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05:37.52Maxdamantuswonders who decided what font point sizes should be available in the terminal application.
05:38.52Maxdamantus12 is slightly too small to read acomfortable arm's length away, 16 is way too big.
05:42.55Maxdamantus$ gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/font_size -t int 14
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06:22.11Oksanawhat's the difference between gconftool and gconftool-2 ?
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06:47.35KotCzarnyone is for g-1 and other for g-2 ?
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11:08.36veikko~repos
11:08.36infobotit has been said that repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./
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12:47.35DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ll `which gconftool`
12:47.36DocScrutinizer05lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2014-12-06 12:41 /usr/bin/gconftool -> /etc/alternatives/gconftool
12:47.38DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ll /etc/alternatives/gconftool
12:47.39DocScrutinizer05lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2014-12-06 12:41 /etc/alternatives/gconftool -> /usr/bin/gconftool-2
12:48.40DocScrutinizer05difference: number of dereferences
12:52.32DocScrutinizer05when in 58 years gnome/gtk/gconf-THREE will roll out, your scripts will still work when they use "gconftool" - unless of course when they once more break the complete UI/syntax
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13:27.00veikkodoes anyone knowwhere do I find ^-character on n900?
13:38.06keriohere, have some ^^^^^^^^^^^^
13:45.34veikko:)
13:46.41veikkomy keyboard and fn+sym don't seem to have it so is there any other way to get it other than copypaste?
13:48.13L29Ahadd it to your keyboard layout
13:51.28totalizatorveikko: I have it there http://i.imgur.com/lmio0WB.png seems like it's layout dependent
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13:56.54L29Ahhow do i wake up a n900 from the yellow hearbeat "charging" state?
14:00.44DocScrutinizer05^ is on vkbd, open that with blue+Sym
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14:05.38DocScrutinizer05it's a deadkey, either hit it twice or do ^+space
14:06.05kerioL29Ah: unlock the screen if it's on
14:06.08kerioor turn it on if it's not on
14:06.46L29Ahlol wow
14:06.54L29Ahthis time it reacted to the power button
14:07.01L29Ah:*
14:09.15L29Ahit failed to calibrate the battery again ;[
14:09.25L29Ahstuck at 2038 mAh
14:16.14DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh
14:16.46DocScrutinizer05from 2038 you will need ~4 calibration runs
14:29.10L29Ah<PROTECTED>
14:29.10L29Ah<PROTECTED>
14:29.15L29Ahi wonder what does this do
14:31.07L29Ahanyway thanks
14:42.41DocScrutinizer05I can elaborate on it, if you really wanna know
14:43.22DocScrutinizer05"timer reset" is rather self explanatory, it tickles the watchdog timer
14:44.07DocScrutinizer05"just in case" is the disabling of charging which shouldn't be needed to get repeated in the loop, it's done before loop starts
14:45.06DocScrutinizer05both are I2C commands sent to the bq24150 charger chip
14:46.09DocScrutinizer05the bq24150 has a watchdog timer that resets the chip when it expires after 15 to 32 seconds
14:46.31L29Ahwhy is bme stopped?
14:46.45L29Ahtries to get how is it different than w/o the script
14:46.50DocScrutinizer05because bme would configure the bq24150 to do charging
14:47.13L29Ahah ok
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14:48.12DocScrutinizer05so we stop bme, tell the chip to NOT charge and tickle chip's watchdog until the bq27200 gas gauge finished calibration
14:48.42DocScrutinizer05once calibration accomplished, we restart bme and thus charging
14:50.57L29Ahi wonder why did it fail to get my battery calibrated before
14:51.18L29Ahi charged it until i got the valid discharge flag enabled
14:51.21L29Ahand left it to die
14:51.31L29Ahit died in some weeks but nothing changed
14:51.43DocScrutinizer05possibly bme shut down system before calibration accomplished
14:52.51DocScrutinizer05anyway the comments and stdout echo's in that script were meant to be sufficiently expanatory. I wonder how to improve that
14:53.06L29Ahthey're fine
14:53.25L29Ahyou can improve that putting a link to the datasheet in a comment :3
14:53.35DocScrutinizer05k :-)
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15:07.35DocScrutinizer05reload please
15:12.50DocScrutinizer05L29Ah: the calibration is doing a max 1/6 adjustment per cycle iirc
15:13.08DocScrutinizer05~2038 *5/6
