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| 03:52.13 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 03:53.56 | mtnman | hello all maemoans |
| 03:54.04 | mtnman | or is it maemoers? |
| 03:54.13 | mtnman | maemoites? |
| 03:54.35 | mtnman | is there anybody out there? |
| 03:54.56 | mtnman | just not if you can hear me... |
| 03:54.59 | mtnman | nod even |
| 03:58.36 | jon_y | maemo's DEAD! |
| 03:58.42 | jon_y | DEAAAAAAAAD! |
| 03:58.44 | jon_y | :) |
| 03:59.56 | mtnman | what? |
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| 04:57.56 | KotCzarny | oksanaa: yes, it works |
| 04:58.14 | KotCzarny | most likely diablo's elinks isnt compiled with ssl |
| 05:02.49 | KotCzarny | oksana: if you want i can try compiling it for diablo too and see |
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| 07:15.26 | Vajb | nwolf900: do you have cssu-features installed? Also check from "clockmenu or powerkeymeny" that you dont have orientation lock ticked. |
| 07:23.29 | Vajb | question about qml-browser. Is there a way to make it zoom in if click of a link wasn't precice enough? That's how opera behaves and i got used to feature. |
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| 08:30.13 | Vajb | nvm. I think it's no longer needed. I installed new screen protector and can safely say that I should have done it few months ago. |
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| 08:33.40 | KotCzarny | vajb, i havent used qml-browser, but did you try two finger zoom or volume key? |
| 08:37.43 | Vajb | it zooms via volume keys, but that's not what i needed |
| 08:38.37 | Vajb | i wanted something like from 100% to 200% with one tap |
| 08:38.41 | KotCzarny | so you mean some automatic misclick detection? |
| 08:38.57 | KotCzarny | or just zoom-on-tap in the non-link place? |
| 08:39.15 | Vajb | i guess volume key does 10% at a time |
| 08:40.19 | Vajb | if there is two links close to each other and screen can't tell which i tap it could zoom in to make them bigger and easier to tap. |
| 08:41.13 | Vajb | and this is the place where someone tells me to use "pen" :) |
| 08:41.30 | KotCzarny | of nail |
| 08:41.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:48.36 | Vajb | :p |
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| 09:29.56 | Wizzup | hmm... |
| 09:30.19 | Wizzup | wanting to dual boot and I get this error when trying to install "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1": "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy" |
| 09:30.30 | Wizzup | (I want to dual boot so I can try the mainline kernel.) |
| 09:32.13 | Wizzup | trying it using apt-get now |
| 09:32.26 | Sicelo | conflits with PK? |
| 09:32.44 | Wizzup | That seems to work |
| 09:32.49 | Wizzup | I don't think I have PK installed on this one |
| 09:32.55 | Wizzup | This is pretty much plain flash + cssu update |
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| 09:47.41 | kerio | Wizzup: honestly, for stuff like that you probably want to use apt-get, to keep as much control over what's happening as possible |
| 09:48.23 | Wizzup | I did |
| 09:48.25 | Wizzup | :) |
| 09:53.16 | Vajb | any advice how to turn off that blue led caused by usbhostmode? Without reboot. |
| 09:54.11 | Vajb | stop-start mce turns it off temporarily, but it's lit immediately after mce restarts |
| 09:55.18 | kerio | i get all sorts of leds stuck every once in a while |
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| 09:57.12 | Sicelo | Vajb: reboot only :) |
| 09:57.21 | Sicelo | email Pali .. he wanted to fix it |
| 09:57.36 | Vajb | meh |
| 09:58.04 | Sicelo | btw, it only happens on one of my N900. the other is perfectly fine. i wish i knew why the difference |
| 09:58.54 | Wizzup | Vajb: I just switch the n900 to non hostmode and it turns off |
| 09:59.20 | Sicelo | so Wizzup's got a good one :) |
| 09:59.27 | Sicelo | Vajb: you're on thumb? |
| 10:00.08 | Sicelo | my "bad" one is a thumb device, and the "good" one is not. both are CSSU, and same kernel |
| 10:00.18 | Vajb | Sicelo: that's what it used to do for me too, but today it failed to make hostmode connection. And now led is lit no matter what |
| 10:00.29 | Sicelo | maybe i should compare their mce.ini |
| 10:00.49 | Vajb | even succesfull host mode on and off |
| 10:04.48 | Wizzup | I think my good one is on thumb |
| 10:06.07 | Vajb | argh i thought i did it, but it's back |
| 10:06.52 | Vajb | sent dbus deactivate to PatternBoost |
| 10:07.04 | Vajb | it was off like 10 seconds |
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| 10:41.21 | KotCzarny | something turns it on apparently |
| 10:46.59 | Vajb | hmm could it be? |
| 10:47.03 | Vajb | ;) |
| 10:47.43 | Vajb | mdbus2 has no info on com.nokia.mce |
| 10:49.20 | Vajb | saw two instances of mce in powertop results, but killing highest priority one made just same effect than stop mce |
| 10:49.42 | Vajb | going for lower one now |
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| 10:59.13 | Vajb | 10627 | 1 | mce | tsc2005_start_scan (tsc2005_esd_timer_handler) |
| 10:59.56 | Vajb | that shows up in powertop but that pid doesn't excist when i try to kill it |
| 11:01.29 | Vajb | reboot |
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| 11:07.04 | Vajb | after reboot there is just one instance of mce |
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| 11:28.17 | Pali | hi, if you need to test patched usbmode.sh, please drop me email |
| 11:28.27 | Pali | Sicelo Vajb 6 |
| 11:28.28 | Pali | 6 |
