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15:44.44*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet
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16:40.05Luke-JrPali: anyway, ACL/xattr should be a simple config change I think - do you need me to do anything for that?
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16:50.14PaliLuke-Jr: I do not know if I will have time to release new kp
16:50.22Luke-Jro
16:50.35Palibut you can prepare patches
16:50.46Paliand I can at least include them into git
16:50.53Paliso they will not disappear
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16:52.24n98220hello i was wondering if anyone could help me
16:52.41Pali~ask
16:52.41infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
16:53.19n98220Okay i freshly flashed my nokia n900 but can't install software all the repos are dead? what do i do?
16:53.36Palinokia ssu and ovi repos are dead
16:53.46PaliExtras repo is up
16:54.28n98220ive diasbled them repos. But when i do extras repo its not working .I.E. apt-get install aircrack-ng   output > wireless-tools required?
16:54.32Paliand this reminds me... merlin1991: old nokia ssu repo must be cloned into Extras ASAP!
16:55.20n98220Same goes for kismet output > libprc3 required > apt-get install libprc3 > unable to install
16:55.23Palin98220: if you are missing some packages you need to until them manually until merlin1991 do above job ^^^
16:55.49n98220Pali how do i do this im pretty new to the n900 scene
16:56.04Palin98220: just like on other debian systems
16:56.17Palidownload them and then with dpkg -i
16:56.29n98220Pali never used debian before allways use arch
16:56.56Palidownload missing package and via xterm under root call dpkg -i package.deb
16:57.08Palisome packages can be found in SDK repo: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/
16:57.10n98220Pali Okay where are the links the the .deb packages
16:57.20Pali~repo
16:57.21infobotThe webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications
16:57.33Paliwrong links
16:57.47n98220hmm
16:58.17Palihttps://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#Mirrors_of_standard_Nokia_repos_.28using_Application_manager.29
16:58.27n98220thank you :)
16:58.32Palihere are mirrors of original repos
16:58.39Paliso maybe no need for manual work :-)
16:59.23n98220Thank you :) so i can delete all my orginal repos and add these via package manager?
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17:03.39SiceloDocScrutinizer05: how does the N9 use the ID pin on USB? i've got crazy situation here .. the port I bought for N9 has all the pins in opposite direction to the original pin :(
17:04.52DocScrutinizer05sorry, no info on that right now
17:05.18DocScrutinizer05also I don't think I understand what you say
17:05.30DocScrutinizer05opposite direction?
17:05.37n98220Pali just put them repos in but they fail?
17:05.41Sicelo+ is where there is -
17:05.42Sicelo:(
17:05.55Siceloso i guess either D+ or D- is where there is ID
17:07.29DocScrutinizer05that's pretty odd, and you'll kill stuff with that adapter
17:08.02Sicelogot the connector from RS components ... http://za.rs-online.com/web/p/micro-usb-connectors/8135766/
17:08.03Luke-JrPali: don't really know how to prepare patches for config changes..
17:08.49n98220my nokia says that the packages are broken and i get caution sign
17:08.52Siceloits really crazy
17:12.08bencohn98220: if it's just a warning about an expired key you can ignore it
17:12.14Palin98220: its not possible to delete original repos
17:12.52PaliLuke-Jr: kp is quilt based
17:12.52n98220yeah but it wont work when i open package manager no software loads that's the thing.
17:13.12Paliso diff against rx51_defconfig
17:13.46n98220basically got no software loading
17:14.26Paliyou need to wait
17:14.30PaliHAM is slooooooow
17:14.43Pali10 minutes to wait untile update
17:15.59n98220there is no update thats what im saying all repos are broken just says no update
17:19.02n98220i get this error  Applications list partially refreshed some catolgues unavailable check detials
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17:36.05bencohn98220: are you familiar with te terminal ?
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18:29.00n980008never mind sorted it :p
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18:49.20infobotrumour has it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
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19:13.26DocScrutinizer05Pali: use speedyHAM
19:13.40PaliI know, already on cssu-devel :-)
19:13.41DocScrutinizer0510min -> 20s
19:13.47PaliI have it
19:14.29DocScrutinizer05aah you warned a user about standard HAM
19:14.35DocScrutinizer05~ham
19:14.35infobotrumour has it, ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham
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21:52.55DocScrutinizer05hmm, ~canaima@ sounds familiar
21:58.45SiceloDocScrutinizer05: usb blues .. N900 .. when connecting to PC, no USB prompt appears. when connecting wall charger, /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger is 1
22:00.01Siceloany suggestions?
22:01.48DocScrutinizer05hmmm
22:03.04Siceloor bad joint?
