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| 02:02.44 | R0b0t1 | No idea if this is too device specific, but is the x-loader binary signed or signed and encypted? |
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| 04:59.28 | bencoh | KotCzarny: https://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format (see X-Maemo-Prestarted) |
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| 06:28.02 | KotCzarny | bencoh: what do i change from that file? shall i disable service entirely? |
| 06:28.16 | KotCzarny | or just -prestarted |
| 06:29.19 | KotCzarny | hmm, commenting prestarted stopped it autmatically, nice |
| 06:31.18 | KotCzarny | now, |
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| 06:32.30 | KotCzarny | what are possible effects of disabling the prestart? it will only launch a bit longer or mail autochecks are done by it too? |
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| 07:02.17 | bencoh | KotCzarny: reraid what doc said |
| 07:03.26 | KotCzarny | bencoh, i do agree that trimming too much is a bad thing, but there are things that i dont use, yet, they might be important to others in some way, is it bad to ask? |
| 07:04.04 | bencoh | I'm talking about what he said regarding modest and alarmd (whatever the spelling) |
| 07:11.41 | KotCzarny | hmm, alarmclient: not found |
| 07:12.01 | KotCzarny | installing |
| 07:13.01 | KotCzarny | [root@Nokia-N900:~]# alarmclient -L|grep modest |
| 07:13.01 | KotCzarny | [root@Nokia-N900:~]# |
| 07:13.30 | KotCzarny | i guess it only puts things on shedule if you have any email accounts with autochecks |
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| 07:16.01 | bencoh | probably |
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| 07:22.31 | KotCzarny | not adding any contacts to the desktop shaves 5-10M of memory |
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| 07:31.23 | KotCzarny | microb settings don't affect browserd settings? |
| 07:32.48 | gr8 | hi, the Neo900 sounds awesome and it claims to care about my privacy. But what about radio triangulation? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking This is a major concern for me, in fact I don't use mobile phones for this reason. I guess the very same problem applies to the Neo900? Is it possible to disable the phone antenna and LTE and just use Wifi? |
| 07:33.08 | KotCzarny | gr8: there is #neo900 channel |
| 07:33.13 | gr8 | oh ok |
| 07:33.15 | gr8 | thx |
| 07:33.22 | KotCzarny | it's very specific question, you know |
| 07:33.37 | gr8 | the neo900 website directed me to this channel |
| 07:34.14 | KotCzarny | ahm, in general, if you dont use gsm modem, you can try setting offline mode |
| 07:34.32 | Humpelstilzchen | but that will disable wifi on maemo too |
| 07:34.43 | KotCzarny | does it? [checks] |
| 07:35.03 | KotCzarny | ahm, right, shucks |
| 07:35.24 | bencoh | itt does yeah :) |
| 07:35.42 | bencoh | there might be some dbus command to turn the modem off |
| 07:35.44 | Humpelstilzchen | but there is are tools which can disable only gsm or only wifi |
| 07:35.47 | KotCzarny | on droid 'plane mode' only disables gsm chip |
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| 07:36.14 | gr8 | really? on Cyanogenmod it also disables Wifi |
| 07:36.28 | KotCzarny | Humpelstilzchen: he asked about neo900, it might be different than n900's dbus commands |
| 07:36.52 | Humpelstilzchen | KotCzarny: not really when we use the same software.. |
| 07:37.21 | gr8 | yeah I mean if a linux kernel is running on it, it might be possible to use all linux commands, right? |
| 07:37.49 | Humpelstilzchen | probably not all, might have a problem with some newer systemd ones.. |
| 07:37.51 | KotCzarny | yes, unless something is stuck into binary blob |
| 07:52.42 | KotCzarny | tmo jewels: gconftool-2 -s -t int /apps/osso/status-area-applet-battery/use_design_capacity 0 |
| 07:52.45 | KotCzarny | Above saves lot of frustration with getting completely BS values posing as correct, when battery gauge is not calibrated (at all 0 like, lost calibration data due to battery out of device for too long and dead bupbat). |