15:13.08infobot1698.333333333333
15:13.21DocScrutinizer05~1698 * 5/6
15:13.21infobot1415
15:13.25L29Ah~2038 * 7/6
15:13.25infobot2377.666666666667
15:13.31L29Ahi thought you meant this ;3
15:13.49DocScrutinizer05yes, it is limited both direction probably
15:14.11DocScrutinizer05for details check datasheet
15:14.31Sicelogood explanation .. but i still don't quite get the whole bq24150 & bq27200 thing ... why do we seemingly have two different chips for (i guess) the same thing? the same question is also valid for the related kernel modules ... some have blacklisted bq27x00_battery, some havent .. :(
15:14.33DocScrutinizer05possibly it even was 1/8
15:15.04DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: bq27200 is meter, bq24150 is charger
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15:16.00DocScrutinizer05and the bq27200 kernel module conflicts with BME since it opens a chan to chip exclusively
15:17.07DocScrutinizer05when bme is already started when the bq27200 module gets loaded, it prolly still works. But when you (re)start BME after module been loaded, BME segfaults or craps out in some way
15:18.07Sicelook. makes sense. since i started using the replacement bme, i can no longer use any of the i2c scripts (yours and bq27200.sh) ... and bnf doesn't really give me all the info i like
15:18.43DocScrutinizer05in KP <49(?) it was even worse, somebody hacked the complete I2C kernel driver so it ignores all locks, possibly resulting in hazardous collisions on I2C bus
15:20.19L29Ahfailed to find interesting "6" entries in the both of the datasheets
15:20.27L29Ahk
15:20.35DocScrutinizer05it should be pretty easy to relace the I2C calls in whatever scropt by cta /sys/foo/bar/bq27200/(capacity|state|whatever)
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15:21.09DocScrutinizer05L29Ah: it's a "15% change max" or similar wording
15:21.21DocScrutinizer05in bq27200 DS
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15:25.14DocScrutinizer05>>  Each new SI value is computed as follows: SINEW = (15/16)*SIOLD + (1/16)*AI<< for example
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15:29.12DocScrutinizer05here you are: >>  the LMD value is restricted to a maximum LMD learn-down during any single learning discharge of LMD/8.<<
15:30.29DocScrutinizer05so I been wrong 2 times: 1. it's only for learn-DOWN (not up, 7/6) 2. it's a fraction (LMD/8), not a percentage
15:33.05DocScrutinizer05ohmy, lemme reppst that gibberish
15:33.32DocScrutinizer05it should be pretty easy to replace the I2C calls in whatever script by `cat /sys/foo/bar/bq27200/(capacity|state|whatever)`
15:34.06DocScrutinizer05(when you use the bq27k kernel module)
15:34.39DocScrutinizer05pali's bme-replacement has a built-in mode to calibrate, iirc
15:35.24Palijust discharge battery until bme-replacement send event (to mce/dsme) to turn phone off
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15:39.59DocScrutinizer05Pali: so connecting device to charger and enabling VBoost should do the trick?
15:40.52DocScrutinizer05I gather it would stay in hostmode/vboost until shutdown, and immediately reboots due to charger attached
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15:41.09Palithere is no auto reboot
15:41.14DocScrutinizer05o.O
15:41.35Palijust shutdown when bq detect empty battery
15:41.35DocScrutinizer05you can't stop N900 from booting when VBUS 5V from charger applied
15:42.03L29Ah> EDVF=3000
15:42.14L29Ahi wonder if the device can run on 3V
15:43.16DocScrutinizer05it should
15:44.16DocScrutinizer05also note that for calibration cycle you need EDV1, not EDVF
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15:46.39DocScrutinizer05~2038 *7/8 *7/8 *7/8 *7/8
15:46.39infobot1194.63818359375
15:46.51DocScrutinizer05four cycles, toldya
15:47.13DocScrutinizer05~2038 *7/8 *7/8 *7/8
15:47.13infobot1365.30078125
15:47.25DocScrutinizer05hmmm, with a very good battery 3
15:48.57L29Ahi need to reach 5A*h :/
15:49.26L29Ahhttps://dump.bitcheese.net/files/avijeju/n900-cutie.jpeg
15:49.35DocScrutinizer05aaah
15:49.49DocScrutinizer05nice ;-D
15:50.04DocScrutinizer05yeah, learning-UP allegedly works in one cycle
15:51.03DocScrutinizer05but I wonder where's the upper limit for bq27200 LMD
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15:52.59DocScrutinizer05~0xffff * 1
15:53.27DocScrutinizer05~65535 /20
15:53.27infobot3276.75
15:53.45DocScrutinizer05bad luck, 3277mAh
15:54.22DocScrutinizer05oops sorry
15:54.52DocScrutinizer05~65535 *3.57  /20
15:54.52infobot11697.997499999999
15:55.43DocScrutinizer05LMD unit: 3.57Vh ; Divide by Rs in milliohms to convert μV to mA or μVh to mAh.
