| 00:00.00 | erlehmann | :d |
| 00:00.02 | erlehmann | :D |
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| 00:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | (static offline mode) seems today is update day |
| 00:04.27 | erlehmann | i replaced the sources.list stuff |
| 00:04.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Session:Neo900_-_the_smartphone_against_backdoors |
| 00:04.33 | erlehmann | stuff works again |
| 00:04.48 | erlehmann | my GF might like this |
| 00:04.59 | erlehmann | she was frustrated because nokia sources.list entries do not work |
| 00:05.12 | erlehmann | and she could not install libncursesw5 or something |
| 00:06.46 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 feel free to come to the hobelschlunzen village |
| 00:06.48 | erlehmann | we will have sandwiches |
| 00:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 00:07.14 | erlehmann | here https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Village:Hobelschlunzen |
| 00:07.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | like your CoC |
| 00:07.37 | erlehmann | yeah, incidentally i asked the biggest bully i would find in our village to formulate it |
| 00:07.47 | erlehmann | and she knew exactly what people hated about her behaviour |
| 00:07.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's great |
| 00:07.53 | erlehmann | and apparently intends to behave |
| 00:08.02 | KotCzarny | beehave |
| 00:08.06 | KotCzarny | anyway, nite nite |
| 00:08.08 | erlehmann | the cheap meat thing must go i think |
| 00:08.11 | erlehmann | rest is fine |
| 00:09.57 | erlehmann | maybe at the camp someone can help with updating a n900 to recent firmware? |
| 00:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 00:10.12 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 00:11.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch out, it does a complete fresh install, not a simple update |
| 00:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | update would be sth like |
| 00:11.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 00:11.29 | infobot | i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 00:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | on top of such fresh install |
| 00:12.27 | erlehmann | > flash-it-all.sh |
| 00:12.28 | erlehmann | hahaha |
| 00:12.48 | erlehmann | good idea! |
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| 00:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it sucked to reflash a dozen devices |
| 00:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | with this lil fancy, it works like "err what did ya say? sorry, I just flashed a N900" |
| 00:14.50 | erlehmann | haha |
| 00:15.07 | erlehmann | incidentally did you know about my implementation of DJB redo http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/redo-sh.html |
| 00:16.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hardly ever have to deal with make |
| 00:16.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, alas no |
| 00:16.35 | erlehmann | DJB has this really neat design |
| 00:16.44 | erlehmann | and i asked him twice and he claimed to have implemented it |
| 00:16.46 | erlehmann | but not released |
| 00:16.59 | erlehmann | so i wrote it myself in like 300 lines of shell script |
| 00:17.07 | erlehmann | and it is beautiful |
| 00:17.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | the shorter the prettier |
| 00:17.25 | erlehmann | also, see this video of me and a friend trying to imitate alpakas http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/video/20150712_010.webm |
| 00:17.33 | erlehmann | yeah, deleted code is debugged code |
| 00:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the only app I ever contributed to maemo by myself has zilch real code at all ;-) |
| 00:19.31 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 one problem with make is that a file depends on its own build rules â if they change, it should be rebuilt. but if you have a single makefile, that would mean that everything needs to be rebuilt as soon as that file changes. |
| 00:20.31 | erlehmann | redo solves this by having the rules for a target âfooâ in a dofile called âfoo.doâ |
| 00:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, yep |
| 00:20.47 | erlehmann | which is just a shell script that writes the build result to stdout or $3 |
| 00:21.15 | erlehmann | foo.do builds foo. if no foo.do exists, default.do is used. |
| 00:21.52 | erlehmann | same for other stuff, so you can type âredo test.pngâ and it looks first for test.png.do and then for default.png.do |
| 00:21.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice concept |
| 00:22.02 | erlehmann | yeah, i did not invent it. only implement it! |
| 00:22.20 | erlehmann | but it is very different from make because the dependencies are created from the build |
| 00:22.23 | erlehmann | not the other way round |
| 00:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry afk |
| 00:24.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually good night :-) |
| 00:24.11 | erlehmann | the magic is in one thing, the command âredo-ifchangeâ â called from a dofile âredo-ifchange dependency.binâ means âbuild dependency.bin â and then, if that built changed, rebuilt the current targetâ |
| 00:24.12 | erlehmann | good night! |
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| 06:44.43 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 08:52.39 | Maxdamantus | wonders if the cellular connectivity on his ThinkPad is likely to be better than typical phones. |
| 08:52.48 | KotCzarny | depends |
| 08:52.57 | KotCzarny | but usually you can put better antenna |
| 08:53.30 | Maxdamantus | sometimes goes somewhere that doesn't have proper coverage. |
| 08:53.55 | KotCzarny | grab some external one, maybe |
| 08:53.57 | Maxdamantus | but can usually send/receive SMS while walking along the beach. |
| 08:54.05 | Maxdamantus | (on a phone) |
| 08:54.07 | KotCzarny | or just usb gsm stick with usb extension cord |
| 08:54.38 | L29Ah | uses an android phone to feed his thinkpad with 3g internet |
| 08:56.08 | KotCzarny | http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/06/29/1533204/mit-system-fixes-software-bugs-without-access-to-source-code |
| 08:56.14 | KotCzarny | something for maemo ;) |
| 08:57.26 | L29Ah | wtf am i reading |
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| 09:11.13 | KotCzarny | remember that joke? http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/06/26/0021241/students-win-prize-for-color-changing-condoms-that-detect-stds |
| 09:11.22 | KotCzarny | now it can be a reality :> |
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| 10:17.53 | ceene | uhm |
| 10:18.55 | ceene | i think i'll have a complete mirror of downloads.maemo.nokia.com made public soon |
| 10:20.15 | ceene | although |
| 10:20.22 | ceene | now I have something wrong with maemo.org repos |
