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| 05:56.53 | L29Ah | Nokia-N900:~# chroot /mnt/tmp/ /bin/bash |
| 05:56.53 | L29Ah | FATAL: kernel too old |
| 05:56.56 | L29Ah | this SUCKS |
| 05:57.20 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 05:57.24 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 05:57.28 | KotCzarny | its the main show stopper |
| 05:57.46 | L29Ah | i wonder if a new eglibc/uclibc can handle it |
| 05:58.07 | KotCzarny | only two ways to find out |
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| 08:33.03 | ceene | in the thread about easy debian |
| 08:33.10 | ceene | there's a explanation on how to patch glibc |
| 08:33.20 | ceene | to allow it to run on maemo's kernel |
| 08:33.40 | ceene | it's just a couple line replacements |
| 08:33.56 | ceene | i assume some things that are not supported will never work, of course, but most of the apps will run without any problem |
| 08:34.06 | ceene | only those that try to use newest syscalls will face problems |
| 08:37.02 | ceene | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1446540&postcount=3138 |
| 08:37.03 | ceene | here it is |
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| 08:39.57 | KotCzarny | nice, we can has newest glibc without upping kernel? |
| 08:40.08 | KotCzarny | why noone made a maemo package yet? |
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| 08:58.58 | kerio | KotCzarny: yeah i'm not entirely sure it will work |
| 08:59.08 | kerio | i mean, the minimum kernel requirement is probably there for a reason |
| 09:00.27 | ceene | i have it running under easy debian |
| 09:00.31 | ceene | and it seems to work |
| 09:00.52 | ceene | as i said, there may be some applications that want to run new syscalls that do not exist in our kernel |
| 09:00.57 | KotCzarny | its because some calls have changed, some have been added |
| 09:01.02 | ceene | well |
| 09:01.06 | ceene | calls never change |
| 09:01.08 | ceene | they shouldn't |
| 09:01.11 | ceene | at least at kernel level |
| 09:01.25 | ceene | that's why sometimes there are syscalls in fashion of do_something, do_something1, do_something2 |
| 09:01.30 | ceene | so it remains binary compatible |
| 09:01.40 | KotCzarny | but overall most apps use some basic pack of calls that would work even on old kernels, right? |
| 09:01.47 | ceene | but it can happen that some application wants to use some of the do_something2 that doesn't exist in our kernel |
| 09:01.51 | ceene | yes |
| 09:02.09 | KotCzarny | it would be sweet to have recent glibc |
| 09:02.13 | ceene | in fact, latest easy debian works with a patched glibc |
| 09:02.26 | ceene | and i have yet not found any application that wants to use a new syscall or whatever |
| 09:02.34 | ceene | so most of everything seems to work fine |
| 09:02.37 | ceene | and of course |
| 09:02.44 | ceene | no maemo application is going to try to use new syscalls |
| 09:02.48 | ceene | when they don't even know they exist |
| 09:02.49 | KotCzarny | because then we could simply use debian current repo |
| 09:02.59 | ceene | but glibc may try to do something on his own |
| 09:03.06 | KotCzarny | or recompile current packages |
| 09:03.15 | ceene | i mean, maybe some new syscall allows glibc to perform something like, dunno, strlen() much more faster |
| 09:03.29 | ceene | so even if maemo apps do not explicitily use new syscalls |
| 09:03.33 | ceene | glibc may want to do it regardless |
| 09:03.49 | ceene | of course strlen is not going to be an issue, but some other functions may |
| 09:03.58 | ceene | all in all, it may be worth a try |
| 09:04.45 | ceene | also, latest kernel on maemo is 2.6.28 |
| 09:04.49 | ceene | while new glibc requires 2.6.32 |
| 09:05.03 | ceene | maybe it's easy to bump maemo's kernel those 4 releases? |
| 09:07.11 | bencoh | you'd need to port the various patches |
| 09:07.28 | ceene | maybe they're not so much, i don't know |
| 09:07.37 | ceene | is it up there somewhere a git tree? |
| 09:08.29 | bencoh | there is Pali's tree |
| 09:08.53 | Pali | https://github.com/pali/linux-n900 |
