 18:50.09 | KotCzarny | ~bq2700 |
| 18:50.13 | KotCzarny | ~bq2700.sh |
| 18:50.15 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 18:50.18 | KotCzarny | what was the name? |
| 18:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail |
| 18:52.37 | infobot | bq27k-detail is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 18:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys bq27 |
| 18:53.18 | KotCzarny | ~bq27200 |
| 18:53.18 | infobot | bq27k-detail is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 18:54.27 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 18:54.32 | KotCzarny | i was using different script |
| 18:54.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | see the dir ot's in there too |
| 18:55.22 | KotCzarny | one using i2cget |
| 18:55.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ |
| 18:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | they prolly all do |
| 18:55.46 | KotCzarny | bq27200.sh |
| 18:55.49 | KotCzarny | thats the one |
| 18:56.21 | KotCzarny | btw. mine has RS=20 there |
| 18:56.26 | KotCzarny | what's that param? |
| 18:57.24 | KotCzarny | - DCC CHAT (WBOARD) request from DocScrutinizer05 rejected because it specified reserved port |
| 18:57.24 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.40 | KotCzarny | just use query i guess |
| 18:57.43 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
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| 18:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ECLICK |
| 18:57.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: RS=shunt resistor in milliOhms |
| 18:58.52 | KotCzarny | bq27200.sh on your site has -22 there |
| 18:59.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that seems accurate walue and results in 10% different results |
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| 19:00.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | howeve ryou can override it by using RS=55555 bq27200.sh iirc |
| 19:01.15 | KotCzarny | anyway, thx for the link |
| 19:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 19:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | RS=${RS:-22} |
| 19:02.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | means it assigns 22 to RS var only if there's no RS already existing |
| 19:02.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | so a |
| 19:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | RS=20 bq27200.sh |
| 19:02.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | will override that |
| 19:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | the good old method of parameter passing from unix plaeozen |
| 19:04.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | when processes knew shit about argc and argv |
| 19:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | (disclaimer: maybe I'm making this up right now ;-D ) |
| 19:09.15 | KotCzarny | amazing, this n900 has battery with lmd: 1242 |
| 19:09.21 | KotCzarny | cool |
| 19:09.33 | KotCzarny | ci:0 |
| 19:09.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: will the neo900 have 3d touch |
| 19:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5D |
| 19:12.52 | KotCzarny | ~speedyham |
| 19:12.52 | infobot | speedyham is, like, 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 19:12.54 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 19:13.07 | KotCzarny | why its not in stable repo? |
| 19:13.12 | KotCzarny | (cssu-stable) |
| 19:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it? |
| 19:14.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: will it have 4k video |
| 19:14.31 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/ returns 404 |
| 19:14.34 | kerio | and a rose metal finish |
| 19:14.58 | KotCzarny | kerio: pinkphone? |
| 19:15.25 | kerio | KotCzarny: "hey ladies come buy our iphone it's pink now" - apple |
| 19:16.05 | KotCzarny | 'hey ladies, check our multiple vibra patterns' |
| 19:16.18 | KotCzarny | 3D vibra |
| 19:16.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: please check website under "specs" |
| 19:16.24 | KotCzarny | no other phone has it |
| 19:16.41 | KotCzarny | and a special waterproof finish |
| 19:17.35 | kerio | i'm pretty sure that the n900's touch screen has some form of pressure sensor |
| 19:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | is too busy for such games and heads on doing some more pressing stuff, while discarding resilts of apt-cache policy hildon-application-manager |
| 19:18.46 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 19:18.56 | KotCzarny | why is it named hildon-application-manager and not speedyham? |
| 19:20.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/ |
| 19:22.30 | KotCzarny | he he. 'root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.' |
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| 19:30.54 | KotCzarny | hmm, can catalog details be edited in ham/speedyham? |
| 19:31.14 | KotCzarny | field light up, cursor shows but i cant enter text |
| 19:31.22 | KotCzarny | do i have to delete and recreate ? |