22:03.17DocScrutinizer05yes, check your USB cable, use a known-good USB port on PC, on PC tail -f /var/log/messages (or dmesg) to see if N900 shows up enumerating there when connecting N900 to PC USB *when powered down*
22:03.50Sicelo2 different USB cables, which work 100% on 2nd N900
22:05.49DocScrutinizer05do what I suggested, when the N900 doesn't enumerate in syslog (check against 2nd known good N900 if feasible), then there's a hw defect
22:06.26DocScrutinizer05when it shows up in syslog as correctly enumerating, you got a sw problem
22:06.45DocScrutinizer05or a bad USB cable that corrupts data
22:07.04Siceloswitched off N900 ... http://paste.debian.net/288508/
22:07.20DocScrutinizer05PC needs to be linux to have a syslog - if that wasn't obvious ;-)
22:08.06DocScrutinizer05Aug  3 00:04:58 whitehouse kernel: [370060.545566] usb 1-6: New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0105
22:08.13DocScrutinizer05your hardware is perfectly fine
22:09.54DocScrutinizer05so, simplest fix: reflash
22:10.07DocScrutinizer05...since your problem is in software
22:10.26DocScrutinizer05or find and squash the culprit
22:10.35Siceloanything i could look at/for .. wish to avoid reflash, haha
22:11.23DocScrutinizer05dunno, maybe ask pali or freemangordon, I'm actually not that familar anymore with that detail of how USB in maemo works
22:11.48DocScrutinizer05there are some scripts that get executed. And I think Pali fixed a few of them in CSSU
22:11.55Siceloi'll look on tmo .. something about the USB menu ... not sure what bring it up
22:11.57Siceloyeah
22:13.07Sicelolet me test USB host
22:15.38Sicelocrazy N900 ... i almost fried my port .. "fixed" the port 2 times :(
22:15.42SiceloUSB host works fine
22:17.11Siceloplaying a video from USB right now. so definitely it's a Maemo problem. at least I know I fixed the device correctly then :)
22:17.22Sicelo2 x N900 resurrected.
22:17.38Sicelothe N9 .. i need a new port, just dunno where i can get it
22:18.51DocScrutinizer05did you ask about the swapped pins?
22:19.07DocScrutinizer05aah you did
22:19.40DocScrutinizer05that's pretty weird I dunno what's your exact problem. How could pins be swapped on a SMD USB port?
22:20.08DocScrutinizer05maybe you meant the whole port is upside down? then you jave the wrong component
22:20.52Sicelothe whole port is upside down yes. but, shouldn't it be pin-compatible?
22:20.53DocScrutinizer05you need a port with same orientation
22:20.59DocScrutinizer05no
22:21.29Siceloanyway, the N9 is not mine .. so it can wait :)
22:21.55DocScrutinizer05your plug gets twisted a 180°, and thus the pins are lright-to-left instead left2right
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22:22.32Siceloi will check other shops for the right component
22:22.34DocScrutinizer05you need a USB receptacle component that doesn't twist plug orientation
22:23.00Sicelothis was the only one i could find locally (RS Components)
22:23.38DocScrutinizer05what happened to the original receptacle?
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22:25.15Siceloi wish i knew .. the inside was all gone
22:25.23DocScrutinizer05duh!
22:25.44Siceloabuse
22:25.51DocScrutinizer05can't you order a new one at ebay or whatever?
22:26.25DocScrutinizer05finding one locally might turn out to be a quite demanding task or even mission impossible
22:28.32Siceloby the way .. in Maemo the N900 enumerates & disconnects many tmes .. but when off, just once.
22:29.19Sicelostill suspect SW?
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23:15.58xN9xhey im getting errors while installing packages via dpkg -i
23:16.37xN9xdpkg: error processing obex-data-server_0.4.6-0ubuntu1_armel.deb (--install):
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23:18.07xN9xanyone got any ideas
23:19.00Sicelobnt?
23:21.59xN9xbnt?
23:22.29xN9xim new to n900
23:22.53Luke-Jryou realise N900 is dead? :p
23:22.56Luke-Jrfor years now..
23:24.49xN9xyeah but im tryna download amerl debian files from deb packages
23:26.46xN9xso how do iget software then
23:27.58DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: c'mon shut up
23:28.15Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: why? it's true
23:28.26DocScrutinizer05it's absolutely not helpful
23:28.33Luke-Jrbut I'm genuinely curious why someone would start using N900 today. :/
23:28.40DocScrutinizer05and evidently not true either
23:29.02DocScrutinizer05when you're curious you have a strange way to ask
23:29.48xN9xSo i can't do anything with it
23:30.07DocScrutinizer05xN9x: you can get software
23:30.15DocScrutinizer05nevermind Luke-Jr
23:30.31Luke-JrxN9x: debs are not usually compatible between different systems; I don't think Ubuntu debs are likely to ever work on N900 (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
23:30.47xN9xDoscrutinizer05 how lol? been trying for ages am i ment to be downloading via dpkg ?