| 09:08.53 | ceene | is it the one that builds kernel-power-2.6.28-10power53? |
| 09:09.03 | ceene | hi, Pali :) |
| 09:09.07 | ceene | you're always online |
| 09:09.13 | ceene | hehe |
| 09:09.22 | Pali | kernel-power do not have regular git tree |
| 09:09.33 | bencoh | kernel-power is in the repos |
| 09:09.42 | Pali | just quilt like patches on top of mainline 2.6.28 version |
| 09:09.42 | bencoh | (including sources&patches) |
| 09:09.51 | ceene | i see you got branches even for v4.0 |
| 09:09.54 | Pali | yes, kernel-power source code is in maemo-extras |
| 09:10.08 | Pali | on github are some branches for 4.x kernels too |
| 09:10.15 | L29Ah | okay uclibc sucks as well |
| 09:10.18 | L29Ah | do debian guys provide armv7a-hardfp stuff? |
| 09:10.18 | ceene | does it work? |
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| 09:12.08 | ceene | you already got a barnch for 2.6.32, that'd be enough to run a modern glibc |
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| 09:43.06 | pentanol | hi there, I got error on the nokia n900 when I want to send mms: |
| 09:43.31 | pentanol | -3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution' |
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| 10:35.20 | Vajb_ | sounds like ur internet connection is not working |
| 10:37.29 | L29Ah | wow ppl actually use the mms stuff |
| 10:38.21 | bencoh | pentanol: have you checked the fMMS TMO threads (I assume you're using fMMS) ? |
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| 10:48.55 | Vajb_ | well since yappari i haven't used fmms, but occasionally some sms sent from some phone show up as sms here. |
| 10:49.41 | bencoh | how does it work when you're on a gprs apn btw ? |
| 10:49.59 | bencoh | (does it work at all, or does fMMS disconnects/reconnects you periodically ?) |
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| 11:30.33 | Vajb_ | bencoh: i only use gprs and it works without problems. Tho i receive mms rarely |
| 11:32.06 | Vajb_ | or rather i keep gprs active always and occasionally connect wlan on side to be able to move stuff from laptop. |
| 11:34.15 | pentanol | fmms need internet connection for mms sends? |
| 11:36.59 | pentanol | when n900 connected to wifi fMMS say: -2, 'Name or service not known' |
| 11:37.20 | pentanol | there no way send mms from gsm? |
| 11:39.38 | APic\splat | An MMS is only a SMS with a Link to a remotely stored huge Message, i think. |
| 11:39.46 | APic\splat | Or something like that. |
| 11:40.06 | APic\splat | So MMS is not only GSM, but also GPRS to access the Internet-Site. |
| 11:41.25 | pentanol | on n900 I can send mms only with fMMS or other apps? |
| 11:42.00 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 11:42.12 | KotCzarny | mms is almost always send via internet connection |
| 11:42.37 | KotCzarny | some providers setup separate access names for mms traffic tho |
| 11:42.42 | KotCzarny | s/send/sent/ |
| 11:43.18 | KotCzarny | and for the link, some providers make life easier for people who do not want to use their cellulars to open data |
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| 11:45.02 | zGrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.45 | frals | you need access to the providers mmsc to send mms, which is usually over some kind of internet connection |
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| 11:46.15 | bencoh | s/internet/network/ |
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| 11:52.17 | pentanol | zGrr moin moin |
| 11:53.30 | APic\splat | Hi ho. |
| 11:54.08 | L29Ah | oh it was you hacking my sms thing |
| 11:54.10 | L29Ah | ! |
| 11:54.44 | KotCzarny | hacking? its wide open |
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| 13:33.19 | DeusIX | Hello. I just got N900 today and since it's used, I'd like to know what state is it in. |
| 13:33.49 | zGrr | Congratulations |
| 13:34.45 | DeusIX | thanks :D |
| 13:34.52 | bencoh | welcome aboard :) |
| 13:42.15 | bencoh | DeusIX: you could play with it / test the main (hw) functions (phone, vibration, screen, lockswitch, full keyboard, camera, usb), flash it, and retry |
| 13:42.34 | bencoh | (there are more, but ... you'll see) |
