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| 00:02.58 | Ponchale | hi |
| 00:03.00 | Ponchale | people |
| 00:03.04 | Ponchale | hi are you? |
| 00:03.32 | Ponchale | someone connected? |
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| 00:22.57 | n6841 | hola |
| 00:34.27 | veikko | ho :) |
| 00:34.42 | Ponchale | hi veikko |
| 00:34.48 | Ponchale | hi are you man? |
| 00:35.07 | Ponchale | a question you are development? |
| 00:35.40 | veikko | I'm only a hacker |
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| 00:37.00 | Ponchale | ok |
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| 03:26.58 | R0b0t1 | What does the nokia flashing tool do? |
| 03:27.01 | R0b0t1 | Anyone reversed it? |
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| 04:46.45 | kerio | ~0xffff |
| 04:46.45 | infobot | 0xffff is probably https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 |
| 04:46.48 | kerio | R0b0t1: ^ |
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| 04:53.54 | R0b0t1 | yas |
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| 07:42.33 | Alphadog | Yesterday my device bricked. Its battery discharged completely, while I was uninstalling custom kernel, no matter charger was plugged. |
| 07:43.53 | Alphadog | I got a new battery, but device cannot start any more. Tried to reflash it completely, without success. |
| 07:45.16 | Alphadog | I only see nokia logo on screen, sometimes with led backlit on, sometimes off. |
| 07:46.15 | bencoh | as long as usb works and you didnt overwrite nolo (bootloader) you should be fine |
| 07:46.32 | joga | before trying to turn it on, recharge it for a while, disconnect charger and then turn it on |
| 07:46.54 | Alphadog | I have reflashed it before, with the same image on the same pc with flasher 3.5, and I'm pretty sure i do things right. |
| 07:48.12 | Alphadog | Already tried to recharge it the whole night, before flashing. The battery seems ok. |
| 07:48.29 | bencoh | is the led solid green ? |
| 07:48.54 | Alphadog | It sometimes flashes white, sometimes solid yellow |
| 07:49.30 | bencoh | solid yellow means the chip is charging it slowly with no software support |
| 07:49.55 | bencoh | which usually means it coulnt boot the linux kernel, either because battery is too low, or because it just cant |
| 07:51.28 | Alphadog | Battery stays about 3,8V loaded with a 300mA load |
| 07:52.24 | bencoh | if your kernel is borked I guess it really cant boot it ... could explain that |
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| 07:53.03 | Alphadog | But why cannot enter the flash mode. |
| 07:54.52 | Alphadog | Is there a way to flash it anyway. I can even unsolder the flash chip, I think it was toshiba, and program it from the outside |
| 07:55.14 | KotCzarny | no, you should be able to flash over usb |
| 07:55.17 | KotCzarny | its pretty resilient |
| 07:55.21 | Alphadog | Eg with gallep5 programmer |
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| 07:55.58 | KotCzarny | 1/ turn off device and disconnect usb, 2/ run flasher and get 'waiting', 3/ connect device without turning it on |
| 07:57.06 | Alphadog | 3rd step while holding u button |
| 07:57.16 | KotCzarny | doesnt matter |
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| 07:58.52 | Alphadog | I have tried it, with u key. Flasher gives info about hw version and then continue waiting for suitable device. |
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| 08:02.51 | KotCzarny | using linux or windows? |
| 08:02.54 | Alphadog | Im pretty sure i do things ok. I have done the same last week, everything was ok. |
| 08:03.02 | Alphadog | Winxp 32 bit |
| 08:03.05 | KotCzarny | try linux |
| 08:04.17 | Alphadog | I tried first last week, but I got error for ab APE algorithm, then get the job done on my old laptop. |
| 08:04.31 | Alphadog | I use debian testing 64bit |
| 08:06.09 | Alphadog | And flasher 3.5 |
| 08:06.38 | Alphadog | From the debian.org repos |
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| 08:09.21 | KotCzarny | as i said, try linux flashing |
| 08:10.09 | Alphadog | ERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages |
| 08:10.30 | Alphadog | But how to resolve this. |
| 08:11.23 | Alphadog | must I download flasher deb package from somewhere else. |
| 08:11.27 | KotCzarny | check if your image is ok |
| 08:11.31 | KotCzarny | ~flasher |
| 08:11.32 | infobot | i heard flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 08:14.05 | Alphadog | My image should be ok. The same I used on my laptop. |
| 08:14.21 | bencoh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75000 ? |
