| 00:00.43 | ecc3g | who holds the standard on that? |
| 00:03.28 | ecc3g | and what devices use that now? |
| 00:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course you got those weird critters: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:12V_24V_USB_Typ_A_Buchse.jpg |
| 00:05.38 | ecc3g | yes... at least you shouldnt have to worry about plugging in a 5V device into the wrong socket there... or at least I'd hope not |
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| 00:06.47 | ecc3g | Ahh qualcomm has the patent |
| 00:07.55 | ecc3g | but what about the 30V? |
| 00:08.08 | ecc3g | is that 12V/24V that same standard? |
| 00:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's standard USB with piggybacked 12V or 24V high power jack |
| 00:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't find the dang article about that planned new 30V USB stuff |
| 00:11.37 | ecc3g | wonder why they didnt go to that, must be around 10 phones or so now with 9V charge now... |
| 00:12.39 | ecc3g | then again, phone batteries dont hold all that much, charging at more than 2C probably isnt conducive to long life. |
| 00:13.10 | ecc3g | 30V great for laptops, perhaps |
| 00:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | firewire |
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| 00:15.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think they specified that to catch up with firewire |
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| 00:15.29 | ecc3g | probably |
| 00:15.57 | ecc3g | alas the possible voltage range of 1394 may require large inductors that cant be afforded by phones? |
| 00:21.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, how are inductors relevant, particularly size? |
| 00:21.29 | ecc3g | need switching supplies |
| 00:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1394=firewire, right? |
| 00:21.39 | ecc3g | yes |
| 00:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, size of inductor is not related to input voltage of a buck converter |
| 00:22.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | only indirectly |
| 00:22.38 | ecc3g | current of output |
| 00:23.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, yes. you need a larger inductor to store more energy per cycle, at a given frequency of e.g. 1MHz |
| 00:24.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | so higher output *power*, the higher the product of frequency*inductorsize |
| 00:24.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | unrelated to input voltage though |
| 00:24.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | also unrelated to output voltage |
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| 00:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, the voltage *range* the power-receiving device needs to deal with has some impact on general complexity and efficacy of the converter |
| 00:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | so for a phone that doesn't need to full power blast of 30V, a 9V is probably an ideal compromise. And also maybe they had a predecessor of that 30V-spec for this particular usecase - actually they must have since I think the 30V is a proposal still and not yet officially in use |
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| 00:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: http://www.usb.org/press/USB_Type-C_Specification_Announcement_Final.pdf "up to 100W" |
| 00:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess that must have been it |
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| 01:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, here we are (20V, not 30): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#USB_3.1_mit_Typ-C-Steckverbindung |
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| 01:16.58 | Oksanaa | How to add source URIs to sources.list ? Would something like 'Components: free source ' work? |
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| 01:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 01:32.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | man 5 sources.list |
| 01:33.37 | Oksanaa | Trying apt-get source xchatl Apt-get says to add source URIs to sources.list. Is it possible to do it through default app manager? |
| 01:35.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAM is not really compatible with apt, it has additional concepts of grpups or somesuch |
| 01:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | groups* |
| 01:37.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | also note that HAM doesn't edit /etc/apt/sources.list but /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
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| 01:39.37 | Oksanaa | So if I add a line to sources.list, it will not be lost? How many mistakes in: source http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free |