| 13:42.53 | DeusIX | it doesn't seem top save changes like wallpaper |
| 13:43.21 | bencoh | if it's true, that's a software issue, I wouldnt mind about it |
| 13:43.26 | bencoh | until you reflash |
| 13:45.34 | Sicelo | hi. would anyone (using Activesync) know what hash algo is used for the email password in gconf |
| 13:45.35 | DeusIX | perhaps I should, but I don't want to brick it |
| 13:46.03 | bencoh | DeusIX: you'll want to flash it soon or later to start fresh |
| 13:48.14 | kerio | Sicelo: it's not a hash |
| 13:49.53 | kerio | DeusIX: you could flash_eraseall all your MTDs |
| 13:49.57 | kerio | and it would be but a minor setback |
| 13:50.05 | kerio | as long as you can figure out what the hw revision and the bluetooth mac address are supposed to be |
| 13:50.14 | bencoh | ? |
| 13:50.54 | kerio | that is, if your usb port is still working |
| 13:53.28 | DeusIX | usb works. i took a picture and i can see it on my computer, but not on the n900 |
| 13:53.32 | Sicelo | kerio: what is it? :-) how can i get the real password from it? |
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| 13:54.04 | kerio | DeusIX: the n900 usb port is very prone to breaking :( |
| 13:54.40 | DeusIX | about product gives me Nokia N900 <unknown> Version <unknown> |
| 13:55.25 | bencoh | unknown ? |
| 13:55.34 | Sicelo | fix the usb, and flash :) quickest way out of your dilemma. i had that <unknown> thing too |
| 13:55.36 | bencoh | in Settings->About Product ? |
| 13:55.54 | DeusIX | bencoh: yes |
| 13:56.01 | Sicelo | known problem |
| 13:57.49 | Sicelo | docscrutinizer could explain the cause, but a flash fixed mine |
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| 14:00.05 | Sicelo | something related to communication between maemo & cal ... possibly can be fixed other ways, but likely not straightforward |
| 14:01.35 | kerio | is it really |
| 14:01.46 | kerio | i thought it was just a missing mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 14:02.04 | Sicelo | let me find the convo |
| 14:06.40 | Sicelo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-11-27.log.html#t2011-11-27T00:31:51 |
| 14:12.04 | DeusIX | on boot it says: no initfs \o/ |
| 14:12.34 | DeusIX | ok, so this fashing thing. how does it work and what precautions are there? |
| 14:12.34 | bencoh | ~flashing |
| 14:12.37 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
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| 15:28.31 | Vajb_ | hmm wait, if it says no initfs on boot isn't it in r&d mode |
| 15:29.08 | kerio | it is |
| 15:29.47 | Vajb_ | so could that be the cause of unknown version? |
| 15:31.46 | L29Ah | a compiler just hanged again :[ |
| 15:31.56 | L29Ah | i guess i need to get the voltage up for 900MHz mode |
| 15:32.29 | L29Ah | ~overclocking |
| 15:32.30 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 15:32.51 | bencoh | :D |
| 15:32.51 | L29Ah | infobot: you have no balls! |
| 15:32.56 | bencoh | infobot: <3 |
| 15:32.56 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, <3 is love |
| 15:37.39 | L29Ah | hmm, is it possible to combine the smartreflex thing with manual overvolting? |
| 15:38.50 | bencoh | overvolting ? |
| 15:39.02 | bencoh | you dont specify voltage with smartreflex |
| 15:39.40 | L29Ah | i was said there that smartreflex won't increase voltage for >800MHz or so |
| 15:40.31 | Vajb_ | i heard that it doesn't work stable over that |
| 15:40.33 | sixwheeledbeast | I thought it was not recommended to use SR for >800Mhz ? |
| 15:40.39 | sixwheeledbeast | ding |
| 15:40.54 | Vajb_ | maybe it was 850... |
| 15:41.06 | sixwheeledbeast | ~sr |
| 15:41.06 | infobot | [SmartReflex] >>Again, TI and we [Nokia] couldn't fix SmartReflex - we say memory corruption in front of our own eyes with that enabled, so we had to ship that disabled.<< |
| 15:41.12 | L29Ah | okay, i'll just step down for now |
| 15:41.14 | sixwheeledbeast | hm |
| 15:41.16 | sixwheeledbeast | ~kp |
| 15:41.17 | infobot | it has been said that kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94287 |
| 15:41.47 | bencoh | L29Ah: just use it with ondemand at max 800 and you'll be fine :) |
