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| 01:34.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | cheers from cccamp15 |
| 01:37.12 | antranigv | cheers ^^ |
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| 10:10.43 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 10:10.55 | APic | B) |
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| 12:18.25 | Sicelo | installed Windows Server to further test PEAP+MSCHAPV2 issues on N900 |
| 12:18.33 | KotCzarny | desperado |
| 12:19.47 | Sicelo | it's a rather annoying situation, and it'd be nice to get to the root of it. |
| 12:20.52 | Sicelo | *if* i can :) not saying i'll succeed, but doesn't hurt to try |
| 12:21.29 | kerio | damn |
| 12:21.34 | kerio | that's some commitment |
| 12:21.46 | KotCzarny | yay for virtual machines? |
| 12:26.30 | Sicelo | i think EAPD is doing something wrong, *but* is also capable of doing it right ... thinki gconf keys. i know Pali got EAP GTC to work that way for example |
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| 14:18.01 | Luke-Jr | Pali: KMail is insanely slow in valgrind; I did get this: http://0bin.net/paste/3ntP2boc4gmIU0UY#UCdegtOWkfeT2-Y6uomgu4NnKv9bPxr5HQ9HATKFdj3 but I suspect it is triggered by Valgrind's slowness more than the original problem |
| 14:19.13 | Sicelo | he's offline |
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| 18:57.25 | Sicelo | http://www.nokia.com/ie-en/support/faq/?action=singleFAQ&caseid=FA136101_en_US |
| 18:57.37 | Sicelo | rather |
| 18:57.41 | Sicelo | https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/bea4eff8-3083-4350-9b29-0b4aac49b93a/nokia-mobile-phones-unable-to-connect-wifi-that-uses-authentication-backend-based-on-nps-and-ad?forum=winserverNAP |
| 18:58.09 | Sicelo | only that registry entry makes my WiFi 'replica' allow N900 to connect without issue at all |
| 18:58.41 | Sicelo | wonders if Admins would be willing to implement .. doubtful |
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| 19:41.02 | Vajb | Sicelo: asking wont cost you anything ;) |
| 19:44.26 | Sicelo | yeah. i've decided i will. of course we're talking about a global organization, and this change will have to be reviewed by admins i have no hopes of ever meeting, haha. |
| 19:44.31 | Sicelo | but will see |
| 19:46.35 | Vajb | haha |
| 19:47.09 | Vajb | i guess they are very jealous of their own role of decision makers |
| 19:47.37 | Sicelo | and iPhones work, and Android .. what's Maemo, haha |
| 19:48.01 | Vajb | well voice of minority :p |
| 19:48.23 | Vajb | you can draw equility card |
| 19:49.14 | Sicelo | Nokia is to blame though .. for sticking "too" closely to standards .. (think USB fast charging as well) |
| 19:50.53 | Vajb | well actually finns are known to follow rules too strictly |
| 19:51.11 | KotCzarny | standards are for something |
| 19:51.57 | Vajb | true that |
| 19:52.08 | Vajb | meant for bending, eh |
| 19:52.58 | KotCzarny | binding |
| 19:53.02 | KotCzarny | bonding |
| 19:56.29 | Sicelo | unfortunately a user needs to achieve what he needs to. he have nfc about RFCs and such stuff :( |
| 19:58.29 | Sicelo | for myself i'm quite happy to even spend time troubleshooting such stuff, but just look on b.m.o to see how many bugs could not be closed successfully due to this very issue. |
| 19:59.40 | Sicelo | MS also to blame, but Nokia could have bent the 'rules' for the benefit of users. N900 isn't even the only one affected .. most, if not all their other "Enterprise" devices, E-series Symbian, suffered from the same issue |
| 19:59.44 | KotCzarny | you can only achieve perfectness with infinite resources and time |
| 20:00.17 | KotCzarny | and mind you, m$ is known for ignoring standards |
| 20:00.43 | KotCzarny | 'your laptop doesnt want to boot anything else than "designed for..."? what a pity' |
