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00:09.33antranigvanyone has freepascalcompiler and/or Lazarus IDE installed on their n900? I wonder if you guys can send me the package, so I won't install/compile everything from zero, just the binaries, and the libs, and the tools, etc. (:
00:26.18Wizzupantranigv: nor on my n900, no
00:26.29Wizzupbut I have arm versions of the compiler
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01:20.55antranigvWizzup: can I get it somehow?
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05:42.53Wizzupantranigv: hm, I guess, but I doubt it will work on maemo
05:43.02Wizzupdifferent glibc versions, etc
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10:45.57lolcatHello
10:46.03lolcatwhat is the chanel with phone people?
10:46.56Sicelohuh?
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10:49.39bencohphone people ?
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11:16.37Sicelohe wanted to say bencoh is a phone person, hehe
11:17.01Sicelod
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11:44.22antranigvI see
11:44.42antranigvum, any nice tutorial to compile fpc on scratchbox?
11:48.31bencohread the wiki about porting debian packages
11:48.41bencohgrab lenny's package, and try building it
11:48.55antranigvoh, didn't know there is a wiki page for that...
11:49.20antranigv- I want to... - yes, there is a wiki page for that :P (c) maemo community
11:49.29bencohyou might even try to grab a more recent version, since fpc shouldnt have too many deps
11:49.43antranigvit doesn't have any, usually.
11:50.04bencohthen grab latest from debian
11:50.20bencohbut you'll have to work on the control and rules files
11:50.31antranigvwhat about compiling it from source?
11:50.52bencohthat's possible as well, but ... meh :)
11:51.05bencohbuild a package if you can
11:51.24antranigvand then add it to extras-devel?
11:51.33bencohthat's the idea :-)
11:55.52antranigvI still don't know how to use scratchbox, lol
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11:57.59bencohantranigv: there is a wiki page for that as well :D
11:58.24bencohonce the env is "started" it's just like a regular native system
11:58.32bencoh(well, almost)
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12:28.33antranigvwell, to have fpc on n900, fist I neeed to compile it on my x64, then to compile again on the n900, but the maemo sdk does not have a terminal in it :/
12:29.44bencoh?
12:31.17antranigvstill has much to learn...
12:31.40antranigvlet me read more stuff first :)))
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12:51.11nwolf900hi guys, I'm new to maemo, does anyone know why gTranslate keeps giving 'please enter valid text'? I've been googling it - nothing so far, stops at 'it is fixed' sometime in 2010 and nothing on it eversince... aren't there art least some working alternatives to it? thx in advance
12:52.37bencohapparently it stopped working a few weeks ago
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12:53.27antranigvmaybe the problem is from google?
12:54.47bencohiirc it receives a captcha to solve
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13:05.28nwolf900_confirmed, thx! do you think I should try to contact the author?
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13:11.09bencohhmm you could try that but it looks like there's already an old pending maintainer request, so ...
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15:47.36DocScrutinizer05lolcat: what exactly are those "phone people" you want to meet?
15:48.10DocScrutinizer05or rather, which phone specifically?
15:48.33lolcatDocScrutinizer05: xda people, the smart ones. Huawei Ascend Y-530
15:50.33Sicelolooks like we have the dumb ones here
15:50.36Sicelohaha
15:50.39DocScrutinizer05antranigv: no, you cross-compile on scratchbox (X86) for maemo (ARM)
15:51.01DocScrutinizer05lolcat: /msg alis help
15:51.32bencohlolcat: most of us here are maemo users, so ...
15:51.47lolcatSicelo: Not really, but sadly I dont have a N900 anymore and they dont make them like that anymore
15:52.43DocScrutinizer05no, "they" only offer Neo900 now (for preorder, if you want one around end of year or next year's 1st quarter)
15:52.58lolcatDocScrutinizer05: Neo900? Oo
15:53.05bencohyou can buy a second-hand meanwhile ... there are some to sell around
15:53.06DocScrutinizer05/join #neo900
15:53.41DocScrutinizer05http://neo900.org
15:54.12DocScrutinizer05shouldn't do such shameless advertising
15:54.27kerioit's not like there's much else going on, anyway
15:54.35kerioand it was relevant to the discussion
15:54.39Sicelo~oscp
15:54.39infobotrumour has it, oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
15:55.57DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
15:56.12lolcatDocScrutinizer05: Uhm, the price of that thing is obscene
15:56.35DocScrutinizer05yes, alas not much we can do about that
15:57.01lolcatwhat are the specs?
