| 00:00.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea |
| 00:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no link between what you said and this page |
| 00:00.43 | Oksana | http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=29 http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=34 http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=36 http://maemo.org/vote/votes.php?election_id=39 |
| 00:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not interested in charade games |
| 00:02.17 | Ras_Older | Is there someway that a lonely helpdesk drone could help out the community? I got exprerience running students unions & the works but would be really internesting participating at counsel too if that is possible |
| 00:02.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you linked to a test vote that obviously never got closed and calculated |
| 00:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc I created it for testing purposes and for users to 'test' before doing hot voting |
| 00:03.57 | Oksana | I am just trying to understand why some elections have results auto-calculated, why others have only list of ballots, but no auto-calculated results. Like, is it caused by empty ballots, or by number of ballots being less than 100, or what? Okay, so 39 was never closed, but 34 was closed? http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=34 |
| 00:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | 39 wasn't even an official election it seems. Prolly you ran this without using the election engine interface |
| 00:05.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | "automatic" calculation of results still needs somebody to press the button to start the automatic calculation |
| 00:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | (39 unofficial) at least I can't find a link to vote 39 in http://maemo.org/vote/ |
| 00:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | 34 is the TEST voting I created |
| 00:07.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>TEST election, works with same token but is moot. For you to play with and practice.<< |
| 00:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | 36: >>Practice (test) election - To practice voting<< |
| 00:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | 29: pre new-interface |
| 00:09.38 | Oksana | Anybody can join in council meetings (once a week if I remember correctly; http://talk.maemo.org/tags.php?tag=meeting+minutes ), edit the wiki ( http://wiki.maemo.org/ ), testing applications ( http://wiki.maemo.org/Testing_Squad ), And old-forgotten http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints#Tasks_sprint_process |
| 00:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea what they did back when |
| 00:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 00:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk, getting too involved into that stuff again. I don't care anymore |
| 00:11.30 | Oksana | Okay, so the question is to tell everybody (current council and next council) how to use the proper election engine interface (instead of whatever was used for 39 ), and to check what's happening with mail template and its compatibility with mail-template-editing-interface |
| 00:11.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure I'm fed up with "Anybody can..." |
| 00:19.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh heck, test.run all at the bottom: 39 |
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| 00:19.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | bfc why its sorting position is all the way down, below id=1 |
| 00:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc even |
| 00:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui elections in http://maemo.org/vote/ are supposed to be chronological backwards to the past, most recent one on top |
| 00:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly somebody ran a test_run without providing *any* date for the election |
| 00:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | what still seems to be missing completely: id=40. Maybe a test run somebody actually managed to purge from database after doing it |
| 00:56.43 | Oksana | Oh, that's a funny one: http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/ An old ancestor of fptf? |
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| 03:20.53 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 03:30.22 | Roth | http://i.imgur.com/oQea0S1.jpg |
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| 04:03.53 | Vajb | facebook inbox is not working with QML-browser. Is this known problem? It works with Microb though. |
| 04:04.16 | Vajb | m.facebook.com |
| 04:18.21 | Roth | Vajb, try touch.facebook.com |
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| 04:34.31 | stryngs | thinks, after reading the chatback, that stryngs for maemo President 2016 =) ! |
| 04:35.40 | Vajb | Roth: thx. Will try later. |
| 04:52.54 | Oksana | stryngs: are you the one who wanted to free xchat from scratchbox weirdness? ;-) |
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| 07:12.24 | KotCzarny | *yawns* |
| 07:12.28 | Oksana | I installed libtool on my N900, and when I try to run libtool, it complains about /scratchbox/tools/bin/sed being not found |
| 07:12.58 | KotCzarny | oksana, sdk dpkg were never meant to be installed on device |
| 07:13.01 | KotCzarny | so dont use that repo |
| 07:13.14 | KotCzarny | if you really must grab some old debian ones |
| 07:13.41 | KotCzarny | s/sdk dpkg/sdk debs/ |
| 07:16.05 | KotCzarny | or just compile on device with --prefix=/opt or something |
| 07:16.43 | Oksana | what is libtool for? It looks like super-weird wrapper. libtool --mode=execute somecommand |
| 07:17.04 | KotCzarny | more like for repackaging libs |
| 07:17.43 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.09 | KotCzarny | http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/html_node/Introduction.html#Introduction |
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| 07:21.49 | Oksana | Weird... It's in Extras repository, too, not only in SDK repository. http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/libtool/1.5.26-3maemo1/ |
| 07:23.10 | KotCzarny | then check where your's came from |
| 07:23.17 | KotCzarny | apt-cache policy libtool |
| 07:23.48 | KotCzarny | and that could mean someone just put sdk's one into extras |
| 07:26.30 | Oksana | apt-cache policy libtool lists both device repository and sdk repository, and version numbers are same. How to figure it out? |
| 07:27.00 | KotCzarny | disable sdk repo, apt-get update, apt-get install --reinstall libtool |
| 07:27.12 | KotCzarny | or even without --reinstall |
| 07:27.28 | KotCzarny | and as i said, you shouldnt use sdk repo on device |
| 07:27.58 | Oksana | From apt-cache show libtool, the MD5Sum matches the one in Extras repository. And yes, will disable SDK repository |
| 07:28.41 | KotCzarny | then most likely someone just grabbed sdk libtool and just upped it to extras-devel without checking patches and control |
| 07:29.37 | Oksana | Likely. Exactly same changelog |
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| 07:30.47 | Oksana | But how did it go from extras-devel to extras... |
| 07:31.02 | KotCzarny | it needs only 10 people to push it through |
| 07:31.16 | KotCzarny | no testing team available |
