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| 13:02.22 | Vajb | possibly cheap n900 for sale in uk. Ebay, current bid 16£. Description says it asks for lock code which user doesn't have. Hmm might be stolen aswell... |
| 13:02.33 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 13:02.38 | KotCzarny | papers/box? |
| 13:02.47 | Vajb | just phone |
| 13:02.51 | KotCzarny | stolen. |
| 13:03.30 | Vajb | probably, so if anyone lost their phone there. It's free hint |
| 13:03.51 | KotCzarny | luckily n900 doesnt pose much value to thiefs |
| 13:04.27 | Vajb | yeah. Just spotted one for sale here also. Asking price is 45⬠|
| 13:04.36 | KotCzarny | a tad high |
| 13:05.18 | Vajb | if it's for sale when i get back from vacation i'll offer half ;) |
| 13:05.25 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 13:07.56 | KotCzarny | hmm, local auction site sells n900 for ~100 eur |
| 13:08.04 | KotCzarny | they claim it's 'new' though |
| 13:08.40 | kerio | boxed cellophaned for 100⬠is not bad i think |
| 13:10.07 | KotCzarny | cheapest n900 on ebay is ~100usd |
| 13:10.30 | KotCzarny | price went up since i've last checked few months ago, weird |
| 13:10.47 | Wizzup | can still find them for 40eur here in netherlands |
| 13:10.58 | KotCzarny | new or used? |
| 13:11.20 | Wizzup | used |
| 13:11.23 | Wizzup | usually not used that much, though |
| 13:11.28 | KotCzarny | hehe, n93i for 200usd 'vintage, collectible' |
| 13:12.15 | KotCzarny | n-gage for ~70usd |
| 13:13.59 | KotCzarny | hmm, local ads site sells one for ~50eur |
| 13:14.06 | KotCzarny | maybe i should grab it |
| 13:16.14 | Vajb | i think i buy all i can find, if price is reasonable to condition |
| 13:16.30 | KotCzarny | i need one for hacking my own os |
| 13:16.42 | KotCzarny | but my n900 is my main phone |
| 13:19.07 | Vajb | same here. I have one spare, but haven't got enough time to tinger with it |
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| 13:42.41 | stryngs | 09:16 < KotCzarny> but my n900 is my main phone |
| 13:42.44 | stryngs | Thats insane KotCzarny |
| 13:42.49 | stryngs | I find the n900 to suck as a phone. |
| 13:42.55 | stryngs | I like it more as a pocket pc |
| 13:43.34 | Vajb | imo n900 is best phone i've used |
| 13:43.41 | stryngs | But it sucks? |
| 13:43.47 | stryngs | Its browsing capabilities are horrid |
| 13:43.49 | stryngs | It's slow |
| 13:43.50 | stryngs | no lte |
| 13:43.51 | stryngs | etc.. |
| 13:43.51 | Vajb | also liked e90 but it is way dated now |
| 13:43.59 | stryngs | again, it |
| 13:44.04 | stryngs | is just my opinion and all |
| 13:44.07 | stryngs | I much prefer a nexus5 and such |
| 13:44.12 | Vajb | what has phone and browsing to do togther? |
| 13:44.15 | stryngs | I DO LOOK FORWARD TO neo900 though |
| 13:44.39 | stryngs | Vajb: Well, if u look at the market and what's available, other phones just kick the n900 squarely in the chops |
| 13:44.48 | stryngs | But.... as far as a computer goes? |
| 13:44.54 | stryngs | n900 whips a pi any day |
| 13:45.18 | stryngs | I just could never see myself using the n900 ina serious way |
| 13:45.19 | Vajb | i rarely browse web, but when i do im satisfied with what i have |
| 13:45.24 | stryngs | hell, even the gps sucks |
| 13:45.35 | Vajb | guess it's about not tried anything better |
| 13:45.36 | stryngs | Vajb: Heh.. You used a "modern" smartphone? |
| 13:45.50 | stryngs | Vajb: Even an iphone 3g has a better browser than the n900 |
| 13:46.06 | Vajb | my gf's xcover 2 |
| 13:46.21 | Vajb | and it sucks with it's 1gb always full memory |
| 13:46.46 | stryngs | I dunno. Don't get me wrong; I'm not hating on the n900, I'll defend it till the day I die; but, as a smartphone, considering what is available pricewise in 2015, the n900 is just ancient and sucks. |
| 13:46.54 | Vajb | also i find galaxy tab 2 lagging with browsers i've tried |
| 13:46.59 | stryngs | However, as a pocket pc? The n900 rocks. |
| 13:47.01 | Vajb | chrome and dolphin |
