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| 00:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kabouik: irrelevant, but recommedned is before. You'll need the muarf repos for installation to succeed |
| 00:39.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 00:39.44 | Kabouik | Alright |
| 00:39.58 | Kabouik | But I'm stuck at trying to install cssu-thumb |
| 00:40.17 | Kabouik | It says that libqtm-bearer (and probably other libqtm-xxx too) are conflicting |
| 00:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, well. cssu-thumb is very special and for sure not recommended for somebody to initially set up a working basic system |
| 00:42.55 | Kabouik | Perhaps I have problems with repos though |
| 00:43.10 | Kabouik | muarf mirrors say that keys have expired if I try apt-get upgrade |
| 00:43.15 | Kabouik | And skeyron just fails |
| 00:43.44 | Kabouik | Not sure what I should do to make them work |
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| 00:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | "keys expired" is a warning (ignore it, it been same with original Nokia repos), apt-get upgrade is an absolute NoGo, and skeiron repos are not needed |
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| 01:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | "keys expired" is a warning (ignore it, it been same with original Nokia repos), apt-get upgrade is an absolute NoGo, and skeiron repos are not needed |
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| 01:01.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 01:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, still there |
| 01:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought you left again, juist the moment I repeated the above |
| 01:03.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is _not_ really a standard debia. Packaging is massively different, and thus `apt-get upgrade` is destructive |
| 01:04.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get upgrade *might* be recommended when you have a very specifically and precisely defined particular set of repos enabled |
| 01:05.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly DISabled |
| 01:05.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | an apt-get upgrade with e.g. axtras-devel enabled will most likely fsck up your system in very subtle ways |
| 01:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally maemo upgrades by installing a new version of mp-*-pr package |
| 01:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | everything else is just dependencies of that master metapackage |
| 01:09.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | other dependencies are basically non-supported in core maemo |
| 01:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole cssu-installer magic is just to replace the nokia mp by mp-fremantle-community-pr and same time add the cssu repo to list of repositories |
| 01:14.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly somebody eventually should write a comprehensive exhaustive "howto reflash and keep alive maemo fremantle - and cssu" |
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| 01:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did a tiny initial part by |
| 01:14.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 01:14.55 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 01:15.18 | Kabouik | I'm sorry DocScrutinizer05, my Internet is very unstable tonight |
| 01:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw there's version2 of flash-it-all.sh now, which allows to flash COMBINED only (without touching VANILLA) |
| 01:16.45 | Kabouik | Unfortunately I'm afraid I just did an apt-get upgrade like 15 min ago :/ |
| 01:16.47 | Kabouik | For a reason: |
| 01:17.19 | Kabouik | I launched CSSU-thumb from application after I installed it (so that it does its work), and it failed during the process because my Internet failed again |
| 01:17.34 | Kabouik | And then, when I wanted to launch it again, it said "CSSU already installed" or something like that |
| 01:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | well |
| 01:17.47 | Kabouik | And it wouldn't update anything, despite the previous failure |
| 01:17.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 01:18.00 | Kabouik | So I did an upgrade and everything seemed to go well, but now I'm concerned :/ |
| 01:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you should start anew, get http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, reflash all, fix the nokia repos (muarf), install backupmenu, do a snapshot backup of your freshly installed and basically personalized system, then install cssu-stable (not thumb) |
| 01:21.25 | Kabouik | I thought thumb was stable now, and more efficient |
| 01:21.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | protip: move your fiasco images you already got into the dir where you unpacked http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz before you start flash-it-all.sh |
| 01:22.08 | Kabouik | Do you really think this small upgrade (before I installed anything but rootsh and cssu-thumb) has actually messed my system up? |
| 01:22.36 | Kabouik | The url to your tgz doesn't work by the way |
| 01:22.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | thumb is immanently less "stable" than "normal" maemo, since it fails epically with standard kernels |