| 15:42.01 | bencoh | (or 850, whatever :) |
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| 16:07.32 | L29Ah | okay it hanged again in the same place on 850; removed the aggressive garbage collecting bullshit from CFLAGS; worked; returning to 900 |
| 16:07.49 | L29Ah | oh, no, didn't work (: |
| 16:11.11 | L29Ah | oh, no, it worked |
| 16:11.51 | L29Ah | i guess i need to postpone all this bullshit until i get a decent building farm |
| 16:12.54 | bencoh | ? |
| 16:12.58 | bencoh | oh, that |
| 16:13.00 | bencoh | meh |
| 16:14.51 | APic\splat | oK. |
| 16:14.55 | APic\splat | s/oK/Ok/ |
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| 16:54.31 | DeusIX | so to flash i run this "flash-it-all" on my ubuntu while N900 is connected to the usb? |
| 16:56.08 | DeusIX | should the N900 be on mass-media-mode or off or what? |
| 17:02.42 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 17:02.42 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 17:04.25 | DeusIX | Vajb_: what's r&d mode? |
| 17:06.52 | APic\splat | A Mode for the People who cannot install ârootshâ or something. |
| 17:14.01 | sixwheeledbeast | ~rd |
| 17:14.06 | sixwheeledbeast | ~rdmode |
| 17:14.13 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm there is a wiki |
| 17:16.20 | sixwheeledbeast | DeusIX: http://wiki.maemo.org/R%2526D_mode |
| 17:16.52 | sixwheeledbeast | needs double escaping on URL |
| 17:19.16 | APic\splat | Escaping > 9* |
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| 17:32.57 | DeusIX | well flash-it-all started downloading something |
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| 17:47.02 | DeusIX | yay. It still works. |
| 17:47.20 | DeusIX | and is no longer unknown, but maemo 5 |
| 17:48.25 | APic\splat | B-) |
| 17:48.56 | Sicelo | :) |
| 17:49.37 | APic\splat | B-) |
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| 18:10.06 | Vajb_ | btw does anyone use that blacklisting thing for phone calls? |
| 18:10.06 | Vajb_ | salesman have been bugging me that much this week that i started to think of blocking all calls which aren't in my phonebook |
| 18:21.10 | KotCzarny | i do |
| 18:21.34 | KotCzarny | apparently it works, though its quirky |
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| 18:32.33 | ecc3g | callerx is kind of clunky... |
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| 18:57.08 | sixwheeledbeast | callerx WFM |
| 18:57.29 | sixwheeledbeast | Vajb_: ^^ |
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| 19:11.58 | Vajb_ | wfm? |
| 19:12.09 | sixwheeledbeast | ~wfm |
| 19:12.09 | infobot | wfm is, like, (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications.. Works For Me |
| 19:12.18 | sixwheeledbeast | the latter :) |
| 19:14.14 | Vajb_ | :) |
| 19:14.24 | Vajb_ | no performance issues? |
| 19:15.37 | APic\splat | There is no Thing without Performance-Issues. |
| 19:17.46 | Vajb_ | ok. Let me rephrase myself. Will i notice slow down of device or longer delay for caller pefore my phone rings? |
| 19:18.18 | Vajb_ | well i don't notice latter but my gf might |
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| 19:25.34 | sixwheeledbeast | It's well, I suppose, clunky or quirky I suppose you could say. But works none the less. |
| 19:27.02 | sixwheeledbeast | Maybe slight delay in ringing, on occasion a one ring/missed call note before being blocked. |
| 19:27.37 | sixwheeledbeast | but much better than the alternative pycallblocker IMO. |
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| 19:27.52 | Vajb_ | k. Think i will give it a try |
| 19:27.56 | Vajb_ | thx |
| 19:29.39 | sixwheeledbeast | Vajb_: np, BTW it's maintainer hasn't been about for a while but feel free to report issues in it's thread on TMO. |
| 19:32.40 | sixwheeledbeast | oh and also feel free to vote on the package as it's in extras-testing IIRC |
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| 19:35.40 | Vajb_ | hmm i guess one needs account for voting |
| 19:36.39 | sixwheeledbeast | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75013. oh and I just checked its in extras \o/ |