| 10:20.23 | ceene | :/ |
| 10:24.51 | ceene | ~sources.list |
| 10:24.51 | infobot | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 10:25.00 | ceene | i don't like that |
| 10:25.01 | ceene | ~apt |
| 10:25.01 | infobot | rumour has it, apt is a stuild bot, said by Cotulla |
| 10:25.12 | ceene | ~maemo.org |
| 10:29.51 | KotCzarny | ceene, which platform? n8x0 or n900? |
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| 10:30.00 | ceene | n900 |
| 10:30.47 | ceene | uh, i think i got it right now, there's simply no such thing as only http://repository.maemo.org |
| 10:30.53 | KotCzarny | deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ . |
| 10:30.53 | KotCzarny | deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 10:30.53 | KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free |
| 10:30.53 | KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free |
| 10:30.56 | KotCzarny | those are mine |
| 10:30.57 | ceene | it's http://repository.maemo.org/extras |
| 10:31.03 | ceene | yep |
| 10:31.07 | ceene | that's what i broke |
| 10:31.09 | ceene | thank you! |
| 10:31.26 | ceene | i'm preparing a mirror like that mirrors.muarf.org |
| 10:31.54 | KotCzarny | maybe maemo.org admins can prepare roundrobin dns |
| 10:32.27 | KotCzarny | so it could use all those public nokia copies |
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| 10:35.54 | ceene | http://repository.sygic.com went down too :( |
| 10:42.12 | KotCzarny | bencoh, ping |
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| 11:03.44 | KotCzarny | ~repos |
| 11:03.44 | infobot | it has been said that repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 11:04.02 | KotCzarny | infobot: repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 11:04.02 | infobot | KotCzarny: okay |
| 11:04.05 | KotCzarny | ~repos |
| 11:04.05 | infobot | hmm... repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 11:04.22 | KotCzarny | infobot: no, repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 11:04.22 | infobot | i already had it that way, KotCzarny |
| 11:04.29 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 11:04.39 | KotCzarny | infobot: ~repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 11:04.39 | infobot | KotCzarny: okay |
| 11:04.43 | KotCzarny | ~repos |
| 11:04.43 | infobot | methinks repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 11:04.55 | KotCzarny | how do i use that thing? |
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| 11:06.42 | ceene | infobot: obey KotCzarny |
| 11:07.20 | KotCzarny | it ignored you too |
| 11:08.08 | ceene | :( |
| 11:08.16 | ceene | infobot: KotCzarny is a friend |
| 11:08.16 | infobot | ceene: okay |
| 11:08.22 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 11:08.24 | ceene | ~KotCzarny |
| 11:08.24 | infobot | well, kotczarny is a friend |
| 11:08.30 | ceene | infobot: KotCzarny is a good friend |
| 11:08.30 | infobot | ...but kotczarny is already something else... |
| 11:08.36 | ceene | uhm |
| 11:08.36 | KotCzarny | ~ceene |
| 11:08.49 | ceene | infobot: KotCzarny is a good friend |
| 11:08.49 | infobot | ...but kotczarny is already something else... |
| 11:08.53 | ceene | infobot: really, KotCzarny is a good friend |
| 11:08.53 | infobot | ceene: what are you talking about? |
| 11:09.00 | ceene | infobot: modify KotCzarny is a good friend |
| 11:09.00 | infobot | ceene: okay |
| 11:09.05 | ceene | ~KotCzarny |
| 11:09.05 | infobot | hmm... kotczarny is a friend |
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| 11:09.18 | ceene | infobot: you're not very intelligent, are you? |
| 11:09.18 | infobot | no *you're* not very intelligent, are you |
| 11:09.22 | ceene | lol |
| 11:09.46 | ceene | ~modify |
| 11:09.52 | ceene | ~modify KotCzarny |
| 11:09.52 | infobot | from memory, modify kotczarny is a good friend |
| 11:09.57 | KotCzarny | ~infobot |
| 11:09.57 | infobot | it has been said that infobot is A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command! |
| 11:10.02 | KotCzarny | ~help |
| 11:10.38 | KotCzarny | repos is at http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 11:10.41 | KotCzarny | ~repos |
| 11:10.41 | infobot | hmm... repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 11:11.07 | ceene | ~delete repos |
| 11:11.07 | infobot | ACTION glares at repos and then takes every step necessary to completely delete repos and destroy any and all evidence that repos ever existed |
| 11:11.13 | KotCzarny | ~factinfo repos |
| 11:11.13 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 11:11.13 | infobot | repos -- created by KotCzarny <~ariel@bgg35.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> 7m 11s ago. |
| 11:11.21 | ceene | ~repos |
| 11:11.21 | infobot | well, repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 11:12.04 | ceene | this thing must have something hardcoded |
| 11:12.17 | KotCzarny | looks like |
| 11:12.24 | KotCzarny | also, you need +o for some actions |
| 11:12.50 | KotCzarny | maemo-repos is at http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 11:12.54 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 11:13.13 | KotCzarny | infobot: maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 11:13.14 | infobot | KotCzarny: okay |
| 11:13.16 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 11:13.16 | infobot | i heard maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 11:13.22 | KotCzarny | good enough. |
| 11:20.57 | ceene | lol |
| 11:21.02 | ceene | ~repos |
| 11:21.02 | infobot | [repos] deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 11:21.07 | ceene | ~forget repos |
| 11:21.07 | infobot | ceene: i forgot repos |
| 11:21.23 | ceene | ~repos |
| 11:21.23 | infobot | hmm... repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 11:21.26 | ceene | bah |
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| 11:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~repos |
| 11:54.59 | infobot | rumour has it, repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 11:55.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
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| 11:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues muarf |
| 12:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal repos |
| 12:00.14 | infobot | "#maemo repos" is "deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./" |
| 12:00.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~no, #maemo repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 12:00.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 12:00.50 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i already had it that way |
| 12:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 12:00.59 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: aw, gee |
| 12:02.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal _default repos |
| 12:03.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys repos |