| 01:23.20 | Kabouik | I won't use my N900 with standard kernels anyway, I really can't bear the sluggyness without OC |
| 01:24.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, try http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tar.gz |
| 01:24.12 | Kabouik | Better |
| 01:24.37 | Kabouik | I'll save the url for later, I have linux on my laptop at work but not here (well, I have the laptop here, but it's off) |
| 01:25.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no sluggyness without OC. OC is extremely overrated. Sluggishness is caused by short-of-RAM and swap |
| 01:26.08 | Kabouik | But yet I remember I had a beecon with like 4 OC speeds, including a normal one, and I did notice huge improvements with OC |
| 01:26.35 | Luke-Jr | are there any post-2.6.28 kernels that fully support Maemo? (eg, not mainline) |
| 01:26.37 | Kabouik | How is it possible then? (I really trust you, you're the one who probably know the N900 the best, but I'm trying to understand if the OC did something else beneficial) |
| 01:26.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | wich in turn often is caused by installation of a lot of useless poorly designed apps and desktop widgets |
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| 01:27.56 | Kabouik | Now I'm concerned, I don't know if this small and single apt-get upgrade (again, with just rootsh and cssu-thumb installed) has messed up things and if I actually should start from scratch again :| |
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| 01:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | many of which are installed by user to fight sluggishness and then causing exactly the opposite |
| 01:29.18 | Kabouik | It's true that N900 freshly reflashed is rather smooth, but well, I have nothing installed at the moment |
| 01:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you had installed and enabled any of the maemo-extras repos then most likely the upgrade had negative effects, yes |
| 01:29.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you had enabled extras-devel then for sure |
| 01:30.02 | Kabouik | Crap :| |
| 01:30.46 | Kabouik | Setting this repos takes ages everytime I reflash, fff. |
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| 01:32.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might be interested in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs |
| 01:32.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/session-log_enable-catalogs_README.txt |
| 01:34.30 | Kabouik | Could you elaborate which catalogs it enables? I should make a .sh of that, chmod +x it, and then execute it from N900? |
| 01:36.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it saves and restores your current catalog aka repo list |
| 01:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | faster than you could do that via HAM GUI |
| 01:37.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | manually |
| 01:37.28 | Kabouik | Oh! |
| 01:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you however first need to save a list under a name like "all" or "foo" before you can restore it |
| 01:38.24 | Kabouik | So it's like "/etc/enable-catalogs foo", and it saves it, and then to restore them on a freshly reflashed device? |
| 01:38.46 | Kabouik | IroN900:~# enable-catalogs save all |
| 01:38.46 | Kabouik | Ok, got it |
| 01:39.34 | Kabouik | Thanks a lot, will be very useful |
| 01:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | enable-catalogs save foo; #mess-with-catalogs-to-your-liking; enable-catalogs save messedup; enable-catalogs foo #initial foo restored, messedup safed away |
| 01:40.57 | Kabouik | Cool |
| 01:41.29 | Kabouik | And the only catalogs I need after a reflash are muarf (Nokia and Nokia updates), nothing else? CSSU will add catalogs it needs by itself? |
| 01:41.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/d619db872c |
| 01:41.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | err basically yes |
| 01:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | you also might want maemo-extras |
| 01:42.24 | Kabouik | There's a muarf mirror too? I guess the original maemo-extras is dead too |
| 01:42.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo-extras is alive and kicking |
| 01:42.44 | Kabouik | ! |
| 01:43.40 | Kabouik | Ok, and well, two last questions: If I reflash with maemo-flasher (Windows) instead of your script, do I lose any particular feature? It'll decide if I reflash tomorrow at work or tonight here |
| 01:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget apt-get update after switching catalogs list with enable-catalogs ! |
| 01:44.45 | Kabouik | And last question: you really see no advantage into cssu-thumb instead of cssu-stable? Do people actually have issues with thumbs? I feel that I might ultimately install kernelpower at some point anyway, but that probably is only one of many differences |
| 01:44.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | flashing with windows is equivalent to flashing under linux |
| 01:45.08 | Kabouik | Yes but your script might have some DocScrutinizer05's special recipe :P |
| 01:45.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | my script just simplifies finding the fiasco images and doing flashing the right way |
