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| 00:24.04 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: fwiw, there is currently no reasonable way to do Gentoo/N900 due to all stage3s using glibc 2.20 which requires too-new kernel :< |
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| 01:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | nasty |
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| 01:57.26 | Luke-Jr | crap |
| 01:57.30 | Luke-Jr | I accidentally rm /dev/* |
| 01:57.36 | Luke-Jr | will a reboot restore it? |
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| 02:49.06 | ZetaR | Luke-Jr: Should do it. See 'man udev' for more info on /dev |
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| 09:23.41 | Alphadog2 | Hi. I need some help. My n900 battery drains quite fast. |
| 09:25.16 | Alphadog2 | I have read about this in forums, all there is unapplicable for me - switch to 2g network, change wifi to 10 mW, not to use im accounts ... |
| 09:25.41 | KotCzarny | run top press shift-p |
| 09:25.52 | KotCzarny | watch what is eating cpu |
| 09:26.29 | KotCzarny | also, do yo uhave any widgets on the homescreen? |
| 09:27.22 | Alphadog2 | I have installed modified kernel for overclock. Using qCPUFreq, I have set 800MHz max speed, but minimum is 500. |
| 09:27.58 | KotCzarny | set minimum to 250 |
| 09:28.50 | Alphadog2 | I suppose i need to reduce the minimum cpu speed, but i dont know how. 150MHz seems enough in idle. |
| 09:29.13 | KotCzarny | depends what did you install |
| 09:29.51 | KotCzarny | but usually you change values in /etc/pmconfig, no need for any app |
| 09:30.22 | KotCzarny | so i suggest uninstalling it and going back to default |
| 09:30.40 | Alphadog2 | Does oc to 800 increase power consumption much. Even so, I suppose it does work 10% of the time, others 90% are at lower speeds. |
| 09:30.47 | KotCzarny | yes it does |
| 09:31.02 | KotCzarny | over 500-600 mhz you start to pay more in amps for every mhz |
| 09:31.08 | Luke-Jr | Alphadog2: could your battery just be dead? :P |
| 09:32.00 | Alphadog2 | Its possibe, but I doubt. I can test it and measure capacity with standart load |
| 09:32.37 | Alphadog2 | How long does your n900s last? |
| 09:32.40 | KotCzarny | grab bq27200.sh script and check what is your battery last max capacity |
| 09:32.47 | KotCzarny | depends on use |
| 09:32.53 | KotCzarny | when idle its 1-2 weeks |
| 09:32.54 | Alphadog2 | And in what condition |
| 09:33.01 | KotCzarny | when in use its 4-8hours |
| 09:33.46 | bencoh | 4-8hours ? |
| 09:33.50 | KotCzarny | i mean max use |
| 09:33.56 | KotCzarny | like playing vids all the time |
| 09:34.00 | KotCzarny | or games |
| 09:35.23 | Alphadog2 | Im far away |
| 09:35.36 | Alphadog2 | ⺠|
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| 09:38.14 | freemangordon_ | Alphadog2: what is "modified kernel"? |
| 09:38.36 | freemangordon_ | may I have your "uname -a" output? |
| 09:39.38 | Alphadog2 | Enhanced linux kernel for power users |
| 09:40.02 | freemangordon_ | Alphadog2: which version? |
| 09:40.49 | Alphadog2 | 2.6.28-10powe |
| 09:41.04 | KotCzarny | powe? |
| 09:41.38 | freemangordon_ | Alphadog2: type "uname -a" in terminal and provide the output |
| 09:41.51 | Alphadog2 | R53 #1 PREEMPT |
| 09:42.19 | Alphadog2 | armv71 unknown at the end |
| 09:42.23 | freemangordon_ | Alphadog2: 2.6.28-10power53? |
| 09:42.31 | KotCzarny | ssh into device for easier time |
| 09:43.04 | freemangordon_ | Alphadog2: how old is the battery in the device? |
| 09:43.51 | KotCzarny | freemangordon_: mine is 6years old |
| 09:43.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:44.15 | Alphadog2 | I boight it second hand, so i dont know. It was last week. |
| 09:44.21 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: and what is the capacity? |
| 09:44.37 | bencoh | try buying a polarcell |
| 09:44.39 | freemangordon_ | Alphadog2: then most probably your battery is dead, just buy a new one |
| 09:44.39 | KotCzarny | freemangordon_: last 'normal' capacity was ~1200 |
| 09:44.50 | KotCzarny | now bq script shows weird values |
| 09:44.59 | Alphadog2 | Pmconfig says that min is 125 max 600 |
| 09:45.25 | KotCzarny | Alphadog2: uninstall that qcpufreq app |
| 09:45.28 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: i really doubt 6yo battery has lost only 100 mAh of its capacity ;) |
| 09:45.29 | bencoh | I think 125 is too low |