15:58.15DocScrutinizer05well, TI built the Zoom-II with similar specs and they built it with their own chips and in qty of nE4 and they still were more expensive than we are
15:58.27lolcatDocScrutinizer05: also, what does it mean with debian/GNU Linux, not maemo?
15:58.37DocScrutinizer05http://neo900.org/specs
15:58.56keriololcat: it's a BSP
15:59.08DocScrutinizer05http://neo900.org/faq#os
15:59.08lolcatDocScrutinizer05: but the oneplusone has sapphire and costs far less, the proposed ubuntu phone costed two thirds and had considerably better specs
15:59.12kerioan install of debian with enough drivers to test the hardware, pretty much
15:59.30keriololcat: those won't run maemo fremantle
15:59.33DocScrutinizer05and did ubuntu phone happen?
15:59.41lolcatto test? does it have the Maemo windows and gui? can it do everything that maemo does?
15:59.47lolcatDocScrutinizer05: no, it cost too much
15:59.55bencohDocScrutinizer05: it did ... didnt it?
16:00.09bencoh(unless I missed something)
16:00.22DocScrutinizer05no, they tried to gather a bazillion preorders and STILL they were friggin expensive
16:00.41DocScrutinizer05we're trying to build a 500 devices
16:01.10DocScrutinizer05that's like the difference between a phot wallpaper and a real artist creating a painting on your wall
16:01.12lolcatDocScrutinizer05: but they had sapphire glass. I am willing to pay like €160 euro extra for sapphire glass
16:01.51keriosapphire glass won't work well with a stylus
16:01.53DocScrutinizer05doesn't matter. We can't do that. And we don't even want crappy capacitive glass touchscreen
16:02.06lolcatwhy can't you?
16:02.17keriobecause the screens come from n900s
16:02.23DocScrutinizer05please could somebody take over?
16:02.31DocScrutinizer05kerio: thanks!
16:03.22keriololcat: the NeoN board is just a board
16:03.33keriopretty much everything else will come from a nokia n900
16:03.36lolcatkerio: does it support ant+?
16:03.46keriowtf is ant+
16:04.12DocScrutinizer05bencoh: yes, finally Shuttle-worth-it(?) remembered he has enough in his kitty to do such project without crowdfunding, after that crowdfunding failed, iirc
16:04.35DocScrutinizer05lolcat: yes, ANT and iirc ANT+ are supported
16:04.50keriois that some NFC crap
16:04.53DocScrutinizer05kerio: wireless stuff around BT
16:05.03keriooh, bluetooth
16:05.04DocScrutinizer05or WLAN
16:05.16lolcatDocScrutinizer05: it is neither bluetooth or wlan
16:05.20DocScrutinizer05can't recall right now
16:05.25DocScrutinizer05comes with module
16:05.34lolcatant+ is the garmin sensor wireless tech
16:05.44DocScrutinizer05the what?
16:06.02lolcatit is the wireless tech used by garmin sensors
16:06.17lolcatant+ is owned by garmin
16:06.19DocScrutinizer05I don't even know what's a "garmin sensor"
16:06.55lolcatDocScrutinizer05: pulse belt, garmin tempe (temperature sensor), garmin fotpod (obvious what this is), cadence sensor, power sensor, speed sensor and what not
16:07.04bencoh"proprietary (but open access)" hmm
16:07.17DocScrutinizer05http://www.thisisant.com/developer/ant-plus/ant-ble-comparison
16:07.23lolcatbencoh: garmin uses both private and open access ant+
16:07.33DocScrutinizer05it IS BLE
16:07.55DocScrutinizer05and it's not 2owned by Garmin"
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16:08.18lolcatdoes it support NFC?
