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| 02:38.44 | ZetaR | Are there any Bitcoin clients compiled for Fremantle? |
| 02:40.07 | ZetaR | I have looked through extras/testing/develpment and didn't see anything with "bitcoin" in the title, but I thought there could be one under a different name. |
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| 06:41.52 | sixwheeledbeast | ZetaR: talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66756 |
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| 13:05.05 | DerHat | Hi, i just removed 4 packages like opengles by fault and dont remember the names. now i can access device using ssh but screen hangs some times (while all other keep working). can i flash directly from the device using the flasher tool from repo? |
| 13:05.16 | DerHat | because my f****** usb port is broken |
| 13:05.23 | KotCzarny | ~0xfffff |
| 13:05.24 | KotCzarny | ~0xffff |
| 13:05.25 | infobot | methinks 0xffff is https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 |
| 13:05.32 | KotCzarny | ~0xFFFF |
| 13:05.32 | infobot | from memory, 0xffff is https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 |
| 13:05.48 | KotCzarny | see ^ |
| 13:06.05 | bencoh | I'd try reinstall the 4 packages first |
| 13:06.06 | KotCzarny | but watch out |
| 13:06.19 | DerHat | bencoh but i dont remember names :/ |
| 13:06.22 | KotCzarny | flashing live fs could be fatal |
| 13:06.49 | KotCzarny | derhat: want a dpkg -l from my device? |
| 13:06.52 | bencoh | DerHat: dont you have it in your bash history ? |
| 13:06.57 | bencoh | or in your apt logs ? |
| 13:07.16 | DerHat | bencoh: i looked at /var/log/aptitude but it wasnt there |
| 13:07.28 | DerHat | it is maybe 3 days ago and 100 reboots :D |
| 13:09.01 | DerHat | KotCzarny: fs = RX-51...VANILLA...bin and emmc = RX-51...COMBINED...bin, right? |
| 13:09.20 | KotCzarny | how do i check? but last time i remember it was stock fremantle 1.3 |
| 13:11.28 | DerHat | KotCzarny: can i get your dpkg -l please ^^ |
| 13:11.35 | KotCzarny | preparing |
| 13:11.53 | KotCzarny | mind you, its my system, so expect many packages not needed for os |
| 13:11.59 | KotCzarny | but you can always do diff |
| 13:14.43 | KotCzarny | https://transfer.sh/1fgz6N/fremantle1.3-custom.txt |
| 13:15.43 | DerHat | can i also get a "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list" or "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"? |
| 13:16.01 | KotCzarny | deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ |
| 13:16.01 | KotCzarny | deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 13:16.01 | KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free |
| 13:16.01 | KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free |
| 13:16.08 | KotCzarny | ^ hildon-application-manager.list |
| 13:16.27 | KotCzarny | sources.list is empty |
| 13:18.15 | DerHat | thx KotCzarny |
| 13:18.24 | KotCzarny | but seriously, there should be a 'default config' wiki page on maemo.org |
| 13:19.14 | DerHat | yea, i never found mirrors.muarf.org and community testing! |
| 13:19.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:19.24 | KotCzarny | now you do |
| 13:19.34 | KotCzarny | and might be key to install those system packages |
| 13:20.30 | DerHat | lol http://pastebin.com/yHWktafa |
| 13:20.33 | KotCzarny | community-testing is not needed tho, unless you want to participate. and i would just use extras-devel :P |
| 13:20.44 | DerHat | yes, i tryed reinstall hildon-* but never found anyone |
| 13:21.07 | DerHat | extras-devel i found on repository.maemo.org :) |
| 13:21.18 | KotCzarny | yes, but dont keep it enabled |
| 13:21.26 | KotCzarny | might break your device easily |
| 13:21.32 | KotCzarny | s/device/system/ |
| 13:21.59 | DerHat | xD |
| 13:22.28 | DerHat | you told us! |
| 13:24.54 | KotCzarny | but upgrade didnt find those missing deps |
| 13:25.03 | KotCzarny | so you still have to do a diff |
| 13:25.22 | KotCzarny | use: dpkg --get-selections |
| 13:25.35 | KotCzarny | then diff |
| 13:26.08 | DerHat | these 4 packages could not get upgraded, so i removed them X: |
| 13:26.37 | KotCzarny | i mean those 4 NOT on the list |
| 13:26.53 | KotCzarny | you still have to find what you removed earlier |
| 13:36.26 | DerHat | u mean the 4 i removed from the list! but maybe a apt-get upgrade will do that, because it upgrade maemo and hildon packages and see dependencies. |
| 13:36.39 | KotCzarny | nope, it didnt find them |
| 13:36.47 | KotCzarny | because there is no 'installing new' |
| 13:43.55 | DerHat | KotCzarny: after upgrade i can see clock now unlike before, but still freeze! |
| 13:44.08 | KotCzarny | find the missing ones |
| 13:44.09 | DerHat | and upgrade failed on replacing microb-engine |
| 13:44.24 | KotCzarny | most likely you miss something hildon related |
| 13:44.34 | KotCzarny | but just diff the lists |
| 13:46.55 | DerHat | realy hard to find, is there any error log file could help me? |