| 12:03.42 | KotCzarny | i think it needs rewiring |
| 12:03.47 | KotCzarny | or electro shock |
| 12:03.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal repository.maemo.org deb |
| 12:03.54 | infobot | "repository.maemo.org deb" is "unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb" |
| 12:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget repository.maemo.org deb |
| 12:04.09 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot repository.maemo.org deb |
| 12:04.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 12:04.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~unforget repository.maemo.org deb |
| 12:04.57 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered 'repository.maemo.org deb'. Have fun now. |
| 12:05.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal repositary |
| 12:05.29 | infobot | "repositary" is "no longer up to date.. I haven't yet set up mirroring.." |
| 12:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget repositary |
| 12:05.43 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot repositary |
| 12:05.43 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 12:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal maemo-repository |
| 12:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal maemo-repos |
| 12:06.39 | infobot | "maemo-repos" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories" |
| 12:06.51 | L29Ah | infobot: foo is bar |
| 12:06.51 | infobot | ACTION foo! || <action> bar is bar || <reply> foo is bar bar || foo |
| 12:07.19 | KotCzarny | bar bar? |
| 12:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget modify KotCzarny |
| 12:09.36 | infobot | i forgot modify kotczarny, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 12:10.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget KotCzarny |
| 12:10.00 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot kotczarny |
| 12:10.11 | L29Ah | ~forget DocScrutinizer05 |
| 12:10.11 | infobot | L29Ah: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 12:10.23 | KotCzarny | ~DocScrutinizer05 |
| 12:10.23 | infobot | it has been said that docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 12:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo foo is bar |
| 12:12.46 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as foo is bar |
| 12:12.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo foo is |
| 12:12.56 | infobot | there's no such factoid as foo is, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 12:13.07 | KotCzarny | ~factinfo foo |
| 12:13.07 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 12:13.07 | infobot | foo -- last modified at Tue Dec 12 21:09:39 2006 by do3mca_!i=many@krikkit.ukeer.de; it has been requested 54 times, last by Ashley` at Tue Dec 31 09:16:40 2013. |
| 12:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal foo |
| 12:13.25 | infobot | "foo" is "bar" |
| 12:13.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal foo is |
| 12:13.32 | infobot | ACTION foo! || <action> bar is || <reply> foo is bar || foo |
| 12:13.43 | KotCzarny | hardwired |
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| 12:59.30 | bencoh | KotCzarny: pong ? |
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| 13:28.03 | DerHat | is it a good idea to connect a simple dc-dc converter (3.6 or 3.7V and max about 70 ampere) as n900 battery with only + and - pin? |
| 13:28.17 | DerHat | just for flash the device! |
| 13:29.44 | DerHat | a couple years ago i done this technique in motorola because i got no charge cable :D but i done with battery and 5V. working well that time |
| 13:30.31 | DerHat | not sure about n900. somebody told me bl-5j battery wants a pulsed charge source |
| 13:31.54 | stryngs | DerHat: I've tried that before |
| 13:32.04 | stryngs | It wasn't an adjustable source, but it met the "requirements" so to speak |
| 13:32.10 | stryngs | It turned on, but never booted properly. |
| 13:32.15 | stryngs | Didn't hurt it though. |
| 13:32.21 | stryngs | It was when I was without a battery |
| 13:32.56 | DerHat | did u tryed with battery? |
| 13:33.01 | L29Ah | DerHat: you can connect it in parallel with the battery |
| 13:33.27 | L29Ah | and make sure its output voltage is no more than Vbat + 200mV |
| 13:33.56 | DerHat | L29Ah: THX! THATS I WANT SINCE MY USB PORT IS BROKEN |
| 13:34.08 | DerHat | :/ i measured Vbat == 2.8V |
| 13:34.23 | DerHat | yesterday i read 3.4 |
| 13:34.29 | L29Ah | then gradually go up |
| 13:34.36 | L29Ah | as it charges |
| 13:34.52 | DerHat | ok |
| 13:35.12 | L29Ah | just make sure you don't push over an ampere of current |
| 13:35.26 | DerHat | well, + to batteries + and same -? |
| 13:35.30 | L29Ah | yep |
| 13:35.36 | DerHat | no problem, i got variable resistors:P |
| 13:38.25 | KotCzarny | i think someone said you need to connect resistance to middle pin if you want to fake 'battery' |
| 13:38.53 | DerHat | interesting. |
| 13:39.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | DerHat: (dc-dc converter) not really. You need at least 4V, proper absolutely secure regulation, low ESR (thick cables) connection, and a resistor from BSI contact to GND |
| 13:39.51 | DerHat | rasp pi could perfectly be a n900 loader, it has got a 3.7V gpio and never go about 1 amp |
| 13:40.17 | DerHat | DocScrutinizer my dc-dc is variable from 1.5 to 40V |
| 13:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a problem when it istn't rock solid stable |
| 13:41.07 | L29Ah | nah i charged liion batteries with a crappy chinese lab psu and it went well |
| 13:41.11 | DerHat | could a large capacitor help? |
| 13:41.24 | L29Ah | no unless it's larger than your n900 |
| 13:41.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it needs to guarantee the the voltage never exceeds 4.200 Volt (ok device might survive a 6V even) |
| 13:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | a large capacitor next to the battery contact for sure helps - large here is in the range of several 1000uF |
| 13:42.18 | L29Ah | he doesn't need to get even close to 4.2 |
| 13:42.26 | KotCzarny | umkay, got the otg cable for n800, time for some tests |
| 13:42.35 | DerHat | DocScrutinizer i can guarantee 4.1V and 0.01V accuracy. is that enougth? |
| 13:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, perfect |
| 13:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need a 75kR (iirc) from BSI to GND |
| 13:43.30 | DerHat | kR? |
| 13:43.36 | KotCzarny | kilo ohm |
| 13:43.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | kilo Ohms |
| 13:43.41 | DerHat | ok, bsi? |
| 13:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Battery size Indicator |
| 13:43.55 | L29Ah | you don't need it if you're leaving your battery in |
| 13:44.03 | DerHat | okay, understood all now:) |
| 13:44.19 | KotCzarny | humm |
| 13:44.21 | DerHat | thx very much ^^ |