| 07:34.36 | Oksana | Okay, posted a comment. Will the maintainer be notified, or should I email him? /looks like making xchat compile on-device requires taking care of libtool, first/ |
| 07:35.11 | KotCzarny | pity state of extras is most people who uploaded there just moved on |
| 07:35.17 | KotCzarny | and are not available |
| 07:35.46 | KotCzarny | and what's even worse, even maintainer changing requests are hanging around without action |
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| 07:37.07 | Oksana | Well, if he still checks his ovi.com email... Also, could hope it's same person: http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=29784 |
| 07:37.29 | KotCzarny | that one could be active luckily |
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| 12:26.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, nobody handling maintainer requests is a huge PITA |
| 12:27.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly the emails don't reach anybody meanwhile |
| 12:27.52 | KotCzarny | who is responsible for extras and repos as a whole? |
| 12:28.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | good question. Finally Hildon foundation and Council |
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| 12:29.05 | KotCzarny | good thing to solve for new council for a start |
| 12:29.27 | KotCzarny | i could offer myself as a maintaner requests maintainer |
| 12:31.07 | bencoh | I think mer.lin still handles extras account creation |
| 12:32.03 | bencoh | at least he took care of mine a year ago |
| 12:32.10 | KotCzarny | merlin1991: ping |
| 12:32.35 | bencoh | (s/account creation/extras upload privs/) |
| 12:54.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ which isn't about account creation |
| 12:55.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm going to grant maintainership for those 5 pending there |
| 12:56.20 | KotCzarny | Error 500 |
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| 12:59.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | asked 6 times during last 3 weeks who's taking care. |
| 13:00.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | when somebody has concerns about one of those maintainership-approvals, they can revert it any time |
| 13:00.51 | KotCzarny | how about automated system which send email to current maintainer on requests for change, then after 3 times not responding in 2 weeks it automatically grants it to new user |
| 13:01.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | this *is not* about new users |
| 13:01.21 | KotCzarny | but if current maintainer clicks the link, request gets cleared |
| 13:01.43 | KotCzarny | new user as old user wanting take over package maintainership |
| 13:01.54 | KotCzarny | s/as /as in / |
| 13:03.06 | KotCzarny | it could also get a blacklist of packages that would be excluded from this automatic changer |
| 13:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | or somebody invests 5% of the time needed to implement such stuff to simply manually check and process those 1 request per month |
| 13:04.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0.5% |
| 13:04.55 | KotCzarny | as we currently see, there is no one at the moment |
| 13:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? |
| 13:05.46 | bencoh | no one for? |
| 13:06.02 | KotCzarny | for position of maintaining package maintainership requests |
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| 13:14.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare probably needs to update the mail aliases anyway soonish, maybe he could add a few council members to garage@maemo.org or whatever the relevant alias |
| 13:15.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet a catchall for *@m.o would see a LOT of mail that doesn't get processed anymore since nobody got alias assigned |
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| 13:17.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I personally had ~ 10 aliases I handled before I asked for my complete removal from aliases list |
| 13:18.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically this all is council's job |
| 13:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | to assign responsibilities and track them |
| 13:18.27 | KotCzarny | are they paid? |
| 13:19.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, and nobody of users understands what they are really voting for in council elections. |
| 13:19.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even council candidates understand what's council's duties |
| 13:19.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:20.23 | KotCzarny | maybe it shouldnt be called council but head maemo team members |
| 13:21.43 | erlehmann | who is the council? |
| 13:22.27 | bencoh | "who"? |
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| 13:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | /topic |
| 13:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | my gosh, maemo.org down? |
| 13:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, only 60s until http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council loads |
| 13:36.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome: Current: October 2014 - May 2015 |
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| 14:03.16 | shapeshifter | Hi. I want to revive my N900 and use it as my main phone again. But I first want to wipe everything and start fresh. I remember I tried this a year ago but I ran into lots of problems, like the repositories not being available anymore etc. Does someone know a compact, up-to-date guide on how to setup the phone so that everything works? |
| 14:03.25 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 14:03.26 | infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 14:03.28 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 14:03.28 | infobot | maemo-repos is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 14:04.33 | shapeshifter | # nokia is no more, anyone knows a mirror? |
| 14:04.46 | shapeshifter | oh diablo, not relevant. |
| 14:05.13 | shapeshifter | So we have to rely on an unofficial mirror these days? |
| 14:05.21 | KotCzarny | only for nokia closed binaries |
| 14:05.27 | shapeshifter | I see |
| 14:05.39 | KotCzarny | which are only required if you manage to break them |
| 14:06.04 | KotCzarny | just flash 1.3.1, optionally enable cssu and you are good |
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| 14:15.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter: !!!!! \o/ WELCOME BACK!! :-))) |
| 14:15.25 | shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: sup :) |
| 14:15.40 | shapeshifter | I'm so sick of my Android cell... |
| 14:15.44 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 14:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehehe |
| 14:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter: for easy replashing go for http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz |
| 14:16.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | then head to |
| 14:16.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~repos |
| 14:16.30 | infobot | from memory, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 14:16.35 | KotCzarny | it's still on the screen, pah |
| 14:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | then |
| 14:16.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 14:16.47 | infobot | i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 14:17.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | this should leave you settled |