| 13:47.09 | KotCzarny | do you have 2 lists? |
| 13:52.16 | DerHat | yes but mine is a little bit diff |
| 13:52.25 | KotCzarny | you mean? |
| 13:53.09 | DerHat | yours is e.g. yappari |
| 13:53.15 | DerHat | and mine: ii yappari |
| 13:53.24 | KotCzarny | use --get-selections not -l |
| 13:54.28 | ZetaR | sixwheeledbeast: Thanks for the link, but it seems the relevant bitcoin forum page/software is unavailable, even on archive.org. Unfortunately it seems that the software never made it into any repository that I can find. |
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| 14:14.46 | DerHat | well, cant boot anymore :/ |
| 14:19.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | DerHat: FLASHING ON-DEVICE DOESN'T WORK |
| 14:19.53 | KotCzarny | doc: unless you flash from ramdisk booted os |
| 14:19.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:20.06 | DerHat | too late, anyway thx |
| 14:20.41 | DerHat | flash screen show up but win32 says "suitable dev not found, waiting" |
| 14:21.07 | DerHat | i hold u while connected via usb and then insert battery |
| 14:21.31 | KotCzarny | but you've said your usb port is b0rken |
| 14:21.50 | DerHat | my command: flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51...COMBINED...bin -f |
| 14:21.58 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 14:21.59 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 14:21.59 | DerHat | some times it works, needs time to play with |
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| 14:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: even then |
| 14:25.15 | KotCzarny | huh? |
| 14:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | flashing depends on NOLO |
| 14:25.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you can't run NOLO when you run any system on device |
| 14:25.45 | KotCzarny | even with 0xffff ? |
| 14:25.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:25.59 | KotCzarny | how does 0xffff work then? |
| 14:26.14 | KotCzarny | i've always thought it just writes flash |
| 14:26.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it talks to device via USB, on device there is a special software running that has full and exclusive access to whole NAND |
| 14:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | coldflashing runs a special NOLO version in RAM to flash NOLO to NAND |
| 14:27.20 | KotCzarny | uhum |
| 14:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | all other flashing is done by running NAND-based NOLO |
| 14:28.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | alternatively you *could* use uBoot if you had a matchng flasher prog on your PC |
| 14:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | once linux booted on device, you hardly can flash anything the usual way |
| 14:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's closest to on-device flashing is backupmenu-restore |
| 14:30.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *could* do mtdutils or nandwrite flashing under linux on device, but you need the proper image for that |
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| 14:31.24 | KotCzarny | so mtdtools still work? |
| 14:31.41 | KotCzarny | in fact i though 0xffff was a maemo fork of mtdtools |
| 14:31.46 | KotCzarny | *thought |
| 14:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, 0xffff is a alternative flasher-3.5 |
| 14:32.29 | L29Ah | why wouldn't they? |
| 14:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | while mtdutils is a on-device app |
| 14:33.39 | KotCzarny | i see an idea for restoreos |
| 14:33.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:33.57 | KotCzarny | backup/restore system to/from os or network |
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| 14:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | rescueOS runs in RAM and thus can safely flash NAND |
| 14:34.32 | KotCzarny | that's the idea |
| 14:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | but 0xFFFF is not made to do this |
| 14:34.51 | KotCzarny | yeah, i know now |
| 14:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need your own tools and concept to accomplish such flashing |
| 14:35.18 | KotCzarny | 256M isnt that much |
| 14:35.26 | KotCzarny | and you can pipe it through lzop |
| 14:35.44 | KotCzarny | i would simply save/restore whole thing |
| 14:36.04 | KotCzarny | ie. 'clean stock fremantle' or 'clean current cssu' |
| 14:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 14:37.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | much appreciated |
| 14:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | so far we only have a "clean maemo backupmenu image" |
| 14:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is a possible solution for DerHat |
| 14:38.31 | KotCzarny | he still would need to boot the device |
| 14:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 14:38.46 | DerHat | ): |