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| 08:35.59 | KotCzarny | wiki.maemo.org is missing a favicon |
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| 10:00.42 | KotCzarny | l29ah: for your battery troubles, maybe you'll find some tricks there: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1431701 |
| 10:12.24 | L29Ah | i don't see how it's relevant |
| 10:12.43 | KotCzarny | has some battery charging magic |
| 10:13.19 | KotCzarny | ie. if you cant get bme to make it work right, you can override it |
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| 10:58.01 | R0b0t1 | sirs I am loss |
| 10:58.10 | R0b0t1 | where find compile repo for maemo? |
| 10:58.20 | KotCzarny | that question doesnt compute |
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| 10:58.33 | R0b0t1 | KotCzarny: I wish compile maemo |
| 10:58.36 | R0b0t1 | for device |
| 10:58.40 | KotCzarny | whole thing? |
| 10:58.48 | R0b0t1 | yes, thanks |
| 10:58.50 | R0b0t1 | especially kernel |
| 10:59.04 | KotCzarny | parts have sources, some are binary blobs though |
| 10:59.12 | R0b0t1 | google found dead links :\ |
| 10:59.16 | bencoh | you wont be able to recompile everything |
| 10:59.26 | R0b0t1 | which not? |
| 10:59.32 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ |
| 10:59.36 | KotCzarny | here be kernel |
| 10:59.39 | bencoh | and there is no easy process for a scratch build |
| 10:59.48 | bencoh | but anyway, see scratchbox |
| 10:59.50 | KotCzarny | just apt-get install kernel-source in scratchbox |
| 10:59.56 | bencoh | ~sb |
| 10:59.56 | infobot | [scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 11:00.09 | R0b0t1 | wait |
| 11:00.13 | R0b0t1 | why no crosschain? |
| 11:00.18 | KotCzarny | ask nokia |
| 11:00.28 | R0b0t1 | crossdev no? |
| 11:00.30 | R0b0t1 | what breaks? |
| 11:00.46 | KotCzarny | you are free to prepare your own build env |
| 11:00.57 | R0b0t1 | ok |
| 11:01.08 | bencoh | wont be easy though |
| 11:01.12 | R0b0t1 | hoped past experience had found things not to do |
| 11:02.06 | bencoh | there was a gsoc to port maemo to the openembedded build system |
| 11:02.08 | R0b0t1 | bencoh: can you be more specific? |
| 11:02.15 | R0b0t1 | I see |
| 11:02.24 | KotCzarny | see: http://elinux.org/N900 |
| 11:02.28 | KotCzarny | for open/closed parts |
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| 11:03.14 | R0b0t1 | ah I had seen |
| 11:03.17 | KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo |
| 11:03.26 | KotCzarny | and this too, though it might be a bit out of date |
| 11:04.15 | Maxdamantus | A recnt kernel is probably relatively easy to compile. |
| 11:04.40 | Maxdamantus | you just need a recent gcc/binutils targeted for ARM. |
| 11:04.41 | R0b0t1 | Is armv7a-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-' |
| 11:04.45 | R0b0t1 | proper cross prefix? |
| 11:05.00 | KotCzarny | weren't some n900 things dropped from mainline? |
| 11:05.26 | R0b0t1 | I will attempt to build system later using that. One thing I could not find is any kind of serial terminal. Is there a debug bridge over usb or similar? |
| 11:05.42 | R0b0t1 | or would I need to break out the 1.8V tty pins |
| 11:05.48 | R0b0t1 | on my device |
| 11:06.06 | Maxdamantus | I don't think something like that would be necessary. |
| 11:06.26 | Maxdamantus | if you're trying to use a recent kernel, fbcon works fine. |
| 11:06.40 | KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking |
| 11:07.05 | Maxdamantus | there's probably some USB tty gadget you could use if you want too. |
| 11:07.08 | KotCzarny | also, google for openwrt port for n900, might be what you need |
| 11:07.08 | R0b0t1 | Maxdamantus, what do you mean? |
| 11:07.09 | R0b0t1 | Oh |
| 11:07.16 | R0b0t1 | I will probably need to supply input |
| 11:07.22 | R0b0t1 | device does not have on-the-go |
| 11:07.40 | Maxdamantus | gadget is the opposite of OTG |
| 11:07.49 | R0b0t1 | yes |
