| 00:02.34 | Oksana | Well, I have yet to solder back microUSB port, so I have to shut-down-replace-battery-start-up fairly often. Add to that that I tried to recover filesystem on a corrupted microSD card, and the files copied from it may contribute to 'corruption' of MyDocs. And my phone was required by one repairer as water-damaged as a way to refuse repairing its microUSB port. |
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| 00:02.54 | Oksana | described* by one repairer |
| 00:05.52 | Oksana | So yes, I can use neither map, nor camera, during first five minutes after start-up. At least, I can use email - it's stored in /home/user - as long as home is not too full |
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| 02:06.47 | KotCzarny | oksana: mkdir -p /scratchbox; ln -s /usr /scratchbox/tools |
| 02:06.53 | KotCzarny | might work, might not |
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| 03:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, this is a very reasonable sugestion |
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| 03:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: (fsck) copy all your data from MyDocs to uSD, then do a mkfs.vfat on that partition and copy back all the stuff from uSD |
| 03:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and probably you should give device enough time to shut down. you must not remove batery as soon as the LED fades to dark, device will stay powered and shutting down quite a few dozen seconds longer than that |
| 03:25.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | tip: edit LED pattern for shutdown so it doesn't end with a dark LED bit maybe a dim white LED. This way you see exactly how long the device stays on after shutdown start |
| 03:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ bit / but / |
| 03:26.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900/Nokia did massive cheating here ;-) |
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| 03:28.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | until you've edited your shutdown LED pattern: *shortly* (<0.5s) pressing the power button will do nothing as long as device still is shutting down in "act-totally-dead" mode with dark LEDs, and after shutdown and power-off actually finished, it results in short lighting up of LED. Device does _not_ power up when you press button very shortly |
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| 04:04.00 | KotCzarny | doc, i think that led tip should be implemented for all |
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| 04:04.09 | KotCzarny | if it really powersdown so long |
| 04:13.58 | Vajb | further observation of Qml-browser in m.facebook.com. It actually opens inbox, but not individual messages. It just shows white screen, if message is clicked to open, from inbox. |
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| 06:33.19 | Oksana | has already edited LED pattern to cycling-infinitely one (green-purple-white), precisely for that reason . However, the device tends to restart instead of shut-down, after a power-button-long-press, which is trying for my patience |
| 06:34.39 | ceene | Oksana: why dont you manually fsck your MyDocs partition and fix whatever is wrong? |
| 06:35.15 | ceene | my n900 restarts too frequently instead of shutting down |
| 06:35.20 | Oksana | Probably will. Not sure which switches to use. Currently, according to logs, it uses -a switch |
| 06:36.07 | Oksana | Is it some dirt stuck in power-key, or what could be the reason for restart instead of shut-down? |
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| 06:44.28 | ceene | dunno |
| 06:44.44 | ceene | i've tried lots of things but never reached any conclusion |
| 06:47.04 | ceene | run fsck without options, fsck /dv/whatever, it'll ask you to decide how to fix things |
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| 07:43.03 | Maxdamantus | wonders if his SD card has run out of write cycles or something. |
| 07:43.42 | Maxdamantus | Apparently unable to write anything to it on multiple devices .. the next read just comes back with its previous contents. |
| 07:46.33 | Maxdamantus | Maybe that's what was causing my system to crash, not the ext4 driver. |
| 07:46.57 | Maxdamantus | (that card has been used for swap for a year or so) |
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| 08:09.57 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 08:11.03 | KotCzarny | isnt longpress similar to 4s power button on pc? |
| 08:11.23 | KotCzarny | ie. immediate poweroff instead of powerdown call? |
| 08:11.45 | KotCzarny | and if so, maybe it powersoff then button is still kept and wakes the device |
| 08:11.57 | Maxdamantus | I don't think so. |
| 08:12.28 | Maxdamantus | I think it still relies on software. I've sometimes had to just push the battery out when it crashes. |
| 08:12.52 | KotCzarny | another guess would be shutdown reason not being saved, and n900 never really powersoff just goes into 'hidden sleep' mode and it interprets is as a reboot call |
