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| 04:17.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: why don't you direct newbies to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh |
| 04:19.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<newbieAlert> Sicelo: Ohh yes, 4 terminals, browser and FAM !! ) DUH? ~fapman ? |
| 04:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fapman |
| 04:19.16 | infobot | fapman is, like, Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam |
| 04:20.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fam |
| 04:20.02 | infobot | rumour has it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam |
| 04:21.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | @maintainers (anybody knowing how to package for extras-devel): please could you have a look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1479967 ? |
| 04:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: |
| 04:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq-calibrate |
| 04:23.27 | infobot | hmm... bq-calibrate is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 |
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| 18:42.02 | salamisami | Hi |
| 18:42.13 | salamisami | Anyone here use motorola photon Q? |
| 18:42.35 | salamisami | was looking to get it to replace my n900 |
| 18:48.52 | Sicelo | wrong channel, haha |
| 18:49.27 | Sicelo | why are you replacing N900? can you not buy a replacement at least (assuming your current one is unrepairable)? |
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| 19:05.50 | Sicelo | on an unrelated point |
| 19:05.56 | Sicelo | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=953421&postcount=969 |
| 19:06.27 | Sicelo | how do i use "forcedrotation"? is it per application, or i set a system-wide gconf key perhaps? |
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| 19:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: if it got implemented like specified, it should be both possible |
| 19:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a whitelist obviously. And iirc there also should be a blacklist. Ideally those are integrated into the .desktop files as X-MAEMO-* keys, but I think that idea never got implemented. And then there's the system wide lock switch in systray |
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| 19:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never really checked since I despise portrait and thus have locked my system to portrait (except of dialer) |
| 19:48.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | locked my system to landscape, sorry |
| 19:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | for this there's a gconf-key |
| 19:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#no_autorotating |
| 19:50.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never bothered about the white(/black)list |
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| 19:59.04 | Sicelo | thanks DocScrutinizer05. :) |
| 19:59.38 | Sicelo | just want to test it and see .. i don't know where exactly i could put that forcedrotation in gconf |
| 20:14.17 | Sicelo | aha ... goes into transitions.ini |
| 20:16.08 | Sicelo | i read many times people say N900 was incomplete ... looking at transitions for example makes you wonder ... i don't remember a phone with such nice transitions. or does one exist? |
| 20:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not |
| 20:22.21 | Sicelo | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop#Blacklist.2FWhitelist DocScrutinizer05 <<< seems it was done |
| 20:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, nice. at least partially they implemented what I specified |
| 20:34.52 | Sicelo | the yellow/amber notificaton blurb .. in the Hildon Style Guide shows blue blurb .. anyone knows how to do this? |
| 20:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | theme? |
| 20:39.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think theme-ing is one of the most cumbersome topics with maemo |
| 20:40.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | would love to actually increase font PT for some of the more tiny fonts meanwhile |
| 20:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | like the smaller font in call history |
| 20:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is sort of an insult |
| 20:41.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | or should I say assault |
| 20:42.25 | Sicelo | you mean the font that shows time & date? |
| 20:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that nasty one |
| 20:43.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know, I meanwhile need glasses to look to stuff closer than an arm's length |
| 20:43.43 | Sicelo | :) |
| 20:44.02 | Sicelo | for me the size is good .. but yes, it would be nice to have it adjustable |
| 20:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and at times it gets gard to read that small font in that distance |
| 20:44.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hard* |
| 20:45.49 | Sicelo | i wonder if that's controlled by some css perhaps? like on the Conversations application ... some have tweaked the CSS there to change the locations of the timestamps and other information on the conversations view |
| 20:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, most likely this should work |
| 20:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you find something, please let me know |
| 20:48.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it's *really* annoying |