| 13:47.07 | stryngs | Try a Nexus 5 Vajb |
| 13:47.12 | stryngs | Best phone I ever had. |
| 13:47.33 | Vajb | i guess it lags the main feature |
| 13:47.38 | Vajb | hwkbd |
| 13:47.51 | stryngs | Oh well, just wanted to pipe in my two cents. Viva la n900! |
| 13:48.20 | Vajb | that's the thing what tempted me to n900 at first place when i tried to find successor for e90 |
| 13:49.42 | kerio | there's no good keyboardful android phone right now, is there |
| 13:50.03 | Vajb | nope |
| 13:50.31 | Vajb | i saw some nokias with keyboard squeezed tightly below screen |
| 13:50.39 | Vajb | but doesn't look too usable |
| 13:51.25 | kerio | my father bought a nokia 108 a week ago |
| 13:51.37 | kerio | so fucking good |
| 13:51.50 | kerio | it doesn't even support bluetooth HFP |
| 14:22.34 | Vajb | it's starnge that most of my friend complain on screen kbd, but still they use shitty android phones. I guess thats not the best way to send correct message to manufacturers |
| 14:22.43 | Vajb | strange* |
| 15:15.34 | zGrr | Vajb: why would manufacturers even care about what users think? |
| 15:17.52 | Vajb | well if phones without hw kbd stop selling that might force them to rethink their products |
| 15:18.39 | zGrr | Vajb: they will sell if there will be no other phones. |
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| 15:21.13 | Vajb | i guess that's why they sell now |
| 15:21.36 | zGrr | Vajb: manufacturers do not even regard your father as their customer. they only see mobile phone network as their customers and the networks decide what is good for your father and what is bad. he is only suppose to come once in a couple of years, sign the contract and get a new crappy handset together with it. |
| 15:22.07 | Vajb | sad but true |
| 15:27.40 | kerio | sure, in the US |
| 15:27.51 | kerio | where mobile networks' customers never had any choice at all |
| 15:30.04 | zGrr | it's the same everywhere. |
| 15:31.29 | kerio | no one in my immediate or second-level family has a contract phone |
| 15:32.47 | zGrr | it doesn't matter. they are the market for second-hand handsets. |
| 15:33.01 | kerio | no one in my immediate or second-level family has a used phone |
| 15:33.09 | zGrr | ok |
| 15:33.13 | zGrr | niche perhaps? |
| 15:33.36 | kerio | various samsung galaxies, and a couple of chinese THL phones |
| 15:33.52 | kerio | oh and a LG phone of some sorts |
| 15:34.10 | zGrr | you can buy a phone without a contract everywhere. i just don't know anybody doing this. except some rare cases. |
| 15:34.24 | zGrr | well |
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| 15:35.18 | zGrr | I was buing new phones myself. but technically they were second-hand. sold with contract to someone else and resold without unboxing. |
| 15:37.13 | zGrr | brand new, unused, unopened but second-hand. |
| 15:45.42 | zGrr | even jolla that sells phones directly doesn't listen to their customers. they seem to know better. |
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| 15:50.16 | wnd | I don't know anyone (at least personally) who bought a phone with a contract. I suppose that depends on where you live (and who you know). |
| 15:51.06 | zGrr | definitely |
| 16:00.42 | Luke-Jr | Pali: what is the best way for me to contribute to kdepim-noakonadi? I think I have a working fix for my crash, and also backported other changes from mainline KMail |
| 16:01.08 | Luke-Jr | Pali: maybe slowly as more people desire a good email client, the project can grow? ;) |
| 16:01.40 | Luke-Jr | (I think a lot of people still using KMail 4.4 will be left behind when Qt4 dies off) |
| 16:02.37 | Pali | Luke-Jr: send me patch |
| 16:03.03 | Luke-Jr | Pali: patches are ugly - no way to do git? maybe I can fork it on GitHub? |
| 16:03.32 | Luke-Jr | right now, it'd be about 20 patches :x |
| 16:04.15 | Pali | git format-patch |
| 16:04.29 | Pali | or clone project somewhere |
| 16:04.36 | Pali | and send me pull request or so |
