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| 11:24.04 | Pali | do you know how to read how much swap space is using application with specific PID? |
| 11:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# uptime |
| 11:24.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 11:25.08 | Pali | so it is time to find memory eaters :D |
| 11:25.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | (swap space) I usually use (h)top for this. There's a way via /proc for sure |
| 11:25.30 | Pali | determinate which daemons consume lot of memory |
| 11:25.30 | KotCzarny | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/479953/how-to-find-out-which-processes-are-swapping-in-linux |
| 11:25.43 | Pali | and so which needs to be fixed |
| 11:25.45 | KotCzarny | scroll to lototux answer |
| 11:26.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# free |
| 11:26.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Total: 1031828 404492 627336 |
| 11:27.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: +uptime |
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| 11:27.40 | Pali | KotCzarny: does not work |
| 11:27.58 | KotCzarny | could be for newer kernel, you get the idea and paths tho |
| 11:28.03 | Pali | KotCzarny: there is no VmSwap line in /proc/PID/status file |
| 11:28.20 | KotCzarny | or some kernel debug compile options |
| 11:28.42 | Pali | we need to read it without rebooting :-) |
| 11:28.45 | APic | DocScrutinizer05: Glad You are back. You really rock. ⺠|
| 11:28.58 | Pali | ~seen jonwil |
| 11:28.59 | infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-80-219.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 31d 10h 21m 32s ago, saying: 'particularly given that the train trips I take on a regular basis have areas with low or no 2G signal'. |
| 11:29.10 | Pali | ~seen FatPhil |
| 11:29.11 | infobot | fatphil <~pcarmody@87-119-188-75.tll.elisa.ee> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 234d 20h 8m 40s ago, saying: 'I know I'll get in trouble for asking, but what kernel are you running?'. |
| 11:29.23 | Pali | ~seen FatPhil_ |
| 11:29.23 | infobot | fatphil_ <~pcarmody@87-119-183-129.tll.elisa.ee> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 668d 14h 41m 8s ago, saying: 'yup, those are the US americans'. |
| 11:29.32 | Pali | :-( |
| 11:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | APic: ta |
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| 12:01.42 | Pali | echo $((`sed -n 's/^Swap:\s*\(\S*\)\s*kB$/\1/p' /proc/$PID/smaps 2>/dev/null | tr '\n' '+' | sed 's/+$/\n/'`)) |
| 12:01.53 | Pali | this is working also on maemo kernel 2.6.28 :-) |
| 12:02.00 | Pali | KotCzarny: ^^^ |
| 12:02.45 | Pali | at least I belive that Swap line in smaps is what I want to use... |
| 12:03.15 | KotCzarny | check if it's true, start new program and see if it's 0 |
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| 12:04.07 | KotCzarny | [root@Nokia-N900:~]# ./checkswap |
| 12:04.07 | KotCzarny | 0 |
| 12:04.09 | KotCzarny | not worky |
| 12:04.33 | KotCzarny | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power53 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 10 13:52:39 UTC 2014 armv7l unknown |
| 12:04.46 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:08.02 | KotCzarny | "Swap" shows how much would-be- |
| 12:08.03 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.09 | KotCzarny | from man 5 proc |
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| 12:14.18 | Pali | http://pastebin.com/AEZf1fSN |
| 12:15.13 | KotCzarny | pid=1444; sum=0; for each in `grep Swap /proc/$pid/smaps | sed -n 's/^Swap:\s*\(\S*\)\s*kB$/\1/p'`;\ |
| 12:15.13 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.16 | KotCzarny | try this one |
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| 12:16.43 | KotCzarny | (needs bash tho) |
| 12:17.12 | KotCzarny | or just change [ ] to (( )) |
| 12:19.53 | Pali | http://pastebin.com/tFdYdzRL |
| 12:19.58 | Pali | shell script memuse |
| 12:20.11 | Pali | it works also in maemo busybox sh |
| 12:21.07 | Pali | so hildon-status-menu consume most of RAM |
| 12:21.12 | Pali | needs to be fixed... |
| 12:21.24 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 12:21.37 | KotCzarny | most likely it does more than name suggests |
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| 12:46.56 | KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BtNiBVyC |
| 12:46.59 | KotCzarny | those are mine |
| 12:47.04 | KotCzarny | in a bit different format |
| 12:47.37 | KotCzarny | i think i shouldnt use 'Size' field |
| 12:50.54 | KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bQ9Yparb |
| 12:50.58 | KotCzarny | rss and swap |
| 12:54.14 | KotCzarny | what is browserd-s5711-nRTComMessagingServer ? |
| 12:54.23 | KotCzarny | and why is it eating 27M of ram |
| 12:57.06 | KotCzarny | and this is the script i used: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=e75RvRvk |
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| 13:30.45 | Pali | KotCzarny: browserd is server daemon for gecko html browser renderer |
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| 13:31.24 | Pali | and RTComMessagingServer is probably server part of GUI Chats/Messaging application |
| 13:31.52 | Pali | so I think that process load that HTML+CSS stuff and render SMS, IM messages, history, etc |
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| 14:08.53 | KotCzarny | phone part apps eat most of the mem |
| 14:09.38 | KotCzarny | rtcom server + msgui + callui == 60 megs |
| 14:10.11 | KotCzarny | maybe i should write replacements in gtk, hum |
| 14:10.42 | bencoh | <3 |
| 14:10.54 | bencoh | I'm sure it would be snappier |
| 14:10.58 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 14:11.19 | KotCzarny | i bet even pygtk would be |