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| 01:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm no expert but I'd think it should be deb-source http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free |
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| 01:43.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, probably add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list so apt-get sees it - I'm not sure about that though |
| 01:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you could try adding it to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/oksana.list |
| 01:44.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | (no kidding) |
| 01:45.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | from manpage examples: deb-src file:/home/jason/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 01:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you simply duplicate the line and add a "-src" to make it read "deb-src" |
| 01:47.32 | Oksanaa | Thank you! apt-get does see it from sources.list And I will continue going without non-free component of repos ;-) |
| 01:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle-1.3 free non-free -> deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle-1.3 free non-free |
| 01:51.25 | Oksanaa | is running aptitude update now, so that apt-get source xchat would work; sources are being fetched, so deb-source http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free is nice |
| 01:51.41 | Oksanaa | deb-src* |
| 01:52.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 01:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | two noobs figured it :-D |
| 01:53.32 | svetlana | That friggin' thing is a full-blown smart computer! |
| 01:53.39 | Oksanaa | Thank you! Between source, deb-source, and src, I would have likely missed deb-src |
| 01:53.57 | Oksanaa | Why mention Frigga? |
| 01:54.25 | svetlana | :-D |
| 01:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | svetlana: you bet it is - it beats my year-2000 Pentium-II PC hands down |
| 01:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not really, at least after I upgraded that one to sth like 496MB RAM |
| 01:58.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the 300MHz were on par with an ARM@500MHz |
| 01:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I only had a 20GB HDD |
| 01:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | if at all |
| 02:02.08 | Oksanaa | Did something happen with imgur? Trying to share a picture on it I get Transfer failed. Unable to continue |
| 02:02.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | share services have a hard time lately |
| 02:02.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | wstaw failed weeks ago |
| 02:02.53 | Oksanaa | Laws everywhere, especially against anonymity? |
| 02:03.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I guess DOA attacks |
| 02:03.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | even privatepase is borked |
| 02:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | privatepaste |
| 02:04.23 | Oksanaa | Ouch... What about picpaste? |
| 02:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno picpaste |
| 02:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | used to use wstaw.org, which seems to have recovered |
| 02:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 02:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | privatepaste.com however is still down |
| 02:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | or changed protocol or whatever |
| 02:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2015/09/03/plasma-desktopHo1947.png |
| 02:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/96782210 |
| 02:07.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | kde pastebin applet |
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| 02:09.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | kde pastebin plasmoid ;-) |
| 02:11.47 | Oksanaa | Why does aptitude want to uninstall status-area-orientationlock-applet at every turn? |
| 02:13.30 | Oksanaa | Why are dpkg-dev, perl and such untrusted packages? Ah, mirror repos... |
| 02:21.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: (uninstall orientationlock) maybe because it got removed from metapackage? |
| 02:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I zhink it's a normal package now that you can install or de-install to your liking |
| 02:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | once it been in metapkg |
| 02:24.13 | Oksanaa | Okay... What's the fish with failing to check downloaded files? gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Can't exec "sha256sum": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Checksums.pm line 92. |
| 02:24.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | what it says |
| 02:24.52 | stryngs | 21:54 < OneM_Industries> https://archive.is/tGCkU Dang, I think we all need to vote on this. Basically, the FCC wants to make it impossible to put third party or free software on anything that can use bluetooth or wireless. |