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| 16:05.18 | Pali | you can also use git send-email :-) |
| 16:06.38 | Luke-Jr | pull request to a KDE repo? O.o |
| 16:06.57 | Luke-Jr | or do you have it on GitHub or similar? |
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| 16:25.16 | Pali | Luke-Jr: nope, but kde has reviewboard (git.reviewboard.kde.org) |
| 16:25.20 | Pali | but I mean git request-pull |
| 16:25.29 | Pali | for sending pull requests |
| 16:31.37 | Luke-Jr | Pali: okay. reviewboard doesn't seem to do git pull/merge stuff, so how does this sound: fork the other kdepim-noakonadi already on GitHub, push my changes there, then git-request-pull it to you? |
| 16:32.30 | Pali | Luke-Jr: send me either patches (by git format-patch) or send me link from which I can pull your commits (e.g manually or via git request-pull) |
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| 17:37.00 | totalizator | sixwheeledbeast: good to know that you fixed the scrobbler \:D/ |
| 17:37.19 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
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| 17:45.48 | Sicelo | Wizzup: tested that network streaming .. it is surprisingly very stable on my wifi :) manually loaded the module with pactl |
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| 18:11.06 | Wizzup | Sicelo: :) nice |
| 18:11.10 | Wizzup | It was stable on my wifi at times |
| 18:11.12 | Wizzup | not always |
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| 19:38.41 | sunweaver | Hi! Just posed this on #neo900: |
| 19:40.12 | sunweaver | 21:35 < sunweaver> I am a Debian developer and I would like to help out with packaging for Neo900/N900. Where is the right place to get in tocuh??? |
| 19:40.46 | kerio | sunweaver: #maemo-ssu |
| 19:40.52 | kerio | more likely |
| 19:40.58 | sunweaver | ack. |
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| 20:23.24 | stryngs | Can someone explain to me, why, when i built libxml2-2.9.2 from source, it created python2.5 libs, but not python2.7? |
| 20:23.35 | KotCzarny | config option? |
| 20:24.09 | stryngs | hmm |
| 20:24.10 | KotCzarny | no 2.7-dev for python installed? |
| 20:24.19 | stryngs | i have 2.7-dev |
| 20:24.29 | stryngs | i'm just trying to figure out which ./configure -- flag i need to throw |
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| 20:29.01 | stryngs | hmm |
| 20:29.12 | stryngs | Pali: Will upgrading, Libxml2 2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5, break my system? |
| 20:29.22 | stryngs | I tried to grab the deb, but evidently it's built into the PR1.3 package itself |
| 20:30.41 | bencoh | stryngs: see debian/control I guess |
| 20:31.28 | stryngs | bencoh: I don't follow? |
| 20:33.42 | bencoh | the debian/control file |
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| 20:33.54 | stryngs | i can't grab the file |
| 20:33.59 | bencoh | ? |
| 20:34.00 | stryngs | that's just it, or i would |
| 20:34.02 | stryngs | try it |
| 20:34.03 | stryngs | libxml2 |
| 20:34.04 | stryngs | from |
| 20:34.07 | stryngs | maemo.org/packages |
| 20:34.11 | stryngs | See if u can find the .deb |
| 20:34.13 | stryngs | i'd love to. |
| 20:34.25 | stryngs | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr1-2_armel/libxml2/2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5/ |
| 20:34.29 | stryngs | It leads me there. |
| 20:34.50 | bencoh | that's the stock package |
| 20:34.57 | stryngs | right |
| 20:35.03 | stryngs | but i cant find the actual deb for libxml2 |
| 20:35.22 | bencoh | I dont think maemo.org/packages tracks cssu |
| 20:35.29 | bencoh | (I'm pretty sure it doesnt) |
| 20:35.34 | stryngs | Reinstallation of libxml2 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 20:36.00 | bencoh | it can be downloaded from mirrors |
| 20:36.13 | bencoh | or from cssu |
| 20:36.20 | stryngs | url? |
| 20:36.58 | stryngs | http://repository.maemo.org/community/pool/fremantle/free/libx/libxml2/ |
