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| 08:57.40 | KotCzarny | sicelo: if new mobo is close enough to the old one, it could work |
| 08:57.44 | KotCzarny | (for windows) |
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| 10:07.47 | wotan147 | anyone knows what it means to have an error with " Protocol http not supported or disabled in libcurl" on a server when doing sudo apt-get update ? |
| 10:08.22 | KotCzarny | it's just that |
| 10:08.37 | KotCzarny | apt tried using http while server only does some apt specific |
| 10:08.43 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 10:08.46 | KotCzarny | scratch that |
| 10:08.53 | KotCzarny | update libcurl |
| 10:09.21 | KotCzarny | maybe you got some crippled one without knowing |
| 10:10.06 | bencoh | no http support in libcurl sounds like a bad joke |
| 10:10.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:10.20 | bencoh | I mean ... *curl* :) |
| 10:11.02 | KotCzarny | http://curl.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#Protocol_xxx_not_supported_or_di |
| 10:11.37 | KotCzarny | Note that this error will also occur if you pass a wrongly spelled protocol part as in "htpt://example.com" or as in the less evident case if you prefix the protocol part with a space |
| 10:11.56 | KotCzarny | could be space before http somewhere |
| 10:13.59 | Wizzup | it is perfectly valid to disable http support in curl, just weird |
| 10:14.20 | KotCzarny | weird doesnt describe such castration |
| 10:14.20 | Wizzup | curl supports a lot more than just http |
| 10:15.21 | KotCzarny | disabling https can be reasoned with 'not depending on ssl libs' |
| 10:15.33 | KotCzarny | but http is so trivial that it just doesnt make sense |
| 10:15.41 | Wizzup | OK, well, it's perfectly valid. |
| 10:19.01 | wotan147 | in the sources.list.d the gulty server is the following one :"deb http://download.mendeley.com/apt stable main" |
| 10:19.19 | wotan147 | <the structure seems correct to me or am I wrong ? |
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| 10:19.37 | KotCzarny | AccessDenied |
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| 10:20.30 | wotan147 | in muon package manager I have the latest "curl" package installed , it is version 7.35.0 |
| 10:20.44 | KotCzarny | anyway, are we still talking about maemo? |
| 10:21.19 | wotan147 | oops ... fuck I picked up the wrong tab... I meant ubuntu .... |
| 10:21.21 | wotan147 | sorry guys ... |
| 10:21.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:26.47 | spongie | Any way to bypass the n900 boot loop without flashing / buying stuff or is it time to get a new phone? |
| 10:26.53 | KotCzarny | sure |
| 10:26.55 | KotCzarny | rescueos |
| 10:27.03 | KotCzarny | but first charge battery |
| 10:27.06 | spongie | cant |
| 10:27.15 | KotCzarny | as it often is the reason of bootloop |
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| 10:27.49 | spongie | the whole boot loop issue is that you cannot charge the battery since it's automatically trying to start the OS |
| 10:28.06 | spongie | it is one of the most stupid bugs ive ever seen, but here we are |
| 10:28.13 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: yes, but good luck finding a mobo today that will closely match a +5yr old mobo :( |
| 10:28.29 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: iirc there *is* battery charging in rescueos |
| 10:28.36 | freemangordon | spongie: ^^^ |
| 10:28.38 | KotCzarny | sicelo: well, still doable, but i agree windows licensing sucks |
| 10:28.47 | spongie | what am I supposed to do with rescueos? |
| 10:28.55 | KotCzarny | boot it, then run charging script |
| 10:29.04 | freemangordon | spongie: so you just need to boot into rescueos, start charging and wix whatever is broken |
| 10:29.12 | freemangordon | *fix |
| 10:29.20 | KotCzarny | but charge first, you might have working device without tinkering |
| 10:29.24 | jon_y | my N900 can never boot if I leave it charging |
| 10:29.30 | spongie | i dont get how thats supposed to be done. |
| 10:29.35 | jon_y | so that means it must hold enough charge to at least boot |
| 10:29.37 | freemangordon | ~rescueos |
| 10:29.38 | infobot | rescueos is probably http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 10:29.50 | spongie | jon_y: exactly that. |
| 10:30.00 | freemangordon | spongie: http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/rescueOS-1.2/documentation.txt |
| 10:30.01 | spongie | why would it be able to boot rescueos when it cannot boot the regular os? |
| 10:30.04 | jon_y | then again, I remember the N900 charging without booting the OS |
| 10:30.05 | KotCzarny | jon, not entirely true |
| 10:30.18 | KotCzarny | as bme might decide to kill it prematurely |