| 14:17.37 | shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: thanks. |
| 14:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 14:17.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | :) |
| 14:17.48 | shapeshifter | charging the battery now. I'll probably need a new one. |
| 14:18.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible |
| 14:18.11 | shapeshifter | luckily there's a nice test on the forums |
| 14:18.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...after a 5 years |
| 14:18.22 | KotCzarny | ~polarcell |
| 14:18.22 | infobot | [polarcell] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement |
| 14:18.26 | KotCzarny | just in case |
| 14:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 14:19.01 | shapeshifter | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 |
| 14:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I used to buy "used" ones in my next turkish cellphone shopee |
| 14:20.02 | shapeshifter | wow, that polarcell is cheap |
| 14:20.21 | shapeshifter | I once bought an original nokia battery. super expensive. |
| 14:20.32 | KotCzarny | but originals last a long time too |
| 14:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas I didn't mark the batteries I received over the years. So I must have a 70 batteries now, of which 55 or 60 are dead, and another 5 to 10 are very poor condition, and I can't say which is which |
| 14:20.40 | KotCzarny | at least they used to |
| 14:21.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter: don't spend more than 15 bucks for any battery! |
| 14:21.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...for N900 |
| 14:21.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | genuine original Nokia are expensive, when sold via official Nokia channels |
| 14:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | suuuper expensive |
| 14:22.20 | KotCzarny | and bl-5j have 1430 cap now |
| 14:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | like 40 EUR or somesuch iirc |
| 14:23.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I gues a few of the cheap "genuine Nokia BL-5J" sold cheap on ebay etc are actually that, genuine Nokia (or ghostshift) |
| 14:24.53 | shapeshifter | Imagine if the neo900 project had stored donations in CHF in switzerland... |
| 14:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 14:25.31 | shapeshifter | what a tragic impact the euro dip had on finances. |
| 14:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, those donations are a feeble 4k USD iirc |
| 14:25.42 | shapeshifter | mh. |
| 14:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly not really worth all the hassle they are doing about it |
| 14:26.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since *all* infra is donated and thus zilch recurring expense |
| 14:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw... |
| 14:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: did council/HiFo manage to negotiate contract extension with IPHH? |
| 14:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | is that even needed? |
| 14:28.51 | erlehmann | how much did it dip? |
| 14:28.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | dip?` |
| 14:29.16 | shapeshifter | erlehmann: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=eur%20vs%20usd&meta=&gws_rd=ssl |
| 14:29.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 14:29.51 | shapeshifter | erlehmann: used to be 1.30-1.40, now ~1.10 |
| 14:30.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | which had a very unfortunate impact on Neo900 calculations |
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| 14:31.21 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 can you elaborate âvery unfortunate impactâ ? |
| 14:31.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | for USD the price tag stayed stable basically |
| 14:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | EUR price rised by 30% |
| 14:31.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | even a tad more |
| 14:31.55 | shapeshifter | erlehmann: donations are kept in EUR. Chinese suppliers are paid in USD. |
| 14:32.06 | erlehmann | top lel |
| 14:32.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | our early estimations were ~700, now we're at 990 |
| 14:32.30 | erlehmann | well, transfer donations to USD asap? |
| 14:32.39 | shapeshifter | it's a bit late. |
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| 14:32.44 | shapeshifter | no telling what the future holds |
| 14:33.04 | shapeshifter | EUR could even recuperate given that the china crash is pressing USD down. |
| 14:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, transfer to the stronges currency always, then wait for that currency going down ;-) |
| 14:33.30 | KotCzarny | eu as a whole is in the hard times |
| 14:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter: exactly |
| 14:33.44 | erlehmann | i see |
| 14:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | we received all payments in EUR, we will keep it like that, particularly now that EUR is weak and can only gain value |
| 14:34.45 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 14:34.54 | KotCzarny | it can dip more |
| 14:35.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, can hapen too, but who knows |
| 14:35.19 | KotCzarny | europe has more and more problems pending |
| 14:35.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | US and China too |
| 14:35.33 | shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: Is there a tentative release date for the Neo900? |
| 14:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | q1/2016 |
| 14:35.41 | erlehmann | ok |
| 14:36.10 | shapeshifter | It's amazing how hard and expensive it is to get this phone off the ground. |
| 14:36.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:36.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really, for 'us' few who did it before |
| 14:36.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | we knew what is waiting for us |
| 14:37.02 | shapeshifter | Plus I'm amazed that even after all the recent revelations, there doesn't seem to be a concious shift in perception of Android. I mean, there should be thousands of nerds around the world interested in an open phone, yet there is basically no activity, no support. |
| 14:37.19 | erlehmann | those people are not *really* interested |
| 14:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I didn't expect was e.g. 3 months of fighting with prestashop, until we get a cheesy lil shoppee working |
| 14:37.41 | shapeshifter | I wonder for example how the fairphone managed to gain traction. I mean, they say "if you can't open it you don't own it" but of course that's only concerning the hardware, not the software. |
| 14:38.03 | shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: what were the major problems with prestashop? |
| 14:38.04 | erlehmann | shapeshifter i have a friend who said he wanted an open phone, then i pointed him here, then he said it was too expensive. he then got a blackberry and after that, an iphone i think. |
| 14:38.06 | erlehmann | go figure |
| 14:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter: http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm :-) |
| 14:38.27 | shapeshifter | erlehmann: well 1000 euros is a bit steep, especially considering the innards. |