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| 19:33.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 19:34.24 | KotCzarny | doc, i found it, just thought its named speedyham (so i was trying apt-get install speedyham) |
| 19:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yiou can't edit or delete base catalogs |
| 19:35.12 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 19:35.28 | KotCzarny | so i have to simply disable them and create muarf ones? |
| 19:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if you even can disable them |
| 19:36.07 | KotCzarny | its annoying to see 'some catalogs failed to refresh' |
| 19:36.42 | KotCzarny | but i must say speedyham does its job nicely |
| 19:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list et al |
| 19:37.02 | KotCzarny | and n900 as a whole works wonderfully |
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| 19:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody complaining about N900 being slow or battery-greedy shal STFU unless they installed CSSU |
| 19:49.35 | KotCzarny | nope, stock works wonderfully too |
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| 19:49.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU has many fixes for nasty bugs |
| 19:50.05 | KotCzarny | also, this partcilular one has cssu-thumb enabled |
| 19:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | stock works until you for example install apmefo and the display manager starts buncing up and down the scrollwindow a 500 times a second by exactly zero pixels |
| 19:50.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i installed cssu but the neo900 is still too expensive for me :'( |
| 19:50.49 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 19:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: so? |
| 19:51.01 | kerio | KotCzarny: it happens |
| 19:51.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm sad :( |
| 19:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't help |
| 19:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | well,maybe I can, once we built them |
| 19:52.49 | KotCzarny | btw. what does blinking white led mean in cssu? |
| 19:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | blinking white? never seen |
| 19:53.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: at this point i'm hoping for some rich dude to buy one, get disappointed and sell it on ebay for cheap |
| 19:53.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware there's a thing called LED-pattern-editor? |
| 19:54.00 | KotCzarny | doc, i'm new at this whole n900 maemo thing |
| 19:54.09 | kerio | KotCzarny: reflash dat shit really |
| 19:54.16 | bencoh | KotCzarny: "new" ?! |
| 19:54.17 | kerio | and install cssu-thumb |
| 19:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 19:54.26 | KotCzarny | i have cssu-thumb |
| 19:54.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you have rubbish somebody else installed |
| 19:54.41 | KotCzarny | and cssu-testing |
| 19:54.49 | KotCzarny | yeah, just playing with it now |
| 19:54.57 | KotCzarny | reflashing will start after weekend |
| 19:55.22 | kerio | the fuck |
| 19:55.26 | KotCzarny | is there a way to shutoff gsm module and leave wifi enabled? |
| 19:55.29 | kerio | reflashing takes literally |
| 19:55.30 | kerio | like |
| 19:55.34 | kerio | 20 seconds? |
| 19:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and extremely deprecated approach |
| 19:55.49 | bencoh | kerio: maybe he just want to explore the device the way the previous user left it :) |
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| 19:55.57 | bencoh | like, you know, discover how other people use it :) |
| 19:56.01 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 19:56.05 | KotCzarny | and see if its stable |
| 19:56.24 | KotCzarny | repos were a mess |
| 19:56.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: yes, it's called tablet-mode but you don't want to install that to a device with rubbish on rootfs |
| 19:56.37 | KotCzarny | having skeiron ones and even skeiron extras-devel |
| 19:56.49 | bencoh | doesnt tablet-mode disable wireless in maemo? |
| 19:57.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's aitrplane mode |
| 19:57.20 | KotCzarny | 'offline mode' to be exact |
| 19:57.31 | KotCzarny | someone should rename it to 'airplane mode' he he |
| 19:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, it's avi-invocation away |
| 19:58.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | a vi invocation... |
| 19:58.17 | KotCzarny | doc, i mean in deb in repo |
| 19:58.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | why the heck would we do that? |
| 19:58.46 | KotCzarny | to be consistent with other mobiles? |
| 19:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | to give everybody the "WTF they did *now*?" of the month? |
| 19:59.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:59.30 | bencoh | :)) |
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| 19:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | we don't *want* to be fucking consistent with other crap |
| 19:59.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | get crap when you want to be cosistent with crap |
| 20:00.03 | KotCzarny | isnt nokia's most of the ui barfs came from being consistent? |