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| 10:41.16 | shapeshifter | Do you fellas know if callerx (the call blocking app) is any good? |
| 10:41.31 | KotCzarny | just try it? |
| 10:42.38 | KotCzarny | i've only used pycallblock or something |
| 10:42.49 | KotCzarny | it had some problems not remembering numbers after reboot |
| 10:45.16 | shapeshifter | I constantly get calls from a bunch of number blocks. I'm trying it now. Hoping it supports wildacards |
| 10:45.29 | KotCzarny | does it have any manual? |
| 11:02.14 | shapeshifter | No. I looked at the source. Seems like it should work for prefix wildcards |
| 11:02.37 | shapeshifter | Because it uses callerNumber.startsWith(blacklistNumber) |
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| 13:12.52 | ceene | how come people are not receiving messages sent to them on Yappari? |
| 13:13.12 | ceene | i'm as perplex as anyone |
| 13:13.23 | KotCzarny | ignore lists? |
| 13:13.32 | KotCzarny | some settings? |
| 13:13.41 | KotCzarny | protocol changes? |
| 13:13.42 | ceene | yappari doesn't filter out messages |
| 13:13.49 | ceene | and I do receive everything sent to me |
| 13:13.49 | KotCzarny | but server can |
| 13:14.16 | ceene | dunno |
| 13:14.18 | ceene | a friend of mine |
| 13:14.22 | ceene | has a very different problem |
| 13:14.30 | ceene | he and her gf use official whatsapp clients |
| 13:14.41 | ceene | but a third person seems to be able to read what they talk about |
| 13:14.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:14.52 | ceene | and to speak to him as if he were the gf |
| 13:15.09 | ceene | i was supposed to help him since i'm the wa "expert" |
| 13:15.15 | KotCzarny | one of them logged to him? joined him into three-way room? |
| 13:15.26 | ceene | but WA doesn't support several connections at the same time |
| 13:15.37 | ceene | nope, the messages this third person sends look like sent from the gf |
| 13:15.51 | ceene | as if he had control of the gf's phone |
| 13:15.55 | KotCzarny | maybe she logged in on his computer |
| 13:16.02 | ceene | but the phone has been flashed and all that |
| 13:16.04 | KotCzarny | tell her to change the password |
| 13:16.36 | ceene | yep, I told her to change passwords and re-register on whatsapp |
| 13:16.53 | ceene | but it's got me confused |
| 13:17.05 | ceene | he shouldn't be able to login with another phone posing as her |
| 13:17.11 | KotCzarny | http://www.spymasterpro.com/blog/how-to-check-my-husbands-whatsapp-chats/ |
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| 13:17.31 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 13:17.44 | ceene | i thought about that, but her phone has been flashed, so there are no backdoors |
| 13:17.59 | KotCzarny | maybe its the other person device? |
| 13:18.06 | ceene | it's quite strange |
| 13:18.25 | KotCzarny | does wa have status page about all logins and connected sessions? |
| 13:18.32 | ceene | mmmmm |
| 13:18.36 | ceene | don't know about that |
| 13:18.37 | ceene | maybe |
| 13:18.48 | ceene | i was a bit more drastic and told him to report it to the police |
| 13:18.51 | ceene | :) |
| 13:18.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:19.10 | ceene | but anyway, the tecnichal aspect of the thing has got me confused |
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| 13:40.06 | bencoh | 16:14 < ceene> but a third person seems to be able to read what they talk about |
| 13:40.36 | bencoh | ceene: isnt it just some silly stupid conversation group artefact? |
| 13:43.46 | ceene | bencoh: nope |
| 13:43.56 | ceene | the strangest thing of all |
| 13:44.01 | ceene | is the 3rd person sends messages |
| 13:44.05 | ceene | but look like sent from the gf |
| 13:44.15 | KotCzarny | then he is logged as her |
| 13:44.21 | ceene | yep, so it seems |
| 13:44.29 | ceene | but that simply can't be, can it? |
| 13:44.31 | KotCzarny | changing pass should fix it |
| 13:44.38 | ceene | WA doesn't allow two clients connected at the same time |
| 13:44.44 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 13:45.05 | ceene | so even if this guy could login as her and send messages as her |
| 13:45.09 | ceene | he couldn't read past conversations |
| 13:45.24 | ceene | so he must be intercepting them in real time |
| 13:45.52 | bencoh | or someone is doing a prank on him |
| 13:46.49 | ceene | i don't think so, the thing seems a bit... serious |
| 13:47.42 | ceene | he seems to randomly stalk her as well, so it's definitely not a joke between friends |
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| 13:48.13 | KotCzarny | but if she reflashed as you've said, then there is only possibility of: compromised router (at her or his place), multiple logins or the guys client |
| 13:48.43 | ceene | yep |
| 13:48.55 | ceene | i believe the multiple logins things may be it |
| 13:49.00 | ceene | but as far as i know it shouldn't be possible |