| 20:02.02 | Vajb | not to mention... how come your laptop or desktop so often comes pre equipped with certain os |
| 20:02.26 | Vajb | it's like you could only buy car with 1.3 litre engine... |
| 20:02.50 | KotCzarny | vajb: funny thing is, they often don't work correctly with other versions of that os |
| 20:03.12 | Sicelo | in this case they definitely ignored standards ... http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3748.txt section 5.2.3: "Since the Expanded Nak Type is valid only in Responses and has very limited functionality, it MUST NOT be used as a general purpose error indication, such as for communication of error messages, or negotiation of parameters specific to a particular EAP method." |
| 20:04.52 | KotCzarny | sicelo, nokia did the right thing then, and their devices would work with other, more standard implementations |
| 20:06.02 | Vajb | actually that reminded me of our current acer laptop. It boots fine with linux livecd, but then something "snaps" and it dies. Sounds like some relay is triggered or something. |
| 20:06.19 | Vajb | needless to mention that with vista it works... |
| 20:06.42 | KotCzarny | vajb, chromebooks die without loading specific kernel modules |
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| 20:07.13 | KotCzarny | and my thinkpads just work (x40, x61) |
| 20:08.13 | Vajb | strange to say the least |
| 20:12.34 | KotCzarny | sicelo, can those expanded naks be blocked client side? |
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| 20:27.36 | Sicelo | i am still going to try some gconf values. problem is that EAPD is closed source. |
| 20:29.53 | Sicelo | tried to run strings against EAPD .. not making much progress though. Pali did find there a useable key that applies to EAP GTC. THere are a bunch of other possible keys, but i've not got very promising results out of them |
| 20:30.18 | Sicelo | not to mention that the lack of live logs on MS Server just makes matters worse, hehe |
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| 21:05.04 | Wizzup | hm.. |
| 21:05.15 | Wizzup | my n900 can see my sim just fine, but it just never sees any ... ehm ... bars |
| 21:05.21 | Wizzup | like it never picks up a 2g/3g signal |
| 21:05.25 | Wizzup | (no, it is not in offline mode) |
| 21:09.29 | Sicelo | signal in the area? |
| 21:12.38 | Wizzup | Sicelo: was yesteday |
| 21:12.48 | Wizzup | Sicelo: I cycled about 20km through amsterdam - no signal at any point |
| 21:12.57 | Wizzup | as in - at the same place there was a signal yesterday |
| 21:17.44 | Sicelo | tried a restart? |
| 21:18.21 | Sicelo | if that happens again, as root run `pnatd` and type AT+CFUN=0 |
| 21:18.35 | Sicelo | courtesy of DocScrutinizer05 |
| 21:21.43 | Sicelo | otherwise you may need to open up the device and clean up the contacts for the antenna |
| 21:26.10 | Wizzup | Sicelo: I tried a restart, didn't happen |
| 21:26.30 | Wizzup | ehm |
| 21:26.31 | Wizzup | I mean |
| 21:26.35 | Wizzup | a restart did not help |
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| 21:32.07 | Wizzup | swapped sims |
| 21:32.12 | Wizzup | the other sim works in my phone |
| 21:32.17 | Wizzup | my current sim doesn't work in other phone |
| 21:32.21 | Wizzup | indicates bad sim perhaps |
| 21:32.38 | Vajb | sounds like it for sure |
| 21:32.58 | Vajb | maybe you forgot the bill? |
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| 21:33.12 | Wizzup | Vajb: impossible! :) |
| 21:33.21 | Wizzup | Also - would that really mean I could not get any connectivity using the SIM? |
| 21:33.30 | Wizzup | In the other phone it even showed 'no sim' icon |
| 21:33.43 | Vajb | i think it might |
| 21:34.09 | Vajb | my mate once forgot his bill and he got no bars with sim |