| 14:11.20 | bencoh | not sure you can though |
| 14:11.34 | bencoh | erm no, no py pretty please :D |
| 14:11.46 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 14:12.28 | KotCzarny | but seriously, bloat, bloat everywhere |
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| 14:16.31 | KotCzarny | what is modest? |
| 14:17.13 | bencoh | mail reader |
| 14:17.22 | bencoh | this one is opensource |
| 14:17.33 | KotCzarny | osso-abook + osso-abook-home applet == 20megs |
| 14:17.36 | KotCzarny | doh |
| 14:17.52 | KotCzarny | i have never used modest |
| 14:17.58 | KotCzarny | it shouldnt be running |
| 14:18.08 | bencoh | you can disable it |
| 14:18.09 | KotCzarny | and half of the other stuff |
| 14:18.14 | KotCzarny | easily? |
| 14:18.27 | bencoh | yeah, that's a one line conf |
| 14:18.32 | KotCzarny | i believe in opt-in bloat |
| 14:18.50 | KotCzarny | not load all, you has swaps |
| 14:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: done in maemo to speed up startup |
| 14:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | vital for dialer |
| 14:19.47 | KotCzarny | doc: i can understand dialer, but what if one never uses some app? |
| 14:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | arguable for stuff like messaging |
| 14:20.13 | KotCzarny | java, *office have preloaders too, but at least they ask if they should run |
| 14:20.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | (never use) like modest? kill it with fire |
| 14:20.27 | bencoh | :) |
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| 14:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a tad tricky since it has persistent rerun schedules in alarmd |
| 14:21.05 | KotCzarny | would be nice to have page in settings to enable/disable apps or their preloaders |
| 14:21.30 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: who/what ? |
| 14:21.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | modest |
| 14:21.56 | KotCzarny | 7.5megs for modest alone is quite a chunk |
| 14:22.03 | bencoh | hmm ... disabling it in the app/desktop file should be enough |
| 14:22.08 | bencoh | looks like it works here at least |
| 14:22.18 | KotCzarny | almost 6% of mem |
| 14:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: prolly not, alarmd reruns it on next scheduled check for new mail |
| 14:22.52 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: right, I dont have any mail account on it :) |
| 14:23.08 | bencoh | so nothing to check |
| 14:24.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, possible it actually acts "smart" and doesn't schedule reruns in alarmd then |
| 14:24.29 | KotCzarny | wiki page for slimming down unused/unneeded apps? |
| 14:24.48 | bencoh | there arent that many to kill |
| 14:24.58 | bencoh | unless you dont use your phone |
| 14:25.06 | KotCzarny | but it would at least provide hints for users what can be disabled |
| 14:25.11 | KotCzarny | some people use mail, some dont |
| 14:25.13 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 14:25.14 | bencoh | right |
| 14:25.31 | bencoh | you can check modest, calendar, abook, browserd |
| 14:25.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | alarmclient -L|less +'/modest' ;; I guess |
| 14:25.45 | KotCzarny | i think abook is needed for contacts |
| 14:25.57 | bencoh | KotCzarny: indeed |
| 14:25.58 | KotCzarny | same for browserd |
| 14:26.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | abook is needed for contacts which in turn is needed for dialer |
| 14:26.28 | KotCzarny | if we had replacement for dialer/contacts it would be nice |
| 14:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | browserd is used in a *lot* of things |
| 14:26.51 | KotCzarny | can one make calls/send receive sms without? |
| 14:27.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, not really |
| 14:27.04 | bencoh | without what ? |
| 14:27.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | without dialer I guess |
| 14:27.22 | KotCzarny | ie. can i call some dbus command to make a call? |
| 14:27.24 | bencoh | you need a UI anyway, unless you want to type some dbus cli |
| 14:27.33 | bencoh | see wiki phone control |
| 14:27.58 | KotCzarny | but question is if it goes through dialer or direct to modem |
| 14:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: making a call invokesa dialer to show call status and allow for call teardown |
| 14:28.37 | KotCzarny | that's why i thought about dialer/messaging/contacts replacement |
| 14:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | try: pnatd; ATD<full phone number>; |
| 14:28.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch the ending semicolon! |
| 14:29.02 | KotCzarny | doc: and for receiving? |
| 14:29.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | pnatd ATA |
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| 14:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | but ... inbound call invokes dialer |
| 14:29.30 | KotCzarny | can it be disabled? |
| 14:29.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and dialer prolly triggers ringtone |
| 14:29.40 | KotCzarny | and just call some other dbus service? |
| 14:29.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | everything is possible ;-) |
| 14:30.08 | KotCzarny | doc, when you return from the camp im gonna nag you about it |
| 14:30.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hihi |
| 14:30.42 | KotCzarny | it would be swell to have phone/messaging part splitted from other social clunk |
| 14:30.48 | KotCzarny | at least for me |
| 14:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | dialer and messaging are basically unentangled |
| 14:31.58 | KotCzarny | because seriously: |
| 14:31.59 | KotCzarny | 14000 156 /usr/bin/rtcom-messaging-ui (/proc/5710) |