| 02:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Can't exec "sha256sum" |
| 02:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | less +"92g" /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Checksums.pm |
| 02:27.03 | Oksanaa | Okay, then cannot industry take the most commonly used bluetooth chip, and hire ethical hackers to find 1001 critical bugs in their code? |
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| 02:28.01 | Oksanaa | As a show-case about third parties being essential requirement for any kind of security? |
| 02:32.40 | stryngs | If you have a Twitter, help to get the word out. #SaveWifi is the tag. |
| 02:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900/2015-09-01#13881634; |
| 02:37.36 | Oksanaa | Okay, will lhc provide sha256sum program, or do I have to get busybox-power? |
| 02:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | GNU coreutils |
| 02:39.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind messybox-power |
| 02:40.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I guess I got it from binutils prolly |
| 02:43.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/30995222 |
| 02:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# which sha256sum |
| 02:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/gnu/sha256sum |
| 02:44.40 | Oksanaa | busybox conflicts coreutils. So, how? |
| 02:44.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | lhc? |
| 02:45.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought they fixed that |
| 02:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I guess I installed them via dpkg and I made sure they install into /usr/bin/gnu/* |
| 02:48.29 | Oksanaa | Trying coreutils-gnu |
| 02:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 02:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh yeah |
| 02:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/49675458 |
| 02:50.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually http://paste.opensuse.org/69562294 |
| 02:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway while you're at it: http://paste.opensuse.org/11034728 |
| 02:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and fix your $PATH |
| 02:55.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# echo $PATH |
| 02:55.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 02:57.20 | Oksanaa | There are pastebins for text, images, small videos.... What about sound? Music notes? |
| 02:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat .bashrc |
| 02:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for interactive shells. |
| 02:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | #PATH=/usr/bin/gnu:$PATH |
| 02:58.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | PATH=$(echo $PATH|sed "s.:/usr/bin:.:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:.;s.:/usr/sbin:.:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:.") |
| 02:59.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 03:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#proper_bash_and_tools |
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| 06:36.10 | KotCzarny | oksana: imgur is sometimes overloaded |
| 06:36.24 | KotCzarny | and rightly so, its one of the best image sharers |
| 06:39.36 | kerio | the direct links to images usually work |
| 06:43.23 | KotCzarny | not always |
| 06:43.32 | KotCzarny | sometimes even direct links time out |
| 06:43.47 | KotCzarny | curse of popularity |
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| 08:48.25 | totalizator | btw - any chance to make imgur share plugin for n900 auth capable? |
| 08:48.56 | KotCzarny | answer is: maybe, who is the maintainer/developer? |
| 08:49.39 | totalizator | dude, I'm a script kiddie not an archeologist |
| 08:49.45 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 08:49.59 | KotCzarny | even script kiddies grow up a little |
| 08:50.05 | KotCzarny | if the need arises |
| 08:50.15 | totalizator | argh, you got me |
| 08:51.34 | KotCzarny | im compiling oscp for 64bit cygwin |
| 08:51.40 | KotCzarny | lets see how well it goes |
| 08:51.57 | KotCzarny | maybe i will write proper makefile one day |
| 09:02.01 | totalizator | impossible O__O |
| 09:02.18 | totalizator | fingers crossed |
| 09:11.05 | KotCzarny | i love fixing stuff by commenting code out, eh |
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| 09:12.45 | buZz | anyone been able to fix WPA Enterprise on Maemo ? |
| 09:13.01 | buZz | it seems to be lacking a anonymous identity field |
| 09:13.14 | buZz | thus our radius doesnt know where to auth me ;( |
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| 10:20.27 | ceene | I'm quite happy with the new Yappari release |
| 10:20.50 | ceene | i've solved quite a few things |