| 20:00.16 | KotCzarny | pity i cant change what it was called in symbian |
| 20:00.24 | KotCzarny | s/change/check/ |
| 20:00.29 | bencoh | oh, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/cell-modem-ui/ ... okay :) |
| 20:01.06 | KotCzarny | bencoh: nic |
| 20:01.08 | KotCzarny | e |
| 20:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | GO FOR |
| 20:02.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 20:02.26 | infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 20:02.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | !!! |
| 20:02.58 | KotCzarny | easy, this baby wlll get a hell of flashing soon |
| 20:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | make a backup of current system if you're eafer to do forensics |
| 20:03.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | eager even |
| 20:04.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you live in a new flat for 3 months with the old wallpapers to get an idea how the former resident felt, before you refurbish it? |
| 20:04.41 | KotCzarny | this device is gonna be called n900-devel |
| 20:04.47 | KotCzarny | which means it will be flashed often |
| 20:04.53 | KotCzarny | its not my main phone |
| 20:05.05 | KotCzarny | sim card has voice disabled, and data is free |
| 20:05.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme put it this way: maybe former owner had a reason to sell the device and that reason was somehow related to the software he installed |
| 20:05.39 | KotCzarny | doc, for 25usd i would expect heavy breakage |
| 20:05.55 | KotCzarny | yet, everything seems to be working |
| 20:06.13 | KotCzarny | only thing that was also in ad is missing cover magnet |
| 20:06.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, probanly he got a malware that exposed him to flickr in a very intimidating situation |
| 20:06.34 | KotCzarny | which results in mmc not mounting (which previous owner didnt realize was easy to fix) |
| 20:08.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, install BM (when it's not already in there, which I actually doubt) make a BM backup and then FLASH that thing to stock |
| 20:08.35 | KotCzarny | nah |
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| 20:08.59 | KotCzarny | ill be tinkering with nand and rootfs on it, so bm is not needed |
| 20:09.10 | KotCzarny | ill flash it next week |
| 20:09.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: he put his fucking sim card in |
| 20:09.28 | KotCzarny | just exploring new device from 'new user view' |
| 20:09.49 | kerio | KotCzarny: IT'S NOT NEW |
| 20:09.58 | NIN101 | you guys should learn to calm down. |
| 20:10.00 | KotCzarny | its not fucking sim, 512kbit is not enough for redtube |
| 20:10.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, from old user perspective. Well, I can't help then. It's *your* complete fun that goes down the drain |
| 20:11.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: LOL |
| 20:12.18 | KotCzarny | seriously, you guys are ocd or what? |
| 20:12.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | muses over >>ill be tinkering with nand and rootfs on it, so bm is not needed<< and wonders if it's worth trying to make sense of that statement |
| 20:13.24 | KotCzarny | doc: this wont be my main device, only dev tool |
| 20:13.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? |
| 20:13.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | BM is pure GOLD particularly for devel devices |
| 20:13.59 | KotCzarny | not in my case |
| 20:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 20:14.17 | KotCzarny | i'll be going for different boot/rootfs setup |
| 20:14.24 | bencoh | 23:09 < NIN101> you guys should learn to calm down. |
| 20:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? |
| 20:14.27 | bencoh | +1 :-) |
| 20:14.44 | KotCzarny | so ^ |
| 20:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I'm afk, this is futile useless waste of time |
| 20:15.24 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: it's not a waste of time, just exposing different viewpoits :) |
| 20:15.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | another word for "wasting time" |
| 20:16.07 | bencoh | mwarf :) |
| 20:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | "I didn't make backups of those drawings, they were not finished yet, I still tested various alternatives" |
| 20:18.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware you should make backups even of broken system before restoring another backup to unbreak? |
| 20:19.47 | kerio | i wonder if my laptop can fastcharge the n900 |
| 20:20.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're further aware there's a thing like partial restore? And BM backups are mere tarballs that could resore one file or a complete system incl all customization? |
| 20:20.57 | KotCzarny | doh, doc, you dont know what i'll be doing, yet, you try to bully your (one and only) point of view |
| 20:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know you could even create a fiasco image from a BM backup file? And then flash that |
| 20:21.16 | KotCzarny | bm is fine, but i dont need it |