| 20:37.06 | bencoh | http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/libx/libxml2/ |
| 20:37.30 | bencoh | you know you could just apt-get source with a proper env ? |
| 20:38.04 | bencoh | (and I won't tell you it would be much cleaner and easier if you did all that from sb ;) |
| 20:39.06 | stryngs | hmm |
| 20:39.09 | stryngs | uri = http://repository.maemo.org/community/ |
| 20:39.09 | stryngs | dist = fremantle |
| 20:39.10 | stryngs | components = free non-free |
| 20:39.42 | bencoh | you need a "src" line in sources.list for apt-get source to work |
| 20:40.03 | bencoh | s/src/deb-src/ |
| 20:40.35 | stryngs | Well, i guess this answers the question of whether or not upgrading libxml would be bad for my health |
| 20:40.44 | bencoh | infobot: <3 |
| 20:40.44 | infobot | <3 is probably love |
| 20:41.01 | stryngs | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free |
| 20:41.04 | stryngs | bencoh: ^? |
| 20:43.57 | stryngs | holy cow |
| 20:44.12 | stryngs | That's a lot of updatees |
| 20:45.04 | Sicelo | :D |
| 20:45.19 | bencoh | I dunno what you're doing, but maemo as a whole doesnt play nice with apt deps, and apt-get upgrade is often .... unpredictable |
| 20:45.41 | stryngs | I'm trying to get cssu .debs |
| 20:45.48 | stryngs | So i added that to my sources.list file |
| 20:45.51 | stryngs | did apt-get update |
| 20:45.59 | stryngs | and apt-get upgrade showed a TON of stuff i've never seen before |
| 20:46.09 | stryngs | I want to hit Y, but at the same time, am not sure, if it's smart |
| 20:46.15 | stryngs | I don't have a "cssu" environment |
| 20:46.31 | stryngs | apt-get upgrade has always been safe for me |
| 20:46.38 | stryngs | but i've never added the cssu repo |
| 20:46.40 | stryngs | till now |
| 20:48.12 | KotCzarny | you guys can add info about src repos to ~maemo-repos |
| 20:49.18 | bencoh | KotCzarny: no I wouldn't |
| 20:49.41 | bencoh | because that's supposed to go in a dev env (sb for instance) |
| 20:49.54 | KotCzarny | some might want do dev on device |
| 20:50.04 | stryngs | and^ |
| 20:50.08 | stryngs | I dev on my device |
| 20:50.09 | bencoh | those should be able to find it by themselve ;) |
| 20:50.15 | stryngs | boo |
| 20:50.17 | KotCzarny | with proper commenting it would be valuable |
| 20:50.40 | KotCzarny | bencoh, not everyone is apt wizard ;) |
| 20:50.45 | stryngs | << |
| 20:50.47 | stryngs | agreed |
| 20:50.56 | KotCzarny | is a slacker |
| 20:51.46 | stryngs | Hmm |
| 20:51.50 | stryngs | I'm gunna take the plunge |
| 20:51.55 | stryngs | I hope i dont breka my nokia |
| 20:52.07 | KotCzarny | reflashing is quick and easy |
| 20:52.08 | stryngs | 114 packages.. |
| 20:52.11 | stryngs | not for me KotCzarny |
| 20:52.20 | KotCzarny | but mind you, rootsf is scarce |
| 20:52.20 | stryngs | Takes about 1.5 hrs |
| 20:52.26 | KotCzarny | *rootfs |
| 20:52.29 | stryngs | Not for me |
| 20:52.35 | stryngs | rootfs is around 9gb =) |
| 20:52.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:52.48 | stryngs | I build my nokia in a very special way, using bind mounts and such |
| 20:52.57 | KotCzarny | move it to sd card? |
| 20:53.03 | KotCzarny | then backup and restore card on pc? |
| 20:53.10 | stryngs | sd card broke |
| 20:53.11 | stryngs | http://termbin.com/kzrm |
| 20:53.16 | stryngs | That's how my fs is laid out |
| 20:53.50 | KotCzarny | mind you, ondevice flash can break |
| 20:54.34 | stryngs | Can someone confirm if this is proper repo for cssu? deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free |
| 20:55.02 | kerio | that's cssu-stable, yes |
| 20:55.29 | stryngs | KERIO! |
| 20:55.40 | stryngs | Do you have about 5 minutes I could pick your brain? |
| 20:55.41 | kerio | no |
| 20:55.43 | stryngs | dang |
| 20:55.46 | stryngs | next time perhaps then |
| 20:55.54 | stryngs | but putting that in my repo, and doing apt-get upgrade. sane? |
| 20:56.00 | KotCzarny | um |
| 20:56.01 | stryngs | kerio: ^ |
| 20:56.13 | KotCzarny | you never do upgrade on n900 |