| 19:38.20 | APic\splat | Whoah, nice! |
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| 20:39.43 | kopple | hi, is anybody getting 403 forbidden errors ? Even google itself gives "The service you requested is restricted and not available to your browser" |
| 20:40.08 | kopple | n900, maemo |
| 20:40.53 | kopple | I can't surf to any website |
| 20:40.57 | KotCzarny | are you using some proxy? |
| 20:41.12 | kopple | not as far as I'm aware |
| 20:41.15 | KotCzarny | maybe your cellular provider restricts |
| 20:41.49 | kopple | I should give them a call, does this happen to others? |
| 20:41.58 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 20:43.04 | kopple | I recall there being some community-developped updates for maemo, I have never updated it that way. Could this give the browser some boost? |
| 20:43.28 | KotCzarny | you have definitely something fishy going on |
| 20:44.05 | KotCzarny | try wifi |
| 20:44.09 | kopple | sure |
| 20:44.15 | kopple | right away |
| 20:45.09 | kopple | wifi works, you're definitely right |
| 20:45.24 | kopple | ISP is to blame |
| 20:45.26 | KotCzarny | for starters try faking user agent |
| 20:45.51 | kopple | easily done? |
| 20:45.54 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 20:46.22 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86714 |
| 20:46.42 | KotCzarny | disclaimer: i havent tried it |
| 20:48.32 | kopple | 50MB, I may be low on memory. Is this simply a test or something to keep? |
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| 20:49.22 | kopple | if I'm not mistaken this should change the browser user agent so that automatic filtering from ISP side may be circumvented. Am I right? |
| 20:49.33 | kopple | In this case, I may be going to keep it ;) |
| 20:49.51 | KotCzarny | kopple, you might want to look for any other tool |
| 20:49.58 | KotCzarny | or maybe a way to change it manually |
| 20:50.17 | KotCzarny | maybe about:config works or in config |
| 20:51.24 | kopple | oh damn, my installation is broken. I can't confirm to any Y/n request in terminal. Gotta look for it in the app. manager |
| 20:51.50 | kopple | in case I failed will the ISP be banning me for serious reasons? |
| 20:52.10 | KotCzarny | that's up to your isp service agreement |
| 20:52.46 | kopple | well, this browser may be ancient but isn't this my business? |
| 20:53.01 | KotCzarny | depends what they sold you |
| 20:53.30 | kopple | plain internet access, no VPN or secure connection whatsoever |
| 20:54.10 | KotCzarny | if there is nothing in the paperwork, they shouldn't mangle your connectivity |
| 20:54.48 | KotCzarny | maybe they treat unknown user agents as bots, who knows |
| 20:55.35 | KotCzarny | try googling the problem, because most likely you wont be the only one (but its bound to your isp, not n900 specifically) |
| 21:00.50 | kopple | are there any good web browsers for maemo? |
| 21:01.05 | kopple | other than the built-in one |
| 21:02.10 | kopple | as you said, this seems to be a rare problem but not new either. No one I read ever fixed from the pages I found |
| 21:03.42 | Vajb_ | try opera from extras repo |
| 21:04.10 | Vajb_ | that's what i use when i need to browse |
| 21:05.40 | kopple | thanks, I'm trying. Just as always, the app. manager taking forever |
| 21:09.55 | kopple | one of the repos are giving me issues. Currently my active ones are freemantle ssu app, mr0, extras, extras-devel |
| 21:10.03 | kopple | is giving* |
| 21:10.08 | slapin | hi, all! |
| 21:10.32 | slapin | is there any mirrors of downloads.maemo.nokia.com stuff? |
| 21:13.16 | kopple | slapin, as far as I know.. nope . You're looking for software? |
| 21:16.17 | slapin | kopple: I'd like to install maemo sdks and add some packages compatible with maemo5 which are dependency but was not installed by default |
| 21:17.02 | slapin | kopple: I also looking for GPS test UI app, which allowed me to actually use GPS, as it won't start without this app |
| 21:17.32 | kopple | others could help more, I'm sorry |
| 21:18.07 | slapin | it is pity they sut these off before I finished my mirror :( |