| 14:31.59 | KotCzarny | 13852 172 /usr/bin/rtcom-call-ui (/proc/5474) |
| 14:32.11 | KotCzarny | and it's running all the time |
| 14:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | a (potentially) *huge* resource hog is SQLite eventsdb |
| 14:32.24 | KotCzarny | no such app |
| 14:32.34 | KotCzarny | unless you mean they load it into mem |
| 14:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | dialer and messaging use SQLite to access eventsdb |
| 14:33.19 | KotCzarny | anyone has a freshly flashed n900 to check how much mem they use |
| 14:33.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that loads basically the whole database into memory |
| 14:34.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and worst thing: it *semms* Nokia didn't ever bother about shrinking the database by purging old entries |
| 14:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can delete single recors from call history via GUI, afaik |
| 14:35.09 | KotCzarny | btw. |
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| 14:35.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can delete single text messages, via GUI |
| 14:35.14 | KotCzarny | phone history is cleaned |
| 14:35.21 | KotCzarny | oldest entry is 6months ago |
| 14:35.53 | KotCzarny | so at least this part isnt cluttered |
| 14:36.59 | KotCzarny | and you can clean sms 'conversations' per number |
| 14:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls -l `locate el-v1` |
| 14:37.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 1199104 2015-07-18 22:27 /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db |
| 14:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 0 2011-03-06 20:12 /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db-journal |
| 14:37.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 0 2015-07-18 22:27 /var/lib/sqlite3/_home_user_.rtcom-eventlogger_el-v1.db-journal |
| 14:37.46 | KotCzarny | bah, you can even select multiple conversations at once |
| 14:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you simply delete /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db ;-P |
| 14:38.13 | KotCzarny | i don't wanna :P |
| 14:38.31 | KotCzarny | but you have more options in that matter available in the ui |
| 14:39.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, I should. >1MB is a reason for phone to get sluggish |
| 14:40.19 | KotCzarny | -rw------- 1 user users 2225152 Jul 19 13:54 /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db |
| 14:40.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I just found a convenient way to make sure there's no 'missed calls/SMS' on my phone: date of /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db |
| 14:40.52 | KotCzarny | looks like yours got recreated using wide access rights |
| 14:41.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny, seems you found a minor flaw in maemo |
| 14:41.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^^ might you want to have a look at this? |
| 14:42.06 | KotCzarny | not that it is something important |
| 14:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 14:42.16 | KotCzarny | most people use only user and some root |
| 14:42.23 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: what exactly? |
| 14:42.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: when deleting /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db , check if it's recreated with correct file permissions |
| 14:42.56 | KotCzarny | also, /var/lib/sqlite* stuff is also world readable |
| 14:43.20 | Pali | so somebody create it with incorrect permissions? |
| 14:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe backupmenu restore fails? |
| 14:43.32 | Pali | no idea |
| 14:43.48 | KotCzarny | doc, maybe you deleted it and messaging ui recreated it |
| 14:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I moved to this device via BM restore a maybe 6 month or a year ago. Dunno when the file permissions changed |
| 14:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: that was my first idea |
| 14:44.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | either that, or BM restore |
| 14:45.05 | KotCzarny | ls -la /home/user/ ? |
| 14:45.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: it's no big thing. Just a point for the "boring weekends" todo list ;-) |
| 14:45.18 | KotCzarny | .dbus should be user readable only |
| 14:45.39 | KotCzarny | .mafw* too |
| 14:45.49 | KotCzarny | you will see if it's the only one |
| 14:46.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | drwx------ 3 user users 4096 2000-01-01 01:00 /home/user/.dbus/ |
| 14:46.35 | KotCzarny | 2000? :) |
| 14:46.44 | KotCzarny | same here |
| 14:46.45 | Pali | it is normal |
| 14:47.06 | Pali | this is time is set when rtc is not working |
| 14:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 14:47.28 | Pali | our rtc battery is bad |
| 14:47.41 | KotCzarny | we have rtc battery at all? |
| 14:47.49 | Pali | yes, n900 has it |
| 14:47.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 14:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bupbat |
| 14:48.00 | infobot | it has been said that bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/Art-2112777-TAIYO-YUDEN-PAS414HR-VA5R-KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 |
| 14:48.00 | KotCzarny | wouldnt it leak after so many years? |
| 14:48.10 | KotCzarny | 12 months, lol |
| 14:48.54 | KotCzarny | second link is dead |
| 14:49.07 | KotCzarny | or just site rehashing |
| 14:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, it's dead every other month |
| 14:50.29 | KotCzarny | it should be user replaceable unit :/ |
| 14:50.30 | KotCzarny | pity |
| 14:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it shouldn't break sooner than after 10 years of product life |
