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| 06:34.54 | recharged | I just ran an apt-get dist-upgrade on my N900 and it literally purged everything and killed itself |
| 06:34.59 | recharged | Why? |
| 06:35.38 | kerio | because packaging |
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| 06:36.09 | kerio | also, you should've noticed that something was wrong when it told you "installing one new package, removing 450 packages" |
| 06:36.25 | kerio | and "THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY DANGEROUS TYPE THIS WHOLE PHRASE IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY THAT CRAZY" |
| 06:36.35 | recharged | I never really look at that |
| 06:36.38 | recharged | just accept it |
| 06:36.42 | kerio | good job |
| 06:36.59 | recharged | and when I realized it was purging everything I thought it was funny and let it keep going |
| 06:37.43 | recharged | what could have caused that, though? |
| 06:38.02 | kerio | bad packaging |
| 06:39.03 | recharged | ah well |
| 06:39.24 | recharged | it was just flashed yesterday, so this doesn't bother me too much |
| 06:43.15 | KotCzarny | recharged: never ever use autoremove on n900 |
| 06:43.28 | KotCzarny | or dist-upgrade |
| 06:43.35 | recharged | really? why? |
| 06:43.36 | KotCzarny | and even upgrade is dangerous |
| 06:43.41 | KotCzarny | because nokia |
| 06:44.02 | recharged | I've never had a problem with it before this |
| 06:44.10 | KotCzarny | on n900? |
| 06:44.15 | recharged | yes |
| 06:44.46 | recharged | in fact, it works better than ham and fam for me |
| 06:44.46 | kerio | autoremove can be fixed manually |
| 06:44.54 | KotCzarny | most likely some package sucked something that conflicted with some system package, which in turn remove everything systemish |
| 06:45.05 | kerio | KotCzarny: indeed |
| 06:45.35 | KotCzarny | and yes, when used cautiously, apt is much better |
| 06:45.55 | KotCzarny | but it prints what it's gonna do for a reason |
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| 06:49.05 | KotCzarny | still, when doing system upgrades, you should use speedyham (or ham) |
| 06:49.22 | recharged | I normally read it, but it said that there were 57 upgrades available so I assumed they were just upgrades |
| 06:49.33 | recharged | I'll use one of them for now on |
| 06:49.41 | KotCzarny | ~speedyham |
| 06:49.41 | infobot | rumour has it, speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 06:49.45 | KotCzarny | ~fam |
| 06:49.45 | infobot | hmm... fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam |
| 06:50.06 | KotCzarny | speedyham is available in cssu though, so: |
| 06:50.08 | KotCzarny | ~cssu |
| 06:50.08 | infobot | cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
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| 10:49.28 | sixwheeledbeast | something will have conflicted with the metapackage ball that is maemo. |
| 10:49.46 | sixwheeledbeast | ~hamvsfam |
| 10:49.46 | infobot | [hamvsfam] https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 |
| 11:17.33 | Vajb | hmm has speedyham changed lately? Because last i tried it nearly broke my system. |
| 11:18.12 | Vajb | install failed in ham and with apt it wanted to remove way too much stuff |
| 11:18.31 | KotCzarny | install of what and from which repo? |
| 11:18.49 | freemangordon_ | Vajb: "speedyham" is supposed to be a part of CSSU |
| 11:19.01 | freemangordon_ | it was never meant to be instgalled as a single package |
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| 11:19.31 | Vajb | is it part of it already? |
| 11:19.40 | KotCzarny | i think cssu installation should be done via installing speedyham |
| 11:19.42 | Vajb | i have cssu-testing |
| 11:19.42 | freemangordon_ | yes, afaik |
| 11:19.51 | freemangordon_ | lemme check |
| 11:20.05 | Vajb | k maybe it wasn't when i tried |
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| 11:20.17 | Vajb | i had cssu-stable back then |
| 11:20.39 | Vajb | and i recall installing atleast one cssu update after that |
| 11:20.58 | Vajb | so it is possible |
| 11:22.08 | freemangordon_ | hmm, no, it is still not in cssu-testing |
| 11:23.17 | freemangordon_ | oh, it is |
| 11:23.26 | freemangordon_ | hildon-application-manager (1:2.2.73-2) unstable; urgency=low |
| 11:23.50 | freemangordon_ | Vajb: ^^^ |
| 11:27.56 | Vajb | oh |
| 11:28.21 | Vajb | hmm lemme check which version i have |
| 11:32.03 | Vajb | yup |
| 11:32.11 | Vajb | that's what i have now |
| 11:34.14 | bencoh | I have a hand-picked speedyHAM on cssu-stable here, it seems to be working |
| 11:34.21 | bencoh | (cant say I use it much though) |
| 11:35.36 | bencoh | (s/seems/seemed/ since I haven't actually really used it for a few months ... just to try) |