| 21:18.11 | slapin | *shut |
| 21:18.50 | kopple | it's long gone as far as I remember |
| 21:19.46 | KotCzarny | there is one still working |
| 21:20.23 | KotCzarny | also, someone torrented it, might still be seeding |
| 21:20.57 | KotCzarny | kopple: there are few browser, fennec (old mobile firefox), tear, midori, opera |
| 21:21.05 | KotCzarny | s/browser/browsers/ |
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| 21:29.33 | kopple | KotCzarny: UserAgentTool needs CSSU to work. I know this is the wrong question, but is it a demanding task to enable them but most of all.. is it risky? I can't risk my phone right now |
| 21:30.19 | KotCzarny | kopple, backup it (see backupmenu) |
| 21:30.35 | KotCzarny | then in case of something going awry, you can simply reflash and restore backup |
| 21:31.04 | KotCzarny | as for user agent, maybe there is other tool that works |
| 21:31.26 | KotCzarny | ~useragent |
| 21:32.54 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=512567&postcount=6 |
| 21:32.56 | KotCzarny | maybe this one |
| 21:33.51 | kopple | gosh, I need empty space to back up onto which I don't have. Unless.. backing up the system doesn't give a very large image |
| 21:34.01 | kopple | will look into your last suggestion, thanks |
| 22:11.46 | bencoh | kopple: (isp/403) I had this issue as well with a phone service provider |
| 22:12.38 | kopple | bencoh: thanks, how did you cope? |
| 22:14.21 | bencoh | ssh or changing the user-agent |
| 22:14.38 | kopple | ssh to a proxy? |
| 22:15.12 | bencoh | ssh -D to my serve |
| 22:15.13 | bencoh | server* |
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| 22:15.33 | kopple | oh ok, I don't have a server |
| 22:16.02 | KotCzarny | do you have decent connection at home? |
| 22:16.19 | kopple | I won't say no because I want to know what you suggest :) |
| 22:16.31 | KotCzarny | at least 1mbit uplink |
| 22:16.43 | KotCzarny | and 1mbit or more downlink |
| 22:17.40 | kopple | 20Kb/s, almost 1Mb download speed though. But anyway, this info could be useful anyway. |
| 22:17.43 | KotCzarny | then you buy one of those little openwrt router boxes, setup sshd on them and simply open tunnel to the home |
| 22:18.35 | bencoh | you might to check if ssh actually works first |
| 22:18.38 | KotCzarny | too slow i think, change user agent |
| 22:19.00 | KotCzarny | yeah, external ip is a must too |
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| 22:19.06 | KotCzarny | (at home) |
| 22:19.32 | kopple | KotCzarny: I do have external IP, thanks. BTW user-agent won't help, using Hide User Agent I still get the 403 |
| 22:19.53 | kopple | I want to learn more about the sshd |
| 22:20.00 | KotCzarny | did you hide the ua or changed it into firefox or some android one? |
| 22:20.53 | kopple | I set a non-sense one, I don't get a "hide" feature |
| 22:21.14 | bencoh | I'd a real one |
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| 22:21.44 | bencoh | like the one android or iOS use |
| 22:23.00 | kopple | it's meant to be the entire user agent, isn't it? I should type "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8A293 Safari/6531.22.7" for example? |
| 22:24.05 | bencoh | I think there is an applet for that in maemo |
| 22:24.05 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 22:24.13 | bencoh | with predefined user-agents |
| 22:25.20 | kopple | can I enter something like "nothing better to read?" at the end? Lol |
| 22:25.53 | kopple | bencoh, it should be useragenttool but it doesn't work unless you have CSSU updates, which I don't. Thanks |
| 22:26.28 | bencoh | oh .. okay |
| 22:27.37 | kopple | I have just typed all that stuff, will try now |
| 22:27.58 | kopple | still 403 :( |
| 22:28.09 | kopple | maybe it's the program which isn't working? |
| 22:28.18 | KotCzarny | actually, wonder if you have to restart anything |
| 22:28.39 | KotCzarny | pity you cant easily check |
| 22:28.42 | KotCzarny | ahm, you can |
| 22:28.45 | KotCzarny | on wifi |
| 22:28.54 | KotCzarny | go to some site and make sure its actually used |