| 08:14.43 | bencoh | are you sure it's flash 3.5 ? |
| 08:14.46 | bencoh | flasher* |
| 08:15.10 | Alphadog | I will try with the jedge version, and tell you later |
| 08:15.38 | KotCzarny | just grab the one from infobot |
| 08:15.39 | Alphadog | Yep, I ve read this already. |
| 08:18.35 | bencoh | the APE error is most likely not related to your device |
| 08:22.03 | Alphadog | As far as Ive read in the net, its some incompability of 32 and 64 linuxes and their libs, but nobody gave solution. |
| 08:22.24 | KotCzarny | run livecd 32bit ? |
| 08:24.48 | bencoh | or try installing 32b libs (multilib install), or run it in a chroot |
| 08:26.10 | bencoh | /32h/32 |
| 08:26.53 | KotCzarny | yeah, if you use flasher designed for harmattan (ie >3.5) it will fail |
| 08:35.02 | Alphadog | I have ubuntu 12.04 32 somewhere, if jedge version fails, I will try it. |
| 08:43.51 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: hey may |
| 08:43.56 | teotwaki | s/may/man/ |
| 08:44.14 | KotCzarny | may flower |
| 08:48.32 | teotwaki | or james |
| 08:49.40 | teotwaki | Nokia doesn't even provide the flasher for n810/n900 anymore? |
| 08:49.56 | KotCzarny | nope, nor images |
| 08:50.02 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 08:50.02 | infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 08:50.12 | teotwaki | who owns maemo.org? |
| 08:50.14 | teotwaki | (the domain) |
| 08:52.54 | bencoh | according to the whoisdb juiceme is the admin contact |
| 08:53.01 | bencoh | and the registrant |
| 08:54.31 | teotwaki | interesting |
| 08:54.44 | teotwaki | Well, thanks Microsoft. You've helped us all. |
| 08:55.27 | KotCzarny | nope, it was pre-microsoft |
| 08:57.19 | teotwaki | KotCzarny: pre-Elop? |
| 08:58.10 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 09:02.24 | teotwaki | ok, my bad MS, then. |
| 09:02.33 | teotwaki | Thanks Nokia board, you've helped us all. |
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| 09:20.06 | KotCzarny | i mean, it was migrated in 2013, but i guess it wasnt on elop's 'do or dont list' |
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| 09:25.02 | Alphadog | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 |
| 09:25.02 | Alphadog | NOLO version 1.4.14 |
| 09:25.02 | Alphadog | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> |
| 09:25.02 | Alphadog | Booting device into flash mode. |
| 09:25.02 | Alphadog | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 09:25.40 | KotCzarny | turn it off, connect usb |
| 09:25.59 | kerio | turn it off, remove battery, connect usb, hold U, put battery in |
| 09:27.39 | Alphadog | Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:27.52 | Alphadog | Using flasher from the first link |
| 09:28.17 | Alphadog | it doesnt get error message about APE algoritm |
| 09:28.36 | Alphadog | I have tried it many times |
| 09:29.55 | Alphadog | with or without pressing U |
| 09:30.07 | KotCzarny | try linux32 ? |
| 09:31.53 | Alphadog | and I don't see such device with lsusb, only my camera, kb ... |
| 09:34.06 | KotCzarny | try without turning it on? |
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| 09:36.43 | Alphadog | yes, I already tried |
| 09:37.53 | Alphadog | I may have forgotten to mention, if I leave the phone, it's in a reboot loop, untill it has battery or is on chanrger |
| 09:39.46 | Alphadog | I can see Nokia logo, but without backlit, in the next moment there is only backlit with black sreen |
| 09:42.41 | Alphadog | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 - I suppose the USB itself is ok by this |
| 09:43.52 | KotCzarny | can you boot rescueos? |
| 09:45.34 | Alphadog | I'm not aware of it. |
| 09:45.44 | Alphadog | Just downloaded the image |
| 09:45.59 | Alphadog | What to do next |
| 09:47.13 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.32 | KotCzarny | it will try to load kernel without flashing (note the -k option) |
| 09:48.47 | Alphadog | just tried with partedmagic 3.5.3 32bit, no luck |
| 09:48.56 | KotCzarny | partedmagic? |
| 09:49.22 | Alphadog | this I found easiest to boot to |
| 09:49.27 | Alphadog | 32bit |
| 09:49.34 | KotCzarny | ahm, some livecd |
| 09:51.22 | KotCzarny | so, let me rehash the scenario, 1/ disconnect and poweroff the device, 2/ run flasher line and wait for 'waiting for' 3/ connect usb without powering on |
| 09:51.27 | KotCzarny | this fails, right? |
| 09:53.32 | Alphadog | yes |
| 09:54.42 | Alphadog | yes |
| 09:55.01 | Alphadog | and it seems my battery drains quite fast |
| 09:55.32 | Alphadog | i think i must recharge it, now phone doesnt start and it led lits solid yellow |
| 09:56.47 | Alphadog | i try all with su privilegs, is this ok |