| 01:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's noting really special in it |
| 01:47.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically just a convenience wrapper, with detailed step-by-step instructions |
| 01:48.12 | Kabouik | If I got it well, I just need to flash EMMC, unplug usb, replug, and flash COMBINED, and reboot here. I could do it with the .exe flasher easily if that's just it |
| 01:48.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | you still need to read and understand the basics of flashing in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | the fast way is to flash COMBINED first, then eMMC aka VANILLA (not needed if you already did a few hours before, since no apt-get upgrade will mess up eMMC - usually) |
| 01:50.41 | Kabouik | OK, so just COMBINED then |
| 01:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | without unplugging in between |
| 01:51.04 | Kabouik | There's no in between anymore if just Combined :OP |
| 01:51.06 | Kabouik | :P |
| 01:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 01:51.26 | Kabouik | Shall I add the -R argument at the end? |
| 01:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | please note that last 2 or 3 statements are not the usual 99.9% certainty on my side. I didn't do reflash manually since ages, so there's a certain risk I recall sth wrong |
| 01:52.37 | Kabouik | No worries DocScrutinizer05, I know the risks |
| 01:53.07 | Kabouik | Plus I'll forget about my flashed N900 when you give me this expensive Neo900 I've started to pay :] |
| 01:53.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | the -R means 'reboot' and is relevant only when you continue with reflashing |
| 01:53.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may add -R and watch the device rebooting after flashing COMBINED |
| 01:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | really important is: device MUST NOT reboot (even _start_ to reboot) between flashing COMBINED and flashing VANILLA |
| 01:55.59 | Kabouik | Now that I think about it, I might be well inspired to change /home size first, following your tutorial |
| 01:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you flash COMBINED *after* VANILLA |
| 01:56.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that expanding /home size is done on VANILLA image |
| 01:56.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you need to flash both |
| 01:57.15 | Kabouik | Yep, which means Vanilla, no reboot, Combined, reboot. Right? |
| 01:57.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, as long as flashing vanilla works this way |
| 01:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | in this case NO -R |
| 01:57.57 | Kabouik | Hell, let's start this freaking Linux laptop ;) |
| 01:58.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | see why I started writing and then using this script? ;-) |
| 01:58.41 | Kabouik | :] |
| 02:00.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's actually so damn convenient I never would go for manual flashing again |
| 02:01.06 | Kabouik | Yoru script will flash both Vanilla (which I need to patch first) and combined, right? |
| 02:01.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | again: when you already got fiasco images, place them into the expanded directory, this will save you some time for script downloading them again |
| 02:01.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | the new version2 will ask you if you want to flash VANILLA too |
| 02:01.45 | Kabouik | Yes, it's transfering to the laptop just now, in fact |
| 02:02.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAH! it's not capable to handle patched Vanilla, at least not out of the box |
| 02:03.04 | Kabouik | Question to an experienced user: which size do you advise for /home? Something useful, not too small, not too large. I just can't remember how large I should expect /home to be |
| 02:03.16 | Kabouik | Ah |
| 02:03.26 | Kabouik | I found your limits! |
| 02:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, maybe 4GB? |
| 02:04.00 | Kabouik | Makes me sad, I actually wanted to try your script now! |
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| 02:06.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | no problem |
| 02:06.25 | Kabouik | Well anyway the "sed -e blah blah" command doesn't work properly, I must be missing something |
| 02:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | patch the vanilla fiasco image |
| 02:07.10 | Kabouik | Roughtly translated from the French, it says " sed: -e expression n°1, character 7: command 's' did not finish" |
| 02:07.23 | Kabouik | Ok I think it was just a typo, 1 min |
| 02:08.14 | Kabouik | Yes, indeed |
| 02:08.52 | Kabouik | Vanilla patched successfully for 4096 /home |
| 02:09.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | place it into the directory where flash-all.sh is. Then run the line "md5sum [name-of-YOUR-patched-vanilla] >>md5sums.txt" |
| 02:10.09 | Luke-Jr | blah, last udev with 2.6.28 support is 3 years old.. is anyone maintaining the older udev at all? |
| 02:11.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | then call "flash-it-all.sh RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin [name-of-YOUR-patched-vanilla]" |
| 02:11.30 | Kabouik | Done DocScrutinizer05, will execute the script now |
| 02:11.38 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: any idea if Neo900 would work with Google's Project Fi? |