| 22:29.01 | kopple | I did restart the browser, I'm going to check out with a website I own if I can see a different UserAgent within logs with wifi |
| 22:29.42 | kopple | or maybe there's some website that prints your user agent..? |
| 22:30.16 | kopple | you won't believe it... www.whatsmyuseragent.com :D |
| 22:30.38 | KotCzarny | there is more than one |
| 22:30.53 | KotCzarny | keyword positioning etc |
| 22:30.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:30.59 | kopple | I guess so, that domain is for the dumb like me XD |
| 22:31.08 | KotCzarny | and for google |
| 22:31.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:31.27 | kopple | that's true :) |
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| 22:31.47 | kopple | they usually go on a pair, if it's actual English |
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| 22:34.42 | kopple | side-by-side. That's what I meant. And... the User Agent is... exactly the one I set! |
| 22:34.52 | kopple | the iPhone 4 user agent |
| 22:35.05 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 22:35.14 | kopple | I'm going to give logs some poetry now |
| 22:35.14 | KotCzarny | maybe there is another reason you get 403 |
| 22:36.05 | kopple | and what could that be? It is given by the ISP, now we can be sure |
| 22:36.10 | KotCzarny | out of curiosity, switch to cellular data and check what ip address you get from ping google.com |
| 22:37.51 | kopple | ok, hold on |
| 22:38.21 | bencoh | hmm right |
| 22:38.46 | kopple | you think it's DNS? |
| 22:39.19 | KotCzarny | maybe they capture traffic because of some captive portal or unpaid service |
| 22:39.21 | bencoh | could be |
| 22:39.47 | KotCzarny | and while at it, on cellular, check if ping 8.8.8.8 gets through |
| 22:39.52 | kopple | 216.58.211.78 |
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| 22:40.50 | KotCzarny | also, try https://google.com |
| 22:40.57 | kopple | it seems it isn't connecting anymore |
| 22:41.08 | bencoh | 216.58.211.78 is google alright |
| 22:41.43 | kopple | bencoh may it be cache? I got a ping error since I wasn't root yet, then I realized I wasn't connected either |
| 22:42.37 | bencoh | could be dnsmasq |
| 22:44.22 | kopple | I'm trying rebooting |
| 22:44.52 | kopple | now my User Agent has some personality btw |
| 22:45.52 | bencoh | personality ? |
| 22:46.25 | kopple | yes ! A message to the log reader |
| 22:46.39 | kopple | still rebooting |
| 22:46.43 | bencoh | :) |
| 22:48.27 | kopple | KotCzarny: it seems I can't ping 8.8.8.8, or anything at all |
| 22:49.47 | kopple | https://www.google.com is looping, loading nothing |
| 22:50.33 | kopple | while I can use the mail client |
| 22:50.51 | KotCzarny | so they blocked you regardles of ua, maybe they offer internet access to selected services |
| 22:51.11 | KotCzarny | call them maybe and check? |
| 22:51.22 | kopple | absolutely |
| 22:51.43 | KotCzarny | you can try setting sshd on fake email server port at home |
| 22:52.17 | KotCzarny | but first call them and make sure what internet service is included in your plan |
| 22:52.44 | kopple | right away, now I have a UA to show off. |
| 22:52.45 | kopple | Is sshd different from ssh? I have never used that either unfortunately. I could consider that |
| 22:53.08 | KotCzarny | sshd is the server, ssh is the client |
| 22:54.45 | KotCzarny | to setup ssh tunnel, you run ssh server at home (or something) + some http proxy (squid or something) then run ssh client on n900 with tunneling enabled, ie. ssh -L 80:127.0.0.1:8123 (or whatever port is squid listening to) |
| 22:55.27 | KotCzarny | but watch out to only allow squid to respond to localhost connections, otherwise you will make big security hole |
| 22:55.28 | kopple | oh god, something evil happened with my phone now :D It keeps sending out numbers with the tone keyboad during calls |
| 22:55.29 | DeusIX | I wonder whether my 7110's charger is compatible with N900 |
| 22:55.38 | kopple | KotCzarny: thanks |
| 22:56.21 | bencoh | kopple: tinyproxy |
| 22:56.32 | bencoh | it's a small mem footprint proxy |
| 22:56.48 | bencoh | and it has socks support for upstream |