| 09:58.12 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 10:02.55 | KotCzarny | alphadog, you can try script from |
| 10:02.57 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 10:02.57 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 10:03.04 | KotCzarny | the one names flash-it-all |
| 10:03.20 | KotCzarny | *named |
| 10:04.19 | KotCzarny | also, you might try another computer |
| 10:04.23 | KotCzarny | or cable |
| 10:04.31 | KotCzarny | maybe there is something wrong hardware wise |
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| 10:27.37 | zGrr | hi KotCzarny |
| 10:28.19 | KotCzarny | oink zgrr |
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| 10:57.15 | zGrr | KotCzarny: i might have a time soon to have a look at your brilliant media player. |
| 10:57.28 | zGrr | KotCzarny: it does work on n810, doesn't it? |
| 11:04.06 | Alphadog2 | I will try flashitall later at home, 10x |
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| 11:07.03 | goldkatze | Hi everyone :-) |
| 11:08.06 | goldkatze | I'm looking for a package, cannot find the appropriate repository: syncevolution: Depends: libpcrecpp0 (>= 6.7-1osso1+r1) but it is not installable (virtual package, no candidate) |
| 11:08.25 | goldkatze | Any suggestions? extras, -testing and -devel are enabled. |
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| 11:10.08 | KotCzarny | zgrr: yes, latest is in extras-devel |
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| 11:10.31 | zGrr | fantastisch |
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| 11:34.49 | vectis__ | goldkatze: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/p/pcre3/ |
| 11:35.44 | goldkatze | uh, libpcrecpp0 stored in pcre3 folder?! okay. thank you so much! |
| 11:37.10 | goldkatze | vectis__: Is this part of the SDK repo? Where do I find those for sources.list? I'm rather confused as to why it's not being found by aptitude already as it is right now. |
| 11:37.20 | KotCzarny | debian, ehehe |
| 11:37.23 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 11:37.24 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 11:37.38 | KotCzarny | and yes, its for scratchbox (sdk) |
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| 12:11.11 | bencoh | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libpcre3/ |
| 12:11.17 | bencoh | it should be in SSU as well |
| 12:11.56 | bencoh | (ie the nokia repositories) |
| 12:15.30 | goldkatze | bencoh: Is muarf still the mirror to use for those? Since nokia is gone? |
| 12:17.33 | bencoh | well, it should work |
| 12:18.01 | bencoh | there might be other repositories, and there is no "official" one |
| 12:20.48 | goldkatze | ok, thanks :-) |
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| 14:36.06 | om | ~flashing |
| 14:36.06 | infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
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| 14:44.19 | Alphadog | KotCzarny, I need help :) |
| 14:44.26 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 14:44.29 | KotCzarny | what kind? |
| 14:44.41 | Alphadog | i managed to boot Rescue OS |
| 14:44.45 | Alphadog | :) |
| 14:44.53 | Alphadog | now what should I do |
| 14:44.58 | KotCzarny | good, that was just to check if your flasher/device works |
| 14:45.15 | KotCzarny | now close the rescueos and flash the image from the save env |
| 14:45.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:45.39 | Alphadog | with vanilla image i suppose |
| 14:45.47 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 14:45.47 | infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
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| 14:51.23 | KotCzarny | s/save/same/ |
| 14:59.05 | Alphadog | It works :) |
| 14:59.11 | KotCzarny | woo-hoo? |
| 14:59.22 | KotCzarny | what was the working combination? |
| 14:59.55 | Alphadog | the flasher from the link the bot gave |
| 15:00.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:00.19 | Alphadog | the script flash it all |
| 15:00.54 | Alphadog | and a bl-4j battery from my friend phone |
| 15:01.14 | Alphadog | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:01.28 | KotCzarny | so, it was bad battery that prevented flashing interface showing up? |
| 15:01.34 | Alphadog | from this link I understood that |
| 15:02.04 | Alphadog | on empty battery its impossible to recharge it from this phone |
| 15:02.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:02.18 | Alphadog | yep :) |
| 15:02.58 | KotCzarny | one nice thing nokia did right is that you can hack and reflash till the flash chip dies |