| 02:11.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno proj Fi |
| 02:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course in above commands you replace [name-of-YOUR-patched-vanilla] by the actual vilename, incl the brackets which are not going to be there in your command |
| 02:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | filename* |
| 02:13.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk, maybe bbl |
| 02:14.26 | Kabouik | Error while loading shared libraries: libsusb-0.1.so.4 |
| 02:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, you need to install that then, it's needed by flasher |
| 02:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | see https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 02:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | search for "libusb-0.1" on the page |
| 02:17.58 | Kabouik | I think I have the x64 version |
| 02:18.22 | Luke-Jr | what is NeoN? just another name for Neo900? |
| 02:19.37 | Luke-Jr | oh, the bare board? |
| 02:19.45 | Luke-Jr | ^ should add to FAQ <.< |
| 02:25.28 | Kabouik | Isn't there an error in the wiki DocScrutinizer05? |
| 02:26.01 | Kabouik | It says to sudo mv libusb-0.1-4_0.1.12-13_i386/lib/* /lib32, and /lib32 doesn't exist. I can create it for sure, but the line after, it says to cd to /usr/lib32, not /lib32 |
| 02:26.21 | Kabouik | /usr/lib32 does not exist either, but I find it strange that both dirs should be created without it to be mentioned in the guide |
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| 02:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I got no debian 64bit system here, so I can't tell anything about this particular detail |
| 02:30.51 | Kabouik | Crap, not sure what to do, I really am a noob with this |
| 02:30.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it's probably correct in wiki, otherwise somebody would have hollered |
| 02:31.12 | Kabouik | The sudo mv libusb-0.1-4_0.1.12-13_i386/lib/* /lib32 command yields an error due to the missing dir |
| 02:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | on the bright side: when you create those dirs, you know you can delete them again and nothing will have taken damage |
| 02:32.44 | Kabouik | Yes but I'm confused with /lib32 and /usr/lib32 |
| 02:33.03 | Kabouik | And don't know if I can remove them at the end when libusb is installed |
| 02:33.42 | Kabouik | I think I should create both, because apparently there is a ln -s done in /usr/lib32, to /lib32 |
| 02:35.28 | Kabouik | I guess more recent distributions just don't have the lib32 dirs |
| 02:35.40 | Kabouik | They were probably there when the wiki was written |
| 02:36.01 | Kabouik | I have lib and lib64 though, no sure if lib is actually the new name of lib32. I created lib32. |
| 02:38.08 | Kabouik | Well, still the same error |
| 02:38.13 | Kabouik | Maybe it requires a reboot |
| 02:48.32 | Kabouik | And of course Windows flasher doesn't support patched vanilla :( |
| 02:50.57 | Kabouik | Ok found it, the Wiki is indeed out of date. /lib32 and /usr/lib32 should be replaced by /lib and /usr/lib |
| 02:53.06 | Kabouik | DocScrutinizer05, for some reason, "Invalid FIASCO subimage (00) |
| 02:53.06 | Kabouik | sorry, flashing patched-4096home-VANILLA.bin (content of eMMC, incl /home/user/) failed with errorcode 0 |
| 02:53.17 | Kabouik | With flash-it-all and updated md5sums.txt |
| 02:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* it's completely irrelevant where the libusb-0.1 is, as long as LD_LIBRARYPATH has the dir where the libusb is in |
| 02:54.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, the patched image is broken? |
| 02:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | try flash-it-all without any parameters first, to make sure it works |
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| 02:55.20 | Kabouik | You mean with default Vanilla? |
| 02:55.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 02:56.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will automatically use default vanilla when not given parameters on invocation |
| 02:59.52 | Kabouik | Worked |
| 03:00.09 | Kabouik | But with the patched Vanilla, I got the above error |
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| 03:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep -a -A15 'name = "internal";' patched-4096home-VANILLA.bin |
| 03:03.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | pastebin result |
| 03:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | or compare to http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#increase_size_of_.2Fhome_-_if_you_like_that |
| 03:04.12 | Kabouik | I tried again after repatching the Vanilla, will tell you after |
| 03:04.47 | Kabouik | In "sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin", should I leave the $, like "$4096", or just "4096"? |
| 03:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | just 4096 |
| 03:05.07 | Kabouik | Alright |
| 03:05.15 | Kabouik | We'll see if it works this time |
| 03:06.12 | Kabouik | Seems better, don't know why exactly. Probably a typo or a corrupt file with tranfers from desktop pc to laptop over wifi |
| 03:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget to yank last line in md5sums.txt, the one you ">>"-added |
| 03:06.51 | Kabouik | Yep, done it |