| 10:30.18 | freemangordon | well, both are true :) |
| 10:30.28 | freemangordon | it can charge with and without OS |
| 10:30.29 | spongie | there's one big huge issue: someone had the idea to boot automatically when a charge is attached |
| 10:30.43 | freemangordon | spongie: so? |
| 10:30.45 | spongie | that was the most stupid design flaw ive ever seen on any phone. (actually my old ericson had that prob too) |
| 10:30.53 | KotCzarny | spongie, try it first |
| 10:31.02 | KotCzarny | you can always grumble if it doesnt work |
| 10:31.04 | spongie | freemangordon: when it boots, it then dies before booting because its running out of battery |
| 10:31.07 | freemangordon | spongie: you can attach usb cable with the battery removed |
| 10:31.18 | KotCzarny | rescueos boots faster than maemo |
| 10:31.28 | spongie | freemangordon: it doesnt respond to anything when I remove the battery |
| 10:31.44 | freemangordon | yes, you should put it back while holding "U" |
| 10:32.08 | freemangordon | just find a battery that has soe charge in it |
| 10:32.17 | freemangordon | *some |
| 10:32.32 | spongie | right. ill just go to my warehouse full of n900 batteries |
| 10:32.55 | KotCzarny | ask someone who has bl-5j compatible device? |
| 10:32.59 | freemangordon | spongie: when you attach a charger, nolo charges the battery to a level so the OS can be booted |
| 10:33.07 | spongie | freemangordon: except, IT DOESNT |
| 10:33.32 | freemangordon | then your battery simply does not hold charge anymore |
| 10:33.40 | spongie | it charges enough to show the white background nokia logo and shine the white light on the led before shutting down |
| 10:33.50 | Sicelo | spongie: ALL phones boot when you connect charger .. how else would the phone "see" when the battery is full? they just boot to a Run Level 1 so to speak .. you get the idea |
| 10:34.04 | spongie | Sicelo: using hardware rather than software. |
| 10:34.16 | Sicelo | :) |
| 10:34.19 | spongie | Sicelo: you could measure battery charge long before digital electronics became pocket size |
| 10:34.25 | KotCzarny | nokia 5230, 5800,, c3, x1, x6, asha 200/201/302, lumia 520/530 |
| 10:34.32 | freemangordon | spongie: did you try to boot rescueos? |
| 10:34.50 | spongie | freemangordon: I'm still not sure how Im supposed to get a downloaded image on my laptop on to the phone |
| 10:34.55 | jon_y | maybe the N900 should copy what Intel does with their management engine |
| 10:35.03 | KotCzarny | did you read documentationt there? |
| 10:35.08 | KotCzarny | http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/rescueOS-1.2/documentation.txt |
| 10:35.10 | KotCzarny | read it whole |
| 10:35.16 | jon_y | an auxiliary low power CPU that starts before the main CPU is even powered on |
| 10:35.30 | jon_y | for basic debug/testing/sanity |
| 10:35.30 | freemangordon | spongie: flasher-3.5 -k rescueOS_n900_kernel_1.2.zImage -n rescueOS-1.2.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" |
| 10:35.44 | spongie | right. so, my original question was "without flashing or buying something" |
| 10:35.52 | KotCzarny | it doesnt flash anything |
| 10:35.54 | KotCzarny | it just boots |
| 10:35.55 | freemangordon | you won't flash anything |
| 10:36.07 | KotCzarny | but use the exact boot line |
| 10:36.21 | jon_y | note the "-l" |
| 10:36.27 | jon_y | it loads the image, not flash |
| 10:36.34 | freemangordon | spongie: flasher can boot kernel and initrd without tpoouching any storage |
| 10:36.35 | jon_y | so it is not something permanent |
| 10:36.43 | freemangordon | *touching |
| 10:37.25 | spongie | why would it be able to boot rescueos when it cant do it with the normal os? |
| 10:37.30 | KotCzarny | just try it |
| 10:37.31 | freemangordon | spongie: just read the rescueos documentation you've been given link to twice already :) |
| 10:37.39 | spongie | freemangordon: already read the instructions on how to boot it |
| 10:38.04 | spongie | but if my battery cant hold a charge very well any more (which is most likely true), then it needs to recharge for an hour or so before I could get any use of the phone |
| 10:38.30 | KotCzarny | boot rescueos, if it succeeds, start charging script immediately |
| 10:38.38 | freemangordon | spongie: no, you can run the charger script whie in rescueos, so it won;t power down because of the empty battery |
| 10:38.54 | freemangordon | what KotCzarny said |
| 10:39.09 | KotCzarny | its in: /rescueOS/charge21.bash |
| 10:39.27 | jon_y | better type it fast :) |
| 10:39.28 | spongie | btw, I have two older phones here, both of them manage to indicate the charge level of the battery whilst being completely off. |
| 10:39.35 | KotCzarny | jon: tabbing helps |
| 10:39.44 | jon_y | make it a bash alias |