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| 11:36.09 | freemangordon_ | bencoh: does cssu-stable includes upgraded glib needed by SHAM? |
| 11:36.33 | sixwheeledbeast | Possibly cssu-devel enabled? there have been some changes there recently. I doubt stable has new glib |
| 11:36.54 | freemangordon_ | why nodt, it's been in -testing for quite a long time |
| 11:36.54 | bencoh | libglib2.0-0 1.4.2+0m5 here |
| 11:36.58 | freemangordon_ | *not |
| 11:37.31 | bencoh | freemangordon_: by "needed", do you mean "missing symbols" or bug fix ? |
| 11:37.44 | Hxor | hello anyone here using nokia n900 |
| 11:37.46 | freemangordon_ | bencoh: debian dependencies :) |
| 11:37.49 | bencoh | oh |
| 11:37.58 | sixwheeledbeast | Hxor: eh yeah.. |
| 11:37.58 | freemangordon_ | Hxor: sure |
| 11:38.14 | bencoh | Hxor: of course :) |
| 11:38.37 | Hxor | hey :) im new to it very fun |
| 11:38.50 | freemangordon_ | bencoh: I guess it depends on libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0), so I wonder how did you manage to install it |
| 11:39.02 | freemangordon_ | unless you compiled it from the source ofc |
| 11:39.39 | Hxor | i think you can get libglib2 as amerl.deb package |
| 11:40.25 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: maybe he enabled cssu repo |
| 11:40.50 | bencoh | freemangordon_: dpkg-deb -I says >= 2.20.0 here and I cant find the package on my build box so I guess I didnt build it |
| 11:41.21 | freemangordon_ | and what do you have on the device? |
| 11:41.29 | freemangordon_ | libglib version that is |
| 11:41.33 | bencoh | err, strike the 1.4.2 thing, that was libisi-glib, silly display |
| 11:41.43 | bencoh | libglib is 2.20.3-1maemo5+0m5 |
| 11:41.52 | freemangordon_ | hmm, weird |
| 11:42.43 | bencoh | looks like it's the stock version |
| 11:42.51 | bencoh | (according to maemo.org/packages) |
| 11:43.10 | Hxor | is anyone able to download gits using git clone on n900 |
| 11:44.57 | freemangordon_ | bencoh: hmm, yeah, seems somehow it does not depend on newer libglib. I wonder why DocScrutinizer05 had such dependency problems |
| 11:45.17 | bencoh | freemangordon_: cssu-devel I guess |
| 11:45.58 | bencoh | (hand-picking from it, I mean) |
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| 11:56.37 | Vajb | i don't have libglib in my system |
| 11:56.51 | bencoh | wait, what ? |
| 11:57.13 | bencoh | no glib -> no gtk -> no hildon, are you running maemo ? :) |
| 11:57.17 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.17 | Vajb | W: Unable to locate package libglib |
| 11:57.30 | bencoh | Vajb: dpkg -l |grep libglib |
| 11:57.58 | Vajb | ah different string for that |
| 11:58.58 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.59 | Vajb | ii libglib2.0-0 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0 The GLib library of C routines |
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| 15:43.29 | Wizzup | finally has streaming to his n900 working decently |
| 15:43.42 | Wizzup | I'm managing 44100, 2 channels over wifi |
| 15:43.45 | Wizzup | pretty much realtime :) |
| 15:43.58 | KotCzarny | wav? |
| 15:44.02 | KotCzarny | or lossy? |
| 15:44.04 | Wizzup | pulseaudio, so wav |
| 15:44.09 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 15:44.18 | KotCzarny | you know you would be better with ANY compression? |
| 15:44.34 | Wizzup | I know that all other solutions are mostly non existent |
| 15:44.35 | KotCzarny | n900's wifi is very bandwidth limited |
| 15:44.44 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: It's playing as we speak, stable, for minutes |
| 15:45.00 | Wizzup | with a very good response time (200ms) |
| 15:45.23 | KotCzarny | sure, but i bet there are shoutcast and ogg solutions to stream close-to-realtime |
| 15:45.30 | Wizzup | All solutions I tried with sox,arecord/aplay,ssh,other compression had 8s+ latency |
| 15:45.36 | Wizzup | And this just works |
| 15:45.50 | Wizzup | So unless you're going to tell me I am burning through the wifi chip :) |
| 15:45.58 | Wizzup | (alt. was to use usbnet) |
| 15:46.25 | Wizzup | not only that, but this is mostly simple. |
| 15:47.42 | KotCzarny | wizzup: nas? |
| 15:48.10 | Wizzup | What? |
| 15:48.16 | KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Audio_System |
| 15:48.26 | Wizzup | So it's liked network attached STORAGE |
| 15:50.42 | KotCzarny | but you are right in a way that it will go to pa anyway |
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| 15:53.21 | KotCzarny | http://www.webrtc.org/faq |
| 15:53.25 | KotCzarny | another solution |
| 15:54.08 | Wizzup | How is this the best solution to stream from my laptop to the n900 though? |
| 15:54.17 | Wizzup | Like I said, It Just Works over wifi |