| 11:28.31 | Pali | ^ |
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| 11:36.38 | Vajb | Pali: to do that i need your email address |
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| 12:12.35 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 12:45.12 | nwolf900 | 10x, Vajb |
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| 13:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I got sth for you to chew on ;-) https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/f632ea92329bc9197daf02ea4baceddceb89a6be/drivers/char/diag Maybe you can understand the structure (way faster than I would) and tell me how it basically works (upward interface, downward interface (which I suppose is HSI or SDI)) - we would like to have that thing for USB attached Qualcomm chipset. Is it feasible? |
| 13:13.51 | Pali | "This enables diagchar for maemo usb gadget" |
| 13:13.54 | Pali | what is that?? |
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| 13:18.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | what?? |
| 13:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | where? |
| 13:19.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just found https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/f632ea92329bc9197daf02ea4baceddceb89a6be/drivers/char/diag/diagchar.h#108 |
| 13:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: am I right that this driver could link a /dev/diag_char (or whatever the name) to a USB? |
| 13:20.50 | Pali | https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/f632ea92329bc9197daf02ea4baceddceb89a6be/drivers/char/diag/Kconfig#10 |
| 13:21.08 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: I do not know now |
| 13:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 13:21.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | @maemo |
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| 13:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: we got a Qualcomm chipset in PHS8, there's https://opensource.srlabs.de/projects/snoopsnitch that needs Qualcomm DIAG_CHAR kernel driver to work, and there's https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/f632ea92329bc9197daf02ea4baceddceb89a6be/drivers/char/diag/Kconfig#10 and https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/f632ea92329bc9197daf02ea4baceddceb89a6be/drivers/char/diag/diagchar.h#108 |
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| 14:06.15 | kerio | infobot just warned me that IRCing as root is a bad idea |
| 14:06.17 | infobot | that's too long, kerio |
| 14:06.25 | kerio | sod off |
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| 14:47.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, maybe there's an onjoin for kerio configured in infobot? |
| 14:47.37 | kerio | no, my hostmask matched *!root@* |
| 14:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot doesn't do that sort of automatic messages afaik |
| 14:48.10 | kerio | on the other hand |
| 14:48.11 | kerio | IT DID |
| 14:48.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, maybe because I once asked it to do ;-) |
| 14:48.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | years ago |
| 14:49.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | however such onjoin always is for particular users, so I had exactly you in mind when asking infobot to do this (*if* I even did) |
| 14:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll sort it out, sorry for the inconvenience |
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| 14:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least I'll try to find out what's going on and stop it |
| 14:50.24 | rootie | hrm, no ident on this server |
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| 16:36.59 | Vajb | up with new usbmode.sh |
| 16:38.19 | Vajb | Pali: it says "error: setting usb mode is not supported" |
| 16:38.32 | Vajb | when i click usb mode in menu |
| 16:38.54 | Vajb | i replaced file and rebooted |
| 16:38.59 | Pali | and is script working? |
| 16:39.26 | Vajb | how to confirm? |
| 16:39.31 | Pali | run it? |
| 16:41.37 | Vajb | it works if i run it in terminal, but not from menu |
| 16:41.55 | Vajb | trying host mode now |
| 16:45.43 | Vajb | same problem persist. Blue led is lit and ca't be turned of |
| 16:45.57 | Vajb | host mode works tho |
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| 19:14.11 | Vajb | back |
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| 19:25.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, Pali forgot that Vajb is a end user who needs precise instructions e.g. regarding sudo gainroot (aka simply `root`) etc |
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| 19:39.55 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: we debugged till Pali asked me to compile hald-addon-bme and we decided to wait for Sicelo's output :D |
| 19:40.26 | Vajb | err DocScrutinizer05 compile hald-addon-bme with debug symbols |
| 19:44.22 | Vajb | but im just wondering am i the only end user in this channel? Or others are wiser and shut up :D |
| 19:44.40 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 19:44.55 | KotCzarny | truth is end users dont know about irc |
| 19:45.10 | KotCzarny | so anyone on irc is considered above 'end user' |
| 19:46.04 | Vajb | oooh! So im finally that exception that makes the rule :) |
| 19:46.12 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 19:46.25 | KotCzarny | once you discovered irc, you are not end user anymore |