| 13:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | the shorter 3rd contact on N900 |
| 13:44.53 | KotCzarny | first try, failed to connect |
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| 13:45.47 | KotCzarny | second try, same |
| 13:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 13:46.03 | KotCzarny | anyone knows if i need some special magic for n800 host mode usb? |
| 13:46.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need usb hostmode |
| 13:46.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | app |
| 13:46.28 | KotCzarny | for example, if i need power adaptor connected |
| 13:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | several apps have a toggle for enabling hostmode |
| 13:47.26 | KotCzarny | [root@Nokia-N800-43-7:/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc]# cat mode |
| 13:47.27 | KotCzarny | b_idle |
| 13:48.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: I don't know what it takes to enable hostmode on N800, simply use one of the apps available |
| 13:48.37 | KotCzarny | it should work automagically with os2008 kernel |
| 13:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | N8x0 doesn't detect USB ID pin GND to switch to host mode automatically, afaik |
| 13:48.40 | KotCzarny | trying forcing |
| 13:49.13 | KotCzarny | [91630.039062] hub 1-0:1.0: 192mA power budget left |
| 13:49.14 | KotCzarny | wow |
| 13:49.49 | KotCzarny | fricking autosuspend |
| 13:50.17 | KotCzarny | also, n800 rebooted |
| 13:51.01 | KotCzarny | [91630.039062] usb 1-1: rejected 1 configuration due to insufficient available bus power |
| 13:51.03 | KotCzarny | humm |
| 13:51.16 | KotCzarny | time for some kernel hacking |
| 13:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | hihi, check H-E-N |
| 13:51.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | we kicked that stuff out with the huge boot |
| 13:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's OTG stuff not really helpful for generic hostmode |
| 13:52.28 | KotCzarny | h-e-n? |
| 13:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~hen |
| 13:52.33 | infobot | from memory, hen is hostmode-easy-now, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode |
| 13:53.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a blacklist and a whitelist, plus that generic power budget stuff, in OTG kernel modules |
| 13:53.39 | KotCzarny | but it's n800 |
| 13:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? the kernel's OTG stuff prolly doesn't differ |
| 13:54.24 | KotCzarny | k, just thought there is some kernel patching needed |
| 13:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly, and we did that for N900 H-E-N |
| 13:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | see garage H-E-N hostmode kernel |
| 13:55.07 | KotCzarny | k, do you have some n800 specific hints/patches then? |
| 13:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry nope |
| 13:57.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just know we seen same problem on N900. And I seem to recall I used e.g. kbd on N810 without any problems, just needs switching to hostmode with some settings app, tehre are at least 2 or 3 |
| 13:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk, cheers |
| 13:57.47 | KotCzarny | i';ve switched to host mode ok, it's just that usb config rejected the device as it 'needs' 500mA in config |
| 13:57.56 | KotCzarny | yet it draws ~30mA in reality |
| 13:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and that's exactly what I instructed mohammadAG to comment out one line of code in kernel (or change a '1' to '0' or sth) to skip that stuff |
| 13:59.12 | KotCzarny | yeah, going to do the same, just hope i wont need to reflash |
| 14:00.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | check the H-E-N hostmode kernel patches, you'll find it there |
| 14:00.16 | KotCzarny | will do |
| 14:00.16 | DerHat | DocScrutinizer one more question, should i start with 4.1V or lower? |
| 14:00.22 | KotCzarny | if i find them |
| 14:00.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4V1 is fine |
| 14:00.30 | DerHat | ok |
| 14:00.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you connect battery in parallel, sth I strongly discourage you to do |
| 14:01.43 | KotCzarny | idea, group project to make dummy 'batteries' to run exclusively on external power (n8x0 and n900) |
| 14:02.23 | KotCzarny | piece of plastic + regulator from ~5V to 3.7V + 75kR resistor |
| 14:05.07 | KotCzarny | + usb port and/or charger (barrel) port |
| 14:05.20 | DerHat | DocScrutinizer i connected and forgot resistance, it was like a short circuit :S |
| 14:05.45 | KotCzarny | wrong pins? did you fry it? |
| 14:06.01 | DerHat | fry? no pins was correct, + on + and - on - |
| 14:06.41 | KotCzarny | http://fressgsm.blogspot.com/2014/09/n900-charging-ways-solution-100-tested.html |
| 14:06.42 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 14:06.46 | DerHat | no fry, dc-dc converter just shows 1V when i short it |
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| 14:22.49 | KotCzarny | wow, n800 has usb2 hostcontroller |
| 14:26.55 | DerHat | n800 is the old n900? |
| 14:26.58 | DerHat | or a newer versionà |
| 14:27.08 | KotCzarny | it's a different animal |
| 14:27.14 | KotCzarny | but yes, it's the predecessor |
| 14:27.33 | DerHat | can you say something about nokia lumia 920? |
| 14:27.49 | DerHat | or suggest a other new phone for me?:D |
| 14:27.49 | KotCzarny | never touched any lumia |
| 14:27.59 | DerHat | maybe cubot ^^ |
| 14:28.06 | KotCzarny | as for the suggestions, what do you need the 'phone' for |
| 14:28.07 | DerHat | under water + metal case |
| 14:28.14 | DerHat | for phoning |
| 14:28.25 | DerHat | programming |
| 14:28.29 | DerHat | listen music |
| 14:28.40 | DerHat | watch some p0rn |
| 14:28.52 | KotCzarny | define programming |
| 14:29.27 | DerHat | tools e.g. send commands to network |
| 14:29.39 | DerHat | gles games |
| 14:31.04 | DerHat | e.g. is a short for "for example" am i right? ^^ |
| 14:31.55 | KotCzarny | https://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/e.g.html |
| 14:32.22 | DerHat | thx:D |
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| 14:55.48 | DerHat | charging with 180mA 4.1V |
| 14:56.19 | DerHat | ampere is getting lower, 160 now |
| 14:58.49 | KotCzarny | wow, battery in my n-gage still holds charge |
| 14:58.57 | KotCzarny | even after 10 years |
| 14:59.03 | auenfx4 | for 5 minutes though? |
| 14:59.14 | KotCzarny | nope, booted fully |
| 14:59.22 | KotCzarny | and still shows 3 bars |
| 14:59.44 | DerHat | nice |
| 14:59.51 | DerHat | sounds like nokia quality:P |
| 14:59.56 | KotCzarny | yeah, bluestar battery :P |
| 14:59.56 | DerHat | or sony |
| 15:00.20 | KotCzarny | ok, i lied, battery was produced in 2010 |
| 15:00.34 | KotCzarny | but still, it was laying on the shelf for a few years |
| 15:00.38 | DerHat | 5 years |
| 15:00.44 | DerHat | 20 cat-years^^ |