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| 14:39.10 | erlehmann | shapeshifter it is, but OTOH there seems to be no comparable new phone. is there? |
| 14:39.23 | shapeshifter | erlehmann: nothing. |
| 14:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter: (prestashop) it's soooOOOooo WAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH! To edit text, you need to do that in *translations* |
| 14:39.35 | KotCzarny | n900 |
| 14:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you never know in *which* translations |
| 14:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a CMS nightmare |
| 14:40.43 | shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: I'm currently setting up a Spree shop. I wonder how hard it will be. So far... meh. |
| 14:41.07 | KotCzarny | creating custom shop is easy |
| 14:41.15 | KotCzarny | especially if your store isnt big |
| 14:41.26 | Wizzup | wrote his own some time ago |
| 14:41.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly would have been easier than that prestashop thing |
| 14:41.44 | shapeshifter | well that's hardly necessary though. |
| 14:41.52 | KotCzarny | yup, new revisions of ready made products are usually on the incompatible side |
| 14:41.59 | shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: which payment gateway are you using? |
| 14:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | bank wire, PP |
| 14:42.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | soon bitcoin |
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| 14:43.46 | KotCzarny | shapeshifter: by any chance you are using n900 for music listening? |
| 14:44.19 | shapeshifter | KotCzarny: not much |
| 14:44.24 | KotCzarny | uhum |
| 14:44.37 | KotCzarny | i wont solicite then |
| 14:44.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 14:56.18 | shapeshifter | I remember I kept having a problem with my old N900 that it would says "no sim". I just googled a bit but I can't find a definitive fix. I remember something about pressing down on the PCB... |
| 14:56.28 | KotCzarny | um |
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| 14:56.34 | KotCzarny | physical breakage |
| 14:56.49 | KotCzarny | but there is hope, you can have another n900 for a measly 40-50usd |
| 14:57.07 | KotCzarny | even cheaper if you can solder usb port |
| 14:57.14 | KotCzarny | then you can grab one really cheap |
| 14:57.39 | KotCzarny | and use old one for development test bed |
| 14:57.44 | shapeshifter | I have 2. I need to check if they both exhibit this problem. |
| 14:57.56 | shapeshifter | I preemptively soldered the USB on both |
| 15:05.07 | stryngs | Oksana: I can show you workarounds for stuff like the sb issues you mentioned. |
| 15:10.44 | shapeshifter | $ ip a # -sh: ip: not found |
| 15:10.53 | shapeshifter | a reminder how old maemo really is. |
| 15:13.45 | stryngs | Oksana: Are you looking for xchat 2.8.8? |
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| 15:23.15 | stryngs | builds xchat for the giggles |
| 15:27.00 | stryngs | Man I wish gcc 4.6 wasn't all crazy on the n900 =/ |
| 15:28.18 | shapeshifter | stryngs: why not cross compile on a 'real' machine? |
| 15:28.35 | stryngs | shapeshifter: I prefer to build natively. |
| 15:28.50 | stryngs | shapeshifter: I've taken a lot of care to ensure I can build natively on my box. |
| 15:29.43 | stryngs | shapeshifter: i.e., grabbed a lot of scratchbox stuff and ported it over, etc.. Very handy =) |
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| 15:49.38 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: how goes with 2nd N900? :) |
| 15:53.17 | shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: the versions used in your flash-it-all.sh, are those the most recent ones? |
| 15:54.03 | KotCzarny | sicelo: still in transit, should be there in 1-2 days |
| 15:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter: yes |
| 15:56.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | (on "most recent") |
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| 15:59.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter: (no SIM) is usually a problem with modem chip solder points popping up when bending the PCB - e.g. due to pressing the kbd keys - and all the suggested mechanical fixes are not really a long term solution. hot-air reflowing the modem chips might help: heat the complete device to 100°C in oven, then apply 230°C hot air to the modem chips for 5 minutes |
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| 15:59.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | 250°C will prolly kill the device, so use decent tools |
| 16:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe 5 minutes is a tad long. Try 2 minutes |
| 16:03.30 | Tekk_ | shapeshifter: personally I'd just suggest popping the back off, taking the sim out, and resitting it before you try something so extreme |
| 16:03.39 | Tekk_ | sometimes a bit of dirt just gets between the contacts for me |
| 16:03.50 | Tekk_ | But presumably you've already ruled that out :) |
| 16:04.53 | shapeshifter | thanks, I might try something like that. |
| 16:05.11 | shapeshifter | I need a hot air gun... |
| 16:07.35 | shapeshifter | by the way, how's maemo 5 holding up in terms of security? Digicert hack, heartbleed, shellshock - are things even patched? |
| 16:10.29 | KotCzarny | hehe, security and n900 used in one sentence |
| 16:10.35 | KotCzarny | good joke |
| 16:10.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:11.16 | Tekk_ | shapeshifter: well the good news is that I'm pretty sure that maemo's openssl is actually too old to be vulnerable to heartbleed |
| 16:11.22 | erlehmann | yeah |
| 16:11.25 | erlehmann | that i found funny |
| 16:11.25 | shapeshifter | ^ |
| 16:11.26 | shapeshifter | ^^ |
| 16:11.44 | erlehmann | ^^^ |
| 16:11.51 | shapeshifter | vvv |
| 16:12.03 | KotCzarny | <<>> |
| 16:12.16 | shapeshifter | but yeah. and busybox means no shellshock. I think I remember some talk about removing the invalid CAs. |
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| 16:13.00 | KotCzarny | still, we are running old kernel |
| 16:13.11 | KotCzarny | which means anything kernel related holds |
| 16:13.13 | Tekk_ | mhm |
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| 16:16.44 | shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: why is your flasher called trasher? it's a joke? |
| 16:17.44 | shapeshifter | s |
| 16:17.48 | shapeshifter | oops. |
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| 16:22.14 | erlehmann | KotCzarny where to get new kernel |
| 16:24.01 | stryngs | shapeshifter: Maemo is very vuln. |
| 16:25.30 | KotCzarny | http://elinux.org/N900 |
| 16:25.38 | KotCzarny | but its not drop in replacement |
| 16:27.02 | KotCzarny | also, someone recently started another attempt at updated os |
| 16:27.08 | KotCzarny | i think it was wizzup |
| 16:27.16 | Tekk_ | How'd the neo900 thing go btw? |
| 16:27.27 | KotCzarny | (i'll do the same once my secondary n900 arrives) |
| 16:27.37 | Tekk_ | wish I had the money to pledge back when it was running its kickstarter :/ |
| 16:28.11 | shapeshifter | boo, maemo flasher is 32bit. |
| 16:28.24 | erlehmann | shapeshifter what about 0xffff? |
| 16:28.30 | KotCzarny | install 32bit libs or boot livecd |
| 16:28.43 | shapeshifter | KotCzarny: yeah. |
| 16:29.10 | KotCzarny | is still running 32bit linux |