| 10:39.58 | jon_y | like "qqqq" |
| 10:39.59 | spongie | I guess the main problem is that nobody excepts anybody to own a phone for longer than 2 years these days. |
| 10:40.01 | KotCzarny | i think ctrl-space is tab in rescueos |
| 10:40.21 | KotCzarny | spongie: my n900 is 6 years old, still holds charge for 5-6 days |
| 10:40.24 | jon_y | I know, but fumbling isn't the best when you are short on time |
| 10:40.30 | KotCzarny | (original battery) |
| 10:40.41 | spongie | KotCzarny: but they designed it so it's completely broken once the battery starts failing |
| 10:40.49 | freemangordon | jon_y: well, you'll train it in a couple of reboots :) |
| 10:40.57 | KotCzarny | spongie, its hacker device, hackers know the ways |
| 10:41.00 | spongie | I could've had it for another 5 years easily. |
| 10:41.01 | jon_y | :) |
| 10:41.04 | spongie | KotCzarny: not its the opposite |
| 10:41.05 | Sicelo | interesting :) |
| 10:41.10 | spongie | making things "automagic" is the opposite |
| 10:41.17 | KotCzarny | spongie, you can easily 'fix' it |
| 10:41.19 | spongie | nothing should ever boot unless explicitly told so. |
| 10:41.25 | KotCzarny | thats why its hackers device |
| 10:41.25 | spongie | KotCzarny: no, not "easily" |
| 10:41.28 | KotCzarny | try that on s60 |
| 10:41.33 | jon_y | so how can I contribute to rescueOS? |
| 10:41.35 | KotCzarny | spngie, EASILY |
| 10:41.39 | jon_y | add the qqqq alias |
| 10:41.42 | spongie | KotCzarny: its the oppposite of hacker. apple users want automatic, I dont |
| 10:41.45 | Sicelo | jon_y: talk to NIN101 |
| 10:41.46 | KotCzarny | jon: talk to author (nin101 i think) |
| 10:41.49 | jon_y | ok |
| 10:41.59 | bencoh | you can check its git repository first |
| 10:42.04 | bencoh | err, his* |
| 10:42.12 | KotCzarny | bencoh, its |
| 10:42.14 | Sicelo | there isn't |
| 10:42.15 | freemangordon | spongie: and how is the battery supposed to be charge without running a battery management software on a device with not so smart charging HW? |
| 10:42.17 | Sicelo | or is there now? |
| 10:42.19 | jon_y | NIN101: hey what do you think of adding a bash alias for the battery charging script? |
| 10:42.26 | spongie | my laptop doesnt boot just because I plug in the charger, neither should my phone |
| 10:42.40 | jon_y | NIN101: alias qqqq /rescueOS/charge21.bash |
| 10:42.43 | spongie | freemangordon: i dunno, how did they manage to get phones to do that in 1995? |
| 10:42.49 | spongie | use that amazeballs technology |
| 10:42.49 | KotCzarny | i would like my laptop to boot then i connect power :/ |
| 10:42.51 | freemangordon | spongie: your laptop battery is not managed by the SW on the laptop |
| 10:43.10 | KotCzarny | luckily in thinkpads t[45]30 and higher they finally added it to the bios |
| 10:43.12 | spongie | same with the magic led on those phones. they charge and dont boot. |
| 10:43.17 | NIN101 | jon_y: there is already "chargebat" |
| 10:43.27 | NIN101 | also, hi all. |
| 10:43.31 | freemangordon | spongie: why are you so sure there is no SW running on those old phones? |
| 10:43.35 | Sicelo | hey NIN101 |
| 10:43.37 | freemangordon | NIN101: hi! |
| 10:43.38 | jon_y | oh ok, I thought I might make it easier by mashing the q key L( |
| 10:43.39 | KotCzarny | spongie, phones in 1995 booted os TOO, it was just much smaller |
| 10:43.40 | Sicelo | freemangordon: +! |
| 10:43.42 | jon_y | :) |
| 10:43.44 | Sicelo | :) |
| 10:43.44 | KotCzarny | and you didnt see it |
| 10:44.00 | spongie | freemangordon: there could be, but it manages to run off whatever power the charger is supplying. |
| 10:44.09 | freemangordon | the same for n900 |
| 10:44.17 | freemangordon | it is just that your OS is broken |
| 10:44.21 | spongie | also, except for the charger led it does nothing else unless I press the power key. might be they are in stand-by, which is still better than trying to boot the os |
| 10:44.39 | jon_y | can you hook a PSU up to the battery pins for the phone to boot? |
| 10:44.42 | spongie | this is the most stupid thing ever, i cant beleive anybody would argue for this feature. |
| 10:44.44 | Sicelo | 05:33 < Sicelo> spongie: ALL phones boot when you connect charger .. how else would the phone "see" when the battery is full? they just boot to a Run Level 1 so to speak .. you get the idea |
| 10:44.50 | spongie | Sicelo: I replied. |
| 10:44.52 | jon_y | just make sure it is the correct voltage of course |
| 10:44.54 | spongie | no they dont |
| 10:45.08 | Sicelo | who will control the LED? |
| 10:45.14 | spongie | Sicelo: hardware. |
| 10:45.18 | freemangordon | spongie: anyway, I don;t see the point of the arguing, it is the way it is :) |
| 10:45.23 | spongie | Sicelo: it's quite easy from an electronics stand point |
