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06:39.02r00t^homepentanol: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode
07:02.02pentanolr00t^home I have value in there b_idle
07:02.52pentanoland after I do echo otg > /sys.../mode it happens well, but after cat this in /sys it cat's b_idle
07:03.01pentanoland I can't change it to host value
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07:09.15pentanolI can't install usbcontroll.install on my n900
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08:03.27Vajbdid anyone battle with not working tomtom navigator?
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08:40.54r00t^homeoh noes, i gave him the wrong google result and he didn't read the big fat warning on top
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08:58.37KotCzarnytick tock tick tock .. boom?
08:59.16L29Ahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e5KpKUgSVA
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10:44.17Sicelohaha, too much hassle with tracker KotCzarny?
10:45.52Sicelo{-0-}: you're probably the only one getting those directories indexed. are you absolutely sure that's what tracker indexed? or you perhaps have a copy of those directories in MyDocs/ somehow?
10:49.54Sicelofind the PID of `mafw-dbus-wrapper mafw-gst-renderer`
10:50.59Sicelothen play one of the sounds via the media player, and at the same time run `lsof -p PID` to see which file is actually being accessed
10:55.22KotCzarnysicelo: trackers are nice when your files have proper metadata, quite a big chunk doesn't, so one need to fallback to directory/name anyway
10:55.40KotCzarnyie. making tracker unneeded
10:57.17DocScrutinizer05alas gallery needs it, or I had killed it years ago
10:57.41Sicelonot necessarily. you still eliminate the need to browse/sort/order your directories. and yes,  it also helps a lot with pictures
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10:57.59Sicelohi DocScrutinizer05 :)
10:58.04DocScrutinizer05hi!
10:58.38KotCzarnydoc: just use any replacement
10:58.40KotCzarny:)
10:59.11DocScrutinizer05:nod: indeed a modified filemanager might serve same purpose better
10:59.13KotCzarnyi shall tidy up my oscv (pic viewer) one day and release it properly
11:00.00DocScrutinizer05anyway tracker once had a bug which defeated proper exclude(?) statements in config from working
11:00.04KotCzarnyit handles rarer file formats, animated gifs etc
11:00.18DocScrutinizer05fixed in CSSU
11:00.23DocScrutinizer05afaik
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11:00.58KotCzarnydoc, i like the android way of excluding dirs: if a directory contains file named .nomedia its skipped (and subdirs too)
11:01.08DocScrutinizer05cool
11:01.33KotCzarnywho manages trackerd ?
11:01.37DocScrutinizer05not new but cool
11:01.42DocScrutinizer05*shrug*
11:02.53DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/view/tracker/
11:03.24KotCzarnyunmaintained
11:03.33DocScrutinizer05sure. it's core
11:03.38DocScrutinizer05ask CSSU
11:09.45DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog ^F: tracker
11:10.14DocScrutinizer05>>Properly care about NoWatch list for discovered removable devices.<<
11:11.44DocScrutinizer05got cssu-t and has no particular problemns like above with tracker, anymore. In early times it was common to have IRreco buttons in gallery and all sorts of sounds in mediaplayer
11:13.26KotCzarnywouldnt it scan all /opt apps sounds?
11:15.52DocScrutinizer05I think it doesn't, and shouldn't
11:16.14DocScrutinizer05in early maemo5 it did
11:17.43DocScrutinizer05I most recently had issues when tracker kicked in during call due to recaler creating a new file, prolly I need to exclude my calls/ dir in my mp3/ folder
11:21.44APicDocScrutinizer05: Ahhh, You are herein again! Welcome back!  *Handshake*
11:22.12DocScrutinizer05tried if I can cope with it
11:22.22DocScrutinizer05so far it feels ok
11:22.54DocScrutinizer05APic: ta!
11:24.00APicTakaaa, You managed it!