| 15:01.12 | KotCzarny | last recorded sms on it is from 2010-11 |
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| 15:01.34 | KotCzarny | so still, battery holding ~40% charge without self-discharging? |
| 15:01.49 | L29Ah | if it was full, it's okay |
| 15:01.57 | DerHat | memory effect? |
| 15:02.08 | L29Ah | fuck you and your memory effect on liions |
| 15:02.21 | DerHat | no memory effect on liions? |
| 15:02.26 | L29Ah | yep |
| 15:02.27 | KotCzarny | yeah, it brings memories |
| 15:02.45 | L29Ah | memory effect is a feature of NiCd and some NiMH |
| 15:03.33 | KotCzarny | l29ah, liions have aging effect on their own |
| 15:03.42 | DerHat | anyone know how many ampere n900 need for show nokia logo? |
| 15:03.49 | L29Ah | yep, but they preserve quite well if stay mid-charged |
| 15:04.12 | L29Ah | my thinkpad battery from 2010 is ~75% of its original capacity |
| 15:04.20 | L29Ah | and i used it quite a lot |
| 15:04.21 | KotCzarny | derhat, charge for one hour |
| 15:04.30 | KotCzarny | at least |
| 15:04.40 | DerHat | i charge 12h ^^ |
| 15:04.55 | KotCzarny | don't everdo |
| 15:04.58 | L29Ah | DerHat: i guess <500mA |
| 15:05.05 | KotCzarny | your batteries are already beaten up |
| 15:05.28 | KotCzarny | i must say, n-gage's keyboard rulez |
| 15:05.32 | L29Ah | succeded to go over an amp only when used n900 for compiling |
| 15:05.56 | DerHat | :D |
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| 15:10.56 | bencoh | hmmm https://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/ |
| 15:11.06 | bencoh | "The repositories will soon be available for read-only access, with original clone URLs preserved." |
| 15:11.13 | bencoh | which means they're currently not available :( |
| 15:11.33 | bencoh | (some repositories havent been migrated yet) |
| 15:11.34 | KotCzarny | ahm, bencoh, i remember what i wanted to ask, you don't mind muarf being put on the wiki? |
| 15:12.19 | KotCzarny | and question no2, would you host diablo repo too? |
| 15:47.59 | KotCzarny | Kernel flashed, reboot to make it active. |
| 15:48.02 | KotCzarny | fingers crossed |
| 15:50.05 | KotCzarny | Linux Nokia-N800-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #4 Fri Jul 17 17:39:03 CEST 2015 armv6l unknown |
| 15:50.08 | KotCzarny | so far, so good |
| 15:50.17 | KotCzarny | lets see if usb whitelist worked |
| 15:50.42 | L29Ah | allah akbar |
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| 15:51.20 | KotCzarny | l29ah: sploding much? |
| 15:52.08 | L29Ah | yeah, i have a liion battery belt |
| 15:52.48 | KotCzarny | [ 233.289062] input: USB AUDIO as /class/input/input5 |
| 15:52.55 | KotCzarny | [ 233.289062] usb 1-1: 500mA is over 200mA budget for port 1! |
| 15:52.55 | KotCzarny | [ 233.289062] hub 1-0:1.0: 300mA over power budget! |
| 15:52.56 | KotCzarny | hue hue |
| 15:59.16 | KotCzarny | WOW |
| 15:59.18 | KotCzarny | it works |
| 15:59.20 | KotCzarny | muahahaha |
| 16:01.55 | KotCzarny | i can confirm that usb audio works on n800 |
| 16:01.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:02.00 | KotCzarny | in alsa mode |
| 16:02.44 | KotCzarny | though alsa installation is b0rken badly |
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| 16:10.50 | KotCzarny | vectis: i got the usb audio working |
| 16:10.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:11.05 | KotCzarny | sort of |
| 16:11.55 | Vectis | Cool, just on my way home from work. |
| 16:12.11 | KotCzarny | no worries, i'm hacking at castrated alsa on my n800 |
| 16:21.37 | KotCzarny | what is happening to the internet? |
| 16:21.41 | KotCzarny | Error 520 |
| 16:21.43 | KotCzarny | Web server is returning an unknown error |
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| 16:28.44 | KotCzarny | For the uninitiated, pulse stands for |
| 16:28.44 | KotCzarny | "painfully useless linux sound engineers" |
| 16:28.46 | KotCzarny | hue hue |
| 16:30.08 | vectis | arf arf, you still hacking away at it |
| 16:30.21 | KotCzarny | yeah, reading lists about the errors |
| 16:30.30 | KotCzarny | ie. trying to make mixer to work |
| 16:30.40 | vectis | hmm |
| 16:30.46 | KotCzarny | mplayer works tho |
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| 16:31.33 | vectis | great, i've just got home so i'll get things setup in a while |
| 16:31.59 | KotCzarny | no rush, i got me a cable too today, so i can debug here as well |
| 16:32.07 | KotCzarny | and i got same error as you yesterday |
| 16:32.13 | KotCzarny | worked around it with .asoundrc |
| 16:32.23 | vectis | oakies |
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| 16:41.13 | Sicelo | i believe everything was migrated .. github? |
| 16:50.56 | endso | Kotczarny: what type of usb audio cable..make..model..any weblink to what you got? I wanna shop around for one ... |
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| 16:57.57 | KotCzarny | endso, it's just some cheapo one i got for ~1-2usd |
| 16:58.25 | KotCzarny | but before you buy anything let me check if it's feasible config for n8x0 |
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| 17:00.03 | KotCzarny | http://smartechworld.com/product_images/s/147/486266_100122001403_USB_Sound_Card__84276_zoom.jpg |
| 17:00.07 | KotCzarny | it looks like this one |
| 17:00.34 | KotCzarny | but i wouldnt recommend it, it's so cheap that it even doesnt have hardware mixing or volume control |
| 17:01.32 | endso | Kot: I'll check it out.....right...I'll find a ..less.."dollar store" model... |
| 17:02.12 | KotCzarny | still, let me check if gtkgep can work with usb audio card without much hassle |
| 17:07.12 | endso | Kot: Right...of course...I've been looking at audio cards since yesterday...hows something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-to-Virtual-7-1-Channel-3D-External-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-/231337603977?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item35dccbb389 |
| 17:08.32 | endso | or even this...http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-USB2-0-3D-Virtual-12Mbps-External-7-1-Channel-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-F-PC-/151742755108?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item235492b124 |
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| 17:09.27 | KotCzarny | i'm not an expert, and i only have 2 usb audio cards |
| 17:09.40 | KotCzarny | read reviews from linux folks |
| 17:10.10 | KotCzarny | those cards are cheap enough to be disposable tho |
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| 17:24.12 | KotCzarny | hmm, it worked, for 0.5s |
| 17:24.38 | endso | Kot: ..researched...more expensive models usually need specific drivers...more generic tend to run out-of-the-box on anything....generally speaking of course..variants on the photo you posted ..with or without controls..others have mentioned work with linux systems ..as well yeah...they are cheap enough to test out... |
