| 00:37.15 | Oksana | Okay, why don't people ever take a look at tags on TMO? As only one person, I have ability to add only two tags to a thread. And when there is a thread where people buy and sell Neo900 vouchers, AND somebody begins to sell N900 in it (if I understand it correctly), I can no longer understand how to tag the thread. |
| 01:04.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | contact the moderators |
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| 03:56.26 | newbieAlert | HEy hi, can someone please tell me how does libnotify works ?? I mean, what daemon listens to notifications sent by libnotify to create appropriate windows and stuff ?? And, also is there any way to check whether the led lights are on or not ?? |
| 03:59.55 | newbieAlert | And is it necessary for any application which sends notifiaction to use Dbus or not ?? |
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| 04:23.37 | newbieAlert | Got it :) :) |
| 04:25.17 | svetlana | hi newbieAlert :) |
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| 04:51.38 | newbieAlert | svetlana: hi |
| 04:51.43 | svetlana | hi :) |
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| 06:15.43 | newbieAlert | Hi all, I am not able to find the list of all the documented Dbus signals . Can anyone please paste the link. |
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| 06:38.40 | bencoh | newbieAlert: not sure we have a list |
| 06:39.54 | newbieAlert | bencoh: I think I did read it like years ago .. :/ Anyways i have found this : http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_dbus |
| 06:42.16 | Maxdamantus | There's also this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 06:43.03 | newbieAlert | Maxdamantus: :D i was just about to paste that too . :D I think this was created from the list. |
| 06:45.18 | newbieAlert | Sorry, THATS the list. phone-contol app is created from THAT list. Got confused with names. |
| 06:51.00 | bencoh | it's far from complete, but ... okay :) |
| 06:55.41 | Oksana | Not sure if it helps, but: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS http://wiki.maemo.org/DbusScripts http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus |
| 06:57.24 | newbieAlert | bencoh: Oksana : Thank You all :) |
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| 17:08.08 | sixwheeledbeast | totalizator: It seems it maybe a last.fm issue and not mafw-lastfm, my other devices have stopped working... |
| 17:16.42 | KotCzarny | what stopped working? |
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| 17:38.20 | sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: My lastfm is being stupid and not scrobbling |
| 17:41.07 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 17:42.27 | APic | Hmmm? |
| 17:43.29 | APic | ,o0(I actually misread âmafw-lastfmâ as âMalwareââ¦) |
| 17:43.34 | APic | Sick Brain⦠|
| 17:43.49 | sixwheeledbeast | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.05 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 17:44.10 | KotCzarny | oscp scrobbler works |
| 17:44.26 | sixwheeledbeast | No tracks I have play on N900 have scrobbled over the last 4 days. |
| 17:44.44 | KotCzarny | swb: use oscp? |
| 17:44.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:45.41 | sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: that's no guarantee to fix the issue plus I prefer OMP |
| 17:45.53 | KotCzarny | well, it works now |
| 17:46.17 | KotCzarny | so even if they changed protocol oscp works |
| 17:46.56 | sixwheeledbeast | But I don't believe it's client side that's broken. |
| 17:49.39 | KotCzarny | i would guess they removed api v1 support |
| 17:49.43 | KotCzarny | oscp uses api v2 |
| 17:49.56 | KotCzarny | but that's just a guess |
| 17:50.13 | KotCzarny | Scrobbling from oscp (multiplatform: pc... |
| 17:50.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:51.34 | KotCzarny | also, you can use oscp-scrobbler in just any app, or even scrobble from irc |
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| 18:31.22 | totalizator | sixwheeledbeast: I can't remember what the file was; maybe ~/.scrobbler-cache or sth; I have tested it yesterday and scrobbling from my N900 is working just fine |
| 18:32.19 | sixwheeledbeast | totalizator: it's looking like something has got stuck at the server end. I have no idea how to fix the lastfm site isn't helpful either |
| 18:32.46 | totalizator | what I remember is that the cache got corrupted once (some wird mp3 file name) and it was constantly trying to submit the tracks, draining my battery like in one day |
| 18:33.22 | totalizator | then why it works for me? |
| 18:34.23 | sixwheeledbeast | totalizator: this is possible, but I also believe something weird is happening too. I have uninstalled mafw-lastfm and reinstalled. |