| 20:53.54 | Sicelo | regarding forced rotation .. i have recently found myself having to use Pidgin a lot, and wouldn't mind using it in portrait |
| 20:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, pidgin is one of the apps genuinely designed for portrait. Which is prolly the main reason I always disliked it |
| 21:03.04 | Sicelo | landscape you mean? :) |
| 21:13.25 | Sicelo | anyway, with forced rotation looks like pidgin is pretty usable .. if only the portrait keyboard was very useable too :) |
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| 21:16.20 | stryngs | To those who might have been offended by the unmasking a couple days ago; sorry about that. Things spun out of control somewhat. Won't do it on the freenode again. |
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| 22:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, portrait I meant, for pidgin |
| 22:17.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | stryngs: huh? |
| 22:17.59 | Pali | hi, do you have any experiences with assigning CVE numbers? |
| 22:19.43 | Pali | per http://www.debian.org/security/faq#discover and http://www.debian.org/security/faq#cveget debian security team can verify and coordinate security problems across distributions |
| 22:21.12 | stryngs | Heh |
| 22:21.16 | stryngs | Funny u mention that pali |
| 22:21.25 | stryngs | I'm going to be publicly disclosing something CVE worthy here soon |
| 22:22.36 | Pali | I sent email to debian security team, so will see what happens... |
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| 22:23.00 | stryngs | For what Pali? |
| 22:24.11 | bencoh | Pali: maybe sunweaver is |
| 22:24.32 | bencoh | (or rather has* experience) |
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| 22:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: (blacklist) it's still a pity that those lists are actually single line keys in transitions.ini - this makes it almost impossible to handle stuff correctly and conveniently from apt/dpkg. It should be a single file (with the pathname of that file in maybe transitions.ini key blacklistfile=<full path name> and whitelistfile=<full path name>), and in that files there should be single line keys of (at least) two types: app=<appname>; |
| 22:59.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | (windowtitle-or-whatever=<whatever>;) and(!) includefile=<full pathname to a file to include, or even shell pattern wildcards> |
| 23:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | this way you could specify in transitions: blacklistfile=/etc/rotation-blacklist-root.cfg |
| 23:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and in /etc/rotation-blacklist-root.cfg you specify includefile=/etc/rotation.d/*.cfg |
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| 23:03.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and in /etc/rotation.d/ every app installs its own <appname>.cfg with content app=<appname> |
| 23:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a very simple config 'wizard' could rename foobar.cfg to foobar.cfg.disabled and vice versa, or even move the file from blacklist to whitelist, easily create new *.cfg files for arbitrary apps etc |
| 23:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and probably the keys, instead of app=<appname> should look like X-MAEMO-ROTATION=<allow|by-app|portrait|landscape>, and any other stuff being ignored. This way you could define includefile=/usr/share/apps/hildon/*.desktop. Of course multiple includefile keys should be allowed |
| 23:16.34 | bencoh | well ... from I gathered, the force-rotation "feature" was only meant as a workaround and applications were to be fixed |
| 23:16.53 | bencoh | (for those that could be fixed) |
| 23:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | some can't get fixed |
| 23:17.00 | bencoh | yeah |
| 23:17.32 | bencoh | but those are mostly closed source, meaning either stock/nokia, or ovi |
| 23:17.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | or third party |
| 23:17.53 | bencoh | yeah ovi/3rd-party |
| 23:18.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, doesn't make much of a difference |
| 23:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the fixed apps you use X-MAEMO-ROTATION=by-app, which is also the default when no config for that app is existing in black/white-listing |
| 23:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | the rest ships a .desktop file with either of X-MAEMO-ROTATION=<allow|portrait|landscape> in it. Or a similar file for /etc/rotation.d/* |
| 23:24.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | the implementation is prolly rather simple - just a few dozen lines of code |
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| 23:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | blacklistfile= and whitelistfile= are basically redundant then, could get unified to listfile=, and they are only valid during (and the only valid keys in} initial parsing of transitions.ini. They (it) could point to whatever file you like, even transitions.ini itself which causes a second parsing pass of transitions.ini in which those listfile= key gets ignored and only the includefile= and X-MAEMO-ROTATION= keys are searched for. |
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| 23:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | each includefile= simply calls same parsing function recursively with the new file parameter |
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