| 09:45.47 | KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FZVSWmyx |
| 09:45.57 | freemangordon_ | Alphadog2: actually, uninstall everything related to overclocking you may have installed |
| 09:46.00 | bencoh | (too feel comfortable ... when it wakes up to display a call for instance) |
| 09:46.27 | bencoh | Alphadog2: and reflash it / start fresh, if you haven't yet |
| 09:46.40 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: no way :) |
| 09:46.57 | KotCzarny | freemangordon_: that's why i said bq script got weird data |
| 09:46.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:47.03 | Alphadog2 | I reflashed it when i bought it |
| 09:47.25 | Alphadog2 | I will check with bq script |
| 09:48.05 | freemangordon_ | Alphadog2: all you need is kernel-power and |
| 09:48.07 | freemangordon_ | kernel-power-settings |
| 09:48.28 | KotCzarny | or mcedit and google |
| 09:48.55 | bencoh | hmm funny, I dont have kernel-power-settings |
| 09:48.56 | freemangordon_ | for OC that is. remove all those fancy GUI applications, most if not all of them are unmaintained and not compatible with recent kernels |
| 09:49.08 | freemangordon_ | bencoh: do you OC? |
| 09:49.20 | KotCzarny | you just need to edit /etc/pmconfig for OC |
| 09:49.29 | bencoh | no, but I can change it in pmconfig (?) |
| 09:49.34 | KotCzarny | which kernel-power-settings most likely does |
| 09:49.48 | bencoh | (I used to run on 250->500) |
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| 09:55.38 | KotCzarny_ | frickin' consumer dsl, what did i miss? |
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| 10:12.01 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: business DSL isn't much better |
| 10:12.31 | KotCzarny | luke, business dsl usually comes with static ip |
| 10:12.42 | KotCzarny | which in turn doesnt disconnect on regular basis |
| 10:12.48 | Luke-Jr | not here. |
| 10:12.54 | KotCzarny | any other is businessish |
| 10:12.59 | Luke-Jr | nor do dynamic IPs disconnect regularly here.. |
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| 10:15.15 | Alphadog | My battery just died :) |
| 10:16.10 | Alphadog | So you advice me to uninstall all overclock features, and if i want OC just to edit pmconfig |
| 10:16.15 | KotCzarny | es |
| 10:16.16 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 10:16.24 | KotCzarny | and first try to run on stock |
| 10:16.29 | KotCzarny | to see if it helps |
| 10:16.35 | KotCzarny | without any oc |
| 10:16.45 | Alphadog | And check the battery status using bq script |
| 10:16.49 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 10:16.57 | freemangordon_ | Alphadog: most probably your battery needs replacement |
| 10:17.02 | freemangordon_ | ~polarcell |
| 10:17.02 | infobot | hmm... polarcell is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement |
| 10:17.16 | KotCzarny | things to look for is vdq:1 field otherwise data could be wrong |
| 10:17.25 | KotCzarny | (though it's wrong on my device anyway) |
| 10:18.18 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: doesn't it need calibration? |
| 10:18.20 | bencoh | KotCzarny: s/vdq/ci/ |
| 10:18.29 | KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FZVSWmyx |
| 10:18.32 | KotCzarny | both 1 |
| 10:18.44 | KotCzarny | ci means calibration incomplete? |
| 10:18.49 | bencoh | invalid |
| 10:19.02 | bencoh | and vdq is important wen you're trying to calibrate it |
| 10:19.10 | KotCzarny | will it become valid just by a charge/discharge cycle? |
| 10:19.24 | bencoh | more or less |
| 10:19.32 | KotCzarny | k, we will see in a few days |
| 10:19.47 | bencoh | but you need a real discharge cycle, which means "no bme" in the last phase |
| 10:20.03 | KotCzarny | hmm |
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| 10:20.34 | Alphadog | I searched thru aliexpress, all batteries there were mentioned in comments worse than the original battery in capacity, but on product description they were all above 1500 |
| 10:20.48 | KotCzarny | alphadog: polarcell |
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| 10:21.34 | KotCzarny | ebay.com has them for ~10usd/eur with shipping free |
| 10:22.51 | Alphadog | With same size. I also saw a 2400 battery, it seemed true - it was twice larger than original, with additional back phone cover. |
| 10:23.03 | KotCzarny | yes, mugen |
| 10:23.09 | KotCzarny | if you has moneys go for it |
| 10:23.21 | Alphadog | But price was about 80$ :) |