| 11:07.54 | R0b0t1 | I have one that would work |
| 11:07.56 | bencoh | KotCzarny: yeah, some stuff broke, some even got dropped |
| 11:08.00 | R0b0t1 | would just prefer not to solder :p |
| 11:08.43 | R0b0t1 | meh I will put in order for some pogo pins |
| 11:18.08 | R0b0t1 | hm ok |
| 11:18.46 | R0b0t1 | If I enable OTG on my device (n900) and set console parameter, I should have something that will work if necessary |
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| 11:31.08 | R0b0t1 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900 |
| 11:31.09 | R0b0t1 | wooo |
| 11:31.25 | KotCzarny | don't get too excited, it's not 100% |
| 11:38.55 | R0b0t1 | what works is sufficient |
| 11:39.30 | KotCzarny | if you wish to use it only as a minicomputer without phone part, sure, it works, you can even have android working |
| 11:39.42 | KotCzarny | natively |
| 11:40.14 | R0b0t1 | I wish to use gentoo system as host and virtualize android or maemo |
| 11:40.25 | R0b0t1 | Processor supports ARM TrustZone, should be possible |
| 11:43.36 | KotCzarny | but you know n900 only has 256M of ram? |
| 11:47.23 | R0b0t1 | yes |
| 11:48.12 | R0b0t1 | should've seen how many VMs I got in 2gb |
| 11:48.40 | KotCzarny | vm is not a problem, running fat apps is |
| 11:51.06 | R0b0t1 | honestly it is mostly to copy AOSP. I don't use many apps myself, but having a "working" ecosystem already is nice |
| 11:51.22 | R0b0t1 | AOSP telephony services* |
| 11:51.38 | KotCzarny | telephone service without any audio? |
| 11:52.00 | R0b0t1 | if it works in maemo it will work eventually |
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| 12:23.49 | R0b0t1 | weird |
| 12:23.55 | R0b0t1 | n900 dts got mainlined, yet there's no defconfig |
| 12:25.21 | KotCzarny | make rx51_defconfig |
| 12:25.40 | KotCzarny | read http://elinux.org/N900 |
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| 12:57.17 | R0b0t1 | yeah that doesn't exist |
| 12:57.59 | R0b0t1 | huh |
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| 14:17.43 | Luke-Jr | R0b0t1: Maemo needs >256M by itself even without virt |
| 14:17.54 | Luke-Jr | and *possible* != code exists |
| 14:18.02 | KotCzarny | luke, it doesnt, i still have some mem free |
| 14:18.08 | KotCzarny | tiny bit, but |
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| 14:26.04 | endso | hm..speaking of gentoo on device..I'm surprised no one(s) [with far far more technical understanding than I that is] hasn't done antiX for arm....I think it was mentioned in their own forums once or twice about being open to it..but they don't savvy embedded from what I gather..so it was never done. |
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| 16:26.42 | Ceres | hello! connection is a bit unstable so i may ask this question again later :P(sorry about that!) Where can i find package dependencies that aren't available on any repos? |
| 16:27.23 | L29Ah | ~repos |
| 16:27.23 | infobot | i heard repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 16:27.28 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 16:27.28 | infobot | i heard maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 16:36.08 | Ceres | i should probably add that i'm on OS 2008 |
| 16:36.08 | Ceres | i will check the second one now |
| 16:36.11 | Ceres | ok, i have all the diablo ones, and the tabletter servers must be down for a while now |
| 16:36.12 | Ceres | tableteer* |
| 16:36.44 | KotCzarny | yeah, tableteer went down, i have a copy locally on disk i think if you need specific packages |
| 16:37.52 | KotCzarny | 145M catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com |
| 16:37.54 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 16:38.08 | Ceres | :D |
| 16:38.18 | KotCzarny | dont know if its complete though |
| 16:38.20 | Ceres | you sound like a life saver |
| 16:38.53 | Ceres | i could make a list |
| 16:39.10 | Ceres | have you considered uploading it somewhere |
| 16:39.13 | L29Ah | Ceres: did you try oscp? |
| 16:39.14 | Ceres | ? |
