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| 02:54.07 | jkepler | Hello, Iâm trying to install advancedcaching on my N900. I need to install the missing application package, libxslt1.1 â does anyone know where I could download that package? |
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| 04:23.23 | Luke-Jr | was that actually a bug? don't we need to restart for the charger to actually work? |
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| 08:00.16 | infobot | methinks speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
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| 10:26.30 | proycon | I assume that's the Makefile equivalent? |
| 10:29.44 | proycon | ah no, there's a .pro file too |
| 10:32.06 | proycon | ah, qmake |
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| 19:37.31 | jkepler | Hello, Iâm trying to install advancedcaching on my N900. I need to install the missing application package, libxslt1.1 â does anyone know where I could download that package? |
| 19:44.29 | KotCzarny | jkepler: it looks like its in sdk repo |
| 19:44.49 | KotCzarny | also in extras |
| 19:44.54 | KotCzarny | so just enable extras |
| 19:45.12 | KotCzarny | though its only libxlst1-dev |
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| 19:46.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: (s)he's gone |
| 19:46.36 | KotCzarny | shucks |
| 19:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2015-07-25 Sat 21:37:30] <jkepler> Hello, Iâm trying --- [2015-07-25 Sat 21:40:21] <-- jkepler (~joel@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/jkepler) has left this server |
| 19:47.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ERRYES |
| 19:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | LRN2IRC!!1!1!! |
| 19:47.29 | KotCzarny | life |
| 19:47.43 | KotCzarny | toomanychannelsinonewindow |
| 19:48.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | -EADHS |
| 19:48.26 | KotCzarny | but its weird that extras has only libxslt-dev and not actual lib |
| 19:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm |
| 19:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends on whether that's a linked lib or a .so lib |
| 19:49.34 | KotCzarny | too lazy to check |
| 19:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | too |
| 19:49.56 | KotCzarny | i would simply install deb from sdk repo |
| 19:50.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
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| 19:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~debian jkepler |
| 19:50.26 | infobot | ACTION tells jkepler to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 19:50.55 | KotCzarny | isnt that a bit on the offensive side? |
| 19:51.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 19:51.11 | Pali | there was lot of libraries in Nokia SSU repo |
| 19:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ubuntu jkepler |
| 19:51.12 | infobot | ACTION lovingly explains to jkepler in a way that causes jkepler to weep with gratitude that jkepler must read the fine, friendly manual |
| 19:51.31 | Pali | and all those packages are now missing... |
| 19:51.32 | KotCzarny | ~slackware jkepler |
| 19:51.41 | KotCzarny | bummer |
| 19:51.58 | KotCzarny | though it was slacky way to process |
| 19:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: nobody mirrored that friggin repo? |
| 19:52.40 | Pali | I'm for uploading all those open source packages to maemo extras which were previously in nokia repo |
| 19:52.47 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: I have mirror |
| 19:53.02 | Pali | and I believe other people did it too |
| 19:53.04 | KotCzarny | um, why not just up it to muarf ? |
| 19:53.13 | Pali | https://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror |
| 19:53.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | acki |
| 19:53.26 | Pali | wiki page how to setup mirrors is old |
| 19:53.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it never been meant to nokia repos ;-P |
| 19:53.57 | KotCzarny | instead of extras, just name a repo nokia-ssu ? |
| 19:54.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | though it was pretty easy to find out about the "sekrit key" inb URL |
| 19:54.27 | Pali | problem is that any extras package can depend on package in nokia-ssu repo |
| 19:54.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 19:54.52 | Pali | so I'm for moving all those packages which was in nokia-ssu to maemo extras |
| 19:54.56 | KotCzarny | but it will become unmaintained |
| 19:55.13 | KotCzarny | and people wouldnt be able to overwrite it with extras |
| 19:55.13 | Pali | so maemo extras will not have non existant dependences |
| 19:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: could we get a special category like "heritage" in extras? |
| 19:58.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather 'legacy' |
| 19:59.07 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: we need to put all those packages into repository which is already enabled by users |
| 19:59.14 | Pali | so only normal extras is possible |
| 19:59.45 | Pali | when you enable *only* extras in HAM, you should be able to install any extras package |
| 19:59.55 | Pali | so all dependneces should be in extras, there is no other way |
| 20:00.05 | Pali | before those dependences were also in nokia-ssu |
| 20:01.19 | Pali | and we need to load binary DEB packages, *not* rebuilding them from sources |
| 20:01.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: "normal extras" has categories |
| 20:01.33 | Pali | because we need same md5sums |
| 20:01.45 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: do you mean HAM categories? |
| 20:01.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:02.02 | Pali | HAM categories is just Section of deb package |
| 20:02.17 | Pali | and every package which do not have "user/*" in Section is hidden in HAm |
| 20:02.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the plan |