| 14:56.21 | KotCzarny | 4 years remaining |
| 14:56.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas that series of batteries was broken-by-design |
| 15:02.38 | erlehmann | oh |
| 15:02.41 | erlehmann | i never knew |
| 15:03.29 | erlehmann | > Funny, I got so used to setting date/time after swapping batteries that I assumed this had always be the case. |
| 15:03.44 | KotCzarny | just use ntpdate |
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| 15:04.01 | KotCzarny | and if you do it often, make a shortcut on the desktop |
| 15:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I kicked out the dang /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard |
| 15:05.21 | KotCzarny | oh, right, gonna do the same, and start documenting |
| 15:05.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | settings->time&date [x]auto-update does the rest |
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| 15:08.18 | antranigv | ping, hay guys, need a little advice, yesterday I was dancing Yarkhushta, and my N900 dropped from my pocket, and there is a LITTLE TINY scratch at the edge |
| 15:08.28 | antranigv | nothing big, but, anyone knows how to remove it? |
| 15:08.39 | KotCzarny | um, dont? |
| 15:08.40 | antranigv | or make it... less noteble? |
| 15:08.42 | antranigv | lol |
| 15:08.52 | KotCzarny | make the survivor scars be visible! |
| 15:09.26 | antranigv | I was thinking to use a, (what do you call that thing girls use for nails?) for the color |
| 15:09.28 | antranigv | haha KotCzarny |
| 15:09.33 | antranigv | that is also an amazing idae |
| 15:09.37 | antranigv | idea* |
| 15:09.49 | Wizzup | antranigv: you could consider getting a cover for your n900 |
| 15:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | antranigv: not nail varnish, but a permanent black marker pen |
| 15:10.00 | KotCzarny | you can use black permanent marker |
| 15:10.04 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 15:10.12 | antranigv | DocScrutinizer05: cool idea |
| 15:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | first!! \o/ |
| 15:10.17 | antranigv | Wizzup: a cover? |
| 15:10.23 | antranigv | like a case? |
| 15:10.25 | KotCzarny | doc: i'm editing the wiki :P |
| 15:10.40 | bencoh | permanent black marker doesnt work on the bezel |
| 15:10.47 | bencoh | as far as I can tell |
| 15:10.51 | KotCzarny | depends on the marker, he he |
| 15:11.04 | bencoh | maybe ... |
| 15:11.05 | Wizzup | case |
| 15:11.05 | Wizzup | yes |
| 15:11.08 | Wizzup | I have this one: http://www.amazon.com/PDair-Aluminum-Metal-Case-Nokia/dp/B004A7M2KK |
| 15:11.33 | KotCzarny | 38usd, wow, almost price of the device |
| 15:12.33 | antranigv | KotCzarny: lol |
| 15:13.41 | KotCzarny | http://www.ebay.com/sch/Cell-Phones-Smartphones-/9355/i.html?_from=R40&_sop=15&_nkw=nokia%20n900&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1&_trksid=p2045573.m1684 |
| 15:13.44 | KotCzarny | wow, 800usd |
| 15:13.57 | KotCzarny | vintage! collectible! rare! |
| 15:13.59 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 15:14.17 | antranigv | is that new? |
| 15:14.21 | KotCzarny | you guys should better care for your vintages :P |
| 15:15.22 | antranigv | the pen did it fine! I mean the marker |
| 15:15.30 | KotCzarny | let it dry tho |
| 15:15.34 | antranigv | looks better |
| 15:15.39 | antranigv | feels the same |
| 15:16.14 | antranigv | this will help me to feel the phone, so I wont hold it in the wrong dirrection |
| 15:16.17 | antranigv | direction* |
| 15:16.27 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 15:16.49 | antranigv | feels like The DareDevil |
| 15:16.51 | antranigv | :P |
| 15:16.59 | KotCzarny | you feel the colors? |
| 15:17.00 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 15:17.26 | antranigv | KotCzarny: yes, but the wrong way... I'm also daltonic |
| 15:17.37 | antranigv | daltonic? is it right to day that? |
| 15:17.46 | antranigv | (that's what we say at least) |
| 15:17.51 | KotCzarny | color blind :P |
| 15:17.53 | antranigv | I have problem with the colors |
| 15:17.54 | antranigv | yes! |
| 15:17.59 | antranigv | KotCzarny: tnx! :D |
| 15:18.17 | KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness |
| 15:18.51 | KotCzarny | daltonism is used in english only for deuteranopia |
| 15:19.05 | KotCzarny | (red-green color blindness) |
| 15:19.44 | antranigv | no I'm not red... I think the green is my problem |
| 15:20.55 | antranigv | anyways, my biggest problem will be not having a N900 |
| 15:27.23 | KotCzarny | doc: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10hildon_welcome is nokia hands? |
| 15:30.47 | KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/Slimming_OS |
| 15:30.55 | Wizzup | antranigv: same thing, cheaper here http://www.pdair.com/index.php/aluminum-metal-case-for-nokia-n900-open-screen-design-black.html |
| 15:30.55 | KotCzarny | initial page, anyone has other tips? |
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| 15:37.43 | antranigv | Wizzup: tnx! |
| 15:37.49 | Wizzup | I got it from there |
| 15:37.51 | Wizzup | v happy with it |
| 15:37.58 | antranigv | KotCzarny: ah, the hands will be handy, I hate them (: |
| 15:38.00 | Wizzup | saved my phone (and also my girlfriend's n900) in many occasions |
| 15:39.06 | KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup#Cherry |
| 15:39.07 | KotCzarny | wow |
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| 15:56.04 | endso | that cherry's been popped :D hehehee ...ahhhh! Goooodddd Morrnninnnnggg Topeka! |
| 15:56.34 | endso | Watched that guitar clip...guys got skillz |
| 15:56.53 | KotCzarny | yup. first minute i was like 'oh, is that all' then he started rocking |