| 10:22.58 | ceene | i still don't understand how people find my thread on the forums, are able to read the first post to find my email, replace the #@# by @ and write me emails, but they are still unable to clock on the links to download the fcking .deb files |
| 10:23.10 | ceene | *to click |
| 10:27.01 | KotCzarny | magic |
| 10:27.21 | KotCzarny | put email under the deb? |
| 10:30.48 | ceene | the deb files have my email as maintainer and all that |
| 10:30.56 | ceene | but my email is only on the changelog |
| 10:31.08 | ceene | I'd assume that people would read the fucking post |
| 10:31.22 | KotCzarny | put the debs at the end of the post |
| 10:31.41 | ceene | but no, there's some people with the ability to skim read everything to search for an email address and write me instead of reading |
| 10:32.10 | ceene | they are highlighted, just below a big bold " LATEST VERSION: 2.0.16" |
| 10:32.12 | ceene | anyway |
| 10:32.34 | ceene | the strangest thing of all is the people that ask me what "extras" is |
| 10:32.54 | ceene | as if... i don't know, as if the n900 were a phone that was released yesterday |
| 10:33.08 | KotCzarny | add a link to: |
| 10:33.11 | ceene | that, i find it amusing |
| 10:33.11 | KotCzarny | ~extras |
| 10:33.11 | infobot | from memory, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 10:33.16 | KotCzarny | and/or: |
| 10:33.18 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 10:33.18 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 10:33.32 | ceene | but... how people don't know about that? |
| 10:33.40 | KotCzarny | there are still NEW n900 users, would you imagine? |
| 10:33.45 | ceene | yep |
| 10:33.46 | ceene | but |
| 10:33.51 | ceene | i consider myself new, in fact |
| 10:34.01 | ceene | my first and only n900 is from just a year and a half |
| 10:34.13 | ceene | but i had read the full wiki and lots of forum threads before deciding to get one |
| 10:34.15 | KotCzarny | my first and only n900 is from just a 6 years |
| 10:34.25 | ceene | i knew how to flash it before i had ever seen one |
| 10:34.41 | KotCzarny | maybe people get them because they are cheap and have hw kb |
| 10:34.44 | ceene | i wouldn't get a 10 year old phone without knowing what it can and can't do |
| 10:35.08 | KotCzarny | imagine that phrase 'n900 is cheap' |
| 10:35.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:35.30 | ceene | dunno, there are android phones for 60 euros |
| 10:45.56 | Sicelo | ceene: thanks for the new Yappari :) |
| 10:49.11 | Sicelo | are you 100% sure? :-O .... 18:27 < DocScrutinizer05> kerio: nope, again wrong (about being wrong) - actually when D+- isn't shorted then the N900 does not charge *at all* |
| 10:50.09 | KotCzarny | wouldnt that mean n900 would be picky about chargers? |
| 10:50.40 | KotCzarny | i've used many kinds of chargers (even some cheapo ones) and it always worked fine |
| 10:50.50 | KotCzarny | even if samsungs complained/ignored |
| 10:51.05 | ceene | Sicelo: you're welcome :) |
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| 11:36.16 | buZz | KotCzarny: i'm one :P |
| 11:36.23 | buZz | found a n800 in a pile of old hw |
| 11:36.34 | buZz | dont care about GSM/phone hw |
| 11:36.37 | buZz | but love a nice PDA |
| 11:36.42 | KotCzarny | n800 or n900? |
| 11:36.49 | buZz | n800 |
| 11:36.57 | buZz | omap2420 iirc |
| 11:36.59 | KotCzarny | might i interest you in oscp? |
| 11:37.19 | buZz | Offensive Security Certified Professional (OSCP) Certification ? |
| 11:37.28 | KotCzarny | old schol console player |
| 11:37.32 | KotCzarny | *school |
| 11:37.37 | buZz | have a link? :) |
| 11:37.40 | KotCzarny | ~oscp |
| 11:37.40 | infobot | i heard oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 |
| 11:38.04 | buZz | still need to install diablo :) |
| 11:38.26 | buZz | impressive format list KotCzarny |
| 11:38.39 | KotCzarny | mostly libav and modules |
| 11:38.45 | KotCzarny | and midi |
| 11:39.37 | buZz | very cute |
| 11:40.04 | KotCzarny | n800's dpad works nicely for navigation |
| 11:40.28 | buZz | really like the shape of device |
| 11:40.35 | buZz | smaller than most modern 'cellphones' |
| 11:40.37 | buZz | :P |
| 11:40.54 | KotCzarny | i like the dual full size sd slots |
| 11:41.11 | buZz | yeah, but, does diablo support >8GB ? |
| 11:41.16 | KotCzarny | most likely |
| 11:41.33 | KotCzarny | i think someone put 2x256G there |
| 11:41.44 | KotCzarny | could require updated kernel |
| 11:41.48 | buZz | sexy |
| 11:41.53 | KotCzarny | so flash to diablo |
| 11:42.06 | buZz | i will |
| 11:42.10 | buZz | after work :P |
| 11:42.56 | KotCzarny | i guess you would like console (local or via ssh) and/or remote interface of oscp |
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| 12:50.50 | Oksanaa | I have done apt-get source as root, which has probably created confusing permissions. I am not yet at the stage to care... |
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| 12:51.46 | buZz | KotCzarny: nah even the maemo appearance looks good :) |