16:08.38keriololcat: if only there was a website where all these things you're asking were listed
16:08.49bencohDocScrutinizer05: looks like it's not BLE
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16:09.01DocScrutinizer05not BLE exactly but handled by BT module
16:09.02bencohDocScrutinizer05: oh and ... does it have BLE, btw ?
16:09.22DocScrutinizer05~bd
16:09.22infobotbd is probably Bangladesh
16:09.26DocScrutinizer05dang
16:09.32DocScrutinizer05~#neo900 bd
16:09.32infobotsomebody said #neo900 bd was http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900.html the very fine and detailled Block Diagram, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1445200#post1445200
16:09.35lolcatDocScrutinizer05: So you will not add VAT to send it to Norway?
16:10.09DocScrutinizer05we will add where we have to, which is a detail my tax advisor will have to work out
16:10.42lolcatDocScrutinizer05: So is the 990 euro for just the board or a complete unit?
16:10.43bencohDocScrutinizer05: riiight I can always read th specs ... :]
16:10.43DocScrutinizer05recently european VAT regulations are in the changing
16:11.18DocScrutinizer05lolcat: NeoN bare board. Add a 130 for a complete N900 we source for you and upgrade it
16:12.16lolcatI am pretty sure you get two N900 for 130, do you replace the battery? How is battery life on the NeoN? can I buy jut the materials for €470?
16:12.26DocScrutinizer05bencoh: http://www.jorjin.com.tw/#!wg7351-00/c1dnh
16:13.25DocScrutinizer05lolcat: bencoh: http://media.wix.com/ugd/0482ec_d0c9cc1f767ce75edb5d1d28cfe786af.pdf   2.2.4. ANT Features ................................................................................................... 7
16:13.57DocScrutinizer05"Fully compliant with all ANT Protocols:"
16:14.18bencohnice, thx
16:14.22DocScrutinizer05>>  ANT provides immediate access to the millions of ANT+ sensors already in the market and an ongoing option for cost and power optimized sensors<<
16:14.25lolcatDocScrutinizer05: are you saying I can connect ant+ sensors to my phone or use my ant+ dongle as a bluetooth dongle?
16:16.21lolcatalso, at that price, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a dozen N900s or six  N900s and a oneplusone 2 or six n900s and a light laptop?
16:16.57DocScrutinizer05afk
16:16.59lolcatDocScrutinizer05: why not use high end stuff, like 4gb ram and 64gb storage?
16:17.15DocScrutinizer05~#neo900 bd
16:17.16infobot#neo900 bd is probably http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900.html the very fine and detailled Block Diagram, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1445200#post1445200
16:17.48DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2015/08/23/plasma-desktopso1947.png
16:18.19DocScrutinizer05http://neo900.org/specs
16:19.20keriololcat: omap3 can't do 4gb of ram
16:19.27DocScrutinizer05cost difference between 32GB and 64GB is ~40 bucks which we nevertheless added (and made for the higher price) since we *want* to go for specs as good as feasible
16:19.30kerio64gb of storage... eh, it has 32 already, and there's a µsd slot
16:19.51keriooh, it does have 64? neat
16:20.35bencohand yeah, the real bottleneck here is "omap3"
16:20.51DocScrutinizer05[jolla] >> The tablet comes with two memory options 32GB and 64GB, and the pre-order prices are 267 € and 299 € respectively. <<  So their difference between 32 and 64 GB eMMC is 32€
16:21.17lolcatbencoh: cant we use omap4?
16:21.31DocScrutinizer05omap4 is broken by design
16:21.41kerioomap5!
16:22.05DocScrutinizer05...will be the processor on STEP2, when community learned how to port fremantle
16:22.08lolcatDocScrutinizer05: omap5 then?
16:22.24keriololcat: omap5 won't run fremantle
16:22.35lolcatwhat is fremantle?
16:22.35kerioat least, not immediately
16:22.49keriothe maemo that runs on the n900
16:22.50bencohkerio: actually we dont know about that
16:23.04bencohall we know is "some stuff migt break"
16:23.10DocScrutinizer05yep
16:23.13lolcatkerio: why not call it maemo5?