| 14:38.55 | DerHat | clean maemo image? where do i find that |
| 14:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | but only until backupmenu |
| 14:40.13 | KotCzarny | there is still issue of onboard sd |
| 14:40.42 | KotCzarny | but that could be solved by some pre-prepared data too |
| 14:40.53 | DerHat | now it shows only white nokia logo or if keyboard is open multiboot with no bootable option... |
| 14:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops sorry, I mixed that up: >>Here's a rootfs image from my N900 with BackupMenu 0.50-3 installed: flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img. This image can be flashed with the Nokia flasher, significantly reducing restore time if you have a "bricked" system.<< |
| 14:41.29 | KotCzarny | that's assuming you have backupmenu |
| 14:41.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, *this* is assuming you can flash |
| 14:42.21 | KotCzarny | that too |
| 14:42.32 | DerHat | but i cant charge battery |
| 14:42.43 | KotCzarny | derhat: use rescueos |
| 14:42.52 | DerHat | ? |
| 14:42.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | rescueOS needs USB |
| 14:43.00 | KotCzarny | ahm, nvm, bad usb |
| 14:43.13 | DerHat | usb works, some times :D |
| 14:43.27 | KotCzarny | dont everflex it |
| 14:43.38 | DerHat | just cant charge because of this nokia logo, it wont go ahead |
| 14:43.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | DerHat: you *could* install backupmenu and then find a clean-maemo backup archive and restore that |
| 14:43.43 | KotCzarny | prepare flasher and try to restore stock image |
| 14:43.54 | KotCzarny | doc: he cant boot anything at the moment |
| 14:43.56 | DerHat | DocScrutinizer05 no i cant boot device |
| 14:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 14:44.18 | KotCzarny | stuck at nokia logo |
| 14:44.24 | DerHat | and it wont flash if battery level is to low |
| 14:44.24 | KotCzarny | most likely b0rked main fs |
| 14:44.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you can't boot and you got broken USB port, you're between a stone and a hard place |
| 14:44.37 | DerHat | KotCzarny: i got multiboot installed |
| 14:44.53 | DerHat | for nitdroid, but i never do that again |
| 14:45.00 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 14:45.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 14:45.13 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 14:46.18 | DerHat | right, this made my nokia unbootable |
| 14:47.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what's the status of your USB? broken or just defunct due to software problems? |
| 14:47.42 | KotCzarny | broken, but works with wiggling |
| 14:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 14:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're pretty much in a pinch |
| 14:48.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | fix the USB port |
| 14:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 has no alternative way to get you out of this deadlock |
| 14:48.52 | DerHat | KotCzarny: wiggling? seriously? |
| 14:49.12 | KotCzarny | derhat: that's what i understood from 'works sometimes' |
| 14:49.26 | DerHat | lol ok, i try that :D |
| 14:49.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | NO!!!!! |
| 14:49.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't |
| 14:49.59 | DerHat | ok |
| 14:50.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | DerHat: is your USB port known to be mechanically broken? |
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| 14:51.38 | DerHat | its broken, i fixed last time by soldering but broke again |
| 14:52.26 | DerHat | i also stabilized by insert some paper between usb and case |
| 14:53.13 | ZetaR | DerHat: I would open the case and check the port. If you tear off the PCB contacts for the USB port with unbootable firmware then the only way to fix it would be to go through the diagnostic pins. |
| 14:53.52 | KotCzarny | or buying another one |
| 14:54.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | DerHat: with physically broken USB your're screwed |
| 14:55.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | only alternative: use testpoints under battery |
| 14:55.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | or fix USB again - which is the preferrable alternative |
| 14:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe this time do it right |
| 14:56.40 | DerHat | it is still able to detect usb connection, just wont flash now error: suitable usb dev not found, waiting..." |
| 14:56.58 | KotCzarny | turn it off first |
| 14:57.07 | DerHat | i removed battery |
| 14:57.11 | KotCzarny | start flasher, wait for 'waiting for' then connect |
| 14:57.19 | DerHat | done |
| 14:57.26 | KotCzarny | and only move cable at the pc side |
| 14:57.30 | DerHat | its not the first time i flash this device |
| 14:57.41 | KotCzarny | immobilize it somehow on the n900 side |