| 20:21.23 | KotCzarny | not yet |
| 20:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | not bullying, just "exposing different viewpoits" |
| 20:22.39 | KotCzarny | difference between exposing and forcing your view with shouting is quite visible |
| 20:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, I noticed weeks ago that KotCzarny is particularly immune to advice based on experience |
| 20:23.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | how could I *force* anything except kicks in IRC? |
| 20:24.04 | KotCzarny | you arent aware what you are doing, are you? |
| 20:24.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wosign offers 3-year ssl certs for free! |
| 20:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you miffing me for tlaking as much as you usually do? |
| 20:24.30 | KotCzarny | good tech, but quirky social/communicative skills |
| 20:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm elaborating on BM features. Do you see sth different? |
| 20:25.54 | KotCzarny | yes, i've said i dont need it yet, but you ignored that part |
| 20:26.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I#m telling you that you'll miss all the fun when you play with a used toothbrush |
| 20:26.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can ignore you any time I like |
| 20:26.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to do the same. Wait, you more often than not already do |
| 20:27.16 | KotCzarny | doc, its your opinion, i know what im doing, do you know what everyone is doing? |
| 20:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | *plonk* |
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| 20:28.55 | bencoh | erf |
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| 20:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | finally needs to stop headdesking about "backups are useless for my special case. I want to tinker with NAND, you know" |
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| 20:45.43 | KotCzarny | you worry too much |
| 20:45.53 | KotCzarny | and about things that didnt happen |
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| 20:48.17 | KotCzarny | hmm, original back cover is ~3usd |
| 20:48.57 | KotCzarny | splitting magnets is hard to get right |
| 20:58.31 | KotCzarny | as for the white blink, its 'device on' pattern |
| 20:58.37 | KotCzarny | unticks |
| 21:07.02 | Sicelo | crazy pattern. why would someone need it? |
| 21:07.48 | KotCzarny | dont know, maybe similar to old people needing audibly ticking clock |
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| 21:12.57 | Sicelo | :D |
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| 21:31.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: ooh, actually the default breathing light is a white slow pulsing, until you change that to something more useful |
| 21:31.20 | kerio | good old battery drain |
| 21:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nah. that's a mere 5mA with a duty cycle of <1/10, so the battery would support it for some 2500h |
| 21:32.37 | KotCzarny | still |
| 21:32.47 | kerio | hm |
| 21:32.55 | kerio | i was going to say that it reduces the lifespan |
| 21:33.02 | kerio | but it's really about the same as leaving a notification unread isnt it |
| 21:33.09 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:33.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | less probably |
| 21:33.30 | KotCzarny | but difference being its pulsing all the time |
| 21:33.38 | KotCzarny | instead of just on notifications sometimes |
| 21:33.59 | Sicelo | my question was more on .. why does one need "confirmation" that the device is on? i found it weird, and never once enabled that |
| 21:34.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: I like to know my device is on and I'm actually seeing any possible notification |
| 21:35.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: you know, and decent warning lamp is not off/red but green/red for the same reason |
| 21:35.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/and/any/ |
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| 21:35.52 | kerio | actually something that i'd like is nand and usd activity on the led |
| 21:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's so damn easy |
| 21:36.07 | kerio | the sheevaplug can do it |
| 21:36.11 | KotCzarny | cpu maybe? |
| 21:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio check out /sys/*/*/$LED nodes |
| 21:36.54 | kerio | does it have nand-disk? |
| 21:36.57 | kerio | also, won't mce complain |
| 21:38.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /sys/class/leds/lp5523:b/trigger ->[none] timer heartbeat mmc0 mmc1 |
| 21:38.25 | kerio | neat |
| 21:38.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | no NAND |
| 21:38.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 21:39.10 | kerio | the sheevaplug's blue led has nand-disk as one of the triggers |
| 21:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | recompile the kernel module (if it's even a module) |
| 21:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never wrapped my head around why them kerneldevs *hardcoded* the pissoble triggers |