16:23.29DocScrutinizer05and we also know we wouldn't fit omap5 into N900
16:23.33keriowho the fuck knows what maemo 5 is
16:23.38DocScrutinizer05or it would get even thicker
16:23.51lolcatomap5 is fatter than the n900?
16:23.57bencohkerio: everyone who owns or owned a n900 ? :D
16:24.08keriobencoh: same goes for fremantle, really
16:24.50DocScrutinizer05~fremantle
16:24.54DocScrutinizer05wow
16:25.13DocScrutinizer05~listvalues fremantle
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16:25.50DocScrutinizer05~forget infobot #maemo getversion
16:25.50infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot infobot #maemo getversion
16:26.03DocScrutinizer05~fptf
16:26.03infobotit has been said that fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
16:26.26DocScrutinizer05~getversion
16:26.26infobotsomebody said getversion was input the following in a terminal:   osso-product-info | grep OSSO_VERSION | cut -d "'" -f 2; dpkg-query -W -f='${Version}  ' mp-fremantle-community-pr; uname -r
16:27.02DocScrutinizer05~pr1.3sdk
16:27.02infobotit has been said that pr1.3sdk is http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt
16:28.14DocScrutinizer05~listkeys pr1.
16:32.37DocScrutinizer05lolcat: anyway when you want to discuss Neo900 details, you rather should /join #neo900
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18:58.56Sicelowhat's a good game for N900 which i can try? something with nice 3d graphics :)
18:59.09KotCzarnyummm
18:59.27KotCzarnyn-speed ?
19:00.08Sicelochecks it out
19:02.07KotCzarnynot too good graphics though
19:02.30KotCzarnyhttp://theunlockr.com/2010/03/18/top-20-free-games-on-the-nokia-n900/
19:02.32KotCzarnyhe he
19:02.36KotCzarnyprboom
19:02.37KotCzarny;)
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19:03.34Siceloi am looking at its youtube video .. yes .. the graphics .. eew
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19:05.13Siceloi am not a gamer anyway .. would have been nice to have some really nice games on N900
19:05.33Sicelohas two Nokia N-Gage Classics (one dead though)
19:05.38KotCzarnyif you like puzzles search for gnurobbo
19:06.00KotCzarny(little atari classic)
19:06.17KotCzarnyanother nice one is hex-a-hop
19:06.44KotCzarnyand 'puzzles' for classic board puzzles
19:07.20Siceloi want something that's "live" ... e.g. racing. not into shooters, but would play if the graphics are great
19:07.55KotCzarnyi guess you should look into emulated games
19:08.06KotCzarnythey are commercial quality
19:09.40Siceloyou're right .. i've never used emulators .. although it does seem N900 has some good emulators
19:12.21bencohit does
19:19.40Siceloso maybe i should ask .. what are the nicest/most detailed/coolest racing games which N900 can emulate? :)
19:20.19Sicelowhich are also hopefully not too difficult to get
19:20.34KotCzarnyas usual with emus, you have to pirate it
19:20.44KotCzarnyunless you have original cartridges/discs
19:21.12Siceloflushed his conscience down the drain, haha
19:23.15bencohanyway ... Playstation games are ... 20yo ? :))
19:23.44bencoha bit less for the latest
19:23.52Siceloumm .. 20yo means?
19:23.58bencoh20 years old
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19:25.40KotCzarnybencoh: n900's screen is small
19:25.53bencoh?
19:25.56KotCzarnyand in racing games you dont have time to focus on details
19:26.21KotCzarnyunless you want to look at paused screens and dont care about playability
19:27.15bencohand why are you telling me this all of a sudden? :)
19:28.03KotCzarnythought that argument about games being old was kind of 'old and dusty'
19:28.04KotCzarny:)
19:28.04SiceloKotCzarny: N-Gage had even smaller screen .. it was still nice to play
19:28.29KotCzarnysicelo: i've used n-gage more like a phone/smart-phone than gaming console
19:28.43KotCzarnyit had very nice implementation of tetris tho
19:28.53KotCzarnyand worms
19:29.09Siceloi did both. actually it's the N-Gage which introduced me to smartphones .. i had been using S40 before it
19:29.44KotCzarnyit could have been grand
19:29.52bencohKotCzarny: no, it was about "pirating" 20yo games :-)
19:29.55KotCzarnypity they did few design flops
19:30.00KotCzarnybencoh: ;)
19:30.01Siceloi particularly enjoyed the Asphalt games, as well as Collin McRae
19:30.16KotCzarnymaybe there is s60 emu for n900?