| 03:07.00 | Kabouik | It seems to have worked this time, will boot the N900 now |
| 03:07.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't have two lines with same filename in md5sums.txt |
| 03:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 03:08.16 | Kabouik | Still don't know if I want cssu thumb or stable :D |
| 03:08.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | you want stable. you can go for thumb later |
| 03:08.40 | Kabouik | thumb is supposedly faster and lighter, but unstable? |
| 03:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's more complicated to handle |
| 03:08.58 | Kabouik | Ok, it won't require heavy work like flash and reinstall everything |
| 03:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's 'easy' |
| 03:09.31 | Kabouik | And if I want kernelpower all along cssu-stable and backupmenu, no hassle? |
| 03:09.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no hassle |
| 03:09.49 | Kabouik | Perfect |
| 03:10.14 | Luke-Jr | where is pali these days? :/ |
| 03:10.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | temporarily offline? |
| 03:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen pali |
| 03:10.45 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 32m 2s ago, saying: 'from year 2011'. |
| 03:10.45 | Kabouik | He was there earlier tonight |
| 03:10.56 | Kabouik | Heck, 5h30 ago already u_u |
| 03:11.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kabouik: please do a "df -h" on device |
| 03:12.08 | Kabouik | /home/opt 3.9 |
| 03:12.12 | Kabouik | Sounds good |
| 03:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 03:12.22 | Kabouik | :] |
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| 03:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | how do you like the flash-it-all.sh script? |
| 03:17.05 | Kabouik | Not bad. :] |
| 03:17.11 | Kabouik | And thanks a lot for your help too! |
| 03:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) |
| 03:17.27 | Kabouik | Currently adding repos, then I'll save them using your other script |
| 03:17.38 | Kabouik | and do a backupmenu backup |
| 03:18.07 | Kabouik | I just remember that backupmenu and kernelpower are not necessarily good friends without appropriate manipulation, so I'd better be careful with that |
| 03:18.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should safe the original state of repo list too |
| 03:18.36 | Kabouik | You think so? Nokia and Nokia updates are dead anyway |
| 03:18.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, backupmenu and KP are orthogonal |
| 03:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, indeed |
| 03:19.10 | Kabouik | There were some adapted kp-images if I remember well |
| 03:19.15 | Kabouik | like uboot and everything |
| 03:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | not afaik |
| 03:19.27 | Kabouik | or multiboot, it's very far |
| 03:19.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot and kernel are entagled. backupmenu however is a mere userland app |
| 03:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and steer clear of multiboot! |
| 03:20.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's BAD[TM] |
| 03:21.15 | Kabouik | It wears out emmc, something like that, right? |
| 03:21.40 | Kabouik | There was an alternate version of backupmenu too, to be compatible with both types of kp |
| 03:21.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | NAND, yeah. But not only that. It's screwed |
| 03:22.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, backupmenu is unrelated to kernel |
| 03:22.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | except maybe for battery charging |
| 03:22.52 | Kabouik | Ok so I have maemo.org, maemo-extras, Nokia muarf, Nokia updates muarf |
| 03:22.54 | Kabouik | Sounds good |
| 03:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even then, only loosely |
| 03:23.09 | Kabouik | Good then |
| 03:23.44 | stryngs | DocScrutinizer05: Didn't you say, long ago, that ruining emmc would take a billion re-writes? |
| 03:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | for backupmenu you need to enable extras-devel iirc |
| 03:24.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ruuining eMMC takes a lot of writes, yes |
| 03:24.27 | Kabouik | Ah yeah, it was too easy |
| 03:24.57 | stryngs | DocScrutinizer05: k, making sure I haven't missed something =) |
| 03:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it still has dependencies that are not (yet?) satisfied in maemo-extras |
| 03:26.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | the extras-devel version can pull those dependencies from extras-devel and thus should install, I heard |
| 03:26.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe meanwhile that info is obsolete |
| 03:27.21 | Kabouik | I guess I just need to be careful with apt-get upgrade if I enable extras-devel |
| 03:27.29 | Kabouik | And not install crap like speedpatch and batterypatch |
| 03:27.39 | Kabouik | They might be in testing though |
| 03:27.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | NEVER do apt-get upgrade! |
| 03:28.09 | Kabouik | Yes, I know it now :] |
| 03:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk again |
| 03:29.18 | Kabouik | I'd even like to disable apt-get upgrade command if I could |
| 03:29.30 | Kabouik | To make sure I don't do stupid things when drunk ;) |