| 16:29.14 | shapeshifter | KotCzarny: wow. |
| 16:29.15 | KotCzarny | no need to upgrade |
| 16:29.37 | KotCzarny | and easier to keep one version across all my machines |
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| 16:39.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter: (trasher) I needed a name that not suspicious (to googling) |
| 16:39.18 | KotCzarny | thrasher |
| 16:39.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter: note that this is my private workdir not supposed to get shared to anybody else anyway |
| 16:39.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 16:39.52 | KotCzarny | you should add feature to flasher that it would play data on audio device during reflash |
| 16:40.04 | KotCzarny | similar to old modem sounds |
| 16:40.48 | Vajb | i tried touch.facebook.com in Qml-browser. Got: error on line 1 at column 715: Expected '#' or '[a-zA-Z]', but got '&'. |
| 16:40.59 | shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: yes, I saw the notice ;) |
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| 16:46.15 | shapeshifter | everything is so old... flasher needs 32bit libusb-0.1.so4. The version provided by my distro is libusb-1.0... |
| 16:46.37 | shapeshifter | just symlinking doesn't work. symbol lookup errors. |
| 16:46.50 | shapeshifter | now I have to dig up an old libusb |
| 16:48.20 | stryngs | shapeshifter: libusb-1.0-0:i386 works just fine |
| 16:48.22 | stryngs | fyi |
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| 16:49.54 | shapeshifter | stryngs: not for me... anyway I found an old lib and it appears to be working now. |
| 16:50.19 | stryngs | shapeshifter: Heh, what distro? |
| 16:50.27 | stryngs | shapeshifter: That doesnt "seem" right that it wouldnt work. |
| 16:51.29 | shapeshifter | stryngs: Arch. I don't know. I got /usr/lib32/libusb-1.0.so.0.1.0 giving me maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: symbol lookup error: maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: undefined symbol: usb_init |
| 16:52.10 | stryngs | shapeshifter: meh, arch... |
| 16:52.25 | shapeshifter | stryngs: it has hardly anything to do with the distro. |
| 16:52.33 | stryngs | shapeshifter: With Arch? hah. |
| 16:52.40 | stryngs | shapeshifter: I've heard nothing but bad bout arch |
| 16:53.04 | stryngs | shapeshifter: I'll stick with the red hats or fedoras or centos or ubuntu or linux mint's |
| 16:53.10 | shapeshifter | ok. |
| 16:53.30 | stryngs | shapeshifter: But, glad to hear u got it working |
| 16:55.23 | shapeshifter | wat. I just reflashed my N900 and now, suddenly, it knows the correct date after booting for the first time. >.> |
| 16:55.26 | KotCzarny | shapeshifter: you need libusb-0.1 |
| 16:55.28 | shapeshifter | I *always* had to set it manually |
| 16:55.36 | shapeshifter | what black magic is this. |
| 16:55.42 | Tekk_ | shapeshifter: it's weird like that |
| 16:55.49 | Tekk_ | sometimes I need to reset the date, sometimes not |
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| 16:56.14 | shapeshifter | this is adorable, it's recommending the Ovi store "with hundreds of free apps and games". |
| 16:57.18 | KotCzarny | i just use ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 16:57.29 | Tekk_ | KotCzarny: no, that's different |
| 16:57.32 | KotCzarny | for ovi you need to enable muarf repo |
| 16:57.34 | Tekk_ | or do you mean you just hit accept? |
| 16:57.54 | KotCzarny | tekk_: i know, i disabled welcome sscreen and just run ntpdate occasionally |
| 16:58.01 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 16:58.16 | Tekk_ | why not use the checkbox that pulls the time from the cell network? |
| 16:58.40 | KotCzarny | cellular time never worked for me |
| 16:58.45 | KotCzarny | dont know why |
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| 17:10.12 | shapeshifter | So the app manager doesn't get it when I just update /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list? |
| 17:10.27 | KotCzarny | go cssu and install speedyham |
| 17:10.31 | KotCzarny | ~speedyham |
| 17:10.31 | infobot | speedyham is probably 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 17:10.57 | KotCzarny | if you dont want cssu, then ignore app manager and just stick to apt |
| 17:11.11 | KotCzarny | (just never do apt-get autoremove or upgrade) |
| 17:12.43 | KotCzarny | though you seem knowledgeable, so upgrade might be fine, distupgrade is tricky tho |
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| 17:19.53 | Sicelo | but yes, you need to adjust catalogs/repositories from HAM itself. |
| 17:20.08 | KotCzarny | ham sucks |
| 17:22.07 | KotCzarny | slowly sucks |
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| 17:41.04 | shapeshifter | Any specific reasons why CSSU stable is 1y behind testing? |
| 17:41.20 | KotCzarny | no testers? |
| 17:41.24 | KotCzarny | no reports? |
| 17:41.34 | KotCzarny | no one nagged the devs to do the release? |
| 17:41.59 | KotCzarny | most of work is in devel anyway |
| 17:43.23 | shapeshifter | KotCzarny: in devel? |
| 17:43.26 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 17:43.39 | KotCzarny | cssu-devel |
| 17:43.54 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292 |
| 17:44.02 | KotCzarny | warning: dragons ahead |
| 17:45.22 | Sicelo | manpower is one of the reasons |
| 17:45.33 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1477898&postcount=453 |
| 17:46.18 | Sicelo | i remember discussions to drop stable .. not sure how far they went. |
| 17:46.24 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 17:46.38 | KotCzarny | thats just crazy talk |
| 17:46.55 | KotCzarny | stable is for normal users that dont want untested things |
| 17:47.34 | Sicelo | looks like most testing takes place in devel .. |
| 17:47.49 | Sicelo | testing is already quite stable, in general |
| 17:47.52 | shapeshifter | so you're telling me that with that devel repo, people do apt-get upgrade? |
| 17:48.07 | KotCzarny | rename testing as stable then and drop testing |
| 17:48.17 | Sicelo | :) |
| 17:48.25 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: same thing .. just names. |
| 17:48.34 | Sicelo | so yes, that's a possibility |
| 17:48.38 | KotCzarny | names are important for non-knowledgeable people |
| 17:49.56 | Sicelo | shapeshifter: yes. why not? :) |
| 17:50.04 | Sicelo | i've done it a couple of times |
| 17:51.02 | Sicelo | last time i did .. got some getbootstate error (device behaving as if R&D mode is on). reported it, and problemo fixed |
| 17:56.07 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 17:56.32 | KotCzarny | i wonder if there is a mod that would replace all images with 8bit ones in a browser/cache |
| 17:56.59 | KotCzarny | and make browser use 8bit buffers |
| 17:57.19 | KotCzarny | (for rendered pages) |
| 17:59.10 | KotCzarny | https://www.palemoon.org/ |
| 17:59.11 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 18:02.18 | KotCzarny | doh, cant wait for my secondary n900 |
| 18:02.24 | KotCzarny | its like getting the first one |
| 18:05.39 | KotCzarny | Any Gecko based browser works, you can set the amount of RAM which is allowed to be used to render websites in about:config. |
| 18:05.40 | KotCzarny | hum |
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| 18:07.17 | KotCzarny | another hack would be limiting browser to only 1 page rendered at any given time |
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| 18:13.49 | KotCzarny | http://www.netsurf-browser.org/about/ |