| 12:53.01 | Wizzup | well, status update |
| 12:53.05 | Wizzup | it boots, like previously |
| 12:53.10 | Wizzup | using usbnet + telnetd I have access now |
| 12:53.19 | Wizzup | but mount still fails with 'invalid argument' |
| 12:53.24 | Wizzup | on all mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 partitions |
| 12:53.29 | Wizzup | and I don't see any more debug |
| 12:53.39 | Wizzup | I *CAN* reboot and pass debug to the kernel args |
| 12:53.43 | Wizzup | but hoping I can do that runtime. |
| 12:53.48 | KotCzarny | dmesg ? |
| 12:57.07 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: nothing new is added after failed mounts |
| 12:57.14 | Wizzup | guess I have to reboot with debug params |
| 12:57.21 | KotCzarny | dmesg -s 999999|grep -i mmc |
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| 12:57.31 | KotCzarny | check for anything erranous |
| 12:57.42 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: the problem is that the kernel writes nothing *new* to dmesg after a mou9nt |
| 12:57.58 | Wizzup | I am already looking at dmesg |
| 12:58.22 | KotCzarny | can you upload it somewhere? |
| 12:58.49 | Wizzup | yes |
| 12:59.38 | Wizzup | http://sprunge.us/KMCg |
| 12:59.58 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 13:00.26 | Wizzup | # mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/root/ |
| 13:00.27 | Wizzup | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /mnt/root/ failed: Invalid argument |
| 13:00.32 | Wizzup | the same for all mmcblkXX devices |
| 13:00.34 | KotCzarny | does dd </dev/mmcblk0 >/tmp/ppp count=1 work? |
| 13:01.23 | Wizzup | yes |
| 13:01.45 | Wizzup | and it is just not zeroes |
| 13:01.48 | Wizzup | not just* |
| 13:02.50 | KotCzarny | try adding -t vfat or -t ext4 ? |
| 13:03.04 | KotCzarny | and -o ro just in case |
| 13:05.45 | Wizzup | will after the reboot |
| 13:06.05 | KotCzarny | also i wonder if this is related: [ 6.973480] LUN: removable file: (no medium) |
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| 13:10.32 | buZz | hiya Wizzup :) |
| 13:15.34 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: total pebcak |
| 13:15.36 | Wizzup | will explain in a bit |
| 13:15.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:15.54 | KotCzarny | good thing it works |
| 13:16.11 | Wizzup | not yet |
| 13:16.18 | Wizzup | but I didn't cat arch/arm/boot/zImage arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dtb > zImage |
| 13:16.21 | Wizzup | after a make |
| 13:16.26 | Wizzup | was using old kernel |
| 13:16.29 | Wizzup | with no ext4 support still |
| 13:17.57 | KotCzarny | but vfat should work anyway |
| 13:18.52 | KotCzarny | maybe driver just caches first 512kB of the device |
| 13:20.16 | Wizzup | works!!! |
| 13:20.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:20.22 | Wizzup | awesomesauce |
| 13:20.25 | Wizzup | I am such an idiot |
| 13:20.51 | KotCzarny | well, since you've fixed it, your not such an idiot |
| 13:20.55 | KotCzarny | *you're |
| 13:20.59 | Wizzup | the hint came from cat /proc/partitions |
| 13:21.01 | Wizzup | had no ext4 |
| 13:21.04 | Wizzup | typed uname -a |
| 13:21.07 | Wizzup | saw it was from 2 days ago |
| 13:21.28 | KotCzarny | yeah, -t ext4 |
| 13:22.43 | Wizzup | that was not required in the end |
| 13:22.44 | Wizzup | the -t ext4 |
| 13:23.07 | KotCzarny | yeah, but could explicitely tell you its not compiled in |
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| 13:26.12 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: yep, it did |
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| 14:19.52 | Wizzup | also works without initrd |
| 14:23.14 | KotCzarny | cool |
| 14:23.20 | Wizzup | ! :) |
| 14:23.25 | Wizzup | wifi works too |
| 14:30.18 | Vajb | pff 34th move checkmate |
| 14:30.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:30.50 | Vajb | soon i will start to keep record |
| 14:31.32 | Vajb | then i can be happy for breaking moves record :) |
| 14:35.01 | Ras_Older | Oh ffs my N900's battery is really starting to die. 1½ hours unused in my pocket and the charge had went steadily to zero according to BatteryGraph.. Should I now order that monster battery or just external portable battery pack :D |
| 14:36.47 | KotCzarny | maybe something was running in the bg? |
| 14:36.51 | Ras_Older | http://www.mugenbattery.com/mugen-power-extended-capacity-battery-2400mah-for-nokia-n900/ well dunno that is bit pricey for my liking |
| 14:36.58 | KotCzarny | ~polarcell |
| 14:36.58 | infobot | well, polarcell is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement |
| 14:37.36 | Wizzup | +1 for those |
| 14:37.48 | Wizzup | Bought about 5 of those |
| 14:37.50 | Wizzup | polarcell is good |
| 14:38.01 | Ras_Older | ah and its local brand too :'D |
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| 14:55.05 | charlie79 | hello :) |