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| 15:10.20 | DerHat | yellow led turned on while try to flash, but still "suitable dev not found..." |
| 15:11.43 | KotCzarny | let it charge if it pulses |
| 15:11.47 | KotCzarny | you will need it anyway |
| 15:13.02 | DerHat | no, its just static lid while try to flash |
| 15:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're lowbat-deadlocked |
| 15:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flatbatrecover |
| 15:14.26 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) |
| 15:14.29 | KotCzarny | charge in other device? |
| 15:14.40 | KotCzarny | or just boot rescueos |
| 15:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bootloop |
| 15:14.41 | infobot | methinks bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
| 15:15.06 | DerHat | rescueos? |
| 15:15.12 | DerHat | ~rescueos |
| 15:15.12 | infobot | it has been said that rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 15:15.38 | DerHat | how to install? |
| 15:15.44 | KotCzarny | you dont install |
| 15:15.50 | KotCzarny | you boot via same flasher |
| 15:15.53 | DerHat | how to load |
| 15:15.56 | KotCzarny | read the link |
| 15:15.59 | DerHat | ok |
| 15:16.31 | KotCzarny | but remember flasher line differs slightly, so read cautiously |
| 15:16.56 | DerHat | why rescueos? i can also flash maemo to make it working |
| 15:17.19 | KotCzarny | you cant flash without battery charged to some extent |
| 15:19.10 | DerHat | i can flash rescueos with low battery? |
| 15:19.50 | KotCzarny | you dont flash rescueos |
| 15:19.56 | KotCzarny | you boot via flasher cmd line |
| 15:20.03 | KotCzarny | then you can start charging script |
| 15:20.07 | KotCzarny | told you, read the readme |
| 15:20.26 | DerHat | This is a download-only location. For documentation and scripts, |
| 15:20.27 | DerHat | refer to https://github.com/NIN101/N900_RescueOS |
| 15:20.32 | DerHat | this is the readme |
| 15:20.35 | KotCzarny | http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/rescueOS-1.2/documentation.txt |
| 15:20.38 | KotCzarny | this is the readme |
| 15:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks it's pretty difficult to get somebody out of a ^2 pitfall of broken-USB*flatbat |
| 15:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | one (flatbatt) blocking flashing 100% reliably, and the suggested fix (rescueOS) depends on the other (broken USB) giving you a 30% chance to just boot to the system which will then use the same broken USB to charge |
| 15:26.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so prepare for a two dozen aborting/failing tries before you even charged battery |
| 15:27.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I recommend chatging battery externally |
| 15:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | charging* |
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| 15:34.18 | DerHat | in n9 are also so many problems? |
| 15:34.31 | KotCzarny | n9 has its own problems (software) |
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| 15:37.39 | KotCzarny | derhat, i have my n900 for 6 years, usb port is working 100%, so its user handling in big part too |
| 15:38.29 | DerHat | i told a friend to charge on his computer, he broke my port! not me :D |
| 15:38.49 | KotCzarny | doh |
| 15:39.43 | KotCzarny | first rule of electronics, dont let other people touch it |
| 15:39.58 | L29Ah | ~usbfix |
| 15:39.58 | infobot | i guess usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt |
| 15:40.56 | L29Ah | infobot: usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and take care when using epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt |
| 15:40.56 | infobot | L29Ah: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 15:41.02 | L29Ah | ;[ |
| 15:47.24 | DerHat | what should happen if i put usb in without battery? |
| 15:47.29 | KotCzarny | nothing |
| 15:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | zilch |
| 15:47.36 | DerHat | no led? |
| 15:47.37 | KotCzarny | battery is required |
| 15:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | after a 20min actually the steady yellow comes up - sometimes |
| 15:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | means nothing though, except "there's voltage on USB" |
| 15:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you watch extremely closely, you can see the 200microseconds of yellow LED flashing when connecting |
| 15:57.21 | veikko | any emacs users around? |
| 15:58.04 | veikko | Im interested about the best way to map alt key in emacs |
| 15:58.17 | bencoh | meta ? |
| 15:58.20 | veikko | yes |
| 15:58.31 | bencoh | most term emulators map ESC to meta |
| 15:58.51 | sixwheeledbeast | ZetaR: Well unfortunately that's the only working Bitcoin related thread on TMO. Maybe you can find bitcoind and compile it for maemo? |
| 15:59.03 | veikko | good to know, thanks |