| 18:13.54 | KotCzarny | another competitor |
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| 18:15.27 | KotCzarny | drat. 1-2days is a lot when one has to wait |
| 18:16.59 | shapeshifter | Is it not necessary anymore to move some stuff to /opt? |
| 18:17.07 | KotCzarny | it is |
| 18:17.28 | KotCzarny | but i plan on creating everything-in-one-partition os |
| 18:17.54 | KotCzarny | do df |
| 18:17.58 | KotCzarny | see space on / |
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| 18:27.19 | shapeshifter | I see |
| 18:28.20 | shapeshifter | Is there a good reason why https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Move_apt_cache_outside_of_rootfs is advertised as a temporary fix? It would be trivial to permanently set the cache location in apt.conf |
| 18:31.18 | KotCzarny | remember that wiki information isnt any omega knowledge but users hacking their way |
| 18:31.31 | KotCzarny | i personally use: http://wiki.maemo.org/Slimming_OS |
| 18:32.01 | KotCzarny | best course of action is simply knowing what you are doing |
| 18:32.11 | KotCzarny | what you use, what you dont use etc |
| 18:33.36 | KotCzarny | as for your question, it uses -o option, which you can just put in /etc/apt config |
| 18:33.48 | KotCzarny | thats why it says 'temporary', as in one-off |
| 18:34.17 | KotCzarny | but i think apt-cache is already on /opt |
| 18:34.42 | KotCzarny | ls -l /var/apt/ |
| 18:35.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Sicelo> looks like most testing takes place in devel .. )) no |
| 18:35.19 | shapeshifter | I see |
| 18:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter: NEVER do apt-get upgrade with maemo-devel! |
| 18:36.04 | shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: I'm just using cssu testing now |
| 18:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually s/with maemo-devel// |
| 18:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter: you're supposed to use maemo-extras-devel only to manually install certain packages, then immediately disable maemo-extras-devel again after you did |
| 18:38.24 | shapeshifter | I see. |
| 18:38.37 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: it's definitely not supposed to be that way .. but .. it does. many are on cssu-testing not for testing, but consider it stable quality. i'm not saying this is correct ... but that's the general feel you get when you see state of things in tmo |
| 18:41.27 | shapeshifter | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95911 poor fella |
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| 18:56.39 | juliank | What's going on the N900 these days? |
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| 18:57.17 | juliank | put it to rest in 2012 |
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| 18:59.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: please don't mix maemo-extras-testing and cssu-testing |
| 19:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-devel is a complete nogo for anybody but the devels testing their own packaging there |
| 19:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-testing is supposed to be semi-satble but with the risk that stuff will break your device. Once it got tested in cssu-testing, it eventually migrates to cssu-stable, after some of the cssu maintainers discussed stability of the package |
| 19:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo-extras-devel has a *lot* of packages, some good stable quality and some being real killers for your system. extras-testing is where a test crew of users checks packages that got promoted by their developers |
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| 19:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | when a package passes testing, it promotrs to maemo-extras |
| 19:04.59 | KotCzarny | juliank: check oscp |
| 19:06.03 | Vajb | wishes that he could get a dollar everytime he see's oscp mentioned ;) |
| 19:06.07 | KotCzarny | doc: no, when dev coerces 10 users to click on package promotion then it goes to maemo-extras |
| 19:06.29 | KotCzarny | vajb: i can do 1cent |
| 19:06.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:06.41 | Vajb | haha |
| 19:07.07 | Vajb | hmm now i need counter script :p |
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| 19:07.29 | KotCzarny | vajb: good, now you have a homework :P |
| 19:07.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: no, it gets promoted when it got enough thumbs up |
| 19:08.08 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: how many are you at now? |
| 19:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, why you saying "no2 when you then post exactly what I said before? |
| 19:08.21 | KotCzarny | doc: you've just used different words |
| 19:08.34 | Vajb | actually im thinking that it would be cool if irssi could pop up that yellow notify window too. So i will try to accomplish that when i find some time. |
| 19:08.46 | KotCzarny | vajb: /exec ? |
| 19:08.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: no, I just used different words |
| 19:09.13 | Vajb | yes and some dbus stuff too |
| 19:09.22 | KotCzarny | but doable anyway |
| 19:09.43 | KotCzarny | doc: extras-testing voting doesnt work (userbase wise) |
| 19:09.58 | Sicelo | Vajb: get irssi that supports perl scripts .. dunno if someone put it on repos, but i did compile one and dropped it in tmo a while back |
| 19:10.03 | Vajb | yes i suppose so. I just need to go by trial and error till i got it |
| 19:10.08 | KotCzarny | doc: can you get stats of 10 packages promoted in the last 6 months? |
| 19:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: aha |
| 19:10.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: sorry, I don't see your point and i'm too busy to try and find out |
| 19:10.43 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: i would guess Yappari |
| 19:10.51 | Vajb | Sicelo: actually u and i had this convo wayyyy back and then u posted link for it in maemo and im having it since ;) |
| 19:12.01 | Sicelo | :) |
| 19:12.30 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/y/yappari/ |
| 19:12.42 | KotCzarny | last voted release: 18-dec 2014 |
| 19:12.50 | KotCzarny | so no, not the last 6 months |
| 19:13.00 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/y/yappari/ |
| 19:13.07 | KotCzarny | last release: 3-sep-2015 |
| 19:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 19:13.28 | KotCzarny | so yappari is popular package, but no one votes? |
| 19:13.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 19:13.35 | Sicelo | gawd. |
| 19:13.38 | KotCzarny | see 'broken userbase wise' |
| 19:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | YOU are the broken userbase |
| 19:14.23 | KotCzarny | im not userbase, im a dev |
| 19:14.44 | KotCzarny | doc: i see why you were 'bullied', YOU are the bully |
| 19:14.56 | Vajb | im broken user |
| 19:15.19 | kerio | Vajb: :( |
| 19:15.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: you really fail completely to make any point |
| 19:16.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | instead you try to correct me when I explain how promoting works |
| 19:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | promoting is NOT broken for all I can tell |
| 19:17.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your point is that there are not enough testers, then ... well, do something about it, become a tester. |