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| 16:00.26 | endso | hm ..yeah pdair has 'em cheaper direct...best hard case I have...have em too for my n810's...got the leather "book" style as well...but Boxwave makes the best leather variant..it's got card slots and slots for credit/debit/id cards as well as a huge pocket the width and length of the case front. |
| 16:01.02 | endso | yeah..watched his other vids as well...pretty darn good. |
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| 16:06.47 | KotCzarny | hmm, anyone know if funambol is needed? |
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| 16:17.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | dispises https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup - it's quite... subjective. And for cherry, it's more involved that simply uninstalling the package |
| 16:18.18 | Wizzup | perfect setup would be mainline kernel ;) *cough* |
| 16:18.35 | KotCzarny | mainline kernel AND current libraries |
| 16:18.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, what a hybris to claim you found the perfect setup |
| 16:19.15 | KotCzarny | still, anyone has some tips and tricks of what is safe to remove? |
| 16:19.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sort of resembles crappatch |
| 16:19.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~crappatch |
| 16:19.33 | infobot | speedpatch is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch], or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1328060&postcount=3325 [bug report] |
| 16:19.47 | bencoh | setup-that-sucks-less ? :) |
| 16:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: I don't care too much about 2what to remove" |
| 16:20.32 | KotCzarny | you do |
| 16:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | since... it's individual |
| 16:20.47 | KotCzarny | otherwise you wouldnt be looking for hildon-welcome etc |
| 16:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 16:20.52 | infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 16:27.04 | KotCzarny | what is qtm? |
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| 16:29.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | context? |
| 16:30.05 | KotCzarny | libqtm* |
| 16:30.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | qt-mobile, I guess |
| 16:30.22 | KotCzarny | it's some framework, but is it used by anyone/anything? |
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| 16:58.46 | KotCzarny | hmm, is nokiamessaging needed? |
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| 17:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, prolly obsolete |
| 17:09.10 | KotCzarny | good. 4.5M of rootfs reclaimed |
| 17:09.28 | KotCzarny | also, trying to remove modest messes badly with apt |
| 17:09.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 17:13.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | it messes with the metapackage |
| 17:13.14 | KotCzarny | yeah, but things get hairy |
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| 17:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the congenital defect of maemo: Nokia decided to pack a single huge metapackage to deploy stuff they think every device should have. It's quite fsckdup a concept |
| 17:15.43 | KotCzarny | can it be fixed by replacing such package by a dummy one? |
| 17:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it was very convenient for them since they didn't need to care about *real* dependencies |
| 17:16.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | (dummy) that's extremely tricky |
| 17:16.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | but basically it is exactly what CSSU does |
| 17:17.00 | KotCzarny | what is the name of the pkg? |
| 17:18.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-*-pr |
| 17:18.51 | KotCzarny | ii mp-fremantle-community-pr 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1.2 Community SSU package, includes latest fixes from Gitorious and the community |
| 17:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | mp-* |
| 17:18.55 | KotCzarny | i have it installed |
| 17:19.44 | KotCzarny | so it has to be something else |
| 17:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 17:20.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | it? hast to be? sth else? |
| 17:20.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is the mETApACKAGE |
| 17:20.21 | KotCzarny | try on yours: apt-get remove modest |
| 17:20.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | no I won't |
| 17:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I know modest is in mp |
| 17:20.41 | KotCzarny | (doesnt have to say y, it just calculates deps) |
| 17:20.58 | KotCzarny | so, can we get modest OUT of mp- ? |
| 17:21.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, edit it |
| 17:21.57 | KotCzarny | which, what, where |
| 17:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xy |
| 17:22.12 | infobot | xy is probably The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal |
| 17:22.15 | KotCzarny | by edit you mean 'download, unpack, edit, repack, reinstall' ? |
| 17:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask cssu guys |
| 17:23.01 | KotCzarny | who is cssu guys? |
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| 17:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 17:25.57 | KotCzarny | mohammad7410 |
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| 17:29.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr|egrep "(Depends:|Replaces:|Conflicts:)" |
| 17:30.04 | KotCzarny | osso-calculator (>= 2.0-1+0cssu1), osso-calculator-ui (>= 2.0-1+0cssu1) |
| 17:30.11 | KotCzarny | wow, calculator with server-client model? |
| 17:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr|grep "^Depends:"|head -n 1 |