| 18:35.32 | KotCzarny | yeah, their forum says something about cache retries |
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| 18:41.18 | sixwheeledbeast | ok I removed that file. |
| 18:41.27 | KotCzarny | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHQPX2TJPQc |
| 18:41.30 | KotCzarny | china, 2h ago |
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| 18:46.13 | totalizator | sixwheeledbeast: ~/.osso/mafw-lastfm.queue |
| 18:46.54 | sixwheeledbeast | totalizator: a load of scrobbles have come through :) |
| 18:47.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Something weird must have happened in ~/.scrobbles_cache, gonna check other devices |
| 18:48.07 | totalizator | hah, great, gj :3 |
| 18:48.29 | KotCzarny | another cosmic riddle solved by maemo-community, yay! |
| 18:49.09 | totalizator | hf! |
| 18:49.30 | sixwheeledbeast | totalizator: it was weird because the lastfm site was showing I was scrobbling intermittently from N900 when I was on my Desktop. |
| 18:50.41 | totalizator | lastfm api is a mystery for me; KotCzarny have tinkered with it a bit |
| 18:50.52 | KotCzarny | it's quite simple, really |
| 18:51.01 | KotCzarny | and well documented |
| 18:51.36 | totalizator | I'll continue this topic some other time, gtg |
| 18:51.38 | totalizator | && |
| 18:51.41 | KotCzarny | cya |
| 18:51.55 | sixwheeledbeast | I may have spoke to soon, it's showing N900 scrobbler for my desktop ones again. At least a lump of them have come through anyway |
| 18:52.32 | sixwheeledbeast | Hopefully is just the cache clearing. |
| 18:52.47 | sixwheeledbeast | o/ |
| 18:52.49 | KotCzarny | remove all caches on all active devices |
| 18:52.58 | KotCzarny | scrobbles are rate limited |
| 18:59.33 | sixwheeledbeast | hm, now I have to find the cache files on all other devices |
| 19:05.18 | KotCzarny | but only if you really have listened much |
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| 19:06.54 | KotCzarny | 5. Max daily scrobbles exceeded. |
| 19:08.40 | sixwheeledbeast | Hmm I have killed mafw-lastfm on N900 and my scrobbles are sort of coming through again. |
| 19:11.47 | sixwheeledbeast | I'll diagnose further tomorrow but other devices are working again with mafw-lastfm dead. |
| 19:13.03 | KotCzarny | http://www.last.fm/forum/21713/_/670942 |
| 19:13.04 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 19:13.14 | KotCzarny | 1M scrobbles is the max |
| 19:14.04 | FIQ | wtf is a scrobble |
| 19:14.29 | KotCzarny | fiq: think of it as music listening stats with additional features |
| 19:14.56 | FIQ | hmm ok |
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| 19:28.58 | stryngs | Why do people hate on the n900 so much |
| 19:29.02 | stryngs | I hate it |
| 19:29.05 | KotCzarny | i dont |
| 19:29.09 | stryngs | They all rag on how much it sucks |
| 19:29.10 | KotCzarny | i love my n900 |
| 19:29.12 | stryngs | Me too |
| 19:29.17 | stryngs | I do amazing stuff with my n900 |
| 19:29.21 | KotCzarny | its just they use it wrong |
| 19:29.23 | stryngs | Yet, they think I'm insane cuz its old |
| 19:29.24 | KotCzarny | simple as that |
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| 19:32.15 | KotCzarny | daily scrobble limit is 2000 or so |
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| 19:37.30 | KotCzarny | You will not make more than 5 requests per originating IP address per second, averaged over a 5 minute period, without prior written consent |
| 19:38.48 | KotCzarny | sucks for people without external ip |
| 19:49.05 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: unless they have blocking in place, it's not too bad |
| 19:49.22 | Luke-Jr | two people making 5 requests each from the same IP complies with that, after all ;) |
| 19:50.02 | KotCzarny | sure, but my small isp has ~4000-6000 users |
| 19:50.16 | KotCzarny | and by default they go through same ip |
| 19:50.26 | KotCzarny | unless one buys external one |
| 19:51.25 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: my point is that 6000 requests from one IP is fine legally, as long as each user makes no more than 5 |
| 19:51.35 | KotCzarny | but i agree, they should do blocking per username, not ip |
| 19:51.53 | KotCzarny | you could be right |
| 19:52.46 | KotCzarny | but if swb has more than 5 devices active at the same time, they can hit it when resubmitting cache |
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| 22:19.59 | stryngs | So |
| 22:20.58 | stryngs | ssl warnings |
| 22:21.05 | stryngs | for instance, git |
| 22:21.17 | stryngs | how on the n900, do i tell git what certs to use? |