| 15:59.20 | veikko | I think I've mapped ESC to fn+shift left-key |
| 16:01.28 | veikko | true, it works as meta |
| 16:02.09 | bencoh | :) |
| 16:02.18 | bencoh | reminds me of http://s.mlkshk-cdn.com/r/37ET |
| 16:03.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 16:05.13 | veikko | :D |
| 16:06.17 | veikko | "work" |
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| 18:20.55 | endso | aHa! back in the saddle again [singing] |
| 18:23.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:23.57 | KotCzarny | word of warning, irc is a big time waster |
| 18:24.11 | endso | had a hell of a time with my old handle.. |
| 18:24.19 | KotCzarny | you dont need a handle |
| 18:24.45 | KotCzarny | all this registering is.. well.. unnecessary imo |
| 18:26.46 | endso | well I'm a member of the voting minority so having ducks in a row definitely is chalenging :D esp. when I've forgotten my garage and community logins and passwords |
| 18:27.21 | endso | gotta work on those one day soon here |
| 18:28.11 | KotCzarny | just hit 'new password' on the login form? |
| 18:28.17 | KotCzarny | and email as a login |
| 18:28.45 | KotCzarny | ok, n800 is charging (luckily i've found it's charger) |
| 18:29.46 | endso | yeah ..it probably is that simple as "new login" ... I'm always figuring things are faaaar more complex :D |
| 18:30.20 | KotCzarny | nah, click lost password and enter email as a login |
| 18:30.30 | KotCzarny | or if there is specific field for it |
| 18:32.40 | endso | I'll deal with that this evening ...too much multi-tasking [gets up for a cup of joe] |
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| 18:39.53 | endso | yeah...multi-tasking...can't spend long on here at the mo. "wash" day here...bedding...dog..Eddie [my 1-eyed, 3-legged bud doesn't care for "wash" day] |
| 18:40.11 | KotCzarny | no worries, just leave the window somewhere minimized |
| 18:43.47 | endso | yeah..back once I'm done...picked a hellava busy day [for me] to get gtkgep functioning Kot :D |
| 18:44.07 | KotCzarny | no worries, i'll try to port it to esound |
| 18:44.16 | KotCzarny | might take a bit, few docs |
| 18:45.32 | endso | ah...it'll be good to give the finger to all the buggers running amplitube off their phones :D |
| 18:45.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:46.04 | KotCzarny | porting it to gtk2 would be swell too, but it will be much more work |
| 18:47.44 | endso | hm...do you think we can get it running proper at least intially with gtk? I'm jones'n |
| 18:48.17 | KotCzarny | it works 100% with n900 now |
| 18:48.33 | KotCzarny | i don't expect anything troubling once i switch oss to esd |
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| 18:48.45 | endso | grand |
| 18:49.25 | KotCzarny | unless n8x0 esd is quirky and interfere with audio stream (latency, cpu clog etc) |
| 18:49.56 | endso | hmmm... |
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| 18:51.53 | endso | I did play with the interface via n900..and found it awkward with the windows popping up filling the whole bloody screen...isn't friendly for changing or configuring inputs on the fly |
| 18:52.21 | KotCzarny | yeah, but thats the way author made it |
| 18:52.36 | KotCzarny | tabs would be nice |
| 18:52.37 | endso | correction not "inputs" rather "plugin" |
| 18:52.45 | KotCzarny | "effects" |
| 18:52.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:52.59 | endso | fx :D |
| 18:53.19 | KotCzarny | still, it works, and if you only need particular effects set, it works |
| 18:53.27 | endso | sooo nice to be able to say that in conjunction with the tablets now... |
| 18:53.51 | KotCzarny | if you are impatient, you can always use esddsp wrapper |
| 18:54.15 | KotCzarny | don't know if it wraps capturing too, but it should |
| 18:54.19 | endso | tabs would be a better method than the whole screen |
| 18:55.13 | endso | naw I'm a patient..been working away at gtkgep long enough...learned some small modicum of patience from it |
| 18:56.49 | endso | kills me...you put it all together in a heartbeat what has taken me sloggin' through swampland it seems :D |
| 18:57.10 | KotCzarny | everyone has some talent |
| 19:00.06 | endso | well thanks to you and Android 808 and a few more people we now have gtkgep...and that will be a great allure to old and new maemoans alike... |
| 19:00.17 | KotCzarny | well, i didnt use their work |
| 19:00.31 | KotCzarny | i just grabbed gtkgep and compiled it in scratchbox |
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| 19:05.41 | endso | well ...my thanks extend to all... it has been an education in audio for sure ... for me ... |
| 19:06.48 | KotCzarny | you should play with osc pixos one day |
| 19:11.59 | endso | osc pixos ...don't know that one. |
| 19:12.52 | KotCzarny | it's my app to turn few lines of c code into: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGg-uhy6t3E |