| 19:47.24 | Vajb | hmm does it count if i discovered irc ten years before i bought maemo device? |
| 19:47.35 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 19:47.42 | Vajb | hmm actually 12 years |
| 19:47.55 | KotCzarny | doesnt matter when, if you know irc, you arent classical luser anymore |
| 19:48.28 | Vajb | so that makes me more like ameba which doesn't develope |
| 19:49.50 | KotCzarny | you apparently never met/supported luser |
| 19:51.21 | Vajb | i think i did, but under different circumstations. |
| 19:51.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:53.36 | Vajb | and i suppose any lusers cut&paste abilities are brilliant :) |
| 19:53.51 | KotCzarny | you would be surprised |
| 19:54.31 | Vajb | well obviously they need how and where also |
| 19:55.27 | KotCzarny | asking them to paste sudo rm -rf / in the terminal sometimes works |
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| 19:56.31 | Vajb | hmm this sounds very much like deltree and so on under windows |
| 19:56.37 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 19:56.59 | Vajb | what is -rf exactly? |
| 19:57.07 | KotCzarny | in original it was seven letters of doom for noobs |
| 19:57.19 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.32 | Vajb | ah |
| 19:57.46 | Vajb | so basically remove evything ask nothing |
| 19:57.50 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 19:58.11 | KotCzarny | thats why one should never paste unknown commands |
| 19:58.16 | KotCzarny | read about shell bomb too |
| 19:58.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:58.20 | Vajb | cool. Now we just need an app for it :) |
| 19:59.09 | Vajb | well that's just common sense |
| 20:05.46 | KotCzarny | as i said, you would be surprised |
| 20:05.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:07.01 | Vajb | heh. Vajb in wonderland |
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| 21:12.56 | Sicelo | Vajb_: hald-addon-bme? in connection with usb-mode issue? |
| 21:13.51 | Vajb_ | Pali told me that hald-addon-bme is responsible for light |
| 21:15.14 | Vajb_ | and actually i managed to turn off the blue led by issuing "kill hald-addon-bme, stop mce, start mce, stop mce, start mce" , but Pali told me it is not goos to go and adviced to reboot |
| 21:15.33 | Vajb_ | goos=good* |
| 21:16.12 | Sicelo | i guess dsme won't like that stop mce too much |
| 21:17.06 | Vajb_ | so Sicelo it's up to you now. Compile hald-addon-bme with debug symbols and see what prints /tmp/hald-addon-bme.log IF i recall all that correctly. |
| 21:18.00 | Vajb_ | well if you do too much start and stop mce it eventually refuses to start mce for awhile |
| 21:19.04 | Sicelo | yes, dsme begins to think something's wrong with mce .. if you keep forcing it, dsme will simply reboot device anyway |
| 21:20.51 | Sicelo | i'll have to find time for compiling .. haven't booted my scratchbox in a long time |
| 21:24.37 | Vajb | Sicelo: be sure to ask confirmed instructions from Pali. My explanation can't be trusted that much :) |
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| 22:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | stop mce is safe. kill mce isn't |
| 22:08.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks hald-addon-bme shouldn't mess with notifier light |
| 22:08.17 | bencoh | start/stop/start/stop/start/stop doesn't seem to be safe either |
| 22:08.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 22:09.13 | bencoh | I had n900 reboot a few times when doing this |
| 22:10.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno (to lazy to look up) what `stop mce` or `start nmce` does. Could check in upstart event files. But I'd guess it actually *tells* dsme to stop the mce process, so dsme should be happy with that, no matter how often you do it |
| 22:10.59 | bencoh | unless there is a silly timer somewhere or a race (or both) |
| 22:11.27 | Vajb | if you do stop-start cycle too many times in certain time period. Mce refuses to start for few minutes. |
| 22:12.16 | Vajb | but no forced reboot for me today. |
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| 22:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/35983988 http://paste.opensuse.org/43524056 |
| 22:20.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there's a problem with repeatedly doing `start mce` && `stop mce` then that's a bug in dsme |
| 22:24.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: how does "refuses to start" manifest? |
| 22:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, what's the error message? |
| 22:26.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | or does upstart return without error msg and yet there's no mce process in process list, after `start mce` ? |
| 22:29.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# initctl status mce |
| 22:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | mce (start) running |
| 22:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/45586020 |
| 22:30.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# status mce |
| 22:30.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | mce (start) running |
| 22:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and device forgot it's connected to fastcharger, after `stop mce && sleep 5 && start mce` (or my USB starts getting old, seen problems with it before) |
| 22:38.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | DANG! could somebody please fix dsme(tool)? http://paste.opensuse.org/71910775 |