| 03:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 03:29.30 | infobot | jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 03:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, it only blocks dist-upgrade :-/ |
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| 03:31.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | change "dist-upgrade"|"autoremove") to "upgrade"|"dist-upgrade"|"autoremove") |
| 03:33.20 | Luke-Jr | :| |
| 03:33.27 | Luke-Jr | does that affect aptitude too? |
| 03:33.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I'm not quite sure now |
| 03:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: maemo has weird packaging, there are no proper dependencies in core packages. Everything gets installed via mp-*-pr metapackage |
| 03:35.07 | Kabouik | Thanks, will do that after the backup (chose the very slow compressed option :)), or tomorrow |
| 03:35.16 | Kabouik | It's 5:35 already and I work tomorrow D: |
| 03:35.22 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: so shouldn't those metapackages work? |
| 03:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, they work |
| 03:36.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the missing dependencies in dependencies of metapackage render a normal upgrade potentially flawed and dangerous |
| 03:36.46 | Luke-Jr | so only a problem if you remove standard stuff, right? |
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| 03:38.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | a problem when for example somebody introduces a higer version of libfoobar in maemo-extras-devel which is not working at all, yet gets upgraded when you do a general upgrade |
| 03:39.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had that with libx11dunnowhat iirc |
| 03:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | killed systems |
| 03:40.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | several other stuff sneaking in with less obvious flaws |
| 03:42.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think Qt libs also introduced quite some fun like that |
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| 03:44.42 | Kabouik | Good night folks, I'll continue tomorrow |
| 03:44.50 | Kabouik | It's almost 6 and I work in 3 hours :o |
| 03:45.04 | Kabouik | Thanks a ton DocScrutinizer05, for all that time you spend helping me |
| 03:45.27 | Kabouik | Now work on my Neo900! :O |
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| 09:40.31 | Kabouik_ | Folks, I'm trying to enable USB networking on my N900 to allow SSH over USB (no WiFi available all the time) using this: https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Automatic_configuration_with_Ubuntu_12.04 |
| 09:41.02 | Kabouik_ | I edited /etc/network/interfaces on the N900 |
| 09:41.17 | Kabouik_ | But can't ping it from my Mint 17 x64 computer |
| 09:43.03 | KotCzarny | you dont need to edit anything |
| 09:43.56 | Kabouik_ | Ah |
| 09:44.01 | Kabouik_ | Why this Wiki guide then? :[ |
| 09:44.08 | KotCzarny | just laod the module and ifconfig |
| 09:44.22 | KotCzarny | dont know, worked for me (slackware) |
| 09:44.37 | KotCzarny | maybe people like making their life harder |
| 09:44.52 | Kabouik_ | On Mint's network manager, I see "Nokia N900 Not supported" instead of "Nokia N900 On|Off" |
| 09:45.11 | Kabouik_ | Well I did try to ping the N900 before editing but it wouldn't work |
| 09:46.47 | KotCzarny | make sure ifconfigs are on the same net |
| 09:48.38 | Kabouik_ | I really am lost here |
| 09:49.03 | KotCzarny | 1/ what are ifconfig output for n900 and pc |
| 09:50.08 | Kabouik_ | I have the correct address on the N900, 192.168.2.15, thanks to the edited /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:50.30 | Kabouik_ | But the laptop seems to fail connecting through USB, with this "Unsupported" warning in Network manager |
| 09:51.14 | Kabouik_ | I apparently have no usb0 in ifconfig on the laptop |
| 09:51.15 | KotCzarny | network manager sucks |
| 09:51.21 | KotCzarny | modprobe g_ether ? |
| 09:51.43 | Kabouik_ | On laptop? |
| 09:51.50 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 09:51.52 | Kabouik_ | modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'g_ether': No such device |
| 09:56.31 | Defiant | Kabouik_: can you insert n900 and do ifconfig -a |
| 09:56.39 | Defiant | on your PC |
| 09:57.27 | Kabouik_ | http://hastebin.com/tekeriqihi.css Defiant (N900 set to PC Suite) |
| 09:58.19 | KotCzarny | um, i dont set any usb mode on mine |
| 09:58.33 | Kabouik_ | This is not the MAC address I have on the N900 with ifconfig usb0 |
| 09:58.34 | KotCzarny | but n900 side works if you have ifconfig usb0 |
| 09:59.06 | Defiant | Kabouik_: ok what about executing "ifup usb0" |
| 09:59.24 | Defiant | KotCzarny: my n900 asks me everytime if I want storage or the other thing |
| 09:59.30 | Kabouik_ | I think it was already done Defiant |
| 09:59.41 | KotCzarny | kabouik: modprobe usbnet ? |
| 09:59.41 | Defiant | Kabouik_: the interface is not up |
| 10:00.19 | Kabouik_ | Oh, I did not run ifup usb0 on the laptop, only N900 |
| 10:00.34 | Kabouik_ | I can now ping the N900 |
| 10:00.57 | Kabouik_ | So each time I want to ssh into the N900, I need ifup usb0 on both devices, and then ifdown usb0 when I'm done? Am I right? |
| 10:01.04 | bencoh | most probably network manager doing stuff behind your back |