| 15:05.20 | Alphadog | yes, I found in all g results that hard reset is made with flasher, no *# code or menu option in settings |
| 15:05.40 | KotCzarny | because it's just a linux box |
| 15:05.58 | KotCzarny | no # code to reset, just reinstall |
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| 15:07.40 | Alphadog | yes, but it's not a big deal, as far as I know flash chip can stand up at least 10000 write cycles. |
| 15:08.58 | Alphadog | And the chip I saw was Toshiba, so this number should be 100% guaranteed |
| 15:10.23 | Alphadog | the only bad thing is that if your battery is completely dead, you are in a deadlock - you should use 5800 xpress music to recharge it :) |
| 15:10.32 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 15:10.54 | KotCzarny | but its not a big problem usually |
| 15:11.00 | bencoh | or have a second battery |
| 15:11.06 | bencoh | or a power supply |
| 15:11.16 | KotCzarny | or external charger |
| 15:11.41 | Alphadog | But the worst is that I didn't know about this, and I would never think about this |
| 15:11.52 | Alphadog | :) |
| 15:12.08 | KotCzarny | we all thought your battery is charged enough |
| 15:12.39 | Alphadog | I thought so, I tried it with a potentiometer and voltmetter |
| 15:13.09 | Alphadog | i will get an polarcell one :) |
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| 15:16.49 | KotCzarny | also, rtfm |
| 15:16.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:25.51 | Alphadog | now my polarcell is on the way |
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| 15:30.57 | Alphadog | KotCzarny, I owe you a beer, call me if you go to Bulgaria :) |
| 15:31.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:32.52 | KotCzarny | good that it worked |
| 15:34.06 | Alphadog | I also found a brand new touchscreen here in Bulgaria |
| 15:34.55 | Alphadog | for about 15 euro, but I doubt it's OEM, no matter site says "Original Nokia" |
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| 15:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flatbatrecover |
| 15:46.31 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) |
| 15:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bootloop |
| 15:46.42 | infobot | i heard bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
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| 15:54.40 | bencoh | "CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)" thhhat's te important part :) |
| 15:56.48 | KotCzarny | which wasnt, in this particular example |
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| 16:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rootfs |
| 16:00.37 | infobot | rootfs: the content of the storage volume mounted under /, on NAND mtd5 partition. Also called "the system", since it's all the files forming the linux core system (except the kernel itself). Reflash rootfs from COMBINED (see ~flashing). Also see ~bootloop |
| 16:01.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Also see ~bootloop<< is the relevant part |
| 16:02.02 | KotCzarny | is /home/user/.profile rootfs? |
| 16:02.11 | KotCzarny | because it also can cause bootloop |
| 16:02.12 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 16:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's right |
| 16:02.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | but afaik only when booting up, not in ACT_DEAD |
| 16:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might be wrong |
| 16:04.02 | KotCzarny | yes |
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| 16:05.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you could get out of deadlock by simply letting device charge (which is actually what ACT_DEAD is all about) |
| 16:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW a broken profile doesn't cause a real bootloop as mentioned in ~flatbatrecover |
| 16:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it simply causes reboot when trying to boot device to full operational level, and reflashing is the cure to that |
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| 16:38.43 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm, *.m.o down? |
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| 16:39.19 | bencoh | works here |
| 16:39.22 | bencoh | (?) |
| 16:41.36 | KotCzarny | +1 |
| 16:41.40 | KotCzarny | t.m.o works for me |
| 16:43.30 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm not here |
| 16:43.43 | KotCzarny | check if dns resolves |
| 16:47.59 | sixwheeledbeast | isup.me shows down too |
| 16:48.27 | KotCzarny | 10. talk.maemo.org 0.0% 5 18.0 18.2 18.0 19.1 0.0 |
| 16:48.31 | KotCzarny | works fine |