| 21:34.34 | Wizzup | ok, nevermind my last msg about other phone -- friend but it in in the wrong way |
| 21:34.37 | Wizzup | (lol, how) |
| 21:34.45 | Vajb | also when one tried to call him the notice said "this phone number does not receive phone calls" |
| 21:34.52 | Wizzup | (but that was is not my problem) |
| 21:34.56 | Wizzup | Vajb: hmmm |
| 21:35.01 | Wizzup | It said no cellular network here |
| 21:35.29 | Vajb | usually here it says that it is out of reach |
| 21:36.21 | Wizzup | to clear things up |
| 21:36.32 | Wizzup | two sims: sim A and sim B, two phones (n900s): C and D |
| 21:36.36 | Wizzup | A + C = no signal whatsoever |
| 21:36.40 | Wizzup | B + C = fine |
| 21:36.45 | Wizzup | B + D = fine |
| 21:36.51 | Wizzup | testing A + D now |
| 21:37.31 | Wizzup | I think tmobile is just having some massive problems |
| 21:38.27 | Vajb | could be |
| 21:38.41 | Wizzup | Yep: https://www.t-mobile.nl/netwerkstoring |
| 21:38.44 | Wizzup | fuck :) |
| 21:38.46 | Wizzup | wasted time |
| 21:39.02 | Vajb | at least in this area operators are having massive problems after thunder storms |
| 21:39.18 | Vajb | haha |
| 21:40.06 | Vajb | if you ar out of network it must be your own problem since networks don't break :p |
| 21:40.15 | Vajb | are* |
| 21:51.40 | Sicelo | they do :p |
| 21:53.33 | Sicelo | rare of course... once in Swaziland most phones (particularly Nokias) didn't ring their alarms in the morning ... something had happened on the servers to put the network-assigned time on UTC, while Swaziland is UTC+2. |
| 21:54.06 | Sicelo | of course most people didn't really understand what had happened ... took about a week to get fixed |
| 21:54.50 | Vajb | so utc was set wrong? |
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| 21:55.25 | Vajb | my alarm once didn't ring. Was caused by crahed alarmdaemon. |
| 21:55.46 | Vajb | was nice to wake up to my friends door bell ringing |
| 21:56.19 | Sicelo | yes, network time was two hours behind .. happened overnight |
| 21:56.46 | Sicelo | so we had two extra hours of sleep, haha ;) |
| 21:57.02 | Vajb | hmm that would have been very strange problem |
| 21:57.06 | Vajb | haha |
| 21:57.17 | Vajb | like time saving on steroids |
| 22:05.08 | Sicelo | hehe, of course the sun kept its time, haha |
| 22:08.57 | Vajb | well good thing is you had sun. Once i remember taking too long nap during winter time and woke up at 7:30 and didn't know if it was am or pm. because it was it would have been dark either way. So eventually ihad to start my pc to see if i were very late from work or not. |
| 22:10.02 | Vajb | that was time before cell phones had 24h clocks. So i had only old clocks on walls etc |
| 22:21.20 | stryngs | wooooooooooo |
| 22:21.27 | stryngs | ipython for python2.7 |
| 22:21.32 | stryngs | all .deb'd up with no place to go! |
| 22:23.54 | Vajb | go nus? |
| 22:24.00 | Vajb | nuts* |
| 22:25.57 | sixwheeledbeast | there have been plenty of if-fone clock issues in the past, IIRC most of Australia had an extra hour in bed due to a bug in the clock. Network server issues do happen, they happen a lot more than you think. |
| 22:27.26 | Vajb | hmm can't recall one here in finland |
| 22:27.50 | Vajb | my problem was just alarmdaemon dying |
| 22:29.38 | Vajb | hmm, but is it smart for smartphone to switch time one hour all of a sudden... |
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| 22:40.38 | sixwheeledbeast | Not just time related either |
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| 22:54.13 | Sicelo | if you enable phone to update time automatically .. then yes, can't blame the phone haha. after all, all time updates, whether via cell or NTP simply depend on trust ... |
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