| 21:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible* :-P |
| 21:41.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually that trigger thing looks pretty much like a hack or an afterthought |
| 21:42.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't tell Poettering about it, he will see a usecase for kdbus in it |
| 21:42.42 | kerio | systemd-ledd |
| 21:42.56 | kerio | systemd-blinkend |
| 21:43.08 | KotCzarny | systemd-keypressed |
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| 21:47.12 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: trigger is feature of linux kernel led subsystem |
| 21:47.29 | Pali | it can be extended by any new trigger (just writing .ko module) |
| 21:48.03 | KotCzarny | doc, catalogs can be disabled in: /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues |
| 21:48.22 | Pali | ~poettering |
| 21:48.22 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal |
| 21:48.25 | KotCzarny | because ham and speedyham uses it and overwrites /etc/apte one |
| 21:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ((feature of linux kernel led subsystem)) of course. ((can be extended)) yes, that's what I suggested |
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| 21:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: ok, B rating for being late on repeating what I told you. If you had been faster, it could have been an A |
| 21:54.21 | KotCzarny | <DocScrutinizer05> edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list et al |
| 21:54.26 | KotCzarny | this is wring |
| 21:54.28 | KotCzarny | *wrong |
| 21:54.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | no it's not |
| 21:54.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you are wrong |
| 21:54.46 | KotCzarny | if one uses ham or speedyham its wrong |
| 21:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | google "et al" |
| 21:55.14 | KotCzarny | nope, your answer is wrong |
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| 21:55.41 | KotCzarny | still wrong. |
| 21:55.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | F U |
| 21:56.10 | Sicelo | owh! |
| 21:56.14 | KotCzarny | right answer is pointing to /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues |
| 21:56.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly google for "idot" |
| 21:56.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | idiot even |
| 21:56.44 | KotCzarny | google bully |
| 21:57.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't need your lessons on maemo management |
| 21:57.29 | KotCzarny | you clearly written 'edit /etc/apt' |
| 21:57.38 | KotCzarny | not 'google ..' |
| 21:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you clearly ignored "et al" |
| 21:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you prolly never heard it |
| 21:58.08 | KotCzarny | any wrong answer could be appended by 'et al' |
| 21:58.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you act not like 14 year old as I suggested a few weeks ago, you act like a 7 year old |
| 21:58.42 | KotCzarny | and you act like a bully |
| 21:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and you're begging for a ban instead a kick |
| 21:59.07 | KotCzarny | provided wrong answer, then kicking, then suggesting 'et al mean google' |
| 21:59.20 | KotCzarny | *means |
| 21:59.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMG you really are a tad thick, eh? |
| 21:59.45 | KotCzarny | eot. |
| 21:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah better that |
| 22:00.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>google "et al"<< vs >>suggesting 'et al mean google'<< |
| 22:01.16 | KotCzarny | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/et_al. |
| 22:01.21 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hoory another B for finally getting the meaning of a 2 items "sentence" |
| 22:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | now rethink >>"edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list et al (*and others*) " this is wrong << |
| 22:03.36 | KotCzarny | you are using "et al" wrong |
| 22:03.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 22:03.56 | KotCzarny | also, sleepy time. nite nite |
| 22:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | STFU twit |
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| 22:25.10 | Sicelo | libshiboken .. what a weird name! |
| 22:28.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if that guy is a relative of estel_ - or maybe even himself |
| 22:28.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: yeah I always wondered what it reminds me to |
| 22:29.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are a few weird names, shiboken, pango, and then some more |
| 22:30.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | only can find shibboleth |
| 22:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and pangolin |
| 22:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe pingo |
| 22:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/himself/is estel himself/ |
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