| 16:39.15 | KotCzarny | if you know some nice and easy file hosting i can upload it wholly |
| 16:40.05 | Ceres | i feel like i will be hated if i ask this but i dont know qhat that is |
| 16:40.25 | KotCzarny | the best media player for n8x0 and n900 |
| 16:40.30 | Ceres | (referring to oscp) |
| 16:40.41 | KotCzarny | unless you prefer media libraries, then it isnt |
| 16:41.03 | KotCzarny | but if you prefer dir/file libraries then there is nothing better |
| 16:41.16 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 |
| 16:42.03 | Ceres | hmmm |
| 16:42.25 | Ceres | the one i can think of off the top of my head is libgcc-something |
| 16:42.53 | Ceres | and some c++ related libs? |
| 16:43.16 | Ceres | i only recently discovered irc so i havent tried installing again |
| 16:44.03 | Ceres | uuuum wetransfer is easy to use |
| 16:44.27 | Ceres | you upload what you want, share the link, and people download it |
| 16:44.41 | Ceres | catch is files are kept onlinw for a week or so |
| 16:44.46 | KotCzarny | checking it |
| 16:47.28 | KotCzarny | shouldnt gcc be in maemo.org repo? |
| 16:47.57 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gcc-3.4/ |
| 16:47.58 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 16:48.03 | stryngs | o0o0o |
| 16:48.05 | stryngs | 3.4? |
| 16:48.10 | stryngs | why so early? |
| 16:48.15 | KotCzarny | stryngs, diablo is old |
| 16:48.18 | stryngs | Ah |
| 16:48.25 | stryngs | didnt pay attention =) |
| 16:48.37 | KotCzarny | ceres: what's your apr config? |
| 16:48.48 | KotCzarny | apt |
| 16:50.01 | KotCzarny | tableteer had some closed binaries with specific licenses, rest was in regular diablo repo |
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| 16:50.24 | Ceres | uuuum |
| 16:51.23 | KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free |
| 16:51.36 | KotCzarny | you should have this one for most of the nokia provided stuff |
| 16:51.45 | KotCzarny | erm |
| 16:51.47 | KotCzarny | wrong link |
| 16:53.06 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 16:53.07 | Ceres | are you asking me to send you my sources? :P |
| 16:55.27 | KotCzarny | how can i check the source repo of the package that is installed on the system? |
| 16:55.42 | KotCzarny | and by source i mean from where it was downloaded |
| 16:56.32 | Ceres | got DC'd, didn't see it if you replied |
| 16:56.32 | Ceres | :P |
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| 16:57.40 | KotCzarny | ceres, as a side note, gcc is not meant to be installed on the device, only for sdk. if you want ondevice devel you have to be cautious and add sdk repo |
| 16:58.05 | KotCzarny | so i guess you can safely comment the tableteer repos |
| 16:58.13 | Ceres | ok this is frustrating, i'm getting DC'd all the time |
| 16:58.38 | KotCzarny | use some shell? |
| 16:58.55 | Ceres | if you guys are still here and willing to help i will ask you again when i'm off work! |
| 16:59.13 | KotCzarny | sure, but take a note ^ |
| 16:59.16 | Ceres | sorry for this but the internet sucks here -_- |
| 16:59.33 | Ceres | i'm logging all this so it's cool! ^_^ |
| 17:00.00 | Ceres | thanks for everything so far! :) |
| 17:00.08 | Ceres | later~! |
| 17:00.11 | KotCzarny | cya |
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| 17:08.19 | KotCzarny | hmm, how to translate http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/ into apt entry? |
| 17:08.45 | KotCzarny | it tries to add /dists/ everytime |
| 17:11.00 | KotCzarny | ok, it's for sdk. nvm |
| 17:11.15 | Pali | https://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror |
| 17:12.28 | Pali | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ maemo4.1.2/sdk free non-free |
| 17:12.29 | Pali | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ maemo4.1.2/tools free non-free |
| 17:12.34 | Pali | KotCzarny ^^^ |
| 17:13.06 | KotCzarny | pali, thx, but i just realized that repo is for sdk (ie. scratchbox) |
| 17:13.20 | Pali | yes it is sdk & tools repo |
| 17:13.30 | Pali | all repos are on apt-mirror page |