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| 15:25.02 | Wizzup | Luke-Jr: I have a mainline kernel (4.1.0-rc4 from pali's repo) running gentoo on my n900 atm |
| 15:25.10 | Wizzup | Going to look at your wiki page later and see if I can get gprs and stuff to work |
| 15:25.22 | bencoh | pali's repo is not mainline |
| 15:26.07 | Wizzup | It's close to mainline |
| 15:26.13 | Wizzup | But you're right. |
| 15:28.24 | Luke-Jr | Wizzup: cool. seems that may be the only viable way to do Gentoo soon |
| 15:28.40 | Luke-Jr | Wizzup: my concern is that I don't want to lose full Maemo functioning :/ |
| 15:28.43 | Wizzup | I mean, I don't compile on the n900 (I have ARM machines that I can just chroot into the n900 sd card) |
| 15:28.49 | Wizzup | Luke-Jr: this is on a sd card |
| 15:28.51 | Wizzup | maemo still works fine |
| 15:29.03 | Wizzup | (although admittedly I am using a spare n900) |
| 15:29.05 | Luke-Jr | Wizzup: with the 4.1 kernel? |
| 15:29.11 | Wizzup | yes |
| 15:29.27 | Luke-Jr | even GPRS, voice calls, etc? |
| 15:29.59 | Wizzup | I need to test that. In theory it should work. |
| 15:30.22 | Wizzup | I mean, I got it booting only just now. Wifi works. usb gadgets work. |
| 15:30.33 | Wizzup | I first want to get usb host to work, then I will look at gprs and stuff. |
| 15:31.16 | Sicelo | hehe, Wizzup & Luke-Jr aren't on the same page afaict .. |
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| 15:31.37 | Sicelo | Wizzup: you're saying your Maemo is working with 4.1 kernel? 100%? |
| 15:31.45 | Wizzup | No. |
| 15:31.48 | Wizzup | I am not using maemo at all. |
| 15:31.51 | Wizzup | I said gentoo was booting |
| 15:31.51 | Sicelo | :) |
| 15:31.59 | Luke-Jr | [15:28:51] <Wizzup> maemo still works fine |
| 15:32.01 | Wizzup | There is also maemo on the device, that still works fine. |
| 15:32.08 | Wizzup | Yes... but not with that kernel |
| 15:32.11 | Wizzup | I mean, I have not even tried |
| 15:32.13 | Wizzup | But I doubt t. |
| 15:32.17 | Wizzup | doubt it |
| 15:32.22 | Wizzup | All /sys entries etc are different |
| 15:32.27 | Wizzup | Let alone that 3d accel probably doesn't work |
| 15:32.35 | Wizzup | I don't think maemo has a graceful fallback for that |
| 15:32.47 | Wizzup | I plan to write my own ui |
| 15:33.46 | Sicelo | you want usb host in gentoo? |
| 15:34.11 | Luke-Jr | Wizzup: I want to be able to chroot maemo->gentoo. Which means Maemo needs to work 100% in whatever kernel I update to. |
| 15:34.59 | Wizzup | ah, yeah, I don't care about that |
| 15:35.04 | Wizzup | Sicelo: yes, I want to get the usb host to work |
| 15:35.08 | Wizzup | (at some point) |
| 15:38.47 | Pali | hi, sry but I do not have time now... nor in next three weeks |
| 15:43.03 | Wizzup | Pali: ah, no worries, I do not think I need your time :) |
| 15:43.08 | Wizzup | I'm just happy with 4.1.0 booting |
| 15:43.45 | Pali | if you find some bugs, feel free to write patches and send them to specific linux kernel mailing list |
| 15:44.16 | Wizzup | ack |
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| 16:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ras_Older: BatteryGraph? tztztz. The tool that shows how it depletes the battery? |
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| 16:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: ((Which means Maemo needs to work 100% in whatever kernel I update to.)) I don't know of a *single* OS that is capable to do that. Let alone maemo which has closed blobs |
| 16:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I highly doubnt a Gentoo compiled to work on a 4.x kernel would happily work on a 2.x kernel, and vice versa |
| 16:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm almost absolutely sure it won't |
| 16:30.35 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: as long as you don't go beyond glibc 2.19, it will |
| 16:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *might* be able to create a unified rootfs when you have two particular kernel APIs that you want to make work in that (or out of that) OS. Linux is pretty flexible in that regard. A lot of work but can be done. Generic "works with all kernels" however: no way! |
| 16:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel devels have an annoying habit to never keep e.g. /sys/* and /dev/* paths stable |
| 16:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure there's more than just that which you need to take care of |
| 16:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then there's X11 and all the freedesktop.org stuff on top of that |
| 16:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly kexec is your best bet |
| 16:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ras_Older: use zzztop! |
| 16:45.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even before that, use simple top to see which process gogs your CPU. Make sure your WLAN doesn't search for APs constantly. Stop resp quit all processes that constantly chat with internet (like skyhost aka skype) |