| 17:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, they pimped calculator beyond sanity |
| 17:32.18 | KotCzarny | hmm, can mp-fremantle-community-pr be simply removed? |
| 17:32.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | in theory yes |
| 17:32.40 | KotCzarny | and in practice? |
| 17:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | in practice you won't receive any updates then |
| 17:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 17:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask cssu folks |
| 17:33.08 | KotCzarny | updates to what? |
| 17:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | to CSSU :-) |
| 17:33.34 | KotCzarny | but that only if they invent some new package |
| 17:34.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is a description of the meaning of "update2, yes |
| 17:34.25 | KotCzarny | well, already installed pkgs will update |
| 17:34.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 17:34.36 | KotCzarny | no? |
| 17:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 17:34.45 | Cor-Ai | meaning not yes |
| 17:34.47 | KotCzarny | isn't that apt job? |
| 17:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | please ask somebody else, i'm not a packager |
| 17:35.08 | KotCzarny | k, changing topic: this is the thunderstorm heading to me http://www.pogodynka.pl/http/assets/products/aktualna_pogoda/PERUN_DIS.GIF |
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| 17:35.55 | KotCzarny | maybe i should turn of some of the devices :> |
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| 17:44.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: when nokia (or CSSU) rolls out a new release, they provide an update of the mp, and that in turn updates all the packages vie the "depends:". Maemo doesn't use the usual apt-get upgrade, since that wouldn't know about dependencies between packages, updating one package to new version and leaving another package on an incompatible level. I explained that Nokia decided to not care about proper dependencies in "simple" packages |
| 17:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and instead packed everything into a metapackage to ensure everything is consistent. So apt-get upgrade is deprecated |
| 17:46.20 | KotCzarny | doc: all would be nice and dandy if we had few gigs for rootfs |
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| 17:50.44 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: we do..? |
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| 17:50.56 | KotCzarny | luke: for / ? |
| 17:51.27 | Luke-Jr | hm, maybe not |
| 17:51.29 | Luke-Jr | rootfs 227.8M 189.3M 34.3M 85% / |
| 17:51.30 | Luke-Jr | :| |
| 17:51.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:51.35 | KotCzarny | new to maemo? |
| 17:53.04 | Luke-Jr | no, old |
| 17:53.10 | KotCzarny | i know, just kidding |
| 17:53.52 | Luke-Jr | '//dev/mmcblk0p5 9.8G 8.3G 1.0G 89% /media/gentoo |
| 17:53.53 | Luke-Jr | :P |
| 17:54.14 | Luke-Jr | stabs N900 for having such a slow MicroSD bus |
| 17:54.35 | KotCzarny | osso-notes* osso-sketch* osso-rss* out! 4.2M of rootfs back |
| 17:55.04 | Luke-Jr | >>> Installing (55 of 542) virtual/acl-0-r1 |
| 17:56.53 | KotCzarny | one more positive side of slimming is fewer trash-apps in app menu |
| 17:58.02 | KotCzarny | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23911920 Feb 19 2010 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 17:58.04 | KotCzarny | wow |
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| 18:22.42 | KotCzarny | Prolog is used on N900 to decide about audio output levels for speakers and audio out (see e.g. first paragraph of http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Audio ). That sounds like a crazy idea, doesn't it? I wish I could meet a guy who decided "hey, using prolog for this would be a great idea" |
| 18:22.43 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 18:23.03 | Luke-Jr | lol |
| 18:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: what the heck are you doing? osoo-notes for sure should have been optified and thus not relevant for rootfs |
| 18:28.25 | KotCzarny | removing apps i never use |
| 18:28.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | just wha? |
| 18:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | why |
| 18:29.01 | KotCzarny | partly for checking how far i can go, partly because i never use them |
| 18:29.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | tzz |
| 18:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody really interested in this |
| 18:29.58 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82641 |
| 18:30.00 | KotCzarny | nobody? |
| 18:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 18:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1001 ways to fuck up your device |
| 18:30.51 | KotCzarny | sure, but reflash is quick and easy |
| 18:31.00 | KotCzarny | not to mention you learn by breaking usually |
| 18:31.09 | KotCzarny | (i mean by fixing what you break) |
| 18:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | so do that in private, i'd suggest. I for one had my share already |
| 18:32.47 | KotCzarny | i didn't know this irc channel had such rules in place |
| 18:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no such rule in place. there's only a level of interest I have in certain topics |
| 18:33.39 | KotCzarny | #maemo == I ? |
| 18:33.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't know the channel turned into 2how to brick your N900" |
| 18:34.22 | KotCzarny | always thought 'hacking' was 'doing things that aren't always safe' |
| 18:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk |
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| 18:49.15 | Pali | KotCzarny: for that stuff like policies, it really make sense to write rules in such "logical" language |