| 19:13.21 | KotCzarny | or: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAwoFZKUSQ |
| 19:13.44 | KotCzarny | or: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsGFinU22zA |
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| 19:27.31 | endso | impressive very |
| 19:28.28 | KotCzarny | hmm, now, where did i put libesddsp |
| 19:28.50 | KotCzarny | (going lazy way, it works so far on n8x0, but i need to add wrapper) |
| 19:32.56 | KotCzarny | hrm, no full-duplex? |
| 19:33.09 | KotCzarny | i think n8x0 doesn't support full-duplex |
| 19:33.34 | endso | meaningggg ? |
| 19:33.43 | KotCzarny | needs usb audio |
| 19:33.46 | KotCzarny | in short |
| 19:33.53 | endso | ahhh |
| 19:34.00 | KotCzarny | unless you use network audio as input or outpu |
| 19:34.01 | KotCzarny | t |
| 19:34.55 | KotCzarny | that's with wrapper, but afair n8x0 had trouble with internet phone apps anyway due to lack of fullduplex |
| 19:35.44 | endso | hm... |
| 19:38.03 | KotCzarny | btw. as for n900 as a guitar amp, pair it with fm transmitter |
| 19:38.04 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:38.25 | KotCzarny | ie. play guitar/harp on neighbours radios |
| 19:38.53 | endso | hahaha |
| 19:38.56 | KotCzarny | now.. THAT's something ;) |
| 19:39.15 | KotCzarny | pity it's quality is a bit.. low |
| 19:39.18 | KotCzarny | but still, funny |
| 19:39.54 | endso | oh man there is gonna be alotta people upset at only 1 station "radio endsormeans" :D |
| 19:40.05 | KotCzarny | nah, transmit power is low |
| 19:40.14 | KotCzarny | so don't expect it to override air radios |
| 19:40.24 | KotCzarny | but tuned to empty freq it should work |
| 19:40.55 | KotCzarny | 'i don't have an amp with me.. but i have car radio!' |
| 19:41.12 | KotCzarny | now you only need packaging and a cool name |
| 19:41.29 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.33 | KotCzarny | k, food time |
| 19:43.53 | endso | yeah I gotta give Eddie a bath and do some domestics around here...back when I'm done. |
| 19:44.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | uh it's you endso |
| 19:44.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | new nick |
| 19:44.58 | endso | hey Doc!... how you doin? :D |
| 19:45.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | very busy |
| 19:46.03 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:46.14 | KotCzarny | another idea, n800 has fm-receiver |
| 19:46.21 | KotCzarny | n900 has fm-transmitter |
| 19:46.24 | KotCzarny | hint, hint |
| 19:46.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | just explained on chaos computer club chan why I don't like Jolla (or any of the other Android shared-RAM hw platforms) |
| 19:47.09 | KotCzarny | did they take it well? |
| 19:47.14 | KotCzarny | or were you banned? |
| 19:47.15 | endso | hehehee |
| 19:47.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think they did |
| 19:47.30 | endso | hahahaahaa |
| 19:48.52 | endso | okokok I wish I could stay..but I gotta give Eddie his bath...back when I'm done |
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| 20:16.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2015/07/14/nokia-android-smartphone-plans/ |
| 20:16.30 | KotCzarny | we need more linux phones |
| 20:16.35 | KotCzarny | not another droid.. |
| 20:16.58 | kerio | That means identifying a partner that can be responsible for all of the manufacturing, sales, marketing and customer support for a product. |
| 20:17.00 | kerio | ayy lmao |
| 20:17.42 | KotCzarny | on another note, m$ is not doing well? or just 'sploring enemy territory? |
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| 20:23.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((did they take it well?)) seems the problem of shared ram and proprietary closed supervisor on ring0 was new to them though |
| 20:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, new to one of them at least |
| 20:59.41 | ecc3g | pine |
| 20:59.48 | ecc3g | argh wrong window |
| 20:59.55 | KotCzarny | such is life |
| 21:22.52 | kerio | in moscow |
| 21:25.19 | endso | ah..well have one clean pup...domestic issue no.12 of the day done... |
| 21:25.48 | KotCzarny | it's useless, it will get dirty in no time |
| 21:26.20 | KotCzarny | it's either home pup or stinky pup |
| 21:26.57 | KotCzarny | also, skype worked on n8x0, so maybe it's the esd wrapper failing |
| 21:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | esd wrapper? |
| 21:27.22 | KotCzarny | esddsp |
| 21:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 21:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't know skype using esd |
| 21:28.11 | KotCzarny | n8x0 has esound |
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| 21:28.29 | KotCzarny | so unless it killed the daemon, it was using it |
| 21:28.50 | KotCzarny | hmm, which gives me an idea, he he |