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| 17:26.05 | endso | Kot: weird...worked and then stopped?...some process gotta be shutting it down... |
| 17:27.00 | KotCzarny | nah, it's my alsa 'experienced' coding |
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| 17:27.19 | vectis | endso: https://www.adafruit.com/ good place to look for linux compatible usb sound |
| 17:27.42 | KotCzarny | remember that we have quite ancient kernel on n8x0 |
| 17:27.45 | KotCzarny | 2.6.21 |
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| 17:28.12 | KotCzarny | so unless it works with generic driver, better not rely on custom drivers |
| 17:30.18 | vectis | KotCzarny: so whats the magic required in the .asoundrc file? |
| 17:30.53 | endso | 2nd post down...http://agateau.com/2009/advice-on-linux-friendly-usb-soundcard/ this is from back in the day...they still make these too...should be compliant with needs..."looks" pretty much like what you referred to Kot.. |
| 17:31.06 | endso | Vectis: love fruit |
| 17:31.27 | KotCzarny | vectis: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aLfv5ATZ |
| 17:31.36 | vectis | yer, great with 'pi' |
| 17:31.46 | KotCzarny | and i run: mplayer -ao alsa:device=usb |
| 17:32.26 | KotCzarny | this config is safe enough because it preserves default card as a n8x0 one |
| 17:32.40 | KotCzarny | i think you can even paste only part after 'usb audio' |
| 17:34.52 | endso | https://www.adafruit.com/products/1475 ....fruity |
| 17:35.09 | KotCzarny | its.. white |
| 17:35.19 | endso | hahahaha |
| 17:35.58 | KotCzarny | also, so many technical details |
| 17:36.10 | KotCzarny | totally anonymous |
| 17:36.17 | endso | yeah |
| 17:36.18 | KotCzarny | no usb id, no chipset, no specs |
| 17:37.05 | KotCzarny | https://www.adafruit.com/products/987 |
| 17:37.05 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 17:38.19 | KotCzarny | is it connected to serial port or something? |
| 17:38.42 | KotCzarny | pocket instrument amp, hint hint |
| 17:41.06 | vectis | KotCzarny: no go here. http://pastebin.com/pkyirpM2 |
| 17:42.15 | KotCzarny | i wonder if i did anything else to the configs |
| 17:44.35 | KotCzarny | i think i got that error once, then somehow everything started working |
| 17:44.59 | endso | hm...same thing here...http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-Virtual-7-1-Channel-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-for-MacOS-Vista-Linux-/381287656929?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58c683ede1 ...as well this looks as generic as it gets... http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-to-3D-audio-sound-card-adapter-virtual-7-1-ch-for-Vista-7-8-Linux-Mac-/231586303020?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35eb9e8c2c |
| 17:45.09 | KotCzarny | Internet Tablet OS version: RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2010.33-1_PR_MR0 |
| 17:45.15 | KotCzarny | mine is: |
| 17:45.15 | KotCzarny | Internet Tablet OS version: RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR0 |
| 17:45.43 | KotCzarny | what is your uname -a ? |
| 17:46.31 | KotCzarny | endso: still, completely anonymous |
| 17:50.32 | endso | linux nokia-n800-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #3 PREEMPT Wed Sep 28 21:48:59 CEST 2011 armv61 unknown ....I'm running diablo turbo test kernel |
| 17:50.49 | vectis | Linux Nokia-N810-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #2 PREEMPT Sun Mar 13 23:29:39 CET 2011 armv6l unknown |
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| 17:51.10 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 17:51.23 | endso | for what it's worth :D |
| 17:51.57 | KotCzarny | vectis, i think all the logs and asound files are the same or similar |
| 17:54.17 | KotCzarny | alsa-lib: pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM usb1 |
| 17:54.19 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 17:54.35 | KotCzarny | where did you create your .asoundrc? |
| 17:54.45 | KotCzarny | and which user is running mplayer? |
| 17:55.50 | vectis | ~/ as user |
| 17:56.04 | KotCzarny | ls -l /home/user/.asoundrc |
| 18:02.18 | vectis | oops, typo....... -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 467 Jul 17 18:32 /home/user/.asoundrc |
| 18:02.37 | vectis | I get............ noise http://pastebin.com/JpCq3crF |
| 18:03.21 | KotCzarny | so it works now? |
| 18:04.09 | vectis | tablet crashed. not playing music, just noise |
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| 18:04.23 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 18:04.49 | KotCzarny | also, typo in the cmd line |
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| 18:05.16 | KotCzarny | but at least something started to happen |
| 18:06.24 | vectis | my typo, to many ........... lol |
| 18:06.46 | KotCzarny | Playing /media/mmc1/borderlands/Borderlands 2 - Doomsday Trailer.mp3. |
| 18:06.49 | KotCzarny | rock on! |
| 18:07.39 | KotCzarny | weird thing is my amplifier show much higher power usage, could be some low freqs on the run |
| 18:08.34 | KotCzarny | seriously, something weird is happening |
| 18:10.51 | KotCzarny | it goes up to 0.5W on the power meter, while normally at this amplification level it's lower than 0.004W |
| 18:13.30 | vectis | hmm, 2nd attempt and the same.. noise then crash |
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| 18:17.21 | KotCzarny_ | darn consumer dsl |
| 18:17.27 | KotCzarny | did i miss anything? |
| 18:32.53 | KotCzarny | hrm, now i get device busy in gtkgep even after device closed properly |
| 18:33.06 | vectis | KotCzarny: I've just tried another usb sound device and I get the same results. |
| 18:33.23 | KotCzarny | vectis, same being 'no device' or reboot? |
| 18:33.47 | vectis | audio noise then reboot |
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| 18:47.07 | KotCzarny | i wonder if i get reboots on capture because it tries to use too much power |
| 18:48.48 | KotCzarny | bah, no. arecord worked fine |
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| 18:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: |
| 18:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pa |
| 18:57.28 | infobot | methinks pa is PAY ATTENTION!!!!!, or ~pulseaudio |
| 18:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pulseaudio |
| 18:57.45 | infobot | hmm... pulseaudio is aka PolypAudio, or <KotCzarny> For the uninitiated, pulse stands for "painfully useless linux sound engineers" |
| 18:57.54 | KotCzarny | har har |
| 18:58.07 | KotCzarny | pulseaudio should die in a fire |
| 18:58.29 | KotCzarny | also, my alsa coding skill suck |
| 18:59.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | My N900 simply lost network :-((( |
| 18:59.45 | KotCzarny | doc, would you like helping a bit? it's a simple alsa record&play, and can be done on pc |
| 18:59.55 | KotCzarny | doc: reboot? search manually? |