| 16:49.17 | KotCzarny | from both my home and friends isps ranges |
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| 17:08.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | wfm |
| 17:10.13 | xes | CUBE |
| 17:11.12 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: mtr ? |
| 17:11.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi xes, long time no see |
| 17:11.19 | bencoh | (the traceroute tool) |
| 17:12.53 | xes | hi DocScrutinizer05! RL is cruel leaving me without free time ;) |
| 17:13.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | same here, sort of |
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| 17:21.12 | sixwheeledbeast | I'll investigate further later, off out now. Seems odd only m.o is affected. |
| 17:21.53 | KotCzarny | m.o also works |
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| 17:41.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | https? |
| 17:42.09 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 17:42.23 | KotCzarny | SSL cipher: 128-bit TLSv1/SSLv3 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 |
| 17:47.50 | KotCzarny | lol, for https://talk,maemo.org i get connection refused |
| 17:48.37 | KotCzarny | wiki and main work |
| 17:48.52 | KotCzarny | talk works without https |
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| 18:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, even for https://talk.maemo.org |
| 18:24.57 | KotCzarny | i still get conn refused for https://tmo |
| 18:25.15 | KotCzarny | talk about chaos |
| 18:25.57 | KotCzarny | could be that this ip range got blocked for spam tho |
| 18:26.38 | KotCzarny | though for my home connection its also conn ref |
| 18:28.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I still get conn refused even for https://talk.maemo.org |
| 18:29.17 | xes | there is no https on tmo |
| 18:29.46 | KotCzarny | hmm, so passwords go plain? |
| 18:30.13 | Pali | yes, just plain unencrypted passwords |
| 18:30.23 | Pali | which can be easily sniffed |
| 18:30.40 | KotCzarny | fun (since they are used for whole *.maemo.org?) |
| 18:31.04 | Pali | no TMO account is diffetent |
| 18:31.12 | Pali | not SSOed with maemo.org |
| 18:31.15 | KotCzarny | wasnt there a merge? |
| 18:31.23 | Pali | no |
| 18:31.25 | Pali | never |
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| 18:33.28 | Fiorenza | ~flashing |
| 18:33.28 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
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| 19:46.31 | Luke-Jr | what are the symptoms of broken Thumb? |
| 19:46.39 | Luke-Jr | could it be responsible for GCC hanging? |
| 19:53.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, thumb siErr could cause basically all sorts of erratic behavior |
| 19:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | though segv is most likely |
| 19:55.56 | kerio | *most lucky |
| 19:57.55 | freemangordon | SIGILL actually ;) |
| 19:58.09 | KotCzarny | sigbus? |
| 19:58.15 | freemangordon | Luke-Jr: highly unlikely |
| 19:58.20 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: no, SIGILL |
| 19:58.29 | Luke-Jr | hmm |
| 19:58.36 | freemangordon | as istructions are executed with wrong T bit value |
| 19:58.44 | Luke-Jr | it's a repeatable hang of the process, that I can cleanly kill |
| 19:59.01 | freemangordon | it is ARM-compied, ain't? |
| 19:59.04 | Luke-Jr | yes |
| 19:59.13 | xes | all: there is a little update maintenance in progress, if you receive some kind of error accessing x.maemo.org please be patient a minute |
| 19:59.16 | bencoh | isn't there a second sierr which causes cpu not to invalidate cache when it needs to ? |
| 19:59.43 | Luke-Jr | I'm tempted to blame musl and go back to glibc 2.19 until things sanitise |
| 19:59.47 | freemangordon | bencoh: thumb-related? |
| 19:59.57 | bencoh | ARM errata 430973 |
| 20:00.00 | KotCzarny | l29ah had problems with musl |
| 20:00.05 | KotCzarny | and gcc |
| 20:00.07 | KotCzarny | and building |
| 20:00.15 | freemangordon | bencoh: this is the "main" thumb sierr |
| 20:00.22 | Luke-Jr | stabs glibc for dropping <2.6.32 support |
| 20:00.35 | bencoh | freemangordon: the one triggering the SIGILL should be the other one (?) |
| 20:00.39 | freemangordon | yep |
| 20:01.11 | freemangordon | there is another one, something 6xxxxx, which was related to branches |
| 20:01.31 | bencoh | Branch Target Buffer ? that's 430973 :) |
| 20:01.42 | bencoh | 657417 is https://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2009-05/msg00343.html |
| 20:01.57 | freemangordon | exactly |
| 20:02.43 | freemangordon | but both result in SIGILL, because of the wrong context |