| 21:28.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, they never got audio right, that's why I stopped betatesting their crap. Then I kicked it off all my devices when it started sucking on security and draining my N900 battery |
| 21:28.59 | endso | Hahaha thankfully he doesn't roll in the dirt or flop down in mud puddles .....So Kot ...no hope for gtkgep on the n8x0 then...odd I'd swear diablo turbo for sure already had esd ..I know it's in the ASUI |
| 21:29.31 | KotCzarny | endso, i didn't say my final word on that |
| 21:29.51 | endso | well there is a relief |
| 21:30.39 | KotCzarny | gonna kill the esd and open /dev/dsp directly |
| 21:30.47 | endso | It has to be some process kicking the crap out of it... |
| 21:32.03 | endso | uh-oh...time for a Michael Bay 'splosion... |
| 21:33.25 | L29Ah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itXjAuUTs2U |
| 21:34.17 | KotCzarny | ah, right, the marvelous /dev/dsptask* circus |
| 21:34.24 | endso | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ssUivM-eM |
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| 21:55.44 | KotCzarny | wow, catting noise into /dev/dsptask/pcm1 closed ssh connection |
| 21:55.59 | KotCzarny | funky |
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| 21:58.39 | KotCzarny | and dmesg is full of happy omapdsp |
| 21:59.37 | KotCzarny | and wtf is multimediad |
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| 22:19.07 | endso | multimediad(aemon) perhaps? |
| 22:19.22 | KotCzarny | don't believe the names |
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| 22:31.14 | endso | hm....I do believe it is very much so the Multimedia Daemon...refer to ASUI for more deets on it. If it is giving you probs...hm... |
| 22:31.45 | KotCzarny | nah, just grumbling |
| 22:31.49 | endso | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/advanced-systemui/settings/services.c?root=asui&view=markup |
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| 23:01.28 | KotCzarny | that audio system on n8x0 is.. fsckedup |
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| 23:08.54 | endso | beauty ain't she? |
| 23:09.56 | KotCzarny | playing works, untill i try to record |
| 23:12.00 | KotCzarny | hrm, alsa output still works |
| 23:16.41 | endso | hold it a sec..just to know here's you at :D ...forget recording for a mo...so running gtkgep works on the n800? |
| 23:17.01 | KotCzarny | sure, no problem at all |
| 23:17.11 | KotCzarny | i'm hacking at the audio system though |
| 23:17.29 | KotCzarny | so far tried oss/esd combinations and all failed |
| 23:17.50 | KotCzarny | possible ways are gstreamer and alsa |
| 23:17.53 | KotCzarny | trying alsa now |
| 23:18.54 | endso | So you are attempting to get the device to record then...hm...alsa ..there is a good chance that will work better than esd...it is known to be a bit flaky on the n8x0 |
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| 23:19.13 | endso | esd that is |
| 23:19.21 | endso | being flaky |
| 23:19.32 | KotCzarny | pity they left the oss emulation layer out of the kernel modules |
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| 23:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | use ALSA |
| 23:26.44 | KotCzarny | doc, it's n8x0 |
| 23:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? |
| 23:26.57 | KotCzarny | so things are hairy there |
| 23:27.14 | KotCzarny | pity libao doesnt support recording |
| 23:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno how they are hairy. I didn't check in depth |
| 23:27.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I'd consider PolypAudio more hairy than any ALSA |
| 23:29.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm relatively sure diablo came with ALSA like fremantle does |
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| 23:30.12 | KotCzarny | sure, but esd grabs it all for itself |
| 23:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | check if there's aplay/arecord (same binary) |
| 23:30.53 | KotCzarny | right now i'm writing c code to init alsa device |
| 23:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah sure, all sound servers are crap, esd just like PA and phonon and ... |
| 23:31.44 | KotCzarny | wouldnt mind esd if it actually worked |
| 23:31.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | get aplay c code, it is the reference implementation |
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| 23:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | when there's a aplay/arecord binary on diablo, you're better off copying stuff from there rather than writing your own |
| 23:33.19 | KotCzarny | sure, but i have to hack it into other app |
| 23:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's ok |
| 23:33.30 | KotCzarny | which isn't always 1:1 |
| 23:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, for large parts it is |
| 23:33.48 | KotCzarny | devil is in details |
| 23:34.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know about such devilish details, I serviced the ALSA part of twinklephone |