| 20:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hide them in extras |
| 20:02.43 | Pali | moving package from one repository to another does not change Section |
| 20:02.53 | Pali | for HAM it is still same package |
| 20:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, which section are they now? |
| 20:03.11 | Pali | depends on package |
| 20:03.34 | Pali | but again, "moving package from one repository to another does not change Section" |
| 20:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I understood that |
| 20:03.48 | Pali | so if it was hidden in HAM when nokia-ssu worked |
| 20:04.00 | Pali | it will be hidden after moving to extras too |
| 20:04.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | should work |
| 20:04.34 | KotCzarny | what if someone create package in extras-devel with the same name? |
| 20:04.45 | KotCzarny | *creates |
| 20:05.01 | KotCzarny | or if there is already same name package in -devel |
| 20:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you worst case run into the age old "somebody uploaded a broken new package to extras-devel" issue |
| 20:07.13 | KotCzarny | i mean, could extras-devel be promoted and overshadow extras one? |
| 20:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | extras-devel is NOT supposed to be used for indiscriminate upgrades |
| 20:07.48 | KotCzarny | no, i mean if it goes through promotion |
| 20:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it's tested and considered OK and everything fine |
| 20:08.14 | KotCzarny | works for me then |
| 20:10.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | we already had it a few times that somebody uploaded a lib to devel and promoted it via testing to extras vanilla, and it turned out that lib fux0red everything. Some X11 lib comes to mind |
| 20:11.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | also some Qt stuff |
| 20:12.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually when there's no package (with maintainer) in extras-devel, then we might run into that trouble more frequently when simply injecting a lot of stuff into extras vanilla and ignoring *-testing/devel |
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| 20:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | $random-hacker could upload a package of same name but newer version to extras-devel |
| 20:14.03 | Pali | there is no security in fremantle like in harmattan (aegis) |
| 20:14.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | there however is a rather reasonable QA |
| 20:14.49 | Pali | hm... now when nokia-ssu is down, n9/n950 probably not working anymore |
| 20:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and module responsibility rules based on maintainership |
| 20:14.56 | KotCzarny | and if someone uses n900 then has to know what goes on |
| 20:16.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | with that argument you could say anybody needing SSU packages has to add a repo to list |
| 20:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't want to see everybody with _no_ clue what's going on getting pwnd by rogue or broken packages propagating to his device via extras, to replace core Nokia repo packages |
| 20:17.45 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: spi bus for n900 in upstream kernel was fixed... there was some power management problem |
| 20:17.54 | Pali | it was off before init |
| 20:18.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya |
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| 22:01.22 | stryngs | If I am building pybluez, and it's complaining about mach/memory.h, which directory should I use for the n900? There are a TON under kernel-power-headers and i'm not sure which one to use =( |
| 22:02.08 | Pali | stryngs: kernel-* packages are for kernel |
| 22:02.22 | stryngs | Ok, but my little hack is working so far Pali... |
| 22:02.26 | stryngs | But now It wants mach =/ |
| 22:02.32 | Pali | you should not use kernel* one packages |
| 22:02.35 | stryngs | Oh |
| 22:02.44 | stryngs | Heh, it's the only files I could find |
| 22:02.52 | stryngs | It "seemed" like it was working |
| 22:02.57 | stryngs | I need pybluez for python2.7 |
| 22:03.19 | Pali | search into linux-libc-dev |
| 22:04.52 | stryngs | Pali: No such directory exists on the n900 |
| 22:05.22 | Pali | or package linux-kernel-headers |
| 22:06.29 | stryngs | Yeah, they don't contain mach |
| 22:06.34 | stryngs | nor any of the other packages |
| 22:06.41 | stryngs | I don't even know if this will work proper |
| 22:06.45 | stryngs | and by packages I meant library files |
| 22:07.48 | Pali | no idea then what you need... |
| 22:08.04 | Pali | maybe you are trying to use too new python |
| 22:08.18 | stryngs | Ok, well riddle me this |
| 22:08.35 | stryngs | for: /usr/src/kernel-power-headers/arch/arm |
| 22:08.45 | stryngs | Which mach subdirectory would correspond to the n900? |
| 22:08.50 | Pali | kernel headers used for userspace applications are just in package linux-kernel-headers |
| 22:09.17 | Pali | in kernel-power-headers package are files needed to compile kernel drivers |
| 22:09.24 | Pali | and python is not in kernel |
| 22:09.37 | stryngs | Agreed, 100% |
| 22:09.43 | stryngs | but I need mach/memory.h |
| 22:09.50 | Pali | you are looking at wrong place |
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| 22:09.53 | stryngs | and sometimes, my insane little hacks work. |
| 22:10.05 | Pali | why you need mach/memory.h ? |
| 22:10.10 | stryngs | for pybluez |
| 22:10.35 | stryngs | https://github.com/karulis/pybluez |
| 22:11.54 | stryngs | The maemo package for python-bluez exists Pali, but it's for Python 2.5 |
| 22:11.58 | stryngs | I need it for Python 2.7 |
| 22:16.17 | Pali | mach/memory.h in linux kernel contains just some macros which tells you where physical memory starts and similar |
| 22:16.28 | Pali | really nothing which can be used in userspace |
| 22:16.52 | Pali | so you are really looking at wrong place |
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