| 22:40.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously somebody had a massive hangover, not resetting dsme's internal restart counter on killing a process with -k |
| 22:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | (hangover while coding) |
| 22:41.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 22:42.33 | bencoh | "not resetting dsme's internal restart counter on killing a process with -k" so that's a timer/counter issue ? |
| 22:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a bug in dsme |
| 22:44.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | it increments internal restart-counters on each start, but forgets to reset them on killing the same job |
| 22:44.55 | bencoh | meh :)) |
| 22:45.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | formally this is in line with the specs, but it's a highly unexpected and nonsensical behavior |
| 22:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the respawn-counter should count process aborts that are NOT initiated by dsme. And it probably should even reset the internal counter on any start command for a process |
| 22:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all the whole thing is meant to keep processes alive and worst case automatically restart them. Not block user from manually restarting them |
| 22:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^^ |
| 22:50.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen freemangordon |
| 22:50.37 | infobot | freemangordon <~ivo@46.249.74.23> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13d 11h 22m 31s ago, saying: 'spongie: nice talk, but I have to leave. still, try to resurrect your n900 with booting rescueos on it :)'. |
| 22:50.38 | Pali | do you mean hald-addon-bme? |
| 22:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I meant dsme which is borked |
| 22:51.04 | Pali | HAL is broken by design... we cannot fix this *addon*s problems |
| 22:52.01 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: that paste log is not from dsme but from upstart |
| 22:52.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | (HAL) well, I wondered whether hald-addon-bme is the right process to send notification dbus msgs to mce |
| 22:52.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I know that |
| 22:52.30 | Pali | and it is problem in upstart |
| 22:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | however http://paste.opensuse.org/35983988 |
| 22:52.37 | Pali | "respawning too fast, stopped" |
| 22:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 22:53.02 | Pali | no idea how to fix that maemonized upstart |
| 22:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | then upstart is *really* idiotic program |
| 22:53.10 | Pali | this is maemo upstart |
| 22:53.18 | Pali | normal ubuntu upstart do not do that |
| 22:53.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still guess it's a dsme message |
| 22:53.36 | Pali | years ago I tried to fix that problem, but no chance... |
| 22:53.55 | Pali | no this is upstart for sure, I know that! |
| 22:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I could try. but not now, about to get that beer that's waiting for me out there :-) |
| 22:54.56 | Pali | dsme autorespawn works fine |
| 22:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, when you say you know, I won't bother to check. You know your shit. However it's a pity we can't fix it |
| 22:55.57 | Pali | fix could be possible, but that means to read and understand that old maemonized upstart code |
| 22:55.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | what did they do to maemo upstart? |
| 22:56.10 | Pali | which is not ubuntu upstart |
| 22:56.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sucks |
| 22:57.23 | Pali | I do not want to touch init process without 100% knowledge of all changes |
| 22:57.27 | Pali | this is high risk |
| 22:57.48 | Pali | broken pid 1 means non working system |
| 22:57.55 | Pali | without way to recover |
| 22:58.45 | kerio | let's just move to systemd |
| 22:58.59 | kerio | :> |
| 22:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes I know :-) However I guess PID1 *is* broken. Look at http://paste.opensuse.org/98152157, says it all already. I feel an urge to bash somebody |
| 22:59.01 | Pali | leave this channel |
| 23:02.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Alternatively if --by-id is given...<< WTF?! where is this listed? |
| 23:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | this prolly is >> -i, --id arguments are job ids, instead of names<<, NOT >>--by-id<<, suckers!! |
| 23:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# initctl --version |
| 23:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | initctl (upstart 0.3.8) |
| 23:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Copyright (C) 2007 Canonical Ltd. |
| 23:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | no word about maemo or Nokia |
| 23:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, bbl. cya |
| 23:08.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: you could stop mce once with `stop mce`, then start it with `/usr/sbin/dsmetool -n -1 -t "/sbin/mce --force-syslog"` and stop with `/usr/sbin/dsmetool -k "/sbin/mce --force-syslog" ` |
| 23:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | stuff like >>/usr/bin/tonegend -s cept -b 100 -r 20 -D module-stream-restore.id=x-maemo-key-pressed -I media.role=phone,module-stream-restore.id=sink-input-by-media-role:phone -N media.role=phone,mod<< makes me shudder |
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