| 10:45.46 | freemangordon | spongie: charging LiIon or LiPo is easy? |
| 10:45.59 | spongie | Sicelo: even if it is software managing the led on the old phones, they have made sure that it works even with really really bad batteries. |
| 10:46.03 | freemangordon | that is new to me |
| 10:46.09 | spongie | freemangordon: measuring charge |
| 10:46.14 | spongie | why are you trying to sidetrack? |
| 10:46.14 | Sicelo | :) |
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| 10:46.33 | KotCzarny | this whole talk is useless here, try neo900 which is in development |
| 10:46.40 | KotCzarny | you cant change much in n900 |
| 10:46.52 | jon_y | will Neo900 use bleeding edge kernels? |
| 10:47.02 | Sicelo | they won't accept it that side too. can tell you that for sure |
| 10:47.07 | freemangordon | no, really, what I am trying to say is that most probably there *is* SW running on thosle old phones, that controls the charging process and LEDs |
| 10:47.10 | jon_y | and have a fully flashable nand |
| 10:47.13 | spongie | The n900 is one of the shittiest products I ever bought (preordered), but it still beats the living snot out of the current competition. |
| 10:47.22 | freemangordon | :) |
| 10:47.25 | Sicelo | :P |
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| 10:47.31 | spongie | which is why im reluctant to pick up a FREE android phone from my provider |
| 10:47.31 | kerio | yeah, the n900 is fucking awful |
| 10:47.32 | Sicelo | freemangordon: you're correct |
| 10:47.33 | jon_y | gib me your n900, I need moar |
| 10:47.37 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 10:47.47 | kerio | it was crap at day one, it's crap now |
| 10:47.50 | KotCzarny | i would also use another n900 |
| 10:47.55 | kerio | and yet it was the best available at day one |
| 10:47.57 | freemangordon | spongie: the same is on n900, just that your device has that SW broken |
| 10:47.59 | kerio | and it's still the best available |
| 10:48.01 | kerio | :( |
| 10:48.01 | KotCzarny | for science, and stuff |
| 10:48.06 | Sicelo | btwy, to add more to this issue .. i have an N-Gage .. doesn't charge a brand new battery because OS is broken |
| 10:48.08 | spongie | KotCzarny: i've already looked, it's not easy finding n900 in the perfect condition mine is in |
| 10:48.11 | Sicelo | 2003 pohone |
| 10:48.17 | Sicelo | *phone |
| 10:48.18 | jon_y | I need it so I can build a shrine of N900s |
| 10:48.23 | spongie | except for a few broken pixels in the top right corner it still looks shiny and new |
| 10:48.37 | jon_y | I don't know what I'll do if mine breaks down |
| 10:48.40 | KotCzarny | mine has just few scratches from all the falls |
| 10:48.49 | jon_y | no android device even comes close to the N900 |
| 10:48.49 | freemangordon | jon_y: buy another one :) |
| 10:48.51 | Sicelo | jon_y: commit suiciede. i will |
| 10:48.54 | Sicelo | :D |
| 10:48.57 | spongie | Sicelo: all phones are broken today. the only time phones where ever really good was when they were only phones |
| 10:48.58 | jon_y | D: |
| 10:49.10 | NIN101 | I got a BQ aquaris with ubuntu touch. Yes, n900 sucks, the rest sucks more though. |
| 10:49.19 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 10:49.40 | spongie | jon_y: no, but my choices now are 1) elaborate fucking process to maybe, possibly mend a phone that might well crap out like this again or 2) just go mainstream |
| 10:49.42 | freemangordon | NIN101: the only thing that really sucks about n900 is the amount of RAM |
| 10:49.54 | KotCzarny | spongie, just fix it, its quite easy |
| 10:49.57 | jon_y | >mainstream |
| 10:49.59 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 10:50.05 | jon_y | I'd rather get a dumbphone |
| 10:50.12 | NIN101 | freemangordon: hmm, yeah, more or less. |
| 10:50.31 | jon_y | the only problem I have with a dumbphone is that it pretty much relies on the SIM card |
| 10:50.43 | jon_y | for all the SMS/phone number contacts |
| 10:50.54 | spongie | KotCzarny: even if I could find the cable in the pile of a thousand cables I've never used (never connected my n900 to a PC) I'm not up for it |
| 10:50.59 | freemangordon | NIN101: the main obstacle (for example) to have a recent gecko is that it puts the device on its knees RAM-wise |
| 10:51.00 | jon_y | and the cards have pretty limited space |
| 10:51.02 | spongie | it's going to take more time than it's worth |
| 10:51.11 | Sicelo | spongie: normal microusb cable? |
| 10:51.14 | KotCzarny | spongie, wanna sell it cheaply? |
| 10:51.18 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 10:51.22 | KotCzarny | or donate to community? (me) |
| 10:51.35 | spongie | Sicelo: I don't have any except the one that came with the phone. Nothing in my world uses micro. |