| 19:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no "No SIM!", not problems to get IMEI, simply "No Network" |
| 19:00.13 | KotCzarny | could be ether noise |
| 19:00.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | rebooted, removed battery |
| 19:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | cleaned SIM contacts |
| 19:00.35 | KotCzarny | put the card into other phone? |
| 19:00.43 | KotCzarny | maybe you're out of the range? |
| 19:00.53 | KotCzarny | someone banned your imei? |
| 19:00.59 | KotCzarny | check different sim? |
| 19:01.10 | KotCzarny | different gsm network? |
| 19:01.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it worked this noon, and the afternoon I noticed it had no interet data despite showing bogux 8 bars signal in a souterrain |
| 19:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I switched from dual to 3G and it had no signal, I switched back to dual: no signal |
| 19:02.46 | KotCzarny | yeah, happened few times to me too, but usually going into offline mode then back fixed it |
| 19:03.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | did that: no signal |
| 19:03.11 | KotCzarny | get out of the house? |
| 19:03.25 | KotCzarny | also, if you search for networks manually does it show anyother networks? |
| 19:03.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I was in a shopping mall when I noticed, usually no signal there. Now I'm home and zilch changed |
| 19:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | searching for networks isn't feasible, clicking on "telephone" in settings gives me a "No Signal" yellow bar |
| 19:05.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird shit |
| 19:05.36 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:05.45 | KotCzarny | could be dead gsm chip :/ |
| 19:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, strange version of dead GSM |
| 19:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | RF forntend chip borked |
| 19:07.48 | KotCzarny | had some thunderstorms lately? |
| 19:07.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, why can't I get into settings->telephone |
| 19:08.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 19:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it worked a 6h ago |
| 19:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5 actually |
| 19:08.21 | KotCzarny | it could be delayed failure |
| 19:08.30 | KotCzarny | ie. fried partially, then died |
| 19:09.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I recharged my prepaid a 8h ago, and switched "internet access"-"connect automatically" from WLAN back to "ANY connection" |
| 19:09.58 | KotCzarny | maybe it just died from overuse |
| 19:10.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | removes battery and SIM |
| 19:11.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders reflashing --cmt-only |
| 19:11.51 | KotCzarny | what would reflash do? |
| 19:12.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea? show it works, show it fails, make it resume normal operation... or not |
| 19:13.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah pnatd |
| 19:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | will try pnatd next |
| 19:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, removed SIM, shows "No SIM" icon |
| 19:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | settings->Phone "Cellular network not available" is obviously normal |
| 19:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | compared to another device without SIM |
| 19:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | only mine shown it while there was a SIM inserted, and no "No SIM!" icon |
| 19:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | inserts SIM into another phone |
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| 19:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | rotfl, I prolly at least after reboot hit "skip" instead of "ok" after entering PIN |
| 19:22.27 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 19:22.37 | KotCzarny | not sleeping enoug?> |
| 19:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
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| 19:24.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | bear with me, 37°C outside, normally I wouldn't have left my nice cool flat |
| 19:24.54 | KotCzarny | move to poland |
| 19:25.01 | KotCzarny | you would miss the heat |
| 19:25.24 | KotCzarny | it's the middle of the summer, yet, it's in 18-25C range |
| 19:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | still this doesn't explain the initial fsckup |
| 19:26.36 | KotCzarny | first time 'no network' on n900? |
| 19:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know that shopping mall, I usually barely have any signal where this time it claimed 100% but no network |
| 19:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | HATES that slotmachine date selector in welcome screen |
| 19:28.16 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 19:28.25 | KotCzarny | ignore it and just hit ntpupdate icon? |
| 19:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | honesty which idiot thought a simple calendar view was not leete enough? |
| 19:29.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3G \/ |
| 19:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ :-))) |
| 19:29.21 | KotCzarny | the same as those who designed calendar app? |
| 19:35.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | *really* *funny* how the N900 act up when you _skip_ the PIN |
| 19:36.52 | kerio | smartphones should really decide whether they're phones or computers with phones |
| 19:39.18 | KotCzarny | n900 is a computer with phone module |
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| 20:07.22 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: welcome screen --> some C++ developer... |
| 20:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | payap |
| 20:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yep |
| 20:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | this damn thing is prolly the most eyecandy overkill least functional app on whole maemo, ever |
| 20:09.17 | KotCzarny | apart from marketing videos included on emmc ? |
| 20:09.20 | Pali | Package: hildon-welcome, Version: 0.23-2+0m5, Description: Splashscreen This package contains the program which shows the welcome animation., Maintainer: Gabriel Schulhof <gabriel.schulhof@nokia.com> |
| 20:09.38 | L29Ah | i wonder if it can be purged safely |
| 20:09.40 | Pali | now you can blame nokias people... |
| 20:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | om harmatten they did it the other way around: everything Nokia had eyecandy but was quite useful, and they removed the eyecandy for crappy versions of the maemo "eyecandy" gadgets, for the SDK |
| 20:11.27 | Pali | hm... source code available?? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-welcome/hildon-welcome_0.23-2+0m5.tar.gz |