| 22:57.44 | bencoh | (ssh -D acts as a proxy server which tunnels tcp connection through the ssh session) |
| 22:58.23 | kopple | socks support for upstream, what does it mean? |
| 22:59.33 | kopple | bencoh ssh -D is the command I'd need to launch? Also, as a dynamic IP owner should I use some sort of dynamic DNS in order to access my proxy at home via ssh? |
| 22:59.39 | bencoh | tinyproxy is an http proxy, but it can use a SOCKS server to proxify the outbound connections |
| 22:59.41 | kerio | KotCzarny: the default bind address for -L is localhost |
| 22:59.48 | kerio | thankfully |
| 23:03.57 | KotCzarny | kerio, but still, proxy should be configured too |
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| 23:05.12 | kopple | tomorrow morning I'll call them and ask |
| 23:05.15 | chopix^ | hello guys |
| 23:05.19 | chopix^ | i deleted a file |
| 23:05.26 | chopix^ | is there a package like photorec |
| 23:05.28 | kopple | they apparently sleep at night |
| 23:05.30 | chopix^ | ^^ |
| 23:06.26 | kopple | chopix: looked at this ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43345 |
| 23:06.52 | chopix^ | i have a n9 |
| 23:06.57 | chopix^ | non a n900 |
| 23:07.00 | chopix^ | and im desperate^^ |
| 23:07.04 | chopix^ | ill try that btw |
| 23:07.22 | kopple | nobody is perfect |
| 23:07.50 | chopix^ | how can i access the pkg |
| 23:07.55 | chopix^ | directly? |
| 23:08.24 | kopple | there should be a .deb in that page |
| 23:08.39 | kopple | mm no, it's just a library .deb |
| 23:08.42 | chopix^ | its a librarty |
| 23:08.57 | kopple | I don't know exactly, maybe others can |
| 23:09.00 | kopple | help |
| 23:09.40 | chopix^ | found it |
| 23:10.06 | chopix^ | lets see if it instals! |
| 23:10.34 | kopple | but, maybe you're way more tech-savvy than I am, make sure to not write onto that same filesystem your file was in |
| 23:11.27 | chopix^ | ^^ |
| 23:12.52 | chopix^ | some errors but it installs^^ |
| 23:13.08 | kopple | good luck |
| 23:14.09 | chopix^ | doesnt work |
| 23:14.10 | chopix^ | hmm |
| 23:14.34 | chopix^ | unable to detect disk |
| 23:14.40 | chopix^ | i guess stupid epic aegisfs |
| 23:15.39 | kopple | if only it had been on your SD.. |
| 23:15.49 | chopix^ | detected |
| 23:16.01 | kopple | \m/ |
| 23:25.55 | kopple | chopix, how is it going? |
| 23:26.03 | chopix^ | im creating a screen |
| 23:26.11 | chopix^ | also its not clear which partition i have to scan |
| 23:26.45 | kopple | I'm just curious, unlikely to be of much help |
| 23:31.25 | chopix^ | since its a .db |
| 23:31.33 | chopix^ | i selected just that in the options |
| 23:31.58 | chopix^ | its running |
| 23:32.21 | kopple | again good luck |
| 23:33.08 | chopix^ | this bshit nokia suite bkp |
| 23:33.45 | kopple | is it what caused your file's deletion? |
| 23:34.14 | chopix^ | no |
| 23:34.30 | chopix^ | but it surely would have helped if it backuped the whole fucking /home/user^^ |
| 23:34.59 | chopix^ | k so first partition found 0 |
| 23:35.12 | kopple | agreed :D |
| 23:36.18 | chopix^ | 2nd partition |
| 23:37.20 | chopix^ | seems no problem with aegis though |
| 23:37.33 | chopix^ | since im running it from inside so photorec see things decrypted |
| 23:37.44 | kopple | I don't know what aegis is |
| 23:37.51 | chopix^ | bshit inside n9 :D |
| 23:38.01 | chopix^ | any whorth successor of the n900 around ??!?!? |
| 23:38.10 | kopple | indeed, none |
| 23:38.59 | kopple | well, actually neo900 is |
| 23:39.09 | chopix^ | is it out? |
| 23:40.08 | kopple | mm.. was is going to be? It's a project as far as I know, you can purchase it on demand |
| 23:40.41 | kopple | chopix here it's late at night, I should be leaving shortly |
| 23:41.29 | chopix^ | gn8 kopple and thanks :D |
| 23:41.43 | Oksana | Is it safe to delete /var/lib/apt/lists/*.* files? Because I get annoying "Encountered a section with no Package: header" error all the time. |
| 23:41.45 | kopple | welcome ;) |
| 23:41.46 | chopix^ | ah ma sei ita tra l'altro :D |
| 23:41.53 | kopple | oh sì |
| 23:42.23 | kopple | così sono davvero l'ultimo ita con un n900 :( |
| 23:42.39 | chopix^ | :D |
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