19:31.15Sicelonope
19:31.46KotCzarnyand for plain linux? hint hint
19:32.42Siceloi will check .. doubt though. Symbian was something else
19:33.42bencohlooks like some xda guys want it as well ^ ^
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19:35.22Sicelowant a symbian emu?
19:37.02KotCzarnyhttps://blogs.oracle.com/kharezlak/entry/new_nokia_s60_touch_enabled
19:37.04KotCzarnyhum
19:37.13KotCzarnys60 is java?
19:38.03bencohSicelo: yeah
19:38.15bencohKotCzarny: probably
19:39.30Sicelono
19:39.35Sicelos60 is C++
19:39.57Sicelobiggest problem -- memory management .. that's where the learning curve was
19:40.44Sicelosymbian was a glorified version of the original OS on the Psion devices
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19:44.51KotCzarnyi think s60 emu is blind alley
19:45.07KotCzarnynothing significant on google
19:45.14KotCzarnyoh well, sleepy time
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21:25.07erlehmanni think my usb port on the n900 is having problems
21:26.06DocScrutinizer51fist time we ever heard that ;)
21:26.11DocScrutinizer51SCNR
21:26.48erlehmannokay, so it is that i get something like this
21:26.48erlehmann[85842.908100] usb 1-1: new full-speed USB device number 103 using uhci_hcd
21:26.48erlehmann[85843.320122] usb 1-1: device not accepting address 103, error -71
21:26.48erlehmann[85843.320177] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
21:26.54erlehmannwhen connecting it to the computer
21:27.10Wizzupnot a bad cable?
21:27.19erlehmannwell, it might be a bad cable
21:27.24DocScrutinizer51hmmm thkis could as well be a lousy cable
21:27.36erlehmannthe cable is a roll-up one
21:27.42erlehmannmaybe it has outlived its usefulness
21:27.50Wizzuptry a diff one
21:27.57erlehmanni do not have one, but i will
21:28.20erlehmannthx
21:28.35erlehmannbtw, my brother told me his n900 only loads if it is connected to a computer as a mass storage device. anyone ever heard of that?
21:28.44Wizzupdefine loads
21:28.46Wizzupcharges?
21:28.56erlehmannyes, charges
21:29.17erlehmannsorry, in german „load“ and „charge“ is homophone
21:29.17Wizzupnever had that prob
21:29.22WizzupI realised
21:29.23erlehmann„laden“
21:29.28Wizzupit is the same in dutch
21:29.29Wizzup;)
21:31.29DocScrutinizer51better get loaded than charged
21:31.45DocScrutinizer51;)
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21:32.57DocScrutinizer51N900 only properly charges when detecting D+- short
21:33.15DocScrutinizer51or on PC host
21:34.25DocScrutinizer51before going to extreme (hw) measures, try full
21:34.31DocScrutinizer51~bm
21:34.31infobotfrom memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
21:34.35DocScrutinizer51and
21:34.44DocScrutinizer51~flashing
21:34.44infobotmethinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
21:34.48erlehmannok
21:34.50erlehmannthx
21:36.17DocScrutinizer51yw
21:37.00DocScrutinizer51there is more we can do for forensics, but flashing is the start
21:37.56DocScrutinizer51btw when device flashes, your USB cannot be completely broken
21:38.35DocScrutinizer51first try decent cable. the rollup type is known horste shit
21:38.46erlehmanni forwarded him that
21:38.54erlehmannthanks DocScrutinizer05
21:39.15DocScrutinizer51yw
21:42.05erlehmannbanana piano! http://web.archive.org/web/20140128095907/http://www.mindplus.cc/?page_id=2118
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