| 13:49.22 | ceene | in the meantime, i've just recommended them to re-register her phone number on WA, even asking for a SIM duplicate with a different IMSI |
| 13:49.25 | KotCzarny | also, you can try sending mail to staff at WA |
| 13:49.32 | ceene | do they answer? |
| 13:49.38 | ceene | i've never talked to them |
| 13:49.49 | KotCzarny | emails are cheap |
| 13:49.52 | ceene | :) |
| 13:50.01 | ceene | that's very true |
| 13:50.03 | KotCzarny | also, legal action can be nice motivation |
| 13:50.51 | ceene | yes, the situation seems to be such that i wouldn't care a lot about the WA thing, his appearing randomly at my job or my house seem much more frightening |
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| 14:24.56 | Vajb | shapeshifter: i use callerx in whitelist mode, but it is not too convenient. Sometimes it just blocks all calls without me changing anything. So i need to make disable-enable cycle once a day to prevent that. It's somewhat annying though. |
| 14:27.01 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 14:27.17 | stryngs | Oksana: All tests proved successful, doing last last flash to ensure stability and then I will provide you with the .deb you need. I'll even go above and make it optified for ya =) |
| 14:27.29 | stryngs | Oksana: Sorry for the long delay, a flash can take time sometimes =) |
| 14:29.02 | KotCzarny | its irc |
| 14:29.11 | KotCzarny | its normal here |
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| 15:21.08 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 you were right, it was the cable |
| 15:21.17 | erlehmann | i got a new one and the n900 works |
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| 17:47.55 | stryngs | Has anyone flashed recently and gone to CSSU lately?? Would love to know the ETA from begin to end . |
| 17:50.08 | KotCzarny | im going when my n900 arrives |
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| 17:58.07 | totalizator | KotCzarny: oh? another sheep in a flock? |
| 17:58.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:58.28 | KotCzarny | went ahead and bought two more |
| 17:58.36 | totalizator | @__@ |
| 17:58.39 | KotCzarny | one will be called testing and one devel |
| 17:58.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:59.12 | totalizator | or Beavis and Butt-head :3 |
| 17:59.26 | KotCzarny | you forgot about the third one |
| 17:59.53 | totalizator | MOM. |
| 18:00.18 | KotCzarny | i was wondering abouth fourth but it was sold quickly (30pln+shipping) |
| 18:00.37 | totalizator | wwwhat? |
| 18:00.41 | KotCzarny | yup, olx |
| 18:00.44 | totalizator | in what condition? |
| 18:00.56 | totalizator | working? |
| 18:00.59 | KotCzarny | i think it was working, dont remember the breakage |
| 18:01.04 | KotCzarny | but devel worthy |
| 18:01.28 | KotCzarny | i would have flashed living sh*t out of it :P |
| 18:01.46 | totalizator | well, all spare parts I've got is a plastic keyboard border |
| 18:02.13 | totalizator | I bet you would :3 |
| 18:02.14 | KotCzarny | the ones i bough are 150pln (fully working but swedish) and 90pln (sd slot dead) |
| 18:02.23 | KotCzarny | *bought |
| 18:02.28 | totalizator | gosh - still a bargain |
| 18:02.31 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 18:02.44 | KotCzarny | good usb slot and all |
| 18:03.00 | KotCzarny | if you know a little soldering you can have one for 59pln i think |
| 18:03.09 | KotCzarny | still available i guess |
| 18:03.47 | KotCzarny | ahm, no, broken screen |
| 18:04.02 | KotCzarny | there is one for 100 with broken sim port |
| 18:04.05 | KotCzarny | (or modem) |
| 18:04.08 | totalizator | not interested at the moment - I have one N800 and one N900, both gathering dust now |
| 18:04.17 | KotCzarny | wanna sell your n900? |
| 18:04.33 | totalizator | you have asked before hyhy |
| 18:04.40 | totalizator | not much has changed |
| 18:04.45 | KotCzarny | just in case you change your mind |
| 18:05.18 | totalizator | don't be cruel |
| 18:05.37 | totalizator | I would never do such monstrosity |
| 18:05.44 | KotCzarny | btw. you can try http://www.netsurf-browser.org/about/ |
| 18:05.58 | KotCzarny | didnt compile it yet, but looks promising |
| 18:06.44 | totalizator | I had NS compiled for a framebuffer once |
| 18:07.25 | KotCzarny | People also use NetSurf on other handheld gadgets, such as the Openmoko mobile phone and the Nokia N810 internet tablet |
| 18:07.26 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 18:08.02 | KotCzarny | not in repos tho |
| 18:08.02 | totalizator | got it - netsurf-framebuffer: http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7363/netsurfframebuffer1.png http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/820/netsurfframebuffer2.png |
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| 18:09.36 | totalizator | performance has to be pretty bad unfortunately |
| 18:09.51 | KotCzarny | i have high hopes in it in gtk mode |
| 18:10.02 | totalizator | I doubt it |
| 18:10.17 | totalizator | but hey - let's checkt this out |