| 10:51.35 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: oh, you're the community? :P |
| 10:51.39 | jon_y | donate it to the shrine of N900s (me) :) |
| 10:51.43 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: i has karma! :P |
| 10:52.11 | spongie | KotCzarny: how cheaply? |
| 10:52.12 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: oh, come on, you just found the exact one to talk about karma with ;) |
| 10:52.26 | KotCzarny | spongie, dont know the shipping costs, but 20-30$ ? |
| 10:52.36 | spongie | meh. |
| 10:52.42 | spongie | I'm lazy and not in need of any money. |
| 10:52.51 | freemangordon | spongie: donate it then |
| 10:52.54 | jon_y | donate it for free! |
| 10:52.57 | spongie | I'm still lazy. |
| 10:52.58 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: hehe, i wrote a program! |
| 10:53.09 | Sicelo | ~oscp |
| 10:53.09 | infobot | [oscp] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 |
| 10:53.12 | spongie | I actually gave away my N9 |
| 10:53.15 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: you're my hero ! |
| 10:53.20 | jon_y | while true; do ; done |
| 10:53.23 | KotCzarny | yay for maemo heros! |
| 10:53.24 | freemangordon | :D |
| 10:53.24 | jon_y | a program :) |
| 10:53.28 | spongie | I "upgraded" to the N9 for about 4 hours before shaking my head and going back to n900 |
| 10:53.36 | KotCzarny | n9 sucks |
| 10:53.40 | KotCzarny | too qt |
| 10:53.45 | spongie | all phones suck, some just suck more |
| 10:53.55 | KotCzarny | maybe someone can port fremantle to n9 |
| 10:53.58 | jon_y | N9 suck because no keyboard |
| 10:54.00 | freemangordon | spongie: think twice before throwing that device away. I have 2 n950 devices sitting in a drawer |
| 10:54.01 | KotCzarny | then it would rock |
| 10:54.02 | NIN101 | anyway, at first ubuntu touch looked promising, I mean it is quite hackable (but still quite some pain). however, if it just won't receive phone calls anymore until restart, or audio player dying when switching song and then stopping working even after restart of the audio player app, I don't have that much hope for it. |
| 10:54.04 | spongie | I love the n900 form factor, if they could just shove good hardware and software in there. |
| 10:54.23 | KotCzarny | spongie, n900 |
| 10:54.26 | spongie | freemangordon: I keep em all, that's why I have phones from late 90's still. |
| 10:54.29 | KotCzarny | i mean neo900 |
| 10:54.36 | spongie | KotCzarny: isnt that vapor ware? |
| 10:54.37 | freemangordon | NIN101: seems canonical doesn't put much effort in ubuntu touch |
| 10:54.41 | KotCzarny | i think the gave 1G to it |
| 10:54.42 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 10:54.49 | KotCzarny | finalizing already |
| 10:54.49 | NIN101 | freemangordon: yeah, not sure what they are doing. |
| 10:55.05 | freemangordon | spongie: you know what n950 is, correct? |
| 10:55.06 | jon_y | KotCzarny: will it be in time for christmas? :) |
| 10:55.13 | spongie | freemangordon: vaugely |
| 10:55.23 | freemangordon | n9 with HW keyboard |
| 10:55.26 | spongie | basically, my phone is for taking/making calls and occationally check email |
| 10:55.29 | jon_y | it is the N9 in 950 form |
| 10:55.35 | jon_y | *n900 form |
| 10:55.38 | spongie | (although I did my fair share of X11 over wifi) |
| 10:55.42 | KotCzarny | yeah, neo900 has 1G of ram |
| 10:55.49 | spongie | jon_y: right, but the N9 OS was horrible. |
| 10:55.51 | jon_y | only? :( |
| 10:56.01 | spongie | who the fudge makes twitter and facebook part of the core packages? |
| 10:56.10 | KotCzarny | The device is currently in development. Pre-order now! |
| 10:56.15 | freemangordon | jon_y: omap3 does not support more then 1GB |
| 10:56.17 | spongie | people who think thay can beat apple at their own game, thats who. but that will fail. |
| 10:56.22 | jon_y | oh well ;( |
| 10:56.53 | freemangordon | jon_y: read the FAQ on neo900.org :) |
| 10:57.00 | spongie | whats this gta04 they are comparing with? |
| 10:57.08 | freemangordon | spongie: where? |
| 10:57.16 | jon_y | will there be an omap5 version in the future? :) |
| 10:57.18 | KotCzarny | on specs page |
| 10:57.28 | KotCzarny | http://neo900.org/specs |
| 10:57.31 | Sicelo | an openmoko phone/board |
| 10:57.34 | spongie | I dunno... Debian ey. |
| 10:57.48 | spongie | So, I have to use the little pointer stick to run xfce? |
| 10:57.51 | freemangordon | jon_y: you'd better ask on #neo900, but I guess it largely depends on the outcome of the neo900 exercise |
| 10:57.58 | jon_y | ok |
| 10:58.03 | freemangordon | spongie: it is not like that |
| 10:58.15 | freemangordon | spongie: think about your laptop |
| 10:58.33 | KotCzarny | anyway, gotta run |
| 10:58.38 | freemangordon | it comes with freedos, for example. then you put whatever OS you would like on it |
