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| 06:09.39 | stryngs | http://ethicalreporting.org/foo400.png |
| 06:10.14 | stryngs | http://ethicalreporting.org/unmask.html |
| 06:36.06 | Sicelo | ? |
| 06:38.17 | stryngs | Check out unmask Sicelo |
| 06:38.23 | stryngs | Then check out the png in a txt editor |
| 06:38.25 | stryngs | follow the crumbs |
| 06:38.28 | stryngs | It's "interesting" |
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| 08:13.21 | sproodlydoo | to whoever flashed my n900 on the last day of chaos communication camp: it works! \o/ |
| 08:14.38 | sproodlydoo | maybe the problem was the temperature |
| 08:14.57 | kerio | \o/ |
| 08:26.06 | bencoh | :) |
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| 10:26.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~gsm-agps |
| 10:26.17 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP |
| 10:26.36 | Sicelo | ~rrlp |
| 10:26.37 | infobot | rrlp is probably the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP |
| 10:27.16 | Sicelo | ~sicelo |
| 10:27.21 | Sicelo | kicks infobot |
| 10:27.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~listkeys sicelo |
| 10:28.07 | Sicelo | ~n900 |
| 10:28.07 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside and a beer |
| 10:28.11 | Sicelo | hahaha |
| 10:28.18 | Sicelo | ~n9 |
| 10:28.26 | Sicelo | unknown entity |
| 10:28.29 | Sicelo | ~maemo |
| 10:28.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~infobot sicelo |
| 10:29.41 | Sicelo | how are you DocScrutinizer51? |
| 10:30.10 | Sicelo | thanks for those videos you posted :) wish i'd been there |
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| 10:40.00 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 10:40.27 | APic | Heya * |
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| 10:45.07 | zGrr | :) |
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| 10:58.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | grr connectivity drop without a warning sucks |
| 10:58.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: finished camp-aftermath and now I'll get me 3 days of sleep |
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| 14:03.36 | newbieAlert | Hey hi, what is volatge when n900 should show "Battery Low" ??? |
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| 14:48.40 | Sicelo | seems to depend on your battery's capacity. |
| 14:48.58 | Sicelo | which is also 'dependent' on calibration |
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| 14:49.34 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: 3600mV is being shown on bq27200.sh script !! |
| 14:49.47 | Sicelo | check CI flag.. |
| 14:49.48 | newbieAlert | and in Batterygraph too. |
| 14:49.58 | Sicelo | what is it? |
| 14:50.12 | newbieAlert | CI flag where ?? |
| 14:50.27 | Sicelo | bq27200 output |
| 14:50.53 | newbieAlert | 1 |
| 14:51.16 | newbieAlert | i have 3 batteries in parallel connected !! |
| 14:51.30 | Sicelo | see .. your capacity readout is not accurate |
| 14:52.05 | Sicelo | paste the complete bq27200 output on a pastebin for us |
| 14:52.21 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: ^^. For EDV1, it should go below 3300 mV |
| 14:52.52 | Sicelo | of course it should .. but if N900 doesn't "know" the capacity of that battery? |
| 14:52.54 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Umm, its charging right now. Will paste it in 20 min after discharging it. |
| 14:52.59 | Sicelo | ok |
| 14:53.49 | Sicelo | anyway, i had battery notification when battery was full many times ... i had not calibrated for over a year, and CI=1 |
| 14:54.22 | Sicelo | my USb was broken .. now fixed, and since then, no more annoying battery low notifications |
| 14:55.37 | Sicelo | what is your "Last Measured dDischarge" value? |
| 14:55.42 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: But, that should be about given capacity of battery. What about the reported Voltage ?? It should not shut down at 3.6V :/ |
| 14:56.25 | newbieAlert | 1949 mah and then the phone went down, corrupting my SD card. |
| 14:56.27 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: |
| 14:56.55 | newbieAlert | So, i tend to charge it whenever it shows battery low for more than 4 times. |
| 14:57.01 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: ^^ |
| 14:57.04 | Sicelo | if your capacity is low .. then battery voltage can drop very fast, enough to shut down |
| 14:57.16 | Sicelo | that's when you junk the battery ;) |
| 14:57.39 | Sicelo | so voltage alone isn't really the most important characteristic |
| 14:57.58 | Sicelo | anyway, imm no engineer, and N900 is kinda complicated sometimes, haha |
| 14:58.29 | Sicelo | speak to Pali, DocScrutinizer51 or some of the other more knowledgeable guys |
| 14:58.33 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: 3 batteries?? I get a good working time of one whole day of heavy working and 2 days of moderate working . |
| 14:59.01 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: just the figures dont match :/ |
| 14:59.17 | Sicelo | actually changing batteries is just what will cause your N900 to not "know" waht's going on :) |
| 14:59.38 | Sicelo | new batteries? genuine? |
| 14:59.55 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Yepgenuine Nokia batteries . BL-5J |
| 15:00.09 | Sicelo | how old? |