| 10:01.19 | KotCzarny | well, if you edit /etc/network/interfaces it will go up properly |
| 10:01.24 | Defiant | /etc/udev/rules.d/nokia-n900.rules should do the ifup for you |
| 10:01.43 | KotCzarny | its the pc side that didnt go up auto |
| 10:03.07 | Kabouik_ | I did create a /etc/udev/rules.d/nokia-n900.rules on the laptop with the settings in the guide (though they are for Ubuntu 12.04), but it still didn't work |
| 10:03.17 | Kabouik_ | I edited /etc/network/interfaces too, and restarted the service |
| 10:03.40 | Kabouik_ | Maybe the problem is that the N900's usb0 MAC address changes at each reboot? |
| 10:04.52 | Defiant | or nm interferes.. |
| 10:05.25 | Kabouik_ | The guide does not mention any distrib more recent than Ubuntu 12.04 so I guess some things have changed since then |
| 10:06.03 | bencoh | or no-one bothered editing it |
| 10:06.13 | Defiant | hmm Kabouik_ can you pastebin lsusb -v |
| 10:06.17 | Kabouik_ | Anyway, if will use "ifup usb0" and "ifdown usb0" each time I guess. But ssh root@192.168.2.15 finds the N900, but fails because "host key verification failed" |
| 10:06.32 | Kabouik_ | I have to go to lunch (coworkers are awaiting me), can I get back to you later? |
| 10:06.43 | Defiant | Kabouik_: you probably once at a time had another usb0 on 192.168.2.15 |
| 10:07.00 | Kabouik_ | Ah yes, maybe, my Jolla |
| 10:07.08 | Kabouik_ | Have to go, will be back here |
| 10:07.54 | Sicelo | just assign an IP to that usb0 ... linux won't "remember" old non-connected cards |
| 10:08.25 | Sicelo | the paste shows no IP on usb0 |
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| 10:59.15 | Kabouik_ | Inded Sicelo, but it was before I did ifup usb0 on the laptop |
| 11:01.19 | Sicelo | yeah :) saw later that you got it working |
| 11:02.32 | Kabouik_ | I think I will just stick to using ifup usb0/ifdown usb0 on the laptop prior to sshing my N900, will be enough |
| 11:03.09 | Kabouik_ | But now I need to fix this host key identification problem. My Jolla is using the same IP address and thus /home/user/.ssh/known_hosts says my N900 has a wrong key |
| 11:03.28 | KotCzarny | clear the line that conflixts |
| 11:03.38 | KotCzarny | and start using ssh keys with passwords |
| 11:04.00 | Kabouik_ | Hm, guess I'll have to read some manusl for ssh keys with passwords :o |
| 11:04.31 | KotCzarny | or without passwords, if you dont car |
| 11:04.32 | KotCzarny | e |
| 11:04.51 | Kabouik_ | But is it possible to have both Jolla and N900 using the same ip when sshing? |
| 11:05.03 | bencoh | and just change the IP of either jolla or n900 :) |
| 11:05.04 | KotCzarny | its just that you reused the ip while sshing earlier to different host |
| 11:05.31 | KotCzarny | could be usb network script assigning the same |
| 11:06.03 | Kabouik_ | Will change the ip of the N900 usb0 then |
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| 11:58.45 | Kabouik_ | DocScrutinizer05, could you tell me what I should do to have enable-catalogs.sh recognized as a command? I moved it to /bin, chmod +x, but the command is still unknwon |
| 11:59.17 | KotCzarny | hash -r ? |
| 12:00.20 | Kabouik_ | Still "not found" |
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| 14:23.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | check the shebang |
| 14:23.30 | KotCzarny | btw. did you see the news that simple mms can remotely hack almost any android device? |
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| 14:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | remotely? |
| 14:24.44 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 14:24.51 | KotCzarny | you dont even have to open that mms |
| 14:26.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I guess you still need to plug it in to the device to hack |
| 14:26.40 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 14:26.47 | KotCzarny | all it takes is sending mms |
| 14:26.53 | KotCzarny | no user action required |
| 14:26.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | show it to device by <2m distance? |
| 14:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | argh, MMS |
| 14:27.13 | KotCzarny | nope, via gsm network |
| 14:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty old news that SMS can be used to attack a phone |
| 14:29.41 | KotCzarny | sure, but we are talking about remote control without user interactin |
| 14:29.55 | KotCzarny | hole was discovered >110days ago, no patches from goog |
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| 14:46.50 | kerio | how do you plug a mms into a phone |
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| 15:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I think phones getting killed by SMS without user interaction was demonstrated around CCC2009 or somesuch |
| 15:03.59 | KotCzarny | not killed |
| 15:04.02 | KotCzarny | total control |
| 15:04.09 | KotCzarny | zombies, etc |
| 15:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
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| 15:18.15 | KotCzarny | and its another different hole, which is going to be little star of next blackhat conference |
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| 15:26.53 | merlin1991 | well sms wise apple had some fun with font encoding not long ago where some sms would turn the phone off |
| 15:27.41 | KotCzarny | http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/07/27/android-text-attacks/ |