| 18:10.42 | KotCzarny | anyway, my n900 just left jelenia gora, maybe ill start devving tomorrow |
| 18:10.45 | KotCzarny | can't wait |
| 18:24.22 | stryngs | Oksana: When you get a moment, please PM me. |
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| 19:14.23 | totalizator | dev it a warm welcome :3 |
| 19:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
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| 19:18.10 | totalizator | â KotCzarny |
| 19:19.38 | bencoh | html4/css2 and a nightly js engine ... hmm |
| 19:20.10 | bencoh | (the js engine is quite new and makes it an interesting alternative to dillo though) |
| 19:23.31 | KotCzarny | totalizator: what do you mean by 'warm' ? |
| 19:26.03 | totalizator | 900MHz minimum |
| 19:26.30 | totalizator | [I have to stop it - my jokes are always so low :D] |
| 19:28.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:35.33 | Wizzup | Managed to start x on the mainline n900 as well - had trouble with gprs and ofono though |
| 20:35.38 | Wizzup | nokia-modem probes with an error |
| 20:35.42 | Wizzup | will elaborate a bit more later |
| 20:35.55 | Wizzup | s/mainline/pali's mainline + patches kernel/ |
| 20:36.12 | KotCzarny | good new bad news |
| 20:36.41 | erlehmann | Wizzup what are you trying? |
| 20:36.53 | KotCzarny | most likely a native gentoo |
| 20:36.55 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 20:37.01 | Wizzup | yes :) |
| 20:37.06 | Wizzup | touchscreen also seemed to work - but not calibrated yet |
| 20:37.24 | Wizzup | erlehmann: I am trying to get the kernel from elinux.org/N900 to work good enough for a normal gnu/linux |
| 20:37.35 | erlehmann | \o/ |
| 20:37.53 | Wizzup | I mean, I am just playing around / testing. (Many) other people did the hard work on the kernel |
| 20:38.38 | Wizzup | next step is to check if audio still needs some high pass filter, see if audio works, then try gprs again |
| 20:40.01 | NIN101 | good luck :-). |
| 20:40.02 | Sicelo | last played with 3.15. gprs/3g worked fine with debian & arch |
| 20:40.38 | KotCzarny | 3.15 might be new enough for recent glibc |
| 20:42.08 | Sicelo | should stop being lazy & get back to hacking too |
| 20:42.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:43.02 | Sicelo | when i got 2nd N900, that was the idea, but now using it as a 2nd daily phone |
| 20:43.14 | KotCzarny | buy another! |
| 20:44.14 | Sicelo | can't afford one from overseas .. haven't seen one locally. if one turns up, definitely buying it |
| 20:44.33 | Sicelo | usb broken ones i can negotiate down ;) |
| 20:45.05 | KotCzarny | which country? |
| 20:45.11 | Sicelo | South Africa |
| 20:45.35 | Sicelo | or Swaziland (my home country). |
| 20:45.39 | KotCzarny | hmm, a bit to the south |
| 20:48.07 | Sicelo | i'll just have to make the best of the 2 i already have |
| 20:55.52 | stryngs | pokes Oksanaa with a rusty butterknife |
| 20:56.46 | Wizzup | Sicelo: yeah, wrt gprs I think some gpio definitions are missing |
| 20:57.01 | Wizzup | at least that is what the nokia-modem module complains about. but like I said - to be continued later |
| 20:57.04 | Wizzup | been a long day :) |
| 21:00.22 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: glibc or musl, yeah |
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| 21:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Wizzup> next step is to check if audio still needs some high pass filter)) how could that possibly have changed? |
| 21:03.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | the question rather is the next one you posted: if audio works |
| 21:03.59 | KotCzarny | l29ah tried musl and it wasnt good enough |
| 21:04.46 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: it appears to work fine |
| 21:04.54 | Wizzup | I just didn't go through the >1000 switches to figure out which ones |
| 21:05.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 21:05.05 | Wizzup | ARM Chromebooks have similar amount of switches |
| 21:05.15 | Wizzup | Left Speaker Left DAC ... Left Speaker Right DAC ... |
| 21:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, audio mixers are monsters |
| 21:05.26 | Wizzup | Right Speaker Left DAC ... Right Speaker Right DAC... |
| 21:05.27 | Wizzup | yeah. |
| 21:05.33 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: I run it on a few machines, works fine (musl) |
| 21:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you only can get a hold on the meaning of that when you study the datasheet of the mixer |
| 21:06.02 | Wizzup | oh yeah, and hostmode is also something I want to look into a bit later |
| 21:06.09 | Wizzup | yeah, probably... |
| 21:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus the device schematics of course, since more often than not the name of a control is in line with the naming in datasheet but not in line how that signal line / control element is actually used in that particular device |
