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| 03:41.16 | panjgoori | hello all |
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| 03:42.03 | panjgoori | still active |
| 03:42.11 | panjgoori | hello stryngs |
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| 08:26.33 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 11:39.15 | rbjr | hello.... |
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| 12:42.21 | HtheB | Guys, We have a patient here who needs to get revived! :P |
| 12:42.36 | HtheB | somehow, I can't flash it anymore |
| 12:42.50 | HtheB | it stays on Nokia N900 (Nokia Suite) :( |
| 12:45.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 12:45.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia suite sounds like windows PC |
| 12:46.13 | HtheB | ok, somehow, I managed to get the phone into "update mode" |
| 12:46.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever that means |
| 12:46.46 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer05: when you hold the U button while booting the phone, it will go into update mode |
| 12:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless battery too low |
| 12:47.05 | HtheB | it's like 30-40% |
| 12:47.09 | HtheB | shouldn't be too low |
| 12:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOLO will decide on that ;-) |
| 12:47.43 | HtheB | the problem is |
| 12:47.51 | HtheB | (at least thats what I figured it out right now) |
| 12:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | when voltage is too low, NOLO will try to charge battery and for that directly boots to linux |
| 12:48.01 | HtheB | it stays on Update mode, untill i start the flashing |
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| 12:48.22 | HtheB | when I try to start flashing, it will kick me out of the update mode |
| 12:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you try to flash VANILLA then that's the expected behavior |
| 12:48.58 | HtheB | aha |
| 12:49.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | VANILLA is handled by a update daemon in linux |
| 12:49.10 | HtheB | got it |
| 12:49.24 | HtheB | thanks |
| 12:49.25 | HtheB | works |
| 12:49.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 12:49.41 | HtheB | i got fooled by the "flash vanilla first" :P |
| 12:50.01 | HtheB | Patient saved! \o/ |
| 12:50.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually it can't reach NOLO for COMBINED flashing after VANILLA flashing. So you need to reboot after VANILLA to enter "update mode" again, for COMBINED |
| 12:50.57 | HtheB | yeah |
| 12:52.28 | HtheB | CMT flashing failed < why does this happen? |
| 12:52.38 | HtheB | Not that it's a big deal, since its working though |
| 12:52.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's nasty |
| 12:53.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | CMT flashing failing often is a sign of CMT already going south |
| 12:53.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | but sometimes it might be caused by very simple reason: low battery voltage |
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| 14:16.20 | xes | HtheB: i have experience of that CMT flashing failed error... Try with another (maybe older) pc with standard usb 2.0 port and a 32 bit os |
| 14:22.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah yes, that may help too |
| 14:23.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | for very weird reasons it seems the cmt data is particularly prone to data corruption |
| 14:23.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi xes! :) how's life? |
| 14:24.07 | xes | i think flasher has some problem with recent hardware and usb 3.0 ports (and/or 64 bit linux) |
| 14:25.43 | xes | hi DocScrutinizer05! life? ..hard, too firewalls, too patches, too many bad guys with a lot of free time... :) |
| 14:26.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 14:26.34 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: and you? Everything well at cccamp ? |
| 14:27.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm still in desaster management mode and recovering |
| 14:27.49 | xes | recovering what? health, hardware or wet shoes? :) |
| 14:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | cccamp was a great success I think. Still waiting for our own video footage of the real talks. The lightning talks are already online, our private truncated versions at http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ |
| 14:29.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | recovering health, it was pretty exhausting for me to organize all that, and there's still stuff pending to get organized (return rented stuff) |
| 14:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardware survived surprisingly well |
| 14:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | wet shoes, ohmy. I guess the washing machine will be able to tell we were at dusty cccamp |
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| 14:30.57 | xes | :) |
| 14:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm still coughing little bricks |
| 14:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | no surprise when staying 10 days on a brick factory |
| 14:31.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 14:33.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it been sort of old wild west movies. You don't see the trail/army/whatever, you only see the *dust* they create which forms 100m high endless clouds |
| 14:34.01 | xes | videos seem interesting.. have you also some interesting photo camp life/events? |
| 14:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | few |
| 14:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | very few |
| 14:34.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've actually been too busy to take snapshots |
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| 14:36.26 | xes | hey ..and the rad1o sdr toy? :) |
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| 14:39.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | pre-start 20% of luggage: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20150805_002.jpg. Camper on day-minus3 with no crown on place http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20150810_001.jpg + 002 / Village: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20150810_004.jpg to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20150811_003.jpg |