23:31.22DocScrutinizer05xN9x: you generally are supposed to use HAM
23:31.24DocScrutinizer05~ham
23:31.24infobotfrom memory, ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham
23:31.48DocScrutinizer05you need to fix catalog list since Nokia repos went south
23:31.51xN9xNo i cant use ham lol it don't even load and i get repo errors
23:31.53DocScrutinizer05~repos
23:31.54infobotfrom memory, repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./
23:32.11DocScrutinizer05~repository
23:32.15xN9xso disable all and just add them ?
23:32.17DocScrutinizer05~repositories
23:32.17infobotrepositories are frequently old.
23:32.25DocScrutinizer05damn
23:32.32DocScrutinizer05~maneo-repos
23:32.36Luke-Jrlol infobot
23:32.42DocScrutinizer05~maemo-repos
23:32.43infobotrumour has it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
23:33.29xN9xim trying to download software that is not listed in them repos via debain packages
23:34.16DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#Mirrors_of_standard_Nokia_repos_.28using_Application_manager.29
23:34.34xN9xive tried them before they dont work :/
23:35.35DocScrutinizer05they work for everybody else
23:36.38xN9xhow do i add them
23:36.41DocScrutinizer05but seems you're about to invent a smarter method of handling the situation than what a dozen experts came up with
23:37.04xN9xnot really smart
23:37.18DocScrutinizer05indeed
23:37.46xN9xwhat installing software from debain packages lol?
23:38.16DocScrutinizer05in HAM, open menu and display catalogs. There's an option to edit or add catalogs, and the fields are labeled exactly like in http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#Mirrors_of_standard_Nokia_repos_.28using_Application_manager.29
23:38.43xN9xyeah but when i do that none of the downloads show up :'/
23:40.43DocScrutinizer05it takes like 15 minutes to complete
23:41.14xN9xso sould i just delete all the repos i have and use these?
23:41.17DocScrutinizer05depending on your internet connection maybe even longer
23:41.27xN9xi got fibre optic
23:41.36DocScrutinizer05never delete repos, you can disable them
23:41.43xN9xright okay
23:41.51xN9xthen just update via terminal
23:42.00DocScrutinizer05??
23:42.16DocScrutinizer05you are supposed to use HAM
23:42.22xN9x??'?
23:42.44DocScrutinizer05please read the fine page http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository
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23:42.48xN9xohh okay
23:42.49DocScrutinizer05*completely*
23:44.24xN9xno look ive done all of it lol
23:44.58DocScrutinizer05>>>Power users ***who understand that these packages might still be risky to use*** and are ***able to recover*** from any problems then install and test the packages. When enough testers have given a vote of approval, the packages are again promoted, this time to Extras<<<
23:45.40xN9xadded them all yeah and guess what same stuff.  unable to load listing
23:46.15DocScrutinizer05~question
23:46.15infobotquestion is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
23:46.43xN9xi gave my answer you just didn't read it correctly
23:46.52xN9xquistion*
23:46.56DocScrutinizer05*plonk*
23:47.36xN9xput it simple boots phone -> default packages dont work -> adds all packages via ham -> packages dont work nothing loads no update availbe -_-
23:47.57DocScrutinizer05bin the device
23:48.18DocScrutinizer05it's dead
23:48.30xN9xyou just said n900 aint dead
23:48.47DocScrutinizer05I been mistaken
23:49.08xN9xbins phone -> package manager not working
23:49.22Luke-Jrbetter yet: ship it to DocScrutinizer05 ;)
23:49.31DocScrutinizer05please don't
23:49.39Luke-Jreh? I figured you could use the case
23:49.41xN9xplease:  sudo rm -f /dev/sda
23:50.03DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: customs is a nightmare, and used devices are useless basically
23:50.16Luke-Jrthere are non-used cases out there? :O
23:50.23xN9xehhh flashed the device latest firmware
23:50.35DocScrutinizer05refurbished ones in mint condition, yes
23:50.36xN9xStill aint working.
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23:56.05Ianushey anyonee using n900
23:56.18xN9xHere: <-----
23:56.28Ianus:P
23:56.28DocScrutinizer05Ianus: guess!
23:56.51Ianuswhat peeps using them for ?
23:57.01DocScrutinizer05err what device is it?
23:57.06xN9xATM to wipe my ass with
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23:57.57DocScrutinizer05Ianus: I think it's a phone (and more), and that's what I use it for
23:58.44Luke-JrIanus: I use it for VNC to my PC
23:59.03Ianusis that slow ?
23:59.15Luke-Jryes, because my home ISP is DSL crap
23:59.18Ianuscos of the RAM limitation
23:59.31Luke-JrRAM is only annoying when I try to run Gentoo on it, tbh
23:59.38Ianusahh
23:59.53IanusSee I got RPi as well and when you add a battery they make awesome combination.

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