| 16:46.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/gogs/hogs/ |
| 16:46.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure your USB isn't spinning busy in detecting attached hosts, or worse itself is trying to do hostmode |
| 16:47.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you don't have constant audio streams that stream silence to the soundcard all the time |
| 16:48.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | since that keeps CPU busy and amplifiers and mixer and I2S active |
| 16:49.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | close all browser windows since they nowadays *always* have some crappy JS that constantly hogs CPU even when the canvas isn't visible (aka app in background) |
| 16:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | some even have youtube-alike movies embedded, often for ads, which constantly do internet traffic which can cost a *lot* of battery, depending on your RAT (2G, 3G, WLAN, in no particular order) |
| 16:51.27 | KotCzarny | audio is easily detectably in top |
| 16:51.34 | KotCzarny | as it churns the pulseaudio |
| 16:51.51 | KotCzarny | *detectable |
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| 18:57.18 | Ras_Older | DocScrutinizer05: Thank you for the information! I'll try to monitor the situation without BatteryGraph next. |
| 18:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ras_Older: lots of applets are known to be very poorly designed and hogging your battery |
| 18:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and prolly 2/3 of battery monitoring apps are actually the hugest drain for battery |
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| 19:00.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | an app that displays a graph on wallpaper or in window and updates that graph 10 times per second even when not visible is clearly something that should get nuked from all devices and repositories |
| 19:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are a stunning scary lot of such fubar applets and apps |
| 19:02.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | weather apps that re-fetch the data from internet every time they gain focus resp visibility |
| 19:02.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | clock and batterygraph apps that refresh with a 10Hz timer |
| 19:03.06 | buZz | awesome :P |
| 19:03.10 | buZz | hehe |
| 19:03.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then there's all that "P2P" stuff that does a lot of internet chatting for no *good* reason and thus cuts through your battery by keeping the modem TX active all the time |
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| 19:09.36 | KotCzarny | battery-eye is nice |
| 19:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | "nice" is not a relevant parameter here |
| 19:25.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even as function cal ;-) |
| 19:31.01 | Sicelo | you in-niced his connection! |
| 19:31.15 | Sicelo | s/in/un/ |
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| 21:26.55 | buZz | sweet, someone made a entire videoseries of 'fresh n8x0 pimping' |
| 21:26.56 | buZz | :P |
| 21:27.10 | buZz | cloning os to SD etc |
| 21:27.41 | buZz | on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294 |
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| 22:00.15 | mtnman | elho |
| 22:02.51 | stryngs | hi |
| 22:02.59 | mtnman | whassup? |
| 22:03.07 | stryngs | working |
| 22:03.08 | stryngs | u? |
| 22:03.29 | mtnman | reinstalling cssu after reflashing |
| 22:03.38 | stryngs | f-u-n |
| 22:03.53 | mtnman | F-U-N, even |
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| 22:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | mtnman: restoring a BM backup is prolly faster than reinstalling CSSU |
| 22:31.07 | mtnman | what is bm backup? it doesn't sound so good :D |
| 22:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 22:31.14 | infobot | i guess backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 22:32.11 | mtnman | well i already did restore my backup menu... but the cssu source didn't show up in application mgr |
| 22:32.29 | mtnman | anyhow, cssu is now installing... all is well. |
| 22:36.31 | Sicelo | looks like N900 is thicker than N810 .. wondering why |
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| 22:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, a number of reasons, mostly prolly the main camera module |
| 22:37.40 | Sicelo | ah, that one makes sense :) |
| 22:38.06 | Sicelo | because cellmo shouldn't really add thickness in this particular case at least |
| 22:39.12 | Sicelo | i find that my interest in Nokia N810 is growing. pity i don't see any in local markets |
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| 23:23.41 | sixwheeledbeast | Well i would think cellular would take a fair amount of space |
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