15:56.30DocScrutinizer05LMD unit: 3.57µVh ; Divide by Rs in milliohms to convert μV to mA or μVh to mAh.
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16:00.08DocScrutinizer05so even when it might be signed, it's still 32768 * 3.57 / 20 -> ~5Ah
16:03.14DocScrutinizer05(whether system can run at 3V)  TPS65950 datasheet >>2.7 V is the minimum threshold for the battery at which the device will turn OFF<<
16:03.57DocScrutinizer05http://www.google.de/search?q=tps65950+system+shutdown+voltage+threshold
16:04.41L29Ah:*
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16:06.26DocScrutinizer05this however does NOT apply for modem which will bail aut at dunno 3.3V or sth already
16:06.33DocScrutinizer05out*
16:08.15DocScrutinizer05so at end of discharge, expect to see a No-SIM icon or similar indication/note
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16:37.56ecc3gThe earphone piece on the n900 is spring contacted and not soldered, right?
16:38.54ecc3gI hope it's just reactivating/cleaning the contacts to fix the earphone on my n900...
16:39.59KotCzarnymost likely its broke
16:41.27veikkoI bought my n900 for 50 euros. Did I pay too much of it? It's flawless because it hasn't been used longer than approximately a year.
16:41.53L29Ahecc3g: yep
16:42.24KotCzarnyveikko, depends, but more important, is it of use to you?
16:42.42veikkoit's a fun toy
16:42.46KotCzarnyphone part works in any phone
16:43.01KotCzarnybut to appreciate n900 you have to be linux freak (a bit)
16:43.13veikkoI just installed debian chroot on it
16:43.40KotCzarnydo you like to listen to music?
16:44.01L29Ahpropaganda mode enabled
16:44.18KotCzarnypropaganda is one way
16:44.23KotCzarnyi gather feedback too
16:45.04L29Ahi bought mine for ~$40, still dunno if it made sense as i'm yet to switch to it from my dying android junk
16:45.33L29Ahso it just wastes my time on perfectionism :]
16:45.42ecc3gso the earphone tends to break?  how so?
16:45.44ecc3ghmm
16:45.53veikkoKotCzarny: I use it for running emacs, firefox, necroplayer, xterminal, fm radio
16:46.02ecc3gwhere can I get another n900 for $50 USD...
16:46.14veikkoI should change firefox for something lighter, maybe dillo?
16:46.19KotCzarnyveikko: would you like to try the best alternative player?
16:46.25veikkoyes sir
16:46.25ecc3gjust bought an android phone in case the n900 cant be resurrected cheaply :(
16:47.14L29Ahecc3g: https://www.avito.ru/rossiya/telefony/nokia?q=nokia+n900&s=1
16:47.24ecc3gthis android phone sucks.  I hate android... *sigh* lesser of two evils however...
16:47.25L29Ah/58 to get usd
16:47.34veikkoKotCzarny: what it is?
16:49.00KotCzarnyveikko: oscp
16:49.13veikkohow it is better
16:49.23KotCzarnyhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
16:49.27KotCzarnyall features here
16:49.38veikkois it stable?
16:50.07KotCzarnyhmm, quite a bit, some bugs are still lurking, but overall stable and i use it daily
16:52.25ecc3ghmm... i should look for a cheap defective one that has some other problem... =\
16:52.49veikkoparameter equalizer would be perfect
16:53.06KotCzarnyveikko: if you find me nice and fast algo i can add it
16:54.00ecc3gnot sure I want to import one though...hmm...
16:54.22ecc3gShould see if I can get the one my coworker has but doesn't want any more...would be nice if I could get it for a song...
16:54.41KotCzarnygrab some adroid phone and swap?
16:55.27L29Ahecc3g: why don't you buy the earpiece on ebay?
16:56.05veikkoKotCzarny: I use TAP Equalizer (LADSPA) in linux. could you use its code?