| 17:16.11 | KotCzarny | pali: added to [[Repository]] page |
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| 17:57.22 | KotCzarny | hmm, according to http://pinoutsguide.com/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_bl-4j_battery_pinout.shtml, bl-5j has a 100kOhm on bsi |
| 18:12.44 | ShadowJK | Sounds approximately right, if I remember correctly |
| 18:12.55 | KotCzarny | someone said 75 recently |
| 18:13.03 | KotCzarny | not that it matters much |
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| 19:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc it's more like 75k |
| 19:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on temperature |
| 19:13.07 | KotCzarny | http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_BL-5J_battery |
| 19:13.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I helped Pali to create a table temperature-vs-resistance once |
| 19:13.16 | KotCzarny | another page claiming its 100k |
| 19:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? is it relevant? |
| 19:14.10 | KotCzarny | only if one builds own battery |
| 19:14.29 | KotCzarny | i guess for direct dc input without battery both values would work |
| 19:14.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:15.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | 100.1k |
| 19:15.49 | Pali | yes, DocScrutinizer05 provided data for temperature table |
| 19:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | says my KeySight |
| 19:16.05 | Pali | and then on internet I found exact formula for that |
| 19:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a random battery labeled like it was a BL-5J |
| 19:16.58 | KotCzarny | how much on bp-5l (if you have one) |
| 19:19.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | 100.0k on 2nd BL-5J99.9k on 3rd. And sorry what Pali and I did was temperature sensor iin N900, not BSI |
| 19:22.30 | KotCzarny | hmm, i wonder if bme could invalidate capacity for big capacity in l29ah case because of mismatching bsi coded one |
| 19:22.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | BP-5L? nope. BP-4L I got |
| 19:23.22 | KotCzarny | bp-5l was in 770 and n800 |
| 19:23.31 | KotCzarny | (also e61/e62/n92) |
| 19:23.38 | KotCzarny | and 9500 |
| 19:24.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | BP-4L: 120,2k |
| 19:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | (N810) |
| 19:24.51 | KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9789 |
| 19:24.52 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:24.53 | povbot | 04Bug 9789: Mugen battery: HAL not getting correct capacity and current states |
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| 19:25.29 | KotCzarny | 2.4Ah in mugen is 105k |
| 19:25.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | BME isn't made to detect different batteries by BSI |
| 19:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 19:27.10 | KotCzarny | read that bug report, it's quite interesting |
| 19:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *is* capable to detect a so called "test battery", and possibly even a second breed maybe called debug |
| 19:27.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: I'm absolutely sure I've already read every interesting maemo bug :-) |
| 19:28.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 19:31.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9789#c4 |
| 19:31.14 | povbot | 04Bug 9789: Mugen battery: HAL not getting correct capacity and current states |
| 19:31.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 19:31.24 | infobot | hmm... joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org |
| 19:31.48 | KotCzarny | i didnt get that far yet |
| 19:31.56 | KotCzarny | reading few things at the same time |
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| 22:19.52 | Luke-Jr | why does the power kernel not support ACLs+xattrs for ext4? :/ |
| 22:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
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