| 20:02.46 | bencoh | they're both funny as an external spectator ... I guess they're awful to debug :] |
| 20:02.57 | bencoh | oh, ok |
| 20:03.20 | bencoh | that's even more vicious :] |
| 20:05.21 | KotCzarny | vicious delicious |
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| 20:24.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 20:24.53 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 20:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ slightly updated (option to flash rootfs only) |
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| 21:11.58 | ZetaR | There is a bug with optifying claws-mail-pgp-plugins on the N900. It ends up moving the file to /opt, creating a link to it, and then at some point the original file gets replaced with a circular link to itself. |
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| 21:50.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 21:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | excellent spotting |
| 21:53.59 | ZetaR | It looks like it installs the files to /opt properly, and then in post install replaces them with symbolic links pointing to where it just installed them. It will probably work fine if the post-install optify is removed. |
| 21:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, optifying stuff in /opt is contraproductive |
| 21:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably they ran optify on the build before packaging it, incl the optify hook |
| 21:58.27 | ZetaR | In the post-install it says before the optify function "# Added by maemo-optify, with apologies.", so it looks like it was added after. |
| 21:59.18 | ZetaR | If it was auto-added to a bunch of packages, it should probably include a check to make sure it isn't creating symbolic links for a file which is already getting installed to /opt |
| 22:00.32 | ZetaR | This might not be the only package that is broken this way. |
| 22:00.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if it's auto-added or that's an option you hand to the builder |
| 22:01.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I rather guess the latter |
| 22:01.59 | ZetaR | Your guess is better than mine; I don't really know much about the package install process. |
| 22:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | you prepare some file that has a number of info about author, package name, package icon, description, and prolly also whether to run optify on it or not |
| 22:06.24 | ZetaR | Well, I dissected the package and didn't find anything pertaining to it other than a defined optify function in the "postinst" file. |
| 22:07.08 | ZetaR | Should I contact the maintainer, or does someone here have the ability to fix the package? |
| 22:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly is that file |
| 22:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | only maintainer may fix a package |
| 22:10.32 | ZetaR | I don't see anything in it that mentions /opt or optify, unless you count "Priority: optional". |
| 22:10.39 | ZetaR | Okay. I will send the maintainer an email. |
| 22:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh /debian/rules |
| 22:12.51 | ZetaR | No /debian/rules file in the package. Only ones are the installed files, and control, md5sums, and postinst. |
| 22:14.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, in the package are not instructions how to build the üackage |
| 22:15.54 | KotCzarny | but he wonders how it can be possible that it mangles on install |
| 22:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | starhash-enabler-for assistent-upload.tar.bz2/utar://starhash-enabler_0.1.tar.gz/utar://starhash-enabler/debian/rules |
| 22:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: because it's optified twice, once pre-build and once at install-time |
| 22:21.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | the install-time optification seems to be auto-added by autobuilder to the postinst file, according to instructions given to the autobuilder in one of the files I mentioned above |
| 22:23.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually install-time optification is preferable over build-time optification since it allows easy deoptification on devices that have a different partitioning scheme |
| 22:24.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I guess the main reason been to allow optification of already installed packages from pre-optification (PR1.1) times |
| 22:28.41 | ZetaR | Though, it will make install fail if you don't have much space on /. And you end up writing to the NAND unnecessarily. |
| 22:30.53 | ZetaR | Email sent to maintainer. |