| 15:54.30 | Wizzup | and if speed or latency really was an issue, I'd use usbnet to the n900 |
| 15:55.32 | KotCzarny | in short, any internet-phone app would do |
| 15:55.47 | Wizzup | Except that none of them have pulseaudio and then inherent all the latency problems. |
| 15:55.57 | Wizzup | I really wonder if you understand all the things that pulseaudio does |
| 15:56.07 | Wizzup | It's not just "dump audio somewhere" |
| 15:56.17 | Wizzup | It calculates latency, adjusts for it, syncs, etc, etc. |
| 15:56.27 | KotCzarny | and eats cpu needlessly |
| 15:56.34 | Wizzup | about 7%. |
| 15:56.40 | Wizzup | with the cpu downclocked |
| 15:56.44 | KotCzarny | if you understand any net-phone app does syncs too |
| 15:56.46 | Wizzup | and the n900 attached to power. |
| 15:57.05 | Wizzup | I have about 8 n900s. Why would I not use them? |
| 15:57.17 | Wizzup | You're really desperately trying to find a solution to a problem I don't have |
| 15:57.26 | KotCzarny | ok, no problem |
| 16:04.18 | Sicelo | Wizzup: perhaps you can share your setup for us to use as well :) |
| 16:05.35 | Wizzup | I will |
| 16:06.43 | Sicelo | cool. thanks |
| 16:14.16 | Sicelo | must also find a place to drop the updated script derived from bq27200.sh for those N900 with bme-replacement. |
| 16:14.28 | Sicelo | for me bnf has too little info |
| 16:21.31 | KotCzarny | sicelo: your personal wiki page? |
| 16:23.01 | Sicelo | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1478682&postcount=1 |
| 16:23.12 | Sicelo | just uploaded to tmo :) |
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| 16:36.38 | bencoh | a properply configured audio encoder will give you *far* less than 8s latency |
| 16:36.49 | bencoh | the issue is with buffering |
| 16:37.33 | KotCzarny | and there are close-to-realtime codecs too |
| 16:37.39 | bencoh | at previous $job I used to broadcast audio+video(fullhd) streams with a ~100ms latency |
| 16:38.20 | bencoh | (we could go down 80ms but had to spend a frame in the video decoder and some time in the mux buffer) |
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| 17:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Wizzup> It calculates latency, adjusts for it)) to achieve what? |
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| 17:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: I'll happily host such script on maemo.cloud-7.de |
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| 17:36.37 | KotCzarny | doc, who owns/programs infobot? |
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| 17:41.26 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: great. it's already on the post above. only mod was to change the i2cget lines to extract the info from /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/registers |
| 17:41.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: |
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| 17:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~owner |
| 17:41.35 | infobot | TimRiker is my owner |
| 17:41.41 | KotCzarny | ~timriker |
| 17:41.42 | infobot | rumour has it, timriker is a noob who does c/p |
| 17:41.53 | KotCzarny | - timriker: No such nick/channel |
| 17:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo timriker |
| 17:42.00 | infobot | timriker -- created by trolll <bc26ade0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.38.173.224> at Thu Aug 19 23:35:52 2010 (1810 days); it has been requested 68 times, last by KotCzarny, 19s ago. |
| 17:42.21 | KotCzarny | 1810 days? |
| 17:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 17:43.11 | KotCzarny | ~seen timriker |
| 17:43.17 | infobot | timriker <~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #infobot, 2d 1h 58m 34s ago, saying: 'bot didn't clean up it's .pid file and would not restart. not sure why that happened. fixed.'. |
| 17:43.56 | KotCzarny | ~infobot |
| 17:43.56 | infobot | it has been said that infobot is A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command! |
| 17:44.14 | KotCzarny | is infobot inherent to maemo community or freenode? |
| 17:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither |
| 17:51.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chaninfo |
| 17:51.07 | infobot | 123/123 channels, 4737 users, 3598 unique: #debian/1662, #kde/454, #gsoc/323, #asterisk/206, #maemo/188, #oe/147, #wowuidev/141, #wowace/97, #cubieboard/89, #utah/82, #neo900/79, #harmattan/72, #meego/60, #wowhead/59, #openmoko/57, #qi-hardware/54, #asterisk-dev/53, #bzflag/51, #openmoko-cdevel/50, #maemo-ssu/48, #webos-internals/47, #arm-netbook/44, #curseforge/42, #elinux/38, #uphpu/29, #slug/26, #debianppc/25, #sc2mapster/23, #gllug/22, ... |
| 17:51.20 | KotCzarny | not bad |
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