16:56.23KotCzarnyhmm, if i can rip it out, ill look into it
17:03.13DocScrutinizer05((<ecc3g> The earphone piece)) yep
17:06.35DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: it's a known "issue" that the spring contacts of earphone jack might need cleaning to make proper contact to PCB pads
17:07.59DocScrutinizer05using unvarnished carton to wipe off any oxids and dirt usually helps a lot
17:11.51esaym153what maemo used for now??
17:12.04esaym153so old, surprised to see people still in here...
17:12.19esaym153my n810 has only functioned as an alarm clock for like the last 4 years,, lol
17:12.20KotCzarnyi use my n900 continuously since 2009
17:12.34KotCzarnyesaym153: install oscp on it, it will have new life
17:14.08L29Ahesaym153: n900 users there mostly
17:14.20KotCzarnybut, n8x0 is still alive too
17:14.36esaym153googles oscp
17:14.48KotCzarnygoogle oscp player
17:25.28ecc3galas no, minimum the coworker would trade is an apple.
17:25.45ecc3g(if it was a trade...)
17:26.21KotCzarnyecc3g: those iphones 3/4 are quite cheap nowadays
17:26.32ecc3gi think he already has a 5
17:27.55KotCzarnymaybe he wants to have another for kids
17:28.02ecc3ghas no kids
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17:28.25KotCzarnymaybe he wants to have kids
17:28.26ecc3gso hence hopefully he'll give up the n900 for almost nothing...
17:29.48DocScrutinizer05((equalizer)) already exists
17:31.52DocScrutinizer05http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1475&faq=34
17:35.53KotCzarnydoc, does it work for any pulseaudio stream or only mafw ones?
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17:42.40DocScrutinizer05it's mafw aiui
17:49.01KotCzarnyso mafw/gst only
17:53.02bencohno, just mafw (excluding gst)
17:53.40bencohit replaces the stock mafw gst backend ("renderer") and adds eq support
17:54.55bencohveikko: dillo is great, but there is no JS support
17:55.37bencohand css support isnt "complete" either
17:56.41L29Ahi need an "optimized for dillo" button
17:58.39bencoh<3
17:59.26bencohhttp://www.dillo.org/css_compat/index.html
17:59.32bencohand ... that's just for css1 iirc
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18:45.43veikkobencoh: love the design. too bad that the modern web sucks
18:49.44veikkoshould probably avoid the sites anyway that dillo can't render with the old phone
18:50.12bencohhmm ...
18:50.42bencohthat means dropping support for mostly everything useful "on the go"
18:50.59bencohbut yeah, modern web sucks
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18:58.36ecc3gmodern web = "I want your clients to be a VM so I can run what I want on your computer" ...
18:59.06ecc3gdont think we'll ever see "here's the data, you can show it however you want"
18:59.28ecc3ganymore, that is
19:00.11L29Ahwell, lots of web services provide access to theirs api
19:00.25ecc3gbut you're not running it on your computer
19:00.34L29Ahrunning what?
19:00.41ecc3gcode that access their API
19:00.59L29Ahi listen music on vk.com and searching google for youtube videos, all without a browser
19:01.12ecc3git's the second server that runs that code, then sends you the stuff to run on your computer
19:01.26L29Ahwhat
19:01.58ecc3gthat's the "ideal world" these "content providers" want
19:02.04L29Ahwhat
19:02.09ecc3gso you cant pirate their media
19:03.11ecc3guse the media how they want it to be used - consume only - never shared...  That will cost you.
19:03.34L29Ahwhat?
19:04.02KotCzarnyi saw a slogan some time ago: 'own nothing, have everything'
19:04.18KotCzarny(it was for cable or something, but idea is striking)
19:04.26ecc3g... if you pay for it
19:04.35KotCzarnysure, that's the fine print
19:04.42L29Ahi just don't see the problem you're talking about
19:04.47ecc3gdevil's in the details
19:05.02KotCzarnyl29ah: closed firmware blobs is just part of it
19:05.08L29Ahpaid only once for an intangible stuff in my whole lifetime
19:05.19L29Ahshared it in torrents just after this
19:05.39L29Ahhttp://l29ah.blasux.ru/music/fav/ is up for ~6 years, no problems
19:05.51KotCzarnyyou live in a country where intelectual property isnt of such value for the sharks yet
19:06.09ecc3gheh... yeah .ru and .cn ...
19:06.21KotCzarnyin .pl it was the same 5-20 years ago
19:06.32L29Ahanyway i won't lose anything worthy
19:07.08ecc3gme, i'm in the world of lockdown.  Fortunately I care not for most of the media out there today.