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11:35.49DocScrutinizer05ever heard of devuan? your smart CSSU devels and council are about to create a cooperation with them, to keep maemo alive
11:36.48KotCzarnyis it good or bad?
11:37.04DocScrutinizer05very good, in my book
11:37.10DocScrutinizer05https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2015-06-29/?msg=43187784&page=2
11:40.42DocScrutinizer05it actually could be the incarnation of maemo as a 100% proper free distro
11:41.39DocScrutinizer05the integration point of CSSU and FSF with Devuan
11:42.44KotCzarnywould be nice to have modern libs etc
11:43.02DocScrutinizer05that wuld be in reach then
11:44.32DocScrutinizer05anyway this will be the future base aka "upstream" for maemo genuine, since debian is moving to systemd which is *not* compatible with maemo at all
11:46.04KotCzarnyto be honest, im happy with stock fremantle, but wouldnt mind the options
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11:46.39Wizzupwould be great to have newer libs
11:46.46Wizzupand updated sw
11:47.00DocScrutinizer05you can't port future debian packages to stock maemo
11:47.43DocScrutinizer05and eventually CSSU guys can't backport bugfixes from debian either. At least not without much effort
11:48.03KotCzarnyyeah, but for now it serves me well as a phone/media player/hacking console
11:48.23DocScrutinizer05sure, that's why we should try to keep it alive :-)
11:50.02DocScrutinizer05*I* realy want armel packages (cmdline at least) that simply install and work on maemo. Devuan could provide those
11:50.48DocScrutinizer05armel deb pkgs that is
11:51.08KotCzarnyyes, old armel packages work out of the box
11:51.25KotCzarnyi have grabbed a bunch in the time (ntpdate and others)
11:51.27DocScrutinizer05new ones won't, eventually
11:51.47DocScrutinizer05debian is drifting away
11:52.39DocScrutinizer05devuan explicitly is about compatibility
11:53.10DocScrutinizer05particularly now when we get a devuan900 image
11:53.25WizzupOf course, as glibc and many other packages update, you won't be able to get the newer ones anymore
11:53.39WizzupGenerally having a more up to date distro is always good
11:54.14DocScrutinizer05yeah, that needs special care. But *usually* libs should be able to coexist in different versions. not glibc maybe
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11:55.53DocScrutinizer05but unlike debian + systemd that forces in glibc (and prolly a particular version of it), devuan allows arbitrary (g)libs
11:56.42DocScrutinizer05so odds are devuan will serve maemo better than future debian
11:57.26L29AhDocScrutinizer05: sure it doesn't allow arbitrary libc
11:57.28DocScrutinizer05anyway, afk. cya
11:57.33L29Ahw/o recompiling everything
11:57.56DocScrutinizer05devuan is/has a buildjost
11:58.00DocScrutinizer05host*
11:58.02KotCzarnyl29ah: but once you have the image and compilation infra you can recompile easily
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11:59.08DocScrutinizer05thus on devuan you *can* compile devuan900 with the glibc you like. Unlike debian which manfates a certain version, due to systemd
11:59.33DocScrutinizer05madates. sorry afk now, for good
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11:59.45KotCzarnymanfate is nice new word
11:59.49KotCzarny:)
12:00.26DocScrutinizer05that happens when optical feedback completely lacks
12:00.51DocScrutinizer05thus afk until that changes
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18:00.09{-0-}Sicelo, good call! *hangs head in shame* I'd backed up /home to /media/mmc1p4 and that's where it was finding it
18:01.07{-0-}I'll tar that up and put it out of reach and try again.
18:01.54{-0-}Think I'll stick with oscp for day to day though, it fits my tune collection perfectly
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19:34.17Sicelo{-0-}: you're welcome :) and do enjoy oscp, and vote for it on the package interface
19:37.34Siceloi'd say if you permanently move to oscp, you might find it useful to tell tracker to stop indexing your music directories. might save you some precious CPU time (when building the database)
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