| 18:50.07 | Pali | it is easier to define policies and action based on know facts in prolog |
| 18:50.18 | Pali | as in other laguages like C |
| 18:50.21 | KotCzarny | pali: nice to know, i have only heard about prolog, never actually seen it |
| 18:51.29 | Pali | swi prolog (used in N900) is doing some kind of SLD resolution to achieve or decide if predicate is truth or not |
| 18:51.57 | Pali | and this is part of language |
| 18:52.09 | Pali | you just need to write rules |
| 18:52.23 | Pali | and prolog do all magic below |
| 18:52.49 | Pali | in other programming laguages you need to write how to solve such problem |
| 18:53.05 | Pali | in prolog you just write "description" of problem (not how to solve it) |
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| 21:52.50 | KotCzarny | hmm, does anyone actually tested battery life with and without smartreflex? |
| 21:54.03 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: yes, it was vi, back then |
| 21:55.10 | KotCzarny | and is it worth? i'm using it for some time, yet i don't see anything noticeable |
| 21:55.21 | KotCzarny | (at least according to battery-eye) |
| 21:55.58 | KotCzarny | on a positive note it's stable, didn't have any unexpected reboots |
| 21:56.09 | freemangordon | let me try to find the thread |
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| 22:02.39 | freemangordon | hmm, seems the thread has disappeared :( |
| 22:03.00 | KotCzarny | i only see vi_ commenting on smartreflex in this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82145 |
| 22:03.08 | freemangordon | the last post from vi_ on TMO is from 06-16-12 |
| 22:03.53 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: no, it was a beautiful thread, with graphics, for different frequencies and loads |
| 22:04.18 | freemangordon | unfortunately it seems to be archived/deleted |
| 22:09.06 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: anyway, I remember something like 8% lower consumption for (500? 600?) MHz |
| 22:09.17 | KotCzarny | uhum, i set mine to 500 too |
| 22:09.40 | freemangordon | but anyway SR is highly device dependent, so your mileage may vary |
| 22:09.41 | KotCzarny | and 8% goes well into observable margin |
| 22:10.05 | KotCzarny | would be nice to have second n900 just for testing |
| 22:10.24 | freemangordon | you can check what is the voltage set by SR and compare it without SR |
| 22:10.38 | freemangordon | that'll give you an idea |
| 22:10.56 | freemangordon | about what saving (if any) to expect |
| 22:11.06 | KotCzarny | nah, i believe it's working, but i wanted to know how much in battery time it can gain |
| 22:11.41 | freemangordon | well, you know such a question has no answer :) . usage pattern, you know |
| 22:11.56 | KotCzarny | that's why second n900 :) |
| 22:12.07 | KotCzarny | this one is my main phone |
| 22:13.32 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: lock your frequency at 500 (for example), then "cat /sys/power/sr_vdd1_voltage" |
| 22:14.04 | freemangordon | then compare it with voltage for 500 without SR |
| 22:14.17 | freemangordon | it is in units of .125V, (iirc) |
| 22:15.01 | KotCzarny | 38 |
| 22:15.35 | freemangordon | hmm, it is 32 here |
| 22:15.42 | freemangordon | are you sure you have SR enabled? |
| 22:16.04 | KotCzarny | 1 in /sys/power/sr_vdd[12]_autocomp ? |
| 22:16.10 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:16.15 | KotCzarny | then yes |
| 22:16.27 | KotCzarny | without sr its 39 |
| 22:17.11 | freemangordon | well, then you have a "bad" device which doesn't gain much from SR |
| 22:17.20 | freemangordon | and what about 250MHz? |
| 22:18.08 | freemangordon | mine is at 23 with SR |
| 22:18.14 | KotCzarny | 24 with, 25 without |
| 22:18.49 | KotCzarny | well, oscillating between 24 and 25 |
| 22:19.24 | KotCzarny | power53? |
| 22:19.33 | freemangordon | yeah, not much of a difference |
| 22:19.53 | freemangordon | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power53 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 10 13:52:39 UTC 2014 armv7l unknown |
| 22:20.55 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: have you ever tried to undervolt? |
| 22:21.07 | KotCzarny | never, apart from enabling sr |
| 22:21.42 | KotCzarny | btw. vdd2 value differs a bit more with/wo sr |
| 22:22.01 | freemangordon | you;d better not enable SR for vdd2 |
| 22:22.08 | bencoh | I wonder what it does when usb is plugged in ... it says vdd1==35, vdd2==37 |
| 22:22.26 | freemangordon | bencoh: locks the freq at 600 (iirc) |
| 22:23.15 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: vdd2 is bad in a way it can crash the device or silent corruption? |
| 22:23.29 | bencoh | 500 apparently, but yeah, it might be just that |
| 22:23.31 | KotCzarny | so far i didn't notice anything |
| 22:23.42 | bencoh | what's wrong with SR on vdd2 ? |
| 22:24.12 | freemangordon | bad in a way that SR calibration values are wrong (as are those for vdd1), but I didn;t make a patch to fix them (which I did for vdd1) |
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| 22:26.13 | freemangordon | and I can only guess what can an undervolted bus bring, be it crash or silent corruption |
| 22:26.33 | KotCzarny | print a warning in dmesg |
| 22:26.37 | KotCzarny | just for now |
| 22:26.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:26.42 | freemangordon | I think there is |
| 22:27.12 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 22:27.24 | freemangordon | could be, it was a while I last played with it :) |
| 22:28.02 | bencoh | freemangordon: too high or too low ? |
| 22:28.02 | KotCzarny | anyway, so far my device was stable, even with vdd2, but as you've said it's not undervolting much |
| 22:28.08 | freemangordon | too low |