| 20:56.14 | kerio | probably |
| 20:56.20 | KotCzarny | unless you want to break thing |
| 20:56.21 | kerio | KotCzarny: wat |
| 20:56.21 | KotCzarny | s |
| 20:56.23 | stryngs | KotCzarny: u mean dist-upgrade |
| 20:56.26 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 20:56.26 | stryngs | upgrade is safe |
| 20:56.31 | stryngs | dist-upgrade == bad |
| 20:56.32 | KotCzarny | even upgrade can break things |
| 20:56.37 | stryngs | Never has for me |
| 20:56.40 | kerio | stryngs: upgrade but reboot immediately |
| 20:56.41 | KotCzarny | at least that was cssu guys stance |
| 20:56.53 | kerio | KotCzarny: yes, it can cause states of weirdness and it's unsupported |
| 20:56.54 | stryngs | kerio: Why the immediate reboot? |
| 20:57.02 | kerio | on the other hand, stryngs knows what a bindmount is |
| 20:57.20 | kerio | so i assume he can read the apt man page to solve possible problems |
| 20:57.37 | stryngs | I can figure stuff out, this is just very new territory to me |
| 20:57.38 | kerio | stryngs: because you will update quite a number of system things |
| 20:57.44 | stryngs | i've never mucked with cssu |
| 20:57.49 | stryngs | but, it has newer libxml, openssl, etc.. |
| 20:57.57 | stryngs | Things I would love to incorporate |
| 20:58.05 | stryngs | I'm also curious, how my bindmounts would affect them |
| 20:58.06 | stryngs | i.e. |
| 20:58.12 | stryngs | at which point in bootup does the mounting occur |
| 20:58.17 | stryngs | etc.. |
| 20:58.24 | stryngs | Welp |
| 20:58.31 | kerio | well, you're supposed to tell me |
| 20:58.33 | KotCzarny | there was a page for that |
| 20:58.35 | stryngs | They say, the one way to tell, is to just........ |
| 20:58.36 | stryngs | DO it |
| 20:58.38 | stryngs | So.. |
| 20:58.40 | stryngs | apt-get upgrade -y |
| 20:58.46 | kerio | yesterday you said tomorrow |
| 20:59.01 | kerio | stryngs: when was your last backup? |
| 20:59.13 | KotCzarny | http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?s=eb294268c4d5d31e960acd6e31322a30&t=87959 |
| 20:59.15 | stryngs | i keep a stable backup at all times |
| 20:59.23 | kerio | yeah but like |
| 20:59.25 | kerio | a full backup |
| 20:59.25 | stryngs | hmm, need the gpg key for cssu |
| 20:59.33 | stryngs | I keep a stable offline backup at all times kerio |
| 20:59.34 | KotCzarny | weird how 213.128.137.28 is higher than talk.maemo.org |
| 20:59.39 | kerio | stryngs: yes that would be one of the things that cssu-enabler does |
| 20:59.46 | stryngs | Gotcha |
| 20:59.55 | kerio | any reason not to follow the official instructions for installing cssu? |
| 20:59.56 | stryngs | I'd like to find the script that cssu uses to make phones cssu |
| 21:00.02 | stryngs | because of my bindmounts and such |
| 21:00.13 | kerio | those instructions start with "take a full backup with backupmenu" |
| 21:00.14 | stryngs | I have a modified pwnieexpress pwnphone |
| 21:00.19 | kerio | might as well try |
| 21:00.22 | kerio | oh right you're the script kid |
| 21:00.25 | stryngs | ^ |
| 21:00.30 | KotCzarny | stryngs, it upgrades one package |
| 21:00.40 | KotCzarny | then all other things depend on that one metapackage |
| 21:00.40 | stryngs | kerio: I'm that guy =) |
| 21:00.42 | kerio | figure out when the bindmounts are done |
| 21:01.07 | kerio | i don't think cssu-stable changes /sbin/preinit, for instance |
| 21:01.30 | stryngs | kerio it's not so much the bindmounts I'm worried about; as making sure the phone is stable and such. |
| 21:03.04 | stryngs | http://repository.maemo.org/community/pool/fremantle/free/c/community-ssu-enabler/community-ssu-enabler_0.7-4_all.deb |
| 21:03.07 | stryngs | Thanks for the hint =) |
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| 21:20.53 | stryngs | Welp... We shall see what happens |
| 21:21.05 | stryngs | I never bothered to take apart the community enabler deb before. Seems sane... |
| 21:21.18 | KotCzarny | :> |
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