| 10:59.15 | jon_y | is LTE the 4G thing I keep hearing about? |
| 10:59.26 | spongie | freemangordon: mine came with nothing |
| 10:59.30 | spongie | freemangordon: ofcourse, I get that |
| 10:59.41 | jon_y | mine comes with the UEFI shell :) |
| 10:59.58 | jon_y | it doesn't even display right unfortunately |
| 11:00.03 | spongie | I buy clevo to specifically avoid getting windows oem |
| 11:00.20 | jon_y | for instance, it won't scroll down if the text reaches the bottom |
| 11:00.51 | spongie | neo900 looks fun, but i need a working phone tomorrow, so it's probably going to be one of those lg's |
| 11:01.09 | spongie | freemangordon: but here's the thing. there is NO good phone OS |
| 11:01.14 | jon_y | will the Neo900 bring in UEFI? |
| 11:01.29 | spongie | freemangordon: the number of bugs I have (had) to deal with daily on my n900 is nothing i want again, so im not going to use maemo. |
| 11:02.06 | jon_y | the only good part about UEFI is the capability to load a new kernel off an external storage is a built in feature |
| 11:02.13 | freemangordon | is going afk for a while |
| 11:03.51 | jon_y | 480,00 ⬠for the neo900 |
| 11:03.59 | jon_y | this kills my bank account :( |
| 11:04.13 | spongie | Yeah, it's a bit excessive for that hardware |
| 11:04.23 | spongie | but i guess its expensive because of the small numbers |
| 11:05.10 | Sicelo | jon_y: current price? no ways. even new i bought mine for less than that |
| 11:05.24 | spongie | it says so on their page for preorder |
| 11:05.32 | Sicelo | gosh |
| 11:05.49 | Sicelo | ah, sorry, you means Neo |
| 11:05.55 | Sicelo | missed that part |
| 11:05.57 | jon_y | yeah, it is just a down payment |
| 11:05.57 | spongie | Yes. |
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| 11:06.56 | spongie | But still. 480 is a lot for the hardware, just like it was for the n900. (old hw before it hit the market) |
| 11:07.45 | NIN101 | 480 ⬠is only partial payment. |
| 11:09.06 | jon_y | >Why won't you use that new shiny 16-core CPU with 32 GB RAM? |
| 11:09.09 | jon_y | heh |
| 11:09.31 | spongie | "We believe that choosing a capacitive one would be considered a regression by current Maemo and Openmoko power users. |
| 11:09.52 | Sicelo | :) |
| 11:10.08 | spongie | Absolutely. Hey, neo900 looks fabulous, I can even buy the bare board and put in my in my old case |
| 11:10.39 | jon_y | >the cost of the motherboard should be somewhere around 990 EUR. The complete device will cost about 150 EUR more |
| 11:10.45 | jon_y | daaaaaaamg |
| 11:10.51 | spongie | whut? |
| 11:11.00 | jon_y | http://neo900.org/faq |
| 11:11.06 | jon_y | How much will it cost |
| 11:11.27 | spongie | what is that down payment crap they have on the store page? |
| 11:11.50 | jon_y | pay half for the full unit |
| 11:12.00 | freemangordon | spongie: (bugs in maemo) - would you give an example? |
| 11:12.12 | freemangordon | assuming you have cssu installed |
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| 11:15.55 | spongie | freemangordon: well, i rebooted the phone after a long flight, the screen wouldnt render until I rebooted. granted that only happened once or twice in all the time i had it |
| 11:16.02 | spongie | more annoying is the email client. |
| 11:16.25 | freemangordon | spongie: do you have cssu installed? |
| 11:16.37 | spongie | I used sylpheed, but it wasnt really optimized for the small screen |
| 11:16.55 | spongie | I just find it odd that the default email client in a shipped product doesnt do proper email. |
| 11:17.11 | spongie | (amongst other things it ignored nested, but still legal, mime parts) |
| 11:17.34 | spongie | the web browser is the slowest thing Ive ever used. it would take about 2.5 minutes just to start it |
| 11:17.47 | freemangordon | what?!? |
| 11:17.49 | spongie | once in the web browser, going to a web page could take another 2 minutes. |
| 11:18.06 | freemangordon | spongie: something is terribly wrong with your device |
| 11:18.24 | spongie | freemangordon: well, it is abolutely vanilla with only the official updates installed |
| 11:18.26 | freemangordon | the only think microb struggles with is desktop FB |
| 11:18.31 | freemangordon | spongie: ooh |
| 11:18.44 | freemangordon | ~cssu |
| 11:18.44 | infobot | hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 11:18.44 | spongie | freemangordon: however, remote X11 worked fine. |
| 11:18.55 | freemangordon | spongie: install cssu |
| 11:18.57 | spongie | too late for that now |
| 11:19.35 | spongie | there's also that half second delay between when you switch from horizontal to vertical view |
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| 11:19.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | swap hell |