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| 22:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a temporary "fix" rename the on-device optify function that's called in postinst and instead have an empty (only shebang) shellscript named like the optify function |
| 22:33.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | before installing |
| 22:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm doing same with docpurge permanently |
| 22:34.43 | ZetaR | Since there are only a few files, I will probably just move the files to their proper location manually rather than repackaging the deb file. |
| 22:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | who said repackaging? |
| 22:35.45 | ZetaR | I mean editing it as an archive. |
| 22:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody suggested that either |
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| 22:37.33 | ZetaR | I don't understand your suggestion then. Why would I edit postinst if I am not going to use it as a deb file? |
| 22:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is optify literally a function() in postinst, rather than a executable called by postinst? |
| 22:37.54 | ZetaR | It is literally a function(). |
| 22:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, crap |
| 22:38.59 | ZetaR | It is also the only thing in postinst, so I don't really need it. |
| 22:39.13 | gregoa | echo auto >> debian/optify |
| 22:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought it calls sth like /usr/sbin/maemo-optify-lib.sh |
| 22:39.19 | gregoa | (in the source package) |
| 22:40.15 | ZetaR | Nope, it doesn't call anything except standard POSIX stuff. |
| 22:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | gregoa: it double-optifies, rendering the /opt/*/* files as links pointing to themselves |
| 22:45.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | gregoa: so rather rm debian/optify, but prior to upload to autobuilder |
| 22:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess... |
| 22:46.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | or remove the line "echo auto >> debian/optify" from some file |
| 22:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, no idea, I never looked into all that |
| 22:49.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZetaR: anyway then the easiest fix is prolly to extract the files missing in /opt (resp that got replaced by auto referential links) from claws.deb with mc and copy them to where they belong to |
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| 22:51.09 | ZetaR | Right, that is what I am doing now. |
| 22:56.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | (cd "/" && tar cf - "$f") | (cd "/opt/maemo/" && tar xf -); ln -s "/opt/maemo/$f" "/$f" |
| 22:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm |
| 22:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | where $f = $1 |
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| 22:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | in postinst. That's pretty weird, I don't think postinst gets called for each file of a package |
| 22:59.01 | ZetaR | It is a function with no call to it in postinst. |
| 22:59.14 | ZetaR | So it only defines optify() |
| 22:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh even weirder |
| 22:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | so wtf? |
| 22:59.53 | ZetaR | I have no idea. |
| 23:00.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | gregoa: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/claws-mail/claws-mail-pgp-plugins_3.7.3-1maemo4_armel.deb |
| 23:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | gregoa: any idea? |
| 23:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's already "optified" in package: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/07/23/plasma-desktopal1947.png |
| 23:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | who the fuck calls a function optify () {...} in postinstall? |
| 23:13.23 | KotCzarny | clueless people? |
| 23:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 23:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | people can't call functions, programs call functions |
| 23:13.58 | KotCzarny | indirectly |
| 23:14.01 | ZetaR | Lol. |
| 23:14.46 | KotCzarny | also, who asks for person |
| 23:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, dpkg calls postinst I'd guess. But how would dpkg have an idea of a function named optify() ? |
| 23:15.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought dpkg calls postinst as a shellscript and that's it |