19:07.11L29Aher, exceph sci-hub and libgen
19:07.45L29Ahis tor banned in .pl?
19:07.51KotCzarnynot yet
19:08.11KotCzarnyand piracy still thrives
19:08.22ecc3gtor = circumvention, has nothing to do with the ideals of the content creators/providers
19:08.26KotCzarnybut there are movements from the sharks
19:08.58KotCzarnyie. they start raiding people who pirate things for money
19:09.08ecc3gbest you can hope for is reject the media.
19:09.21ecc3gdon't want the stuff they sell.
19:09.46KotCzarnymany do want fastfood for the brain
19:10.00ecc3gyes that's very unfortunate
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19:55.00Ras_OlderAm I doing something wrong here but I just cannot figure out how to change setting values in MicroB when at about:config. I see the lines I would like to change but theres the problem: how do I modify these values? When I press for long on the value I would like to change nothing opens - or is there some trick that I'm not aware of?
19:56.17KotCzarnytry pressing enter?
19:57.19Ras_OlderWhat I'm trying to do is just to enhance the security of the browser by disabling insecure SSL/TLS methods. I also tried modifying via user.js file, rebooted n900 and checked that those values had updated to prefs.js but still the device is using those insecure methods.
19:58.46Ras_OlderKotCzarny: Thank you. I am an idiot for not trying out something so bloody obvious :D
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20:02.18KotCzarnynah, its just that about:config is kind of hack in microb
20:02.50Siceloyou also need to be aware that changes you make don't "stick" .. close the UI and they are gone
20:03.27Ras_OlderSo editing via the user.js is really the only way to modify the settings?
20:03.27DocScrutinizer05duh?
20:03.45DocScrutinizer05isn't there a "save" button somewhere?
20:04.04KotCzarnyhmm
20:04.16KotCzarnyi think setting images load to disable was a sticky there
20:04.27KotCzarnyi might be wrong tho
20:04.37Siceloi mean in about:config
20:04.43Ras_OlderCould it be that it saves those changes directly to prefs.js which gets "reset" when the daemon restarts?
20:04.51Siceloexactly
20:05.35Ras_Olderpffft should never try the easy way to do anything :D
20:06.08Sicelohttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1237403&postcount=1 ...
20:08.02Ras_OlderI'm just curious but does anyone happen to know the reason for why it resets those settings everytime it restarts?
20:08.50DocScrutinizer05dang, I thought there was a "save" button at the bottom
20:11.44DocScrutinizer05anyway I'm pretty sure my edits were sticky
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20:16.05DocScrutinizer05prolly it's similar to xchat, which doesn't write back settings until you quit it regularly
20:17.59DocScrutinizer05so either a normal closing of browser instance or a killall browserd might do
20:18.27DocScrutinizer05(no  killall -9 !)
20:19.39KotCzarnymaybe -USR ?
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20:33.32keriojust accept that maemo is unsafe
20:33.41keriowe only have until december, anyway
20:34.54Ras_OlderYes it is to quite some extent. N900 is my go to "linux" toy with which I experiment when bored.
20:35.27Ras_OlderOf course there would be those Raspberry Pis lying around but.. I like this one better :D
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21:47.17Luke-Jrkerio: what's in December?
21:51.07kerioLuke-Jr: openssl 0.9.8 EOL
22:04.14Paliand what happen after EOL?
22:04.28Paliall bugs disappear? :D
22:04.50Luke-Jrlol
22:05.07Luke-Jrthen we have to upgrade to the infamous 1.0.1 with all its regular exploits <.<
22:07.45DocScrutinizer05after End Of Life, bugs die
22:09.02DocScrutinizer05I mean, it's not like they become butterflies
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23:00.34ecc3ghmm... my n900 is eating more power when idle than usual... :(
23:00.58ecc3ghmm...
23:01.22ecc3gi wonder if this new microsd card is leaking more power than the old one...
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23:24.59DocScrutinizer05zzztop
23:27.48DocScrutinizer05it's hardly the uSD card, rather indexer/thumbnailer going busy indexing the card's content. Particularly when something is "fishy" with the content from indexing point of view
23:31.52ecc3gcard is empty except for swap...  Reboot fixed it for now as far as I can tell, but it likely will show up again...
23:32.21ecc3gnot sure what I installed lately, because I didn't...

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