| 19:18.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | instead of claiming obscure stuff like 'broken userbase wise' |
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| 19:18.25 | KotCzarny | im a dev, not a tester |
| 19:18.26 | Sicelo | Vajb: broken user :D |
| 19:18.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: then you got a problem |
| 19:19.02 | KotCzarny | also, are you a tester? |
| 19:19.11 | Wizzup | guys |
| 19:19.15 | Wizzup | come on :) |
| 19:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you able to find that out by yourself, or just trolling? |
| 19:20.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you have to make a point, please already do! |
| 19:20.50 | KotCzarny | my point is that we dont have active testers |
| 19:20.55 | juliank | So, the Neo900 stuff will cost 990 EUR before taxes? |
| 19:21.03 | juliank | that's insane |
| 19:21.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | currently that's our estimation. subject to change when situation changes, to the worse (hardly) or the better (hopefully) |
| 19:22.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh, how's that insane? |
| 19:22.28 | juliank | That's a huge amount of money |
| 19:22.31 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: could it be because whatsapp inc changes the protocol every other day? so there is no point in promoting yappari to stable? |
| 19:23.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 cisted ~600EUR, Neo900 has faster CPU, 4 times the RAM, 2 times the eMMC (64GB), LTE or UMTS+CDMA2000 modem, and a host of sensors |
| 19:23.55 | freemangordon | not to say it is not mass-produced |
| 19:23.58 | Wizzup | is already convinced :-) |
| 19:23.59 | Ras_Older | juliank: that is what happens when you build "limited edition" devices that aren't mass produced by giant manufacturers |
| 19:24.11 | juliank | Ras_Older: I know |
| 19:24.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi freemangordon, long time no see :-D |
| 19:24.18 | freemangordon | hi! |
| 19:24.24 | Ras_Older | Then how is it insane? |
| 19:24.36 | juliank | Hey, it's still a lot of money. |
| 19:24.42 | Ras_Older | Makes perfect sense to me to cover expenses |
| 19:24.45 | juliank | It's cool insane. |
| 19:24.46 | freemangordon | yeah, unfortunately I am very busy with the RL :( |
| 19:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeew |
| 19:25.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | hope that inproves eventually, we miss you :-) |
| 19:25.25 | freemangordon | hopefully will have more free time in a couple of weeks |
| 19:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-)) |
| 19:26.23 | juliank | won't buy it, but I'm sure the buyer's will have fun with it |
| 19:26.38 | freemangordon | also, I've been on a holiday :) |
| 19:26.49 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: that's why i propose allowing package maintainers to promote packages when they want assuming they got promoted particular package at least once |
| 19:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | juliank: we'd love to make the device cheaper, and we really strive to - but there's just so much that can get done, without sacrificu´ing a _lot_ of the awesomeness of the product |
| 19:27.14 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: that kind of defeats stable but yeah |
| 19:27.16 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: doesn't make sense |
| 19:27.34 | juliank | DocScrutinizer05: Yeah, I moved on anyway, and have to live in Androidworld. |
| 19:27.43 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/oscp/0.9.7-46/ .. how come i don't see a voting/thumbs up button on yours? |
| 19:27.59 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: also, repo admins can do it right now |
| 19:28.02 | KotCzarny | sicelo: i've tried to promote only once |
| 19:28.15 | juliank | Android is so primitive in some places, compared to Maemo |
| 19:28.21 | KotCzarny | 5 people clicked, even if there are quite a bunch of users of it |
| 19:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: he's no tester ;-P |
| 19:28.50 | Sicelo | where's the button? i can see it for yappari .. but not on oscp |
| 19:29.04 | KotCzarny | because yappari 2.0.15 was promoted to testing |
| 19:29.12 | freemangordon | this is not extras-testing |
| 19:29.24 | Sicelo | ah, i see |
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| 19:30.35 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: what is the point to allow package maintainers to promote to stable? You say you-re not a tester, which means all the likes will promote untested software to extras-stable |
| 19:31.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: nevermind |
| 19:31.30 | freemangordon | then we can remove all but extras-devel repo, if the quality of the SW will be on that level |
| 19:31.33 | Sicelo | how does s/w move from extras-devel to extras-testing? |
| 19:31.45 | freemangordon | it is maintainer to promote it |
| 19:31.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/oscp/0.9.7-26/ |
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| 19:32.24 | Sicelo | ah .. he needs 5 more kudos |
| 19:32.55 | freemangordon | yes, because it is non-free, the free section was relaxed to 6 |
| 19:33.18 | Sicelo | i was about to ask that. thanks for info freemangordon :) |
| 19:34.09 | freemangordon | well, I'd rather guess that when free was changed, noone has thought there will be new SW in non-free :) |
| 19:34.21 | freemangordon | so it was left as it is |
| 19:34.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | testing non-free is hard |
| 19:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it needs more tests |
| 19:35.02 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: it would allow maintainer to decide if package is stable (which also meant maintainer would have to test it) |
| 19:35.39 | freemangordon | but it cannot assure that the maintainer has actually tested it. You know what speedpatch is? |
| 19:35.57 | freemangordon | ~speedpatch |
| 19:35.57 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch], or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1328060&postcount=3325 [bug report] |
| 19:36.14 | Sicelo | haha .. miracle patch |
| 19:36.15 | Sicelo | :D |
| 19:36.41 | freemangordon | not that the 3-layered repose prevented speedpatch from entering repos, but still |
| 19:36.51 | freemangordon | *repos |
| 19:36.59 | freemangordon | damn :( |
| 19:37.17 | freemangordon | I meant: not that the 3-layered repos prevented speedpatch from entering stable, but still |
| 19:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, because too many "testers" thought this is about sympathy and doing someone a favor |
| 19:39.29 | KotCzarny | i have to agree with that |
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| 19:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | there urgently needs http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing link get added to all pages in http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/, right nect to the voting-thumb button |
| 19:41.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#Vote_on_Packages_waiting_to_be_evaluated |
| 19:41.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#Quality_Assurance_criteria ff |
| 19:41.44 | freemangordon | or maybe on the first page of TMO |