| 15:00.29 | Sicelo | using stock bme or replacement? |
| 15:00.48 | newbieAlert | stock bme. |
| 15:00.53 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: used for about 7 months at max. |
| 15:01.15 | Sicelo | shutting down at 3.6V suggests your batteries have high internal resistance => time to bin them i think |
| 15:01.50 | Sicelo | you use them in parallel? i don't know much about matching when you use them that way ... |
| 15:02.06 | Sicelo | tmo is your best bet .. look for the scud threads i think |
| 15:02.17 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: They work like Dual Battery Mod, except that they are 3. |
| 15:02.40 | Sicelo | has never followed those kinds of setup |
| 15:03.09 | Sicelo | N900 is already big enough by itself, haha .. have no space in my pocket for a double-burger N900 |
| 15:03.13 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: What happened to pastebin app ?? :/ Cant find it. |
| 15:03.43 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: :P :D :D yep and looks awful with lots of cellotape :P |
| 15:03.44 | Sicelo | it's still there... there was even an update recently. tbh, i do it manually now |
| 15:03.59 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Name of the app please. |
| 15:04.26 | Sicelo | pastebinit |
| 15:06.12 | Sicelo | omg .. latest one needs python3 .. i wasn't aware we had that. nice |
| 15:08.56 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Cant find it . Trying manually. |
| 15:09.24 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: http://pastebin.com/LHYEjD5G |
| 15:09.39 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.40 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.58 | Sicelo | check your repo lists |
| 15:11.03 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Done manually . ^^ |
| 15:11.19 | Sicelo | pretty high power usage there .. 309mA .. enough to upset your voltage and cause a "big" dip .. and stock bme is most unforgiving |
| 15:12.47 | Sicelo | wonder why your uSD got corrupted though ... bme shouldn't let that happen, and with stock bme shutting down a little too early.. |
| 15:13.02 | Sicelo | then again, everything can have hiccups anywhere ;) |
| 15:14.57 | Sicelo | maybe one of your 3 batteries is bad, and is the weak link in your setup? dunno really .. have never played with multiple batteries to know how they affect each other when combined |
| 15:15.52 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: I have no clue, It was the first time i tried to calibrate and i let it shut down with script looping every 5 second. thats when it read 1949mah and limit increased to 3600mV i think. |
| 15:16.38 | Sicelo | huh? limit to 3600mV .. i don't get that part |
| 15:16.48 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Ohh yes, 4 terminals, browser and FAM !! |
| 15:17.18 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: 3.6V to death !! It should survive till 3.3V. |
| 15:17.27 | newbieAlert | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 |
| 15:17.29 | Sicelo | bw, 1900mAh on 3 batteries .. alread sounds like you've got a bad battery somewhere .. remember a new BL-5J is 1430mAH the new ones |
| 15:17.58 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: No, Calibration will be done in two steps as written in post. |
| 15:18.05 | Sicelo | yeah, i know death should come at 3000mV actually, and at 3248mV that's when calibration is considered complete |
| 15:18.15 | Sicelo | ah, yes, you're going up by the way, haha |
| 15:18.19 | bencoh | Sicelo: where do these "new" come from ? |
| 15:18.24 | Sicelo | thinking you're going down |
| 15:18.47 | Sicelo | new batteries? newer Nokias .. lumias using bl5j |
| 15:18.59 | Sicelo | older bl5j are 1320mAh |
| 15:19.05 | newbieAlert | bencoh: Shop. 1430mah. |
| 15:19.30 | bencoh | genuine 1430mAh bl-5j ? fun |
| 15:19.34 | Sicelo | yup |
| 15:19.43 | Sicelo | revision ;) |
| 15:20.24 | newbieAlert | bencoh: ?? |
| 15:20.34 | bencoh | newbieAlert: ? |
| 15:20.48 | newbieAlert | is it not 1430? |
| 15:20.59 | Sicelo | anyway newbieAlert ... all i said is mostly guesses .. bme will not shut down phone unless it thinks you're that low .. so we can assume somehow you did get that low after all |
| 15:21.07 | Sicelo | just a quick one ..l |
| 15:21.20 | Sicelo | did you have to set the time on switching N900 on again? |
| 15:22.15 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: after i keep battery out for a long time |
| 15:22.32 | Sicelo | i mean .. when it shut down at 3.6V |
| 15:23.43 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: I didnot let it !! It was showinng battery low continuosly and RSOC 0%. |
| 15:23.56 | newbieAlert | thats when i plugged in the charger |
| 15:25.02 | Sicelo | ok. i thought you were saying it shutdown :) |
| 15:26.14 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: last time it did , took my uSD :P so, i didnot let it to. |
| 15:28.18 | Sicelo | still shouldn't shut it down unless your really d get very close to 3.2V |
| 15:28.27 | Sicelo | anyway, going afk for a bit |
| 15:28.54 | newbieAlert | I will be back in sometime after discharging this to 3.6V level. Will pastebin the very first time it shows "BAttery Low"/ |
| 15:30.14 | Sicelo | tbh this does imply "battery low" warning is based on RSOC, so it would make sense for you to get it very early |