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| 14:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the rad1o toy looks nice. I had not a minute time to play with it yet, though |
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| 15:47.15 | sixwheeledbeast | has replaced his seized CPU fan for a 120mm push/pull setup and is now running at a cool 13C :) |
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| 16:03.52 | bencoh | 13C ? |
| 16:03.54 | bencoh | wow |
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| 16:10.22 | sixwheeledbeast | bencoh: I was surprised too. It is a huge heatsink tho, with two 120mm fans either side. |
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| 16:14.23 | sixwheeledbeast | That is idle, I have yet to see the temp go above 30 even under load. Room temp is currently 23. I think I should live in my case on hot days :) |
| 16:14.38 | HtheB | xes: i see |
| 16:14.48 | HtheB | What exactly is CMT anyway? |
| 16:14.54 | HtheB | since I can boot up the phone... |
| 16:14.59 | HtheB | even if it fails to |
| 16:15.03 | Win7Mac | sixwheeledbeast, your room-Temp 30°C? - The sensor readout must be wrong... a fan physically cannot cool down below room-temp... |
| 16:15.40 | Win7Mac | oh, 23°C, but still... |
| 16:16.13 | sixwheeledbeast | room temp is 23C, MB temp is 34C, CPU temp is 13-16C idle. |
| 16:16.44 | Win7Mac | impossible... |
| 16:17.31 | Win7Mac | the fan blows 23°C air to the cooler... |
| 16:17.52 | bencoh | actually it is possible |
| 16:17.55 | sixwheeledbeast | I have no reason to question it. |
| 16:18.21 | bencoh | the air cools down when it's accelerated |
| 16:18.42 | sixwheeledbeast | I was showing 61-70C when I diagnosed my CPU fan had seized. |
| 16:19.25 | bencoh | Win7Mac: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli's_principle |
| 16:21.34 | Win7Mac | sixwheeledbeast, check another tool to read out temps |
| 16:21.46 | sixwheeledbeast | Also I think this is the benefit of the push/pull creating negative pressure in the heatsink. Before with only push I used to get about 23-26 idle, but I have also increased the amount and quality of the case fans too. |
| 16:22.23 | sixwheeledbeast | I will check with BIOS in a few minutes I have to shutdown to reinstall a RAM chip. |
| 16:24.42 | Win7Mac | bencoh, you'd need turbines for that I guess... |
| 16:25.04 | Win7Mac | compressed air... |
| 16:44.19 | ecc3g | peltier? phase change? |
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| 16:47.05 | Win7Mac | Thermotunneling? ;) |
| 16:48.28 | ecc3g | laser refrigeration? |
| 16:50.47 | HtheB | does anyone know how to turn off the phone functionality when booting up the phone? |
| 16:51.05 | HtheB | it takes like a minute untill the n900 is booted up :( (phone function doesn't work anymore) |
| 16:52.29 | sixwheeledbeast | ok so BIOS temps are similar values to sensors applet |
| 16:53.54 | sixwheeledbeast | I have tweaked it to "Auto Mode" now, was set to "Full On" |
| 17:01.15 | sixwheeledbeast | HtheB: Never tried would look into upstart or rcs-late? There was also something in devel that would run scripts at startup. |
| 17:05.55 | Sicelo | does FCamera take 640x480 snaps? any way to get better resolution? |
| 17:10.05 | bencoh | Win7Mac: for bernoulli's effect to occure ? no |
| 17:10.11 | bencoh | it's just on a different scale |
| 17:10.41 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: what do you mean by "snaps" ? the low-res version encoded in the DNG file ? |
| 17:10.48 | bencoh | or the preview image in viewfinder ? |
| 17:11.20 | Sicelo | i mean the DNG that gets saved. is this by design? |
| 17:11.45 | bencoh | DNG contains a low-res "preview" and a full-res raw image |
| 17:12.03 | bencoh | the preview is, well ... just a preview :) |
| 17:12.21 | Sicelo | i'm opening it in Gimp .. how do i see the full-res? the DNG file is 11MB in size |
| 17:13.06 | bencoh | use dcraw, ufraw, or any other RAW/DNG viewer/"converter" |
| 17:13.26 | bencoh | there is a gimp/ufraw plugin so you can export ufraw result to gimp |
| 17:13.43 | Sicelo | ah, thanks. i saw mention of dcraw on tmo. whew! i was shocked tbh |
| 17:13.47 | bencoh | oh and ... welcome to the RAW editing world :-) |
| 17:16.25 | Sicelo | N900 to thank for that, haha. BlessN900 can coexist with FCam? i have FCam on my 2nd N900, and BlessN900 on the main one |
| 17:16.53 | bencoh | havent tried |
| 17:17.29 | bencoh | depends on whether bless900 tries to install its own drivers as well |
| 17:17.48 | Wizzup | I think blessn900 can just use fcam drivers |
| 17:19.03 | Sicelo | ok. will test on the 2nd one before i do same on main one |
| 17:24.14 | Sicelo | thanks bencoh .. looks good with ufraw. now someone needs to port one of these RAW tools to the N900 .. or they need obscure libs? |
| 17:29.03 | sixwheeledbeast | I can also say that the air leaving the rear of the case is cooler than room temp. |
| 17:32.50 | Win7Mac | using a thermometer or your hand? |
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| 18:27.42 | Win7Mac | CPU Sensors don't show absolute temps but the difference to a critical max. where a throttle kicks in: Junction Temperature Max (TjMax). |
| 18:28.12 | Win7Mac | It *must* be a readout error since it's impossible that the cooling object (heatsink) gets colder than the cooling medium (air) with just fans. peltier or compressor is a different story |
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| 18:44.27 | Win7Mac | sixwheeledbeast, which CPU? |
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| 21:17.11 | bencoh | Sicelo: ufraw/dcraw could be ported to maemo |
| 21:17.24 | bencoh | their are a few deps, but they're not too ugly |
| 21:17.28 | bencoh | afaict |
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| 21:37.05 | Pali | Luke-Jr: hi, do you have some patches for kmail/kontact ready? |
| 21:41.38 | Pali | now I fixed another bug: calling: kmail 'mailto:?To=test+a@test.aa' wanted to send mail to address "test a@test.aa" basically all '+' were replaced by ' ' space |
| 21:42.40 | Pali | (I know '+' should be properly percent escaped and that mailto uri is not valid per rfc, but it is better to not do such replace for "invalid" uris) |
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