| 19:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_checklist |
| 19:42.46 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: yeah, i know crappatch, never used it |
| 19:43.43 | KotCzarny | reading its tmo thread was hilarious tho |
| 19:43.55 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: the point is - without devel->testing->stable, it will be much more easier for the script-kiddies to put junk in -stable |
| 19:44.40 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: also, being a dev you should know that the developer is the worst QA possible. For a number of reasons :) |
| 19:47.32 | KotCzarny | true that, unfortunatelly |
| 19:48.13 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: another idea, dev karma |
| 19:49.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | we already have that, sort of. We have user karma from testing, and we got power testers that have triple-voice |
| 19:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 19:49.47 | KotCzarny | cool |
| 19:50.23 | freemangordon | the problem is that those with high karma from testing have moved on long ago |
| 19:50.27 | freemangordon | afaik |
| 19:50.45 | KotCzarny | so back to 'we need more testers' |
| 19:50.52 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 19:51.23 | Sicelo | or, testers who vote :) |
| 19:51.33 | freemangordon | why not pester chem|st to put "please test" link on TMO? |
| 19:51.37 | Sicelo | i'm sure oscp is also widely used by now |
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| 19:51.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | do we have too few testers? yes! Why is that? because nobody even understands the concept nowadays |
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| 19:52.06 | kerio | *because we have no users |
| 19:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | that too |
| 19:52.25 | freemangordon | I guess it is that year or more when the promotion didn't work |
| 19:52.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | only power users and devels can do proper testing |
| 19:52.45 | KotCzarny | sicelo: yeah, that what i mean by testers, people who do whole testers drill |
| 19:53.03 | KotCzarny | doc pasted the link for testing qa |
| 19:54.03 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:54.52 | KotCzarny | maybe there should be something similar to moddb script, that tracks what user installed, then after some time (week or so) it popped out the window asking for feedback (simple good/bad) |
| 19:55.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested a few years ago to add a generic framework into SDK for testing repo, so any app built for and installed from maemo-extrastesting would actually do some automated tests plus an nagscreen where the user gets pestered to do complete testing and to vote |
| 19:55.38 | KotCzarny | yes. |
| 19:55.54 | KotCzarny | anyway, sleepy time, nite nite |
| 19:56.13 | freemangordon | gn |
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| 20:00.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | exploiting preinstall and postinstall and post-remove in deb packages could already do a hell of a reporting job. Add to that a wrapper around the app that runs the app under 'monitor' and opens a notifier "this is software from testing repo, so please TEST it!" before app starts and a complete webpage that holds results from automated tests under monitor allows manual comments etc, that would prolly go a long way |
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| 20:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | suddenly it occurs to me how that task is very similar to what is needed for my long time project vaporware "device sanity checker daemon" that's also supposed to check for unusual power drain increase, cpu or mem-hogging etc |
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| 20:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | "it's too noisy in here" ohmy |
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| 20:12.28 | juliank | Would 100 seem like a reasonable price for me to sell an N900 at (if I decide to do so)? |
| 20:12.49 | juliank | It only has a few scratches on the display... |
| 20:14.15 | juliank | And it's a US english variant in Germany |
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| 23:34.10 | Oksana | stryngs: I am currently trying out 2.8.6 (as it is in repos), just to make sure it is possible to build binary deb on-device. Current problem is, the libtool looks for sed in /scratchbox/tools/bin. I am trying to work around it, but it will be modification of libtool (if I manage to get it working, I should somehow put patched-for-device libtool into Extras repositories, or at least... |
| 23:34.11 | Oksana | ...Extras-devel; currently libtool in Extras seems to be same as libtool in SDK repos, but that may need further looking into). |
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| 23:41.43 | stryngs | Oksana: It works I promise |
| 23:42.13 | stryngs | Oksana: I'm testing a new build right now, as soon as it builds and boots; I'll get with you on what you need. I successfully built xchat with zero issues on the n900 earlier today. |
| 23:43.04 | stryngs | Oksana: This is also the reason I push for unification =-). I.e. I can run dh-make on my n900, whereas, others, cannot. |
| 23:45.10 | Oksana | Thank you ;-) /wondering how you got libtool to use /bin/sed .../ |
| 23:47.02 | stryngs | Oksana: lots of hard work and hackery =) |
| 23:48.03 | Oksana | Hopefully, that's proper kind of hackery ;-) Because somebody will want to put sed into /usr/bin/sed , and what then?.. |
| 23:49.17 | Oksana | thinks that "normally" $PATH variable would have solved that, but there was probably some problem with that in scratchbox which caused $SED to be hardcoded... |
| 23:50.08 | stryngs | Oksana: truth be told, fixing scratchbox issues was something I did long ago, I'll have to consult my notes, but I do have handy premade .debs |
| 23:52.05 | stryngs | Oksana: I've roughly an hour to two hours for this testbuild. But I will get you answers |
| 23:53.33 | stryngs | Oksana: 2.8.8 builds just fine, fyi. |
| 23:53.35 | Oksana | Thank you :-) And please, put debs (for such things as libtool working on-device) into repositories (you can get it into Extras-devel even without being a maintainer, as far as I remember), including source debs |
| 23:53.56 | stryngs | Oksana: Maemo wouldn't take my debs, as I only do prefix=/usr |
| 23:54.08 | stryngs | Oksana: No optification takes place, thus it would fill your hdd. |
| 23:54.28 | Oksana | Not exactly hard disk drive, but point taken... |
| 23:55.23 | stryngs | Oksana: However, if the .debs were already in /opt, then yer probably good. |
| 23:55.25 | Oksana | wonders what would happen if somebody put /usr inside /opt before installing your deb... Or is it completely filesystem-breaking? |
| 23:55.34 | stryngs | Oksana: my /usr is in /opt =) |
| 23:56.44 | stryngs | Oksana: Sort of.... I do bindmounts |
| 23:56.53 | stryngs | So it's on the same space that /opt is |
| 23:56.58 | stryngs | I also rock a 9gb /opt partition |
| 23:58.06 | Oksana | doesn't mess with filesystem. It's troublesome enough when there is fsck of MyDocs at each reboot, taking up to 5 minutes. It does the same thing every time, according to logs, so apparently it's _not_ fixing whatever errors it sees. |
| 23:59.34 | stryngs | Oksana: I have none of those issues. |