| 11:19.54 | freemangordon | spongie: yeah, this is a dealbreaker (half a second) |
| 11:20.03 | spongie | also, when I remove the phone from my ear, it takes about 500-750ms to show the screen |
| 11:20.09 | freemangordon | spongie: tweak your transitions.ini |
| 11:20.12 | spongie | freemangordon: yeah. its annoying as hell |
| 11:20.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | *sigh* |
| 11:20.39 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 11:20.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hi! |
| 11:21.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | I wish my i5 was that responsive |
| 11:21.22 | spongie | DocScrutinizer51: I would rather not have a phone than having to use an iphone |
| 11:21.38 | spongie | im seriously considering going back to the old button phones. |
| 11:22.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | i5 3.2GHz 4core intel |
| 11:22.36 | spongie | how much is it? |
| 11:22.38 | freemangordon | spongie: every time I use my GF's asha 200, I wonder why the hell it is so slow |
| 11:22.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: hi! |
| 11:22.54 | spongie | freemangordon: the new vanilla android LG's are pretty swift. |
| 11:23.08 | freemangordon | sure, but it is android still :) |
| 11:23.20 | spongie | I have never used an iphone, so I have no idea, but ppl claim they are smooth and response. at least more so than android, but i have no idea. |
| 11:23.48 | spongie | freemangordon: I'm not keen on dishing out 1k for a phone with 4 year old hardware. |
| 11:23.53 | freemangordon | me neither, but yes, what I know is that iphone is very smooth |
| 11:23.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | developing snappy apps for embedded is an art |
| 11:24.28 | spongie | freemangordon: even though its not saying much, android > ios. |
| 11:24.51 | freemangordon | spongie: really, what is the problem with the dated HW? |
| 11:24.58 | spongie | freemangordon: the price |
| 11:25.21 | freemangordon | spongie: for that prce you get a complete device, not just a dated SoC |
| 11:25.36 | freemangordon | *price |
| 11:25.40 | spongie | freemangordon: and what hw will 1k buy me from apple or sony or lg, etc? |
| 11:25.59 | spongie | I don't mind paying 20-30% more to get an open device, but when it's 3x more expensive Im out |
| 11:26.23 | freemangordon | spongie: comparing apples to oranges? |
| 11:26.33 | spongie | freemangordon: no. phone hw vs phone hw |
| 11:26.42 | spongie | freemangordon: comparing money and money |
| 11:27.01 | freemangordon | spongie: freedom is not cheap |
| 11:27.07 | spongie | freemangordon: appearnatly not. |
| 11:27.36 | spongie | also, i think it's closer to 10x more expensive, which is really too much. |
| 11:28.06 | freemangordon | spongie: nice talk, but I have to leave. still, try to resurrect your n900 with booting rescueos on it :) |
| 11:28.50 | spongie | freemangordon: maybe some time in the future, but tomorrow im grabbing a free something something... |
| 11:29.19 | spongie | moving to the dark side. |
| 11:32.54 | spongie | what is the difference between micro usb A and B? |
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| 12:33.43 | nwolf900 | I'm pretty *nix oriented, but new to maemo, using n900; couldn't find any dropbox client except DropN900, which is out of support... are there any alternatives, or maybe some other relatively popular cloud app I don't know about? |
| 12:33.57 | Wizzup | I don't rely on any cloud app for my storage |
| 12:34.05 | Wizzup | You can use sshfs with your favourite server |
| 12:35.15 | nwolf900 | 10x man :) |
| 12:35.26 | Wizzup | ? |
| 12:37.24 | nwolf900 | 10x = thanks :) |
| 12:37.33 | Wizzup | welcome |
| 12:37.47 | Wizzup | I mean, it's not a dropbox replacement |
| 12:37.51 | Wizzup | Just a way to remote access files. |
| 12:37.54 | Wizzup | remotely* |
| 12:40.35 | nwolf900 | I use centralized storage too, but I need to have files offline, mirroring each other, so the cloud app is my simplest choice |
| 12:40.50 | Wizzup | rsync? ;) |
| 12:42.07 | drawkula | a local copy may help... |
| 12:43.52 | Wizzup | really looking forward to try and run a mainline kernel + gentoo on one of his spare n900s |
| 12:43.59 | nwolf900 | windows boxes are strangers to rsync and its alternatives are not too liteweight, otherwise - yeah, close enough :) |
| 12:44.41 | Wizzup | Especially if I can get USB hostmode to work on them :) |
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| 13:28.45 | ceene | well, so I think I've found a bug in libas-storage-0 |
| 13:28.54 | ceene | but it's closed source |
| 13:29.30 | ceene | but it's calling QmfStorageManager::load(const QString &identifier, QMailMessage *message) with a NULL identifier, which is something that should never happen |