| 22:28.14 | bencoh | oh |
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| 22:28.49 | freemangordon | bencoh: hmm, wait |
| 22:29.13 | freemangordon | it is a bit more complicated |
| 22:29.26 | freemangordon | for vdd1 there a 5 efuse values |
| 22:29.36 | freemangordon | and 3 for vdd2 |
| 22:30.11 | freemangordon | the last 3 ( for 500, 550 and 600) for vdd1 are same on all devices I've ever checked |
| 22:30.27 | freemangordon | the same goes for 3rd value for vdd2 |
| 22:31.04 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.15 | freemangordon | while 1st and second values are too high for all the devices I've checked |
| 22:32.02 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: yes, thosa are for frequencies 125-805 |
| 22:32.04 | freemangordon | *those |
| 22:33.07 | freemangordon | bencoh: so, we have 2 values that are always higher than needed and 3 which are too high or too low for a particular device |
| 22:33.19 | freemangordon | the same goes for vdd2 |
| 22:33.55 | freemangordon | we have 2 values that are too high and 1 which could be high or low |
| 22:34.25 | bencoh | hmm |
| 22:34.34 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: your 3rd value for vdd2 is 00aac695, right? |
| 22:34.42 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 22:34.58 | freemangordon | bencoh: ^^^ you have the same, right? |
| 22:35.13 | bencoh | freemangordon: and ... how do we know it's too high or too low ? checking against some doc ? |
| 22:35.15 | KotCzarny | 009aaedf 00aafda7 00aac695 |
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| 22:35.32 | freemangordon | bencoh: there is no way you can know |
| 22:36.01 | freemangordon | those are supposed to be parameters, factory caliibrated for a particular SoC |
| 22:36.06 | bencoh | I mean ... how did you check ? |
| 22:36.17 | freemangordon | I didn;t |
| 22:36.30 | freemangordon | I took the first pair only |
| 22:37.03 | bencoh | "we have 2 values that are too high and 1 which could be high or low" compared to what ? empiric values ? |
| 22:37.04 | freemangordon | for vdd1 that is. The other values are extrapolated |
| 22:37.23 | bencoh | I have 009ac0eb 009a8bb0 00aac695 for vdd2 |
| 22:37.30 | freemangordon | bencoh: compared to what the device needs to be stable, without consuming unnecessary power |
| 22:38.04 | freemangordon | yep, again 00aac695 ;) |
| 22:38.34 | KotCzarny | factory failsafe of some kind? |
| 22:38.47 | freemangordon | no idea what it is, but it is wrong |
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| 22:40.54 | bencoh | I'll read the omap3 documentation, some day 0:) |
| 22:41.17 | bencoh | (not saying this just regarding this specific point ... :) |
| 22:42.07 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: the idea is - TI measures the device performance at different OPPs, loads and temperatures, then programs eFuses with SoC specific values. Those values are used by the kernel to program SR controller, which in turns controls TWL's voltage regulators. |
| 22:42.22 | freemangordon | *int turn |
| 22:42.34 | freemangordon | dammit, too sleepy :) |
| 22:42.58 | KotCzarny | pity i have bad device |
| 22:43.05 | KotCzarny | still, works as it is |
| 22:43.28 | KotCzarny | unproductive smartreflex doesn't consume any overhead energy? |
| 22:43.40 | freemangordon | yeah, your device seems to be on the bad end of the spectrum |
| 22:43.50 | freemangordon | afaik no |
| 22:44.20 | KotCzarny | thanks for the info :) |
| 22:44.35 | KotCzarny | going to leave it enabled anyway |
| 22:44.54 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: keep in mind that even 0.25V down make some difference |
| 22:45.29 | KotCzarny | heh, how about a rescueos based kernel with testing script? :) |
| 22:45.42 | freemangordon | testing what? |
| 22:45.53 | KotCzarny | you've said something about locking voltages |
| 22:46.09 | KotCzarny | or i'm sleepy too and read more that there was said |
| 22:46.18 | freemangordon | I guess |
| 22:46.19 | freemangordon | :) |
| 22:46.38 | KotCzarny | ah, i see, you have asked me about undervolting |
| 22:46.57 | freemangordon | locking was to give you an idea how does SR perform on your device |
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| 22:47.31 | freemangordon | to compare vdd1 voltage with nd without SR |
| 22:47.34 | freemangordon | *and |
| 22:51.37 | KotCzarny | also that explains why i didnt notice any battery life improvements |
| 22:51.52 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 22:52.41 | KotCzarny | in 125mhz vdd1 is 23 |
| 22:54.19 | KotCzarny | and vdd2 is 30 |
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| 22:58.42 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1032062&postcount=76 |
| 22:58.43 | KotCzarny | he he |
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| 22:59.42 | KotCzarny | so actually sr should make chips more stable |
| 22:59.59 | KotCzarny | assuming it's working right |
| 23:00.24 | KotCzarny | and for some chips it could make battery life shorter |
| 23:01.53 | KotCzarny | well, scratch the last line |
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| 23:13.22 | KotCzarny | on a side note: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Building_Qt_with_OpenGL_ES_accelerated_by_SGX |
| 23:17.13 | bencoh | hmm WindowSystem=libpvrQWSWSEGL.so |
| 23:18.21 | bencoh | that's for qws ... and afaik not for qt/x11 |
| 23:18.43 | KotCzarny | uhum |
| 23:24.08 | KotCzarny | harmattan has much more tweakables in this file |
| 23:29.28 | KotCzarny | bencoh, was it you who suggested one line disabling for modest? |
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| 23:33.02 | KotCzarny | wow, 18yo said 'grow up' to freemangordon :) |
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