| 23:35.02 | KotCzarny | do you know if i can open single stream for record and playback? |
| 23:35.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 23:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you mean one for both? aka duplex? |
| 23:35.48 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 23:35.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, afaik not |
| 23:36.03 | KotCzarny | fun. |
| 23:36.11 | KotCzarny | double initialization again |
| 23:36.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might reuse initialization, but you need to open one down stream and one up stream |
| 23:36.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
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| 23:37.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like you could use same buffer concurrently for sending and receiving samples |
| 23:37.45 | KotCzarny | hmm, but i found this piece of code: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_access (aR, hw_params, SND_PCM_ACCESS_RW_INTERLEAVED); |
| 23:38.00 | KotCzarny | does it mean it can be used both ways? |
| 23:38.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I don't know the ALSA interface specs by heart |
| 23:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly yes, yet you can open it *either* for read *or* for write |
| 23:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | not for readwrite |
| 23:40.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/index.html |
| 23:41.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/globals.html etc |
| 23:42.00 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.17 | KotCzarny | second parameter is something in the way of "hw:0,0" ? |
| 23:43.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good |
| 23:43.35 | KotCzarny | not that much, can't guess names on n8x0 |
| 23:43.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | razher use e.g plughw:0,0 |
| 23:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | aplay -l, aplay -L |
| 23:44.16 | KotCzarny | no such commands |
| 23:44.28 | KotCzarny | diablo was castrated in the usual nokia's way |
| 23:44.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a pity when there's no aplay |
| 23:44.51 | KotCzarny | gonna check diablo wheezy armel repo |
| 23:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway there's only a few possibilities for soundcards: hw:0,0 hw:0,1 hw:1,0 hw:1,1 |
| 23:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 2 as well |
| 23:46.23 | KotCzarny | sure, unless it's nokia's os |
| 23:46.35 | KotCzarny | and there will be bazillion of different names |
| 23:46.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | the rest are PCM plugins which can be found in usr/*/*/alsa/* |
| 23:46.57 | KotCzarny | [root@Nokia-N800-43-7:~]# /aplay -l |
| 23:46.57 | KotCzarny | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** |
| 23:46.57 | KotCzarny | ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:0 |
| 23:46.57 | KotCzarny | aplay: device_list:261: control open (0): No such file or directory |
| 23:47.00 | KotCzarny | [fun |
| 23:47.18 | KotCzarny | told you, nokia |
| 23:48.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/862908f551 |
| 23:48.48 | KotCzarny | luckily strace hinted /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 23:49.33 | KotCzarny | pcm.!default { |
| 23:49.33 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.34 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.34 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.34 | KotCzarny | } |
| 23:49.39 | KotCzarny | how do i use it? |
| 23:49.52 | KotCzarny | pcm.!default is the name i have to use in both cases? |
| 23:52.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | default is used when you don't give any device |
| 23:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, you also could use default explicitly, I guess |
| 23:53.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me about the ! I never understood what's the exact meaning |
| 23:56.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you'll find somewhere a pcm definition for e.g. pcm.stereo or whatever and it has sth like {rate=8000; slave default} |
| 23:56.17 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 23:56.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you probbaly will find a pcm.hw somewhere |
| 23:56.29 | KotCzarny | that's the only sane entry |
| 23:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no working diablo system here. See above pastebin for fremantle |
| 23:59.16 | KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gBS8x9F1 |
| 23:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/bffa27d2e3 |
| 23:59.16 | KotCzarny | i'm curious about the last line, how do i get oss node? |
| 23:59.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.alsa-project.org/~jfulmer/alsa-faq.html |