| 10:23.27 | KotCzarny | ^ |
| 10:23.27 | bencoh | and some space in your pocket |
| 10:24.00 | KotCzarny | polacell brand was tested and tried by many community members |
| 10:24.05 | KotCzarny | *polarcell |
| 10:24.16 | KotCzarny | just do it |
| 10:25.23 | KotCzarny | and pastebin bq script output |
| 10:26.08 | Luke-Jr | Alphadog: so when was the last time you replaced the battery? |
| 10:26.21 | KotCzarny | he bought it used recently (device) |
| 10:26.33 | Luke-Jr | so probably never |
| 10:26.36 | Luke-Jr | surprised it works at all |
| 10:26.56 | KotCzarny | luke, nokia made good batteries |
| 10:26.59 | KotCzarny | built to last |
| 10:27.03 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: not mine :P |
| 10:27.16 | KotCzarny | mine still works after 6years |
| 10:27.17 | Alphadog | Its original, has the holo sticker |
| 10:27.31 | Luke-Jr | half a year ago, it stopped even booting :/ |
| 10:27.51 | Alphadog | I also have 6310i with original battery. I use it, lasts 5-6 days |
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| 10:46.20 | Alphadog | I actually think my battery is bad. Charging it 20 minutes, and when tried to use the phone while in charger, it turned off |
| 10:46.42 | Alphadog | So this seems to be the problem |
| 10:46.57 | KotCzarny | that too |
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| 11:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sighs |
| 12:07.28 | kerio | i thought mugen was pretty bad |
| 12:07.42 | kerio | like, compared to two BL-5Js |
| 12:22.25 | KotCzarny | price wise, yeah |
| 12:26.31 | kerio | no, capacity wise |
| 12:26.40 | KotCzarny | capacity is not all |
| 12:26.45 | kerio | 2.2Ah versus almost 3 |
| 12:26.59 | KotCzarny | bl-5j is 1.3-1.4 |
| 12:27.06 | KotCzarny | mugen claims its 2.4 |
| 12:27.16 | kerio | my 1.5 bl-5j says hi |
| 12:27.34 | KotCzarny | nokia sells 1.3-1.4 ones |
| 12:27.53 | kerio | still 2.8 vs 2.4 |
| 12:28.20 | kerio | it can be quite significant |
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| 17:58.18 | ptrz | can anyone here run the following on a maemo machine and tell me what you get? pkg-config --cflags nss |
| 17:58.35 | ptrz | more generally, I'm trying to figure out whether maemo still has its own NSS config |
| 17:59.07 | KotCzarny | n8x0 or n900? |
| 17:59.26 | bencoh | a maemo machine ? |
| 17:59.46 | ptrz | yeah, maemo |
| 17:59.50 | ptrz | with NSS installed |
| 17:59.56 | KotCzarny | not to mention you dont do pkgconfig on device |
| 17:59.57 | ptrz | you likely already have it |
| 18:00.00 | KotCzarny | only in scratchbox |
| 18:00.01 | ptrz | ? |
| 18:00.04 | bencoh | you shouldnt have pkg-config on a maemo device, unless you installed the sdk on it |
| 18:00.08 | ptrz | okay :) |
| 18:00.13 | KotCzarny | [root@Nokia-N900:~]# pkg-config |
| 18:00.13 | KotCzarny | -sh: pkg-config: not found |
| 18:00.18 | ptrz | I have no idea about anything related to maemo |
| 18:00.21 | bencoh | can try it scratchbox though |
| 18:00.24 | ptrz | do people still use pidgin for it? |
| 18:00.28 | ptrz | bencoh: yeah, that'd be useful |
| 18:00.34 | bencoh | pidgin still works, at least |
| 18:00.36 | ptrz | basically, wherever people would build pidgin |
| 18:00.53 | bencoh | that would be in scratchbox then :) |
| 18:01.53 | KotCzarny | mind you, maemo libs ARE old |
| 18:02.01 | KotCzarny | so dont rely on anything exotic |
| 18:02.02 | bencoh | funny, pkg-config doesnt give me anything for nss or libnss |
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| 18:02.19 | KotCzarny | bencoh, try /etc/ files directly |
| 18:02.27 | bencoh | anyway |
| 18:02.30 | bencoh | ii libnss3 20100401-1.9.2-5.2+0m5 Network Security Service Libraries - runtime |
| 18:03.03 | bencoh | same on device |
| 18:04.45 | ptrz | what about microb-engine-nss? |
| 18:04.48 | ptrz | as the package name? |
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| 18:13.32 | bencoh | ptrz: oh, you're talking about mozilla-nss then |
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| 18:14.26 | bencoh | > pkg-config --cflags mozilla-nss |
| 18:14.26 | bencoh | -I/usr/include/microb-engine -I/usr/include/microb-engine/nss -I/usr/include/microb-engine/nspr |
| 18:14.49 | bencoh | libnss3-dev: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/mozilla-nss.pc |
| 18:17.16 | ptrz | oh cool |
| 18:17.18 | ptrz | thanks |
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