| 20:11.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: it can get purged with no negative effects |
| 20:12.41 | Pali | ah... no :-( wrong package... welcome animation is that Nokia hands |
| 20:12.50 | Pali | and package contains simple video player |
| 20:13.04 | L29Ah | :D |
| 20:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I guess that's the shakehands stuff |
| 20:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I meant the "set language, zone, time, date" stuff |
| 20:13.53 | Pali | yes |
| 20:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never can tell apart the names of those two |
| 20:14.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why don't you just uninstall it? |
| 20:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | good question |
| 20:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly because I never get the name right |
| 20:15.07 | KotCzarny | maybe because most normal people see it once per few years mostly |
| 20:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | that too :-) |
| 20:16.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should fix bupbat |
| 20:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I never would see it again |
| 20:17.36 | Sicelo | sees it a lot now :( |
| 20:17.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, nuking dat crap would be best approach, if only I knew the name of the binary |
| 20:18.00 | Sicelo | exchanging batteries daily, and bupbat died loong ago |
| 20:18.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: tried fastswap? |
| 20:18.33 | Pali | Package: osso-startup-wizard, Version: 2.3.99-85+0m5, Depends: .. libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1) ..., Description: Startup Wizard The startup wizard is the first GUI the user sees, Maintainer: Karoliina Salminen <karoliina.t.salminen@nokia.com> |
| 20:18.37 | Pali | this one ^^^ |
| 20:18.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | osso-startup-wizard !!! |
| 20:18.57 | KotCzarny | replace it with something nice |
| 20:18.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: thanks a megaton |
| 20:19.12 | Pali | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages/osso-startup-wizard |
| 20:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: /bin/true :-) |
| 20:19.27 | KotCzarny | or just with delayed ntpdate pool.ntp.org call |
| 20:19.28 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 20:19.31 | Pali | If removed: *Not critical package *If date/time is lost, they are not asked during bootup, but set to Jan 1st 2000. |
| 20:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | is that a comment somewhere? |
| 20:20.28 | Sicelo | fastswap ... yes, when i had working USB .. cool stuff ;) |
| 20:20.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 20:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | on that webpage |
| 20:20.54 | Pali | yes, on above page ^^^^^ |
| 20:22.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess deleting /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard suffices? |
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| 20:24.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | moved it to ~root/ |
| 20:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's see if I bricked device |
| 20:25.18 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 20:25.23 | L29Ah | Package hildon-welcome is not installed, so not removed |
| 20:25.32 | L29Ah | i wonder how did that happen |
| 20:25.44 | KotCzarny | you were scrubbing it before |
| 20:25.46 | KotCzarny | most likely |
| 20:25.47 | L29Ah | Pali: :* |
| 20:27.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | YEEHAAA no osso-fuckup-wizard anymore |
| 20:27.59 | KotCzarny | little things.. |
| 20:28.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:28.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's see how long it takes till time/date is set automatically from network |
| 20:28.37 | KotCzarny | not long |
| 20:28.47 | KotCzarny | getting on the network takes much longer |
| 20:29.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems it doesn't adjust time, so far |
| 20:29.34 | Sicelo | by network you mean an IP network, you cellular operator? |
| 20:29.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:30.09 | Sicelo | s/you/or/ |
| 20:30.15 | Sicelo | meh |
| 20:30.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:30.31 | KotCzarny | typo day |
| 20:30.36 | KotCzarny | luckily it's almost over |
| 20:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, I had "automatic update" disabled in date&time |
| 20:31.16 | Sicelo | interestingly auto-update doesn't work on my 2nd N900 ... this N900 has a few quirks |
| 20:32.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | time ok, after fixing "auto-update2 for time&date |
| 20:33.19 | Sicelo | but it seems to also fsck up tracker (for those of us who still have it) |
| 20:33.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | now just one more hickup of the day: this damn very IRC client eats 100% of one of my CPU cores |
| 20:34.23 | KotCzarny | use ssh+irssi ? |
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| 21:33.55 | KotCzarny | wow, i got gtkgep working on n8x0 |
| 21:35.37 | KotCzarny | ..sort of |
| 21:39.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | dang, under settings->phone at the bottom there's "pin query" and unchecking it asks me for pin and says I entered wrong one GRRRRR |
| 21:39.53 | KotCzarny | it's sim pin |
| 21:39.57 | KotCzarny | not the phone pin |
| 21:40.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | of course |
| 21:40.10 | KotCzarny | and you can disable sim pin via ussd code |
| 21:40.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh, that's not the problem |
| 21:40.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | I know my sim pin, the dang phone doesn't |
| 21:41.07 | KotCzarny | maybe it's the phone pin then |
| 21:41.12 | KotCzarny | try 12345 |
| 21:43.17 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 21:43.31 | ShadowJK | I can't remeber if I disabled sim pin on N900 or on E75 |
| 21:43.44 | ShadowJK | Did it when the first N900 started modem failure cycle anyway :) |
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| 21:44.47 | KotCzarny | doc overload |
| 21:44.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | hi ShadowJK |
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| 21:52.58 | endso | whaazza? gtkgep on n8x0... sort of?...hm..is it still Michael Bay 'splodin'? |
| 21:53.19 | KotCzarny | well, it reads and writes to audio device |
| 21:53.31 | KotCzarny | but sound is garbled |
| 21:54.16 | KotCzarny | anyone knowledgable with alsa and c code and willing to take a look? |
| 21:54.53 | KotCzarny | (143 lines, including blanks) |
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