| 15:28.11 | KotCzarny | this one has power to execute any code |
| 15:29.49 | KotCzarny | and the funniest part, google made a patch, but you know how and when it gets patched? if your phone provider makes an update available to you |
| 15:30.38 | merlin1991 | heh gotta love that article |
| 15:30.39 | merlin1991 | Additional exploits could be âchainedâ, such as those that âescalate privilegesâ, allowing wider access across the phone. Drake said those exploits âare fairly easy to come by on Android, there are quite a few that are publicâ. |
| 15:31.01 | merlin1991 | all the quotation marks around non technical terms :D |
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| 15:40.54 | KotCzarny | oh, well, antivir companies now have legit reason to claim 'use us or else..' |
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| 16:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, aiui MMS tells mobile to "please pull arbitrary content from URL $random and display it" - the only surprise I see in exploits appearing for that is: "what the heck took sooooo long?" |
| 16:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/arbitrary content/arbitrary HTTP content/ |
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| 19:35.32 | Kabouik | I have a key for Sygic maps, but can't find where to download it now that Ovi repo is dead. The only thing I find on Google is a cracked version. Isn't there a legit mirror somewhere? |
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| 19:50.27 | Sicelo | are there even updated maps for it available? |
| 19:51.12 | Kabouik | Probably not since like 2010, but that would still do the job more than an online GPS for me |
| 19:51.22 | Kabouik | (I will still install an online one but need both) |
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| 20:05.46 | Sicelo | there are other 'better' solutions for offline .. modrana i think |
| 20:06.14 | Sicelo | i personally find Ovi good enough, and they are a litte bit newer than 2010, although no longer updated too |
| 20:09.21 | Kabouik | I'm not a big fan of Modrana :( |
| 20:09.34 | bencoh | you can try marble |
| 20:09.39 | Kabouik | Tried already |
| 20:09.54 | Kabouik | I just have a key for Sygic, I find it frustrating that I can only find cracked versions of it |
| 20:09.58 | bencoh | not to your taste either ? |
| 20:10.33 | Kabouik | I have not tried it heavily, I admit I only have driven with Sygic/Waze/Here until now, or Ovi sometimes |
| 20:11.19 | Kabouik | Sygic was the best alternative to Here for offline GPS, in my opinion. And in fact it was the most reliable the last time I had to use my N900 for driving (Waze wouldn't work and Ovi had no offline maps) |
| 20:11.21 | bencoh | sygic wasn't hostes on the nokia OVI repository |
| 20:11.27 | Kabouik | True |
| 20:11.29 | bencoh | did they have there own repo ? |
| 20:11.37 | bencoh | their* |
| 20:11.47 | Kabouik | I don't know, I bought the key with a used N900, I'm not the original buyer |
| 20:11.48 | Sicelo | Ovi has always had offline maps |
| 20:11.56 | Sicelo | *always* |
| 20:17.31 | Kabouik | Then I don't remember why |
| 20:17.39 | L29Ah | did anyone suggest navit yet? |
| 20:17.54 | Kabouik | But I know that when I bought this used N900 with Sygic installed on it, I liked it |
| 20:18.00 | Kabouik | Now I miss not being able to download it :/ |
| 20:18.19 | L29Ah | are you religiously offended by cracks? |
| 20:18.41 | Kabouik | No L29Ah, not at all, but the fact that I have this key, well... |
| 20:18.55 | Kabouik | But maybe the cracked version is just the original with a separate crack, I'll check that |
| 20:19.19 | Sicelo | :) |
| 20:19.23 | L29Ah | will you become happy when you remove your key? :3 |
| 20:22.22 | Kabouik | :< |
| 20:23.05 | Kabouik | I'm just not thrilled by the idea of downloading a .deb file on a website full of cracks, I'm not sure of the version or even if it's really safe |
| 20:24.49 | L29Ah | are you using ~repos |
| 20:24.52 | L29Ah | ? |
| 20:24.59 | Kabouik | Yes, muarf mirrors |
| 20:25.05 | Kabouik | And extras |
| 20:25.12 | L29Ah | it's unsafe and full of trojans |
| 20:25.16 | L29Ah | info 100% |
| 20:26.21 | Kabouik | Well, right, I know, but I am surprised that people are surprised if I prefer a legit version over a cracked one (if it still exists, that's my question) as long as I have a paid key for it! |
| 20:26.35 | Kabouik | I didn't expect I would have to justify :o |
| 20:29.43 | Kabouik | But I get your point L29Ah, no worries, I will probably end up downloading it where I found it |
| 20:34.53 | bencoh | L29Ah: meh :D it's signed by nokia :p |
| 20:36.09 | L29Ah | i didn't find a way to verify the signatures |
| 20:37.01 | bencoh | I dunno whether apt verifies it then says it has expired, or if it just ignores it |
| 20:37.17 | Kabouik | Nokia knows something about trojans, especially Elop. :o |
| 20:37.25 | bencoh | :] |
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| 21:19.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: how about changing file a tiny bit, then you'll see if it fails check |
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| 21:53.19 | Kabouik | http://store.steampowered.com/app/369110/ |
| 21:53.21 | Kabouik | Woops |
| 21:53.25 | Kabouik | Wrong chan, sorry |
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