| 15:30.28 | Sicelo | doesn't explain how you get an early shutdown though ... |
| 15:30.59 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: My RSOc goes 0% very early, when my original battery indicator shows about 6%. |
| 15:31.13 | Sicelo | when my battery wasn't calibrated, i'd get very early and numerous "battery low" notifications, but battery still lasted a full day |
| 15:31.28 | Sicelo | it's expected .. your calibration is off anyway |
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| 15:32.17 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Wokay.. So i will let it shutdown again this time. :) :) Hope it doesnot corrupt my uSD. |
| 15:32.44 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Thanks :) :) |
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| 15:50.56 | Luke-Jr | Pali: sent those pull reqs |
| 15:51.13 | Pali | Luke-Jr: yes, I got emails |
| 15:51.30 | Pali | please wait as now I have couple of things to do... |
| 15:53.04 | Luke-Jr | np |
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| 18:07.37 | newbieAlert | okay here is one more pastebin , when its showing battery low : pastebin.com/5q5cZD19 |
| 18:08.13 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: ^^ if you are there. |
| 18:08.56 | newbieAlert | www.pastebin.com/5q5cZD19 |
| 18:13.19 | Sicelo | i see it .. dunno .. but still makes sense to me that you should get batterly low warning ... the meter says you have 0mAh now. on the other hand, as you do have 3.62V, it shouldn't shutdown. still wonder why you're using so much power though ... 289mA is rather on the high side :) |
| 18:14.27 | Sicelo | anyway, you may get better performance with calibrating this faster ... shutdown bme and monitor the battery voltage, and charge as soon as EDVF=1 |
| 18:15.52 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: power usage right now is 54 to 155 .. |
| 18:16.25 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: shutting down BME will make it reboot in 32seconds. So should i just continue without shutting BME ?? |
| 18:21.54 | Sicelo | why will it reboot? |
| 18:24.35 | newbieAlert | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 .... Its written there. |
| 18:31.46 | Sicelo | are you hotswapping your batteries? :/ |
| 18:34.21 | Sicelo | that post is about hotswapping battery ... the OP was saying you only have 32 seconds in which you can keep N900 switched on without a battery in the device. it has no relation to your problem |
| 18:35.34 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: I think, it said BME can keep off only for 32 seconds. |
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| 18:35.50 | Sicelo | nop :) |
| 18:38.04 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Btw, this bq27200.sh script does switch off BME before getting the values and then switches it on. |
| 18:38.47 | Sicelo | i don't know which bq27200.sh you have then .. the original one does not do anything to bme |
| 18:40.33 | Sicelo | just look in the script ... you're sure it stops BME? |
| 18:42.11 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Looked into It. Its commented :/ |
| 18:42.50 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Till now, device is still on , and continuous battery low warnings. |
| 18:48.02 | Sicelo | anyway, it won't calibrate now :) |
| 18:48.15 | Sicelo | you may as well charge ... |
| 18:49.59 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Thanks :) :) 2 days to kill a completely charged battery. |
| 18:50.41 | Sicelo | VDQ=0 .. it will only be 1 when the battery is charged to full, and will remain 1 *provided* you do not connect a charger again (even charging while using N900 in mass storage mode). When VDQ=1, and EVDF becomes 1 (for 10 to 15 seconds .. not too sure which), only then does the chip consider it a proper discharge cycle, and "calibration" is complete |
| 18:52.38 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Yeah!! I know that except VDQ goes 1 without completely charging thebattery. |
| 18:54.06 | Sicelo | yes. that does happen sometimes, haha |
| 18:54.27 | kerio | newbieAlert: |
| 18:54.29 | kerio | whoops |
| 18:54.41 | kerio | newbieAlert: only do your calibration starting from a fully charged battery that just finished charging |
| 18:54.56 | kerio | and let it discharge at a constant rate and at constant temperature until the calibration is complete |
| 18:57.11 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: Thanks for help :) :) :) you have been great :) |
| 18:57.51 | newbieAlert | kerio: Thanks. But constant rate and temp ?? Just keep it onstandby ?? |
| 18:58.17 | kerio | i like offline mode and screen turned on at full brightness |
| 18:58.25 | kerio | gives a 180-ish mA load |
| 18:58.45 | kerio | note that, in theory, you'll get a reading that's smaller than it should be |
| 18:59.04 | kerio | but underestimating your battery is not that big of a deal at all, really |
| 18:59.48 | newbieAlert | kerio: It has alreasdy been calibrated once, till 2000 mah. Now it needs to go from 2000 to 4000 mah. |
| 19:00.29 | kerio | ayy lmao |
| 19:04.01 | Sicelo | both my batterys are now only 1000mAh ... 5 years use, daily charging |
| 19:04.34 | Sicelo | my spelling is bad today |
| 19:05.45 | newbieAlert | Sicelo: haha! |
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