| 21:08.49 | Wizzup | I was hoping to find someone who used it/worked on it spoonfeed me ;) |
| 21:08.56 | Wizzup | to spoonfeed* |
| 21:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | stereo-line-in goes to e.g. BT and stereo-line-out to the earpiece or maybe the FM radio TX |
| 21:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | (madeup example) |
| 21:10.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then there's a lot of stuff like e.g. sidetone etc which doesn't make sense at all to you unless you understand exactly how the mixer works inside that particular device |
| 21:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | lots of the controls are useless or even a "DONT TOUCH!" |
| 21:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the mixer chip is generic and has lots of features not needed or even messing up stuff in the application at hand |
| 21:11.43 | KotCzarny | yeah, there is a switch to enable voltage on jack detection |
| 21:12.16 | Sicelo | can't you just set them as close as possible to default Maemo settings Wizzup? |
| 21:12.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. you can switch each pair of input and output lines between differential mone and stereo and 2 independent channels. Usually only one of the three matches your usecase |
| 21:12.43 | Wizzup | Sicelo: probably - should try that |
| 21:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/mone/mono/ |
| 21:13.10 | KotCzarny | alsactl store/restore ? |
| 21:13.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | alsactl is sort of redundant |
| 21:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing you couldn't do with amixer as well |
| 21:15.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/1352651 |
| 21:15.46 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: if they are identical then yes |
| 21:16.09 | KotCzarny | dump them then diff |
| 21:16.21 | Wizzup | yep |
| 21:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | use amixer instead alsactl |
| 21:16.53 | Wizzup | ack |
| 21:20.01 | Sicelo | nemo/mer abandoned N900 by the way? |
| 21:21.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: feel free to copy me here |
| 21:21.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: I'd say yes |
| 21:22.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://lwn.net/Articles/420775/ |
| 21:30.11 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: :) |
| 21:30.16 | Wizzup | nn |
| 21:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 21:30.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/1352651 line 111 ff |
| 21:31.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still doubt this is supposed to be in a working state on N900/fremantle, but I have no doubt it *could* get bashed into shape to work |
| 21:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | some devices use a dedicated MCU to "speak" ECI protocol, on N900 there's some hw support for ECI by some volatge comparators that directly interface to the OMAP CPU |
| 21:33.12 | Wizzup | well, if you have one of those nokia headsets still |
| 21:33.15 | Wizzup | they register as in input device |
| 21:33.24 | Wizzup | and have a button to pick up a call |
| 21:33.31 | Wizzup | at least IIRC |
| 21:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | all it needs is a kernel driver getting invoked on an IRQ on the according GPIO pin (called "ECI" iirc ;-D ) and then bitbanging that simple singlewire serial low baudrate protocol |
| 21:34.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, those with one button are not ECI. Those with multiple buttons though are |
| 21:34.33 | Wizzup | aha |
| 21:34.38 | Wizzup | okay -afk :) |
| 21:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 21:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you press a button on an ECI headset, the headset starts serial communication on the mic line, much like you would do very fast morse on a one-button headset holdbutton |
| 21:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | this should trigger the comparators in N900 and cause a GPIO to change state which should cause an IRQ and invoke the kernel handler |
| 21:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | the kernel handler then establishes a half-duplex bidir communication to the ECI, answering the headset's 'request' by similarly pulling mic line to ground like ECI headset does. The headset has a buffer capacitor for the embedded controller power supply so it can work while the power supply line that's what mic line basically is gets pulsed to GND by either the headset itself or the phone |
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| 21:43.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are other kernel drivers working almost identical. See Openmoko Freerunner GTA02 smart battery monitor HDQ singlewire protocol |
| 21:44.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | (HDQ described in datasheet of BQ27200) |
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