| 23:16.07 | ZetaR | "The maemo-optify tool helps developers to prepare Debian packages that use /opt. This tool moves selected files inside the package to locations under /opt, and will symbolically link from the original location to the new place of the file. It is available on gitorious as well as in Extras-devel" From https://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs |
| 23:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 23:16.55 | ZetaR | It says in postinst that optify() : "# Added by maemo-optify, with apologies." |
| 23:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | never thought they patched dpkg to add optify |
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| 23:29.30 | ZetaR | Seems to be working after moving files around. |
| 23:29.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 23:30.11 | ZetaR | I haven't tested it yet, but I will work on that next. |
| 23:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm even more puzzled since the dang function starts with a "if [ -h $f ]" |
| 23:30.33 | ZetaR | You missed a "!". |
| 23:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, meant that |
| 23:30.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it shpouldn't touch the symlinks anyway |
| 23:30.58 | ZetaR | So it only moves it around if it exists and is not a symbolic link. |
| 23:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2015/07/23/plasma-desktopfM1947.png |
| 23:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | so who the heck is ruining that package? |
| 23:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | after installation |
| 23:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | and how? |
| 23:32.49 | KotCzarny | does apt have logging function? |
| 23:35.54 | ZetaR | There is this weird file: "/var/log/maemo-optify-boottime.log" |
| 23:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the function supposed to work on dirs? |
| 23:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | if [ -d "/$f" ] |
| 23:41.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | in package the files are symlinked, not the complete dir |
| 23:41.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2015/07/23/plasma-desktopal1947.png |
| 23:48.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is the root cause of the problem, the devel symlinked the files, then optify rushing over it and copying&symlinking the complete dir |
| 23:49.19 | KotCzarny | so, optify fail? |
| 23:49.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | incl the symlinks in that dir |
| 23:49.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, packager/developer fail |
| 23:50.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or optify actually been added to the package later on, by somebody who had no clue that it's not applicable to that particular package |
| 23:51.02 | KotCzarny | hmm, i think i did the same, but without adding optify |
| 23:51.04 | ZetaR | It sounds like it was added, because there is actually a comment about it being added. |
| 23:51.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe the package is pre-optification time |
| 23:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZetaR: yes, I guess autobuilder adds that comment to every optified package |
| 23:51.53 | KotCzarny | and it didnt behave like this |
| 23:52.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | the question is who instructed autobuilder to optify that package |
| 23:52.14 | KotCzarny | mine is in non-free, to autobuilder didnt f*ck up mine |
| 23:52.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:52.24 | KotCzarny | s/to /so / |
| 23:54.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | if this package is from pre-optify times back when PR1.0 was recent OS version, I could see somebody adding a tag "optify please" to *all* packages in repo when they introduced optification in PR1.1 or PR1.1.1 or PR1.2 |
| 23:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | not realizing that this particular package already had its own "optification" implemented |
| 23:57.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, mystery 7/8 solved |
| 23:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | the remaining 1/8 I tend to blame to maem flavor of apt |
| 23:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | would be interesting to check if dpkg also does that optify() call |
| 23:58.47 | ZetaR | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7707 |
| 23:58.49 | povbot | 04Bug 7707: maemo-optify-deb produces recursive symlink for plugins in derivative packages |
| 23:59.49 | ZetaR | Claws-mail plugins are named as an example of this bug |