| 13:30.19 | ceene | it may be looking for some path or file I may or may have not deleted from my n900 |
| 13:30.43 | ceene | but it causes a segfault on as-daemon and thus MfE can't be used |
| 13:30.53 | bencoh | is that the root cause of your issues with yappari these days ? |
| 13:31.02 | ceene | sorry, nop |
| 13:31.15 | ceene | but I pretty sure that there are several bugs hidden on the OS |
| 13:31.19 | ceene | that are causing them |
| 13:31.32 | ceene | this is only one of those, but it's unrelated to yappari |
| 13:31.46 | bencoh | mail for exchange ... hmm |
| 13:31.49 | ceene | the thing with yappari seems to be something related to the IO functions |
| 13:31.52 | ceene | or the network |
| 13:32.10 | ceene | i received several coredumps from yappari |
| 13:32.14 | ceene | and the stranges tthing |
| 13:32.20 | ceene | was that the coredump itself was corrupted |
| 13:32.56 | ceene | so in the end they were mostly useless, but it indicates something beyond the code of yappari |
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| 13:37.05 | docCamp | ~rescueos |
| 13:37.05 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 13:54.18 | Sicelo | Wizzup: you use DropN900? |
| 13:55.44 | Wizzup | No, I don't use clown storage |
| 13:55.49 | Wizzup | :) |
| 13:56.15 | Sicelo | ceene: if reflashing is an option, you mway want to just try that too ... i use EAS without problem on my 2 N900. |
| 14:04.03 | Sicelo | only doesn't work for my work account, due to N900 being non-provisioning |
| 14:12.54 | ceene | i've introduced a workaround on qmfstoragemanager.cpp to check for a null reference and that avoids the segfault |
| 14:13.12 | ceene | and i'm trying now to sync email |
| 14:13.32 | ceene | mine is not a work account, it's a server of mine with z-push interfacing against gmail |
| 14:14.27 | ceene | it still won't work but there are things happening on the server, so it may be now a z-push problem |
| 14:16.05 | Sicelo | possible. i use Outlook.com. Even Gmail EAS worked ok back in the days ... |
| 14:19.23 | ceene | i've just managed to sync with another imap account i have |
| 14:19.37 | ceene | i believe there's some kind of timeout on as-daemon |
| 14:19.45 | ceene | and since i have thousands of emails on gmail |
| 14:19.56 | ceene | it seems to get tired of waiting |
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| 14:24.26 | Sicelo | gmail shouldn't be using ActiveSync ... or you've got it setup with Mail for Exchange? stopped working that way for many of us a long time ago |
| 14:25.05 | ceene | z-push is a php app that acts as an activesync server on one side but interfaces with a imap server on the other side |
| 14:25.19 | ceene | so in theory it lets you use any imap account as MfE account |
| 14:25.38 | Sicelo | i get you. :) |
| 14:25.54 | ceene | i've just verified it works with my university imap account |
| 14:26.08 | ceene | in which i have something like 1 email or so |
| 14:26.11 | ceene | so no timeout :) |
| 14:26.28 | ceene | on gmail it seems to get stucked searching for labels/folders and thousands of emails |
| 14:46.13 | ceene | with a gmail account that has like ~60 emails it seems to get stuck with a strange message |
| 14:46.16 | ceene | Mobile loop detected! Messages sent to the mobile will be restricted to 1 items in order to identify the conflict |
| 14:46.51 | ceene | the meaning of that, i don't know |
| 14:47.05 | ceene | maybe it finds strange that the same email is found in two folders/labels |
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| 21:51.46 | Wizzup | Sicelo: I almost finished my blog post about using the n900 as audio sink/source using pulseaudio |
| 21:51.52 | Wizzup | I'll put it online in a bit - mind proofreading it? |
| 21:56.50 | Sicelo | sure. |
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| 22:00.30 | jj15 | Iâm curious. Iâve seen an RPi being used to set up a small mobile cell tower. The N900 has built in radio, and runs on a *nix base so theoretically would it be possible to use OpenBTS etc on the device? Iâve not researched this too much and dont even know it OpenBTS would compile/work. Just asking. |
| 22:03.41 | Wizzup | Sicelo: http://blog.wizzup.org/blog/n900-as-audio-sink |
| 22:04.08 | Wizzup | I wrote it somewhat in a hurry, but I think it should be correct |
| 22:05.01 | jj15 | http://sourceforge.net/p/openbts/mailman/message/25894064/ ⦠answered my question. |
| 22:05.19 | bencoh | jj15: uh ... what ? |
| 22:06.10 | bencoh | jj15: raspi+usrp I guess ? |
| 22:08.06 | jj15 | bencoh: I was looking at doing that, pricey tho :( |
| 22:09.07 | bencoh | usrp is quite expensive yea |
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