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| 22:25.54 | bencoh | stryngs: http://git-scm.com/docs/git-config look for http/ssl |
| 22:28.13 | stryngs | bencoh: Let me try to rephrase. On the n900, I can avoid ssl via: GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=true |
| 22:28.18 | stryngs | On my laptop, this is not needed |
| 22:28.25 | stryngs | My laptop git knows where certs are on my laptop |
| 22:28.32 | stryngs | Where and how do i install those certs to maemo? |
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| 22:43.09 | myk42 | Hi, i am considering buying a n900 and just wondered the state of maemo O/S appwise? I know the n900 is unsuported, but i love the design, and would love to run debian, or even nitdroid if that is still available. Looking at the forums on maemo.org, there still seems alot of people involved. |
| 22:43.30 | stryngs | it's popular myk42 |
| 22:43.40 | stryngs | Just gotta figure out what you want to do with it |
| 22:43.47 | stryngs | Me? I hack, so i run my own custom maemo os |
| 22:43.50 | stryngs | others do CSSU |
| 22:43.51 | stryngs | etc.. |
| 22:46.29 | myk42 | basically is the browser, or choice of browsers still up to speed with the web? I mean i would be running facebook and stuff like, plus booking stuff online and shopping etc... plus gmail and youtube. The usual suspects maybe? |
| 22:46.40 | stryngs | haha |
| 22:46.41 | stryngs | No |
| 22:46.45 | myk42 | :) |
| 22:46.49 | myk42 | :( |
| 22:46.54 | myk42 | really? |
| 22:47.07 | stryngs | Not in my opinion |
| 22:47.14 | stryngs | but i dont do many gui things with my n900 |
| 22:47.19 | stryngs | i use it for wifi pentesting and such |
| 22:47.23 | stryngs | mostly command line |
| 22:50.31 | myk42 | i see! Yes this is apealling - having a proper linux-based o/s in your pocket, but i initially, need a smartphone for the usual suspects -to compete with an entry level android phone, which i am considering ( i can get an n900 - my dream phone (still) fro the same price as a new entry level android) |
| 22:51.55 | stryngs | u can get an n900 for around 40 eur |
| 22:53.00 | myk42 | I have one of the last symbian phones made, which is a great phone, but is starting to give me trouble. AN n900 would be a VAST improvement i expect. |
| 23:06.44 | ZetaR | myk42: There is also new development of Maemo in preparation for the release of the Neo900. |
| 23:09.22 | ZetaR | I got my N900 for Christmas last year, and I think its great. It hasn't really felt outdated because underneath the hood it is a standard Linux system and so you can port new packages quite easily. |
| 23:09.26 | myk42 | I'm glad to hear of this. The neo will upgrade the n900 i read, so maemo will run on these upgraded n900s? |
| 23:09.52 | ZetaR | The Neo900 is a new phone, which reuses the case of the N900. |
| 23:10.05 | ZetaR | http://neo900.org/ |
| 23:11.03 | ZetaR | The Neo900 project just deals with hardware, but there is a separate group working on Maemo for the Neo900. |
| 23:11.35 | myk42 | yes i read of the neo900 and thought it a good idea. How far has the development of a maemo release for the neo900 got, andd will it be a standard maemo release or one specifically for the neo900? |
| 23:12.43 | ZetaR | Sorry, I don't really know the answer to those questions. I have been hanging out mainly with the Neo900 hardware devs. I suspect that most of the work will also apply to the N900 though. |
| 23:14.53 | myk42 | I am considering getting an n900 (instead of an entry level android phone) do the maemo apps for facebook, and the browser(s), and youtube and such work at well still? |
| 23:17.47 | ZetaR | I haven't really used Facebook/Youtube on my N900 so I am not sure, but there are a lot of tools for dealing with Youtube in the extras/testing/devel repositories. IDK about Facebook, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. There are also multiple browsers in the repositories that I have been looking at. |
| 23:18.12 | ZetaR | Maybe someone else here would know more about that. |
| 23:18.25 | myk42 | are the browsers up to speed still with the current web? |
| 23:19.30 | Oksana | goes to look up which browsers are available on Maemo 5.... |
| 23:19.31 | ZetaR | AFAIK the default browser has not had recent updates because of proprietary modules. I have not yet tested the other browsers available. |
| 23:19.39 | myk42 | also gps/openstreetmap is about the ony other thing i need atm |
| 23:20.12 | ZetaR | There are a lot of applications for that. Not sure what is standard. |
| 23:20.22 | bencoh | there are quite a few (good) map applications, so I'm pretty sure you'll find one for you |
| 23:20.45 | myk42 | that sounds good |
| 23:20.47 | ZetaR | Oksana: macuco2, leechcraft, links-hacked, lynx, heliummobilebrowser, fennec, dillo, and dooble. I may have missed a few. |
| 23:21.33 | myk42 | that and a text editor plus a 'real' keyboard, about wraps it up :) |
| 23:21.43 | bencoh | regarding web browsing, javascripted web42.0 is just way too bloated even for top-the-shelf desktop computers, so ... |
| 23:21.51 | bencoh | what would you expect ? it's slow on n900 |
| 23:22.24 | bencoh | where, "top-the-shelf", what the fuck ? thx, brain :D |
| 23:22.33 | myk42 | lol |
| 23:22.44 | ZetaR | Heh, I agree with that. I usually just ignore pages that don't load without JS nowadays. |
| 23:22.45 | bencoh | anyway, you get the idea |
| 23:23.00 | myk42 | yeah |
| 23:23.00 | ZetaR | I mean, on my main computer, not just on the N900. |
| 23:23.05 | bencoh | same here |
| 23:23.33 | bencoh | I tell noscript to allow if I really care, but I often just "meh, close" |
| 23:24.53 | ZetaR | When you start using noscript and requestpolicy, it is really apparent how bloated and tangled most websites are. |
| 23:25.05 | bencoh | unfortunately noscript doesn't work properly on microb |
| 23:25.17 | myk42 | no major problems with a site like facebook or say bbc, compared to average desktop? |
| 23:25.26 | bencoh | (even if you do manage to make it run in microb, it's dead slow) |
| 23:25.37 | myk42 | i didn't m4an that comparisson literally |
| 23:26.05 | bencoh | I think there is a fb app (or there used to be), but I'm not sure |
| 23:26.08 | myk42 | i forget the n900 is a phone lol ( and not a new one) kudos to the designers |
| 23:26.32 | bencoh | I dont have any fb account, so ... |
| 23:27.05 | myk42 | bencoh: you are truely enlightened! |
| 23:28.36 | bencoh | probably not the only one here :) |
| 23:28.44 | Oksana | QML Browser (webkit-based): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93508 | What is links-hacked? lynx does not support JS, right? Fennec-XUL-edition is a tad slow | FasterFox for MicroB: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72992 | Update MicroB engine (going slowly): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94107 | Alopex (gecko-based): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89506 |
| 23:29.30 | myk42 | Ohh thanks! :P |
| 23:31.17 | Oksana | I'm personally using MicroB (a tad broken by my attempts at manual optification), Fennec-XUL (a tad slow), and links (does not support https yet) |
| 23:32.35 | Oksana | Ooh, anybody compared links vs elinks vs links-hacked ? |
| 23:33.26 | bencoh | hmm, I thought we didnt have elinks |
| 23:33.40 | bencoh | well, we dont. it's in diablo, not fremantle :) |
| 23:34.12 | bencoh | I'll have to try and build/upload it some day |
| 23:34.39 | Oksana | Okay, I used to have GoldenDict installed... From Diablo repository if I remember correctly |
| 23:34.50 | bencoh | myk42: does m.facebook.com suit your needs ? |
| 23:35.49 | Oksana | Though, I may be confused about GoldenDict, since it's apparently available for Fremantle, too |
| 23:36.06 | bencoh | myk42: for youtube we have cutetube2 :) |
| 23:36.30 | myk42 | m.facebook looks good on my eeepc :D |
| 23:36.51 | bencoh | hahaha |
| 23:37.35 | bencoh | I suspect it would look as good on n900 |
| 23:38.07 | myk42 | what about packages like dictd and dict client? I use these when writing with editor in xterm (all of which i can do on n900 with proper keyboard? ) |
| 23:38.39 | *** join/#maemo lxp (~lxp@unaffiliated/lxp) |
| 23:39.03 | myk42 | cool might start using m.facebook on desktop tbh, :) |
| 23:40.26 | myk42 | i prefer the dict server over any other dictionary, as i can look up many dictionary files on my local system on the command line. |
| 23:40.35 | Oksana | I think that dictd and such are available http://maemo.org/packages/ | webkit-based tear: http://maemo.org/packages/view/tear/ |
| 23:41.17 | Oksana | I use MStarDict, with many local files stored on phone, yes. |
| 23:41.38 | Oksana | Here you go: http://maemo.org/packages/view/dictd/ |
| 23:42.38 | ZetaR | For my list of dictionaries I have: mstardict, qstardict, estardict, and dyct. |
| 23:43.11 | ZetaR | I have been going through extras-devel letter by letter, but I haven't finished yet. |
| 23:44.34 | myk42 | Cool ! |
| 23:46.21 | bencoh | :-) |
| 23:47.27 | bencoh | we also have dooble but I've never tried it yet |
| 23:47.40 | bencoh | (because of the too many deps on -devel) |
| 23:47.46 | bencoh | (iirc) |
| 23:48.02 | bencoh | http://maemo.org/packages/view/dooble/ |
| 23:48.07 | Oksana | prefers gecko, but that's just personal taste |
| 23:50.00 | bencoh | I prefere microb on n900 as well |
| 23:54.30 | myk42 | wow looking at the microb site, it seems good. I have greta problems with a certain site that uses AJAX technology. |
| 23:56.